Why don’t you answer my questions?Arenera wrote: ↑December 6th, 2017, 6:29 pmNice quote. There are 100 Senators. 435 congressmen. 1 President. 9 Supreme Court Justices.Ezra wrote: ↑December 6th, 2017, 5:44 pmWould love Zion because it follows constitutional principles. Where people voluntarily give their earned goods to others. That is the difference between the 2 plans. Jesus and Satan’s. Satan’s plan uses force to compel people Jesus plan uses agency. Satan’s plan is socialism. And how the government is implementing force to take care of the sick needy and old is exactly what Satan’s plan was in the pre existence.Arenera wrote: ↑December 6th, 2017, 3:18 pmSo your definition of good is based on how you interpret the constitution. Less than 1% of the US population agree with your definition of the constitution.Ezra wrote: ↑December 6th, 2017, 1:37 pm You need to define what honest, wise and good means. It seems some of you call a good man traitorous.
God defines good honest wise. There seems to be a lot of confusion as to what that is even with lds members.
Romney doesn’t fit the good honest wise description for one blaring reason. He doesn’t follow the constitution or it’s principles.
God declared himself the author of the constitution and its principles are defined all over the scriptures.
You cannot be a moral person without following the principles of the constitution.
We know many are called and few chosen. The reason they are not chosen. Unrighteous dominion of their fellow men is one of the main reasons that the scriptures defines.
That happens most with our involvement in government. By our vote and support of people who progress socialist agendas.
Like Welfare. Pubic schools. Medicare Medicaid Obamacare. (Which was drafted by copying romneycare). Social security and numerous other programs in which people’s earnings are stolen from them through taxation (gun point) and distributed to others in some form or another.
That is the main form of unrighteous dominion being practiced in this country. Neighbors stealing from their neighbors through the force of government.
So good moral wise people don’t vote for Romney because he is immoral when it comes to stealing other people’s money through the force of government.
It doesn't sound like you would like Zion, where people are equal and there is no poor. There is no poor because those that have give to those that don't.
It doesn’t matter that according to you 1% agree with what constitutional principles are. God is the one who defines them to be correct. And the scriptures back it up. The real question is do you agree with god?
You will find if you study that the same morality taught in scriptures is the same morality that is in the constitution. And is why our prophets asked us to study the constitution as well as the federalist papers and scriptures to better understand those principles.
Have you done as the prophets have asked and studied the constitution as well as federalist papers and scriptures to see how they are all the same?
I ask because so far your arguments are typical of someone who has not.
Also I’m surprised you know so little of Zion to not know that it’s voluntary not forced socialism in nature.
I will add this quote.
WE WILL SPEND ETERNITY WITH THOSE WHO WILL ALLOW US NO MORE FREEDOM THAN WE ARE WILLING TO ALLOW THEM.
Over and over again, the scriptures emphasize that we will be judged according to our treatment of our fellowmen. If we are charitable, we will be placed with the sheep in the Lord’s kingdom rather than with the goats in outer darkness. (Matt. 25:31—46) If we forgive, we may be forgiven. (Matt.6:12) If we are just, we may rise in the resurrection of the Just: and dwell with them. (D&C Sec. 76) If we refrain from exercising compulsion unrighteously, our dominion in the hereafter may be everlasting and flow unto us forever and ever without compulsory means. (D&C Sec. 121) In short, we can expect to be treated in the next life as we treat others here.
The exact implementation of this law of the harvest will occur at the end of this life, when we will be divided into groups and each will be consigned to spend eternity with those with whom he is most like. An unjust person will dwell with those who will treat him unjustly; a kind, forgiving person will enjoy the companionship of kind and forgiving associates, etc. But the fact which is important to our discussion here is that each person will be with that group who will allow him to exercise no more freedom than he is willing to allow them.
If, during this life, we have been persuaded to believe that the force of government, or any other agency, should be used to deny our fellowmen the stewardship which God has given them over their families, their property, and their private affairs, we can be very certain that we will be placed with a group in the hereafter who will hold similar views. With such an attitude, we cannot expect to have stewardship or dominions of our own because we do not believe in them for others and neither will those with whom we will dwell believe in them for us. The poetic justice of God decrees that if we deprive our fellow of those unalienable rights which, according to the
Declaration of Independence, they have been endowed by their Creator, we will lose our free agency to the same extent.
H. Verlin. Anderson, “The Great and Abominable Church of the
Devil”
Those who use unrighteous dominion will be dominated by others. Those who use force of government to steal from there neighbors will have all their positions stolen for eternity.
I want agency freedoms and to be treated fairly and not have my things stolen or dictated.
What do you want?
The Senators, Congressmen and President are voted into office. I can cast 1 vote for a Senator, Congressman and President. I do vote.
The less than 1% can vote as a block, and will never elect anyone. That is their choice, their agency.
5 or 6 millions Mormons in the US, large number in Utah, Arizona, Idaho. They might be able to put 1-2 Senators, 1-5 Congressmen, 1-5 Electoral Votes for President. Not much impact there.
1% of the Mormon Votes won’t impact anything either.
Now what are you going to do?
Also your extreme negative glass is almost completely empty attitude is clouding your vision.
It’s been shown that all it really takes is a few hundred people change the laws. Calling and writing their Congressman makes a huge impact on their perspective of what the people want.
Why because no one does this.
So a few hundred motivated people can make a difference.
Ezra Taft benson said that we as a people (Mormons) could take back control of the out of control government if we educate ourself and band together.
I believe that to still be true.
Unfortunately we have to many fence sitters and people who are to lazy to get involved.
They will be held accountable for their actions.