The authority of the formal LDS organization was removed when Moroni lost his trumpet upon the SLC Temple

[PPS]

The authority of the formal LDS organization was removed when Moroni lost his trumpet upon the SLC Temple. This was a formalization of a work undertaken by God, a proclamation of what is apparent.

That is not to say that the Doctrine, properly understood, is not still a Foundation used by God for His purposes, as He meted it out with the understanding the Church would fall. The root doctrine of the LDS church is as a building block and compass for the Future of Zion, in the right hands.

As we are to Ascend, we should realize that the works in the world are mere types and shadows of the ethereal glory of the workings of the kingdom to come and the things thereof, lest we worship an idol of cold stone and lose our remembrance of the spirit. The Church remains... somewhere ahead.

What we are prone to neglect in our forgetfulness is that God speaks to the Church today through the words of old, and that when He does so He speaks to the entire Church, not an individual one, for the glory of the Lord is not limited by man. He speaks too to the Church to Come.

[simpleton]

The authority of the formal LDS organization was removed when Moroni lost his trumpet upon the SLC Temple. This was a formalization of a work undertaken by God, a proclamation of what is apparent.

That is not to say that the Doctrine, properly understood, is not still a Foundation used by God for His purposes, as He meted it out with the understanding the Church would fall. (Into a state of apostacy,
but not into oblivion. The Church most definitely is/will be set back in order, that is the agenda.) The root doctrine of the LDS church is as a building block and compass for the Future of Zion, in the right hands.

As we are to Ascend, we should realize that the works in the world are mere types and shadows of the ethereal glory of the workings of the kingdom to come and the things thereof, lest we worship an idol of cold stone and lose our remembrance of the spirit. The Church remains... somewhere ahead.

What we are prone to neglect in our forgetfulness is that God speaks to the Church today through the words of old, and that when He does so He speaks to the entire Church, not an individual one, for the glory of the Lord is not limited by man. He speaks too to the Church to Come.

[PPS]

When God spoke to the Church "collectively and not individually" 200 years ago, it was as if He spoke today, for He knew what would come. The LDS church has rejected God's prophets and boasted in hubris of its fallen nature, and cannot be redeemed. Just as Joseph was told to join none of them, so has the Prophet of today abandoned the church of the unholy vipers who have made their choice to reside in contamination and not repent - therefore the entire building shall be washed away clean.

When you read "the Church", think not of the bureaucracy which has no new revelation but is but a depository for the works of old and milk for babes, lest ye reject the New and fall away.

Put plainly, the LDS church is contaminated with demonism and cold spirits, and Jesus would have no party with them and their glorious pride. Those who would look down upon the Lord, he does not linger to look upon, lest He be seen to approve of their abominations against the Children of God.

Therefore when you read "the Church", realize God is transcendental and speaks to you in the Now of the Church of Christ, wherever and with whomever it may be, not in a bombastic singular organization or a Temple of stone.

[PPS]

Put plainly, those old and haughty 'lords' would kill any prophet among them before he learned to walk, with their errant rules and desire to order others, and they certainly have no interest in sharing their wealth to support new revelation, let alone build Zion. After all, they are presidents of a corporation who dare to call themselves Prophets. They have little understanding, and very little Charity. Matthew 25.

It is just as with Joseph in the well. Et tu, Brute?

[PPS]

Men who cling to the law and forbid little children to speak other than what they are commanded are pharisees. They have no respect for the Spirit or the Innocent, only wishing to force others to do what is useful to themselves. With the Law they kill the Soul, with their avarice they destroy love, with their negligence they defame Christ, with their hubris they crucify children, naming themselves children of Abraham who can do no wrong, testing the Lord claiming they could jump off a mountain and be unharmed because "God would not permit MY church to go astray." And if Christ were here today they would tell Him to sit down and shut up. Actually, they'd let him rot in a gutter as they hoard tithings for no purpose, doing nothing to support Him because they love only their gold.

[cab]

Interesting times indeed.

[PPS]

"Here's a dove, now sit down and worship me."

Christ does not take kindly to his Church being made into Mammon's bordello.

[PPS]

Spiritually speaking, you may consider the LDS church a proxy baptism for the dead. There can be no palm tree from an olive branch, they are separate. Joseph established a type of constructs to come - the Spirit is far more advanced than that, and indeed Moses would not be Moses if he did not wander into the desert and return as something MORE than Egypt.

No prophet who seeks the comfort of the true light will reside under the thumb of pharaoh who lacks authority. God grants authority, not men.

The True Church will never come from within or under the leadership of the false.

What you may not understand is that God established his voice to the Church. Read the old texts. He took care to spell it out so that it was not misunderstood. He did not speak to LDS church in the particular on the things of import. He spoke to the Church, "not individually but collectively". He spoke of Higher things. Only men would seek to make them mundane, men of the world who seek Caesar's house of cards.

All the patterns speak to these things.

Fear not for the Church of God. When the temple crumbles, it is born anew and better, Spirit rather than the idol of the body.

[Robin Hood]

Welcome to the forum PPS.
How's Mr Snuffer these days?

[franklinbluth]

The authority of the formal LDS organization was removed when Moroni lost his trumpet upon the SLC Temple. This was a formalization of a work undertaken by God, a proclamation of what is apparent.

That is not to say that the Doctrine, properly understood, is not still a Foundation used by God for His purposes, as He meted it out with the understanding the Church would fall. The root doctrine of the LDS church is as a building block and compass for the Future of Zion, in the right hands.

As we are to Ascend, we should realize that the works in the world are mere types and shadows of the ethereal glory of the workings of the kingdom to come and the things thereof, lest we worship an idol of cold stone and lose our remembrance of the spirit. The Church remains... somewhere ahead.

What we are prone to neglect in our forgetfulness is that God speaks to the Church today through the words of old, and that when He does so He speaks to the entire Church, not an individual one, for the glory of the Lord is not limited by man. He speaks too to the Church to Come.

I remember when the D&C said that our priesthood came from a trumpet. Solid doctrine in this thread!

[PPS]

Sarcasm and scorn? I did not even notice. No matter.

Trumpet is a symbol of authority. Perhaps if they were not negligent, God would not have blown it down. Alas, they were warned.

Recall the fate of scoffers. They are repugnant to the Lord, as so are liars and other carnal snakes.

Here are some good works to consider, and remember what the Spirit of the Church is, which it is clear the 'leadership' of the LDS fallen church will continue to refuse to come back to, their hearts having hardened against the Lord:

https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/stu ... 2?lang=eng

~Epistles of Jerome

For consideration, merely.

Let go of your Antichrist!

[JSmith]

Welcome to the forum PPS.
How's Mr Snuffer these days?

My thoughts exactly.

Give it a few days and this new poster will start putting up claims to their own revelatory authority.

[Luke]

It was lost long before that. The trumpet drop was a sign of that fact though, I believe.

[markharr]

Who is the new prophet?

God always has at least one prophet during times where the gospel exists on the earth.

We were told the priesthood would not be removed again meaning there must be a prophet. God would send the new prophet to proclaim that the old ones are apostate.

[Luke]

PPS, what are your thoughts on Celestial Plural Marriage?

[Luke]

God always has at least one prophet during times where the gospel exists on the earth.

Is this necessarily true though? Brigham said to the Saints that "you are now without a prophet in your midst"

There are prophets on the earth. I just don't believe this idea of "THE prophet" or that they are always "visible" to the people (i.e. everyone knows who they are etc)

[markharr]

God always has at least one prophet during times where the gospel exists on the earth.

Is this necessarily true though? Brigham said to the Saints that "you are now without a prophet in your midst"

There are prophets on the earth. I just don't believe this idea of "THE prophet" or that they are always "visible" to the people (i.e. everyone knows who they are etc)

I believe it is true. There would be a Jeremiah and a Lehi.

I am willing to listen and pray for personal revelation on whether they are a true prophet but I have to have a name to pray about

[markharr]

The claim being made is that authority or keys have been revoked.

That authority comes from the Lord so it could only be revoked by the Lord

Someone is claiming to speak for the Lord for the entire world.

Who is that person?

[Robin Hood]

God always has at least one prophet during times where the gospel exists on the earth.

Is this necessarily true though? Brigham said to the Saints that "you are now without a prophet in your midst"

There are prophets on the earth. I just don't believe this idea of "THE prophet" or that they are always "visible" to the people (i.e. everyone knows who they are etc)

Do you have a reference for that quote from Brigham?

[InfoWarrior82]

1. Which president of the church was the last one to write down a literal revelation from Christ?

2. Why was he the last one?

I believe this happening was the "last straw".

Without actual revelation to the church, it is a boat without a rudder.

[Luke]

Do you have a reference for that quote from Brigham?

"For the first time in my life, for the first time in your lives, for the first time in the kingdom of God in the 19th century, without a Prophet at our head, do I step forth to act in my calling in connection with the Quorum of the Twelve, as Apostles of Jesus Christ unto this generation—Apostles whom God has called by revelation through the Prophet Joseph, who are ordained and anointed to bear off the keys of the kingdom of God in all the world. This people have hitherto walked by sight and not by faith. You have had the Prophet in your midst. Do you all understand? You have walked by sight and without much pleading to the Lord to know whether things were right or not. Heretofore you have had a Prophet as the mouth of the Lord to speak to you, but he has sealed his testimony with his blood, and now, for the first time, are you called to walk by faith, not by sight. The first position I take in behalf of the Twelve and the people is, to ask a few questions. I ask the Latter-day Saints: do you, as individuals, at this time, want to choose a Prophet or a guardian? Inasmuch as our Prophet and Patriarch are taken from our midst, do you want some one to guard, to guide and lead you through this world into the kingdom of God, or not? All that want some person to be a guardian or a Prophet, a spokesman or something else, signify it by raising the right hand. (No votes)." (Brigham Young, DHC 7:232, 8 August 1844)

"You are now without a prophet present with you in the flesh to guide you; but you are not without apostles, who hold the keys of power to seal on earth that which shall be sealed in heaven, and to preside over all the affairs of the church in all the world; being still under the direction of the same God, and being dictated by the same spirit, having the same manifestations of the Holy Ghost to dictate all the affairs of the church in all the world, to build the kingdom upon the foundation that the prophet Joseph has laid, who still holds the keys of this last dispensation, and will hold them to all eternity, as a king and priest unto the most high God, ministering in heaven, on earth, or among the spirits of the departed dead, as seemeth good to him who sent him. Let no man presume for a moment that his place will be filled by another; for, remember he stands in his own place, and always will; and the twelve apostles of this dispensation stand in their own place and always will, both in time and in eternity, to minister, preside and regulate the affairs of the whole church." (Brigham Young, August 1844, T&S 5:618, 15 August 1844)

[Luke]

The claim being made is that authority or keys have been revoked.

That authority comes from the Lord so it could only be revoked by the Lord

Someone is claiming to speak for the Lord for the entire world.

Who is that person?

Joseph Smith:

• D&C 121
  34 Behold, there are many called, but few are chosen. And why are they not chosen?
  35 Because their hearts are set so much upon the things of this world, and aspire to the honors of men, that they do not learn this one lesson--
  36 That the rights of the priesthood are inseparably connected with the powers of heaven, and that the powers of heaven cannot be controlled nor handled only upon the principles of righteousness.
  37 That they may be conferred upon us, it is true; but when we undertake to cover our sins, or to gratify our pride, our vain ambition, or to exercise control or dominion or compulsion upon the souls of the children of men, in any degree of unrighteousness, behold, the heavens withdraw themselves; the Spirit of the Lord is grieved; and when it is withdrawn, Amen to the priesthood or the authority of that man.

Brigham Young:

• "Let this Church which is called the kingdom of God on the earth; we will sommons the first presidency, the twelve, the high counsel, the Bishoprick, and all the elders of Israel, suppose we summons them to appear here, and here declare that it is right to mingle our seed, with the black race of Cain, that they shall come in with with us and be partakers with us of all the blessings God has given to us. On that very day, and hour we should do so, the priesthood is taken from this Church and kingdom and God leaves us to our fate. The moment we consent to mingle with the seed of Cain the Church must go to destruction,—we should receive the curse which has been placed upon the seed of Cain, and never more be numbered with the children of Adam who are heirs to the priesthood until that curse be removed." (Manuscript Addresses of Brigham Young, 5 February 1852)

[markharr]

For those of you who keep throwing out accusations that Russell M Nelson is a false prophet

I do not take such things lightly. My relationship to the church is a very personal thing. Like my relationship with my wife. If someone on the street walks up to me and accuses my wife of infidelity, they better have some pretty solid proof. If not, they may find themselves waking up face down on the sidewalk with a splitting headache. PROOF, not rumor, not speculation, Proof.

If you are accusing the prophet of being a false prophet at minimum you need to provide the name of the new prophet who has received all of the keys and authority of that calling. This is required so that I can pray for inspiration from the Lord on whether they are legitimate and whether I sustain them.

The Lord would not revoke keys and authority without sending a prophet to do so. This is not the same as the great apostasy where those with keys and authority died off or were murdered. These men are still alive and you are accusing them of being false.


If you cannot provide the above, your claims will continue to be dismissed as murmuring.

[dreamtheater76]

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Welcome to the forum PPS.
How's Mr Snuffer these days?

A Snuffer follower huh!?
Good ol Snuffy!

[Robin Hood]

For those of you who keep throwing out accusations that Russell M Nelson is a false prophet

I do not take such things lightly. My relationship to the church is a very personal thing. Like my relationship with my wife. If someone on the street walks up to me and accuses my wife of infidelity, they better have some pretty solid proof. If not, they may find themselves waking up face down on the sidewalk with a splitting headache. PROOF, not rumor, not speculation, Proof.

If you are accusing the prophet of being a false prophet at minimum you need to provide the name of the new prophet who has received all of the keys and authority of that calling. This is required so that I can pray for inspiration from the Lord on whether they are legitimate and whether I sustain them.

The Lord would not revoke keys and authority without sending a prophet to do so. This is not the same as the great apostasy where those with keys and authority died off or were murdered. These men are still alive and you are accusing them of being false.


If you cannot provide the above, your claims will continue to be dismissed as murmuring.

Given that Joseph Smith said that a prophet is only a prophet when acting as such, if RMN is the genuine prophet, seer and revelator, please give an example of a prophecy, of his seership, and of a revelation he has produced.