C.S. Lewis' forgotten prophecy

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CS Lewis is best known as the author of the Chronicles of Narnia, but I have been interested to reread some of his predictions about the human race recently. He foresaw transhumanism (melding humans with machines etc) decades before it became widely known. He wrote about this partly in his essay "the Abolition of Man". He also wrote about it in his novel "That Hideous Strength" whose title is taken from an old Scottish poem about the Tower of Babel by David Lyndsay.

Like many people, I read the Chronicles of Narnia when I was younger. C.S. Lewis' Space Trilogy is not so well known, but I read that too. It's been about thirty years since I last looked at it, and I always found the third part "That Hideous Strength" a bit dry after the visits to Mars and Venus. By happenchance I came across the books again this summer in a free library. I was too young for That Hideous Strength back in the day... and it may not be Lewis' best novel, but some of the material in it is a little too prophetic for comfort.

The main villains in "That Hideous Strength" are "The N.I.C.E.", whose name stands for "the National Institute of Co-Ordinated Experiments". They sell themselves as "“the first-fruits of that constructive fusion between the state and the laboratory on which so many people base their hopes of a better world” Anyone who opposes them is called an "obstructionist". The NICE pretends to use science to fix society, much like the World Economic Forum and WHO do nowadays:
"The real thing is that this time we’re going to get science applied to social problems and backed by the whole force of the state, just as war has been backed by the whole force of the state in the past. One hopes, of course, that it’ll find out more than the old free-lance science did; but what’s certain is that it can do more"
As the Italian professor says in the book:
"This Institute... it is for something better than housing and vaccinations and faster trains and curing the people of cancer. It is for the conquest of death: or for the conquest of organic life, if you prefer. They are the same thing."
This may sound bizarre, but it is exactly what some billionaires are attempting right now. To cheat death by having their minds uploaded to computers. It is debatable whether what is uploaded will really be them...

One of the scientists becomes a literal head of the Institute, all head and no heart, as part of their sick experiments. He had wished to become immortal, but instead had been taken over by the things Lewis calls Macrobes. The N.I.C.E. think the Macrobes are superior beings, but are in fact invisible demons who are using the scientists for their own ends. The N.I.C.E. says it wants a "new man... free from Nature" and that "Nature is the ladder we have climbed up by, now we kick her away." In fact, what they want is a humanity removed from nature and God, because humans are made in God's image, and their aim is to deface that image. The N.I.C.E. hate old buildings and villages calling them "abuses and anachronisms". They dam rivers, flood villages, and flatten history. They cut down trees and replace them with aluminium ones, because they're "cleaner."

What I find interesting is that the N.I.C.E. think the "educated" are less of a threat than the uneducated. (Romans 1.22). All too true in my experience. Universities can condition people as much as developing them. As the N.I.C.E. say:
“Why you fool, it's the educated reader who CAN be gulled. All our difficulty comes with the others. When did you meet a workman who believes the papers? He takes it for granted that they're all propaganda and skips the leading articles. He buys his paper for the football results and the little paragraphs about girls falling out of windows and corpses found in Mayfair flats. He is our problem. We have to recondition him. But the educated public, the people who read the high-brow weeklies, don't need reconditioning. They're all right already. They'll believe anything.”
The N.I.C.E. also want population reduction: "The day for a large population has passed. It has served its function by acting as a kind of cocoon for Technocratic and Objective Man." And when one of the N.I.C.E. breaks rank and says they are not practicing true science, he is accused of being "the wrong sort of scientist."

It is very reminiscent of the Great Reset idea that the World Economic Forum and Klaus Schwab are pushing for. Right down to the fact that they do things behind the public's back.
“Science must be given a free hand to take over the human race… if not.. we’re done... Man has got to take charge of man… which means some men have got to take charge of the rest”
The N.I.C.E. also play one of the exact same trick as the World Economic Forum does. Major new media is deliberately polarised into "right" and "left" news, even though it is often owned by the same people, and is notable in playing up some issues and ignoring others. So much so that some people will immediately discount something if it comes out of the "wrong" news source:
"Isn’t it absolutely essential to keep a fierce Left and a fierce Right, both on their toes and each terrified of the other? That’s how we get things done. Any opposition to the N.I.C.E. is represented as a Left racket in the Right papers and a Right racket in the Left papers. If it’s properly done, you get each side outbidding the other in support of us—to refute the enemy slanders. Of course we’re non-political. The real power always is."
While "That Hideous Strength" is dated in some senses, and the characters speak in that kind of posh English one never hears anymore... it seems to have been right on the money in some regards. Science in itself is not opposition to God. Nor are machines. But they can bear the inheritance of the evil people who use them and create them. We can do amazing and great things with science, but often end up doing the opposite due to our lack of wisdom. (1 Cor 1.20)

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Excellent post.
C S Lewis was a uniquely inspired man. He taught many precepts of the restored gospel and, as you have pointed out, had great insight into the future.
In life he was dubbed "the apostle to the English", but in death his extensive works have been recognised for what they are and have universal appeal.

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Robin Hood wrote: August 29th, 2021, 10:17 am Excellent post.
C S Lewis was a uniquely inspired man. He taught many precepts of the restored gospel and, as you have pointed out, had great insight into the future.
In life he was dubbed "the apostle to the English", but in death his extensive works have been recognised for what they are and have universal appeal.
I cut and pasted this from something elsewhere, but yes, some of the aspects of this are very spooky. It isn't my favourite novel of his by a long shot, but I'm stunned by some of the ideas in it. A lot of them weren't mainstream until the seventies and eighties onwards, and the book was written in 1945.

I think of science as a tool - tools are not bad in themselves, it just depends who's using them. A hammer can be useful for fixing something but it can also be used for hurting someone... Science is the same. If the user is ungodly or immoral, that will show in what they do.

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Niemand wrote: August 29th, 2021, 10:06 am Like many people, I read the Chronicles of Narnia when I was younger. C.S. Lewis' Space Trilogy is not so well known, but I read that too.
I am a huge fan of the Space Trilogy. It contains some very interesting theological speculation.

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Niemand wrote: August 29th, 2021, 10:06 am
Firstly, welcome to the forum!

Thank you so much for sharing what you did in the OP - really good stuff, especially the parts you highlighted.

I bought and read The Space Trilogy a couple of years ago and marvel at its (Lewis') prescience.

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EmmaLee wrote: August 29th, 2021, 11:11 am
Niemand wrote: August 29th, 2021, 10:06 am
Firstly, welcome to the forum!

Thank you so much for sharing what you did in the OP - really good stuff, especially the parts you highlighted.

I bought and read The Space Trilogy a couple of years ago and marvel at its (Lewis') prescience.

No problem - thank you! I wrote it elsewhere, but thought it was worth putting to a new audience.

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I continue to question whether he was a prophet for the right side.
“To nine out of ten of you the choice which could lead to scoundrelism (Meaning: baseness, dishonesty, double-dealing) will come, when it does come, in no very dramatic colors…. Obviously bad men, obviously threatening or bribing, will almost certainly not appear. Over a drink or a cup of coffee, disguised as a triviality and sandwiched between two jokes, from the lips of a man, or woman, whom you have recently been getting to know rather better and whom you hope to know better still–just at the moment when you are most anxious not to appear crude, or naive or a prig–the hint will come. It will be the hint of something, which is not quite in accordance with the technical rules of fair play, something that the public, the ignorant, romantic public, would never understand. Something which even the outsiders in your own profession are apt to make a fuss about, but something, says your new friend, which “we”– and at the word “we” you try not to blush for mere pleasure–something “we always do.” And you will be drawn in, if you are drawn in, not by desire for gain or ease, but simply because at that moment, when the cup was so near your lips, you cannot bear to be thrust back again into the cold outer world. It would be so terrible to see the other man’s face–that genial, confidential, delightfully sophisticated face–turn suddenly cold and contemptuous, to know that you had been tried for the Inner Ring and rejected. And then, if you are drawn in, next week it will be something a little further from the rules, and next year something further still, but all in the jolliest, friendliest spirit. It may end in a crash, a scandal, and penal servitude: it may end in millions, a peerage and giving the prizes at your old school. But you will be a scoundrel.” — C. S. Lewis. The Inner Ring (1944)

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inho wrote: August 29th, 2021, 10:45 am I am a huge fan of the Space Trilogy. It contains some very interesting theological speculation.
I agree. I'm on Perelandra now, very thought-provoking.

The Great Divorce is also excellent. About a man who takes a bus from heaven to hell who meets some interesting, Mike Sherwin-type of characters along the way.


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HisWrathSoon wrote: August 29th, 2021, 3:18 pm https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niemand
Yes, it's German for "nobody", not sure what your point is. I struggle to come up with screen names and if I called myself "nemo" which means the same thing people would think of the guy in the Jules Verne story.

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Pazooka wrote: August 29th, 2021, 1:57 pm I continue to question whether he was a prophet for the right side.
I think C.S. Lewis was a man and men are fallible, so my answer would be that he could be right and wrong depending on the circumstances. We're pretty much all that way, striving to perfection but not reaching it. I think God often speaks through the most unexpected of people.

However, I know a number of people who became or stayed Christian because of him.. I think, or I hope, he was a force for good on balance. I don't subscribe to the modern tendency of writing people off for one or two things they did wrong. Yes, we all sin, but none of us are sinless.

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Niemand wrote: August 30th, 2021, 4:26 pm
Pazooka wrote: August 29th, 2021, 1:57 pm I continue to question whether he was a prophet for the right side.
I think C.S. Lewis was a man and men are fallible, so my answer would be that he could be right and wrong depending on the circumstances. We're pretty much all that way, striving to perfection but not reaching it. I think God often speaks through the most unexpected of people.

However, I know a number of people who became or stayed Christian because of him.. I think, or I hope, he was a force for good on balance. I don't subscribe to the modern tendency of writing people off for one or two things they did wrong. Yes, we all sin, but none of us are sinless.
“Right or wrong depending on the circumstances” is a pretty good description of anyone, regardless of good or evil. The “old serpent” comes to mind.

I think he’s fascinating. He obviously studied the Christian mind...but was it with the intention to build it up or breech it?

After I heard what John Todd (supposed ex-illuminist) had to say about him and Tolkien, I can see how Lewis's words can be taken to mean something else but you’d never know it if you weren’t looking. Take that famous passage about God painfully knocking your house about to create a mansion instead of a cottage...makes you wonder.

Maybe it’s something else cleverly veiled as Christianity. You have to admit...it would be pretty funny (in a sad and ironic way) if that were true. But that’s what sorcery is for.

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I think for me and a significant number of other people he was a positive influence. There are certain aspects of his lifestory which I think ring true, like when he knelt down one night and prayed to God after years of . I think many of us have been there and needed to to take that step. I question some of the finer detail of his theology, and I don't see his work as scripture. Tolkien is more complex, but I have picked up some important messages from him - one of them is how mundane and ugly evil can be. Tolkien's view in LOTR ties in with Lewis in That Hideous Strength, that evil often despises beauty, including natural beauty.

I believe God uses broken vessels. From time to time I think he has even used me, I believe (not making any grand claims for myself!) in minor ways, but I am bitterly aware of my own faults and failings. I'm sure he has used everyone on this forum in some way.

For me, Lewis' Space Trilogy contains both right and wrong ideas... there are certain ideas in there I consider to be correct, and I think he expresses them better than I could. I think That Hideous Strength has issues as a novel (i.e. from a purely literary standpoint), and some as a Christian work - he includes Merlin (which is questionable) and has a scene which is sadistic. However, he does flag up questions about modern scientific culture that all Christians should look at. Over the last while, we have seen what should be an honorable profession - medicine - turned from something which should help and heal the body into a political (and anti-religious weapon.)

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