Calling homosexuality and/or homosexual relationships "a sickness" is not "the most correct and accurate" terminology, and is the antithesis of "clarity and exactness." Every major medical and psychological organization would disagree with that label, and even LDS leadership does not use that terminology in reference to homosexuality. Again, we all have freedom of speech and you're entirely free to use whatever terms you want, but it's delusional to imagine that the words you're using are "the most accurate and correct" when no other major medical or psychological organizations view it as a sickness, and even the LDS Church itself no longer uses those terms.Serragon wrote: ↑October 31st, 2017, 3:30 pm I use the words I use because they are the most correct and accurate. They are not full of hurt. That is an attribute you have chosen to give them. I do not use the language of the homosexual proponents because they are simply propaganda meant to make you feel positively about them without actually thinking about things. I also do not use the negative terms used by many anti-homosexual people because they are propaganda meant to make you feel negatively about homosexuals without actually thinking. I try to speak with clarity and exactness so that what is being conveyed can be understood.
You do not understand what constitutes a society. Societies are not built upon what you can legally do. They are built upon what you are willing not to do. Virtue, not vice. Sacrifice, not indulgence.
A good example is language. We all can swear. We all have the legal right to do it. In the past, people tended to keep this to the private sphere out of a sense of decency and propriety. Now, you can hear the f-bomb in nearly every public square. Society has degraded as a result as I outlined above. As this language becomes more common and pervasive, the net effect is a degradation in language, communication, and decency. It changes the way people think about things, and not for the better. People become less unified and connected and the community weakens as many people are forced to leave the public sphere. For those who like to swear it seems to be glorious and wonderful, but for society as a whole it is corrupted and low.
Public homosexuality is similar. You CAN do it, but you shouldn't. You have degraded normal sexuality, marriage, and families by promoting and normalizing your perversion. It has not made society better. It has made it worse. Much as modern art has helped degrade and destroy the ideals and beauty manifested in classical art, the promotion of homosexuality as a normal alternative to the classic family will have the same effect.
You speak much of civility and kindness, but this is entirely a one way street. You have been extremely uncivil and unkind in forcing your deviant lifestyle into the public sphere. Once there, you expect everyone to pretend that this hasn't happened and speak kindly to you, using only the words you recommend in the manner you dictate.
With all due respect, I'm astonished that you would presume to judge what I do and/or don't know about what a society is and how it's defined. How strange to make such a random judgment about someone's knowledge or lack thereof based on one post on the internet, as if that's reflective of everything I do or don't know... Rational minds can understand that there are many ways to view and discuss what "society" is and how it may be defined, depending on the facets of the issues being discussed. Societies certainly can be discussed from the vantage point of what they legally allow, as well as what it's citizens are willing to do or refrain from doing. It's a false dichotomy to suggest that the concept of "society" can only be viewed from that which you proposed.
I understand that you believe that same-sex relationships are sinful and should be avoided, and I'm not interested in trying to persuade you otherwise; you're entirely free to continue to promote your views that homosexuality is sinful. I reject the assertion that I have "degraded" "normal" sexuality, marriage, or families. Just as my family isn't defined by the actions of others, others' families aren't defined (nor degraded) based on mine. And legal recognition of my family hasn't taken anything away from other families other than their previously "privileged" status over mine; all the resources available to opposite-gender couples are still entirely available to opposite-gender couples. While you may assert that the loss of your privilege has "made society worse," that's really more a matter of perspective. After all, I imagine southern plantation owners also felt that the end of slavery 'made society worse,' too. That being said, I'd be really curious to hear specific examples of how you feel homosexuality has "worsened" society. Ironic once again that you lament that modern art has "degraded" and "destroyed" the ideals and beauty in classical art, given that most of the most beautiful "Classical" art was created either by gay artists or in societies that embraced same-sex relationships.
You accuse me of speaking of civility and kindness while being "extremely uncivil and unkind in forcing [my] lifestyle into the public square" and "expecting others to pretend [that I haven't been (allegedly) extremely uncivil and unkind]."
Please provide examples where I have been "extremely uncivil and unkind." I truly want to hear specific examples, please.
Additionally, you claim I "expect everyone to...[use] only the words you recommend in the manner you dictate." Again, this is demonstrably false. In multiple posts in this very thread, I have continually acknowledged that while I agree with LDS leaders' call for more civility and respect in dialogue on these topics, we all have freedom of speech and retain full freedoms to use whatever terms we see fit. My actions in doing so are similar to the LDS Church's requests and recommendations to the media in their media guide as to the appropriate terms the media should use when referring to the LDS Church. It's hardly unusual for us to hope that people will use our own preferred terminology to refer to ourselves, just as the Church has done here:
Style Guide — The Name of the Church
The official name of the Church is The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. This full name was given by revelation from God to Joseph Smith in 1838.
While the term "Mormon Church" has long been publicly applied to the Church as a nickname, it is not an authorized title, and the Church discourages its use.
When writing about the Church, please follow these guidelines:
•In the first reference, the full name of the Church is preferred: "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints."
•Please avoid the use of "Mormon Church," "LDS Church" or the "Church of the Latter-day Saints."
•When a shortened reference is needed, the terms "the Church" or "the Church of Jesus Christ" are encouraged.
•When referring to Church members, the term "Latter-day Saints" is preferred, though "Mormons" is acceptable.
•"Mormon" is correctly used in proper names such as the Book of Mormon, Mormon Tabernacle Choir or Mormon Trail, or when used as an adjective in such expressions as "Mormon pioneers."
•The term "Mormonism" is acceptable in describing the combination of doctrine, culture and lifestyle unique to The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
•When referring to people or organizations that practice polygamy, the terms "Mormons," "Mormon fundamentalist," "Mormon dissidents," etc. are incorrect. The Associated Press Stylebook notes: "The term Mormon is not properly applied to the other … churches that resulted from the split after [Joseph] Smith's death."
Also see recommendations for using Mormon hashtags on social media channels.
http://www.mormonnewsroom.org/style-guide