Less than two months...

[Silver]

The list is not complete:
What do we have to show for it?
1. An administration full of NWO/CFR/warmongers/Gadiantons
2. A lifelong Washington insider and CFR member appointed to the Supreme Court
3. A discovery that the Marmalade prefers spastic early morning tweets instead of rational negotiations, such a contrast from the person his ghost writer described in the best-selling The Art of the Deal
4. Reneging on campaign promises like Mexico will pay for the wall and "Lock Her Up"
5. War and threats of war as far as the eye can see
6. Debt ceilings ignored and national debt skyrocketing
7. He's in love DACA Dreamers
8. Obamacare never got repealed
9. Mnuchin, the law-breaking Treasury Secretary, and Trump lied about Trump's tax reform
10. President Jared Kushner is sitting on a couple hundred million dollars from George Soros and the Trump supporters want us to pretend that the Marmalade is a conservative
11. Fight like a high school kid on Twitter. Marmalade is so mature and grown up.
12. Appoint a modern-day Gadianton to head the Federal Reserve. Trump doesn't want to end the Fed and your status as a debt slave.

There...12 things to prove that Trump is no better than Hillary.

I hope your chains don't weigh too much.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-2 ... -fed-picks

"More Of The Same" - Ron Paul Laments Trump's Fed Picks

Oct 23, 2017 9:25 PM

by Ron Paul via The Ron Paul Institute for Peace & Prosperity,

[Silver]

War criminal. Don't be one. Don't be one like The Marmalade.

http://theantimedia.org/media-pretend-b ... -criminal/

How to Get the Media to Pretend You’re Not a War Criminal
October 24, 2017 at 9:34 am
Written by Darius Shahtahmasebi

(ANTIMEDIA Op-ed) — One won’t find much mention of it in the corporate media, but in 2011 a Malaysian court found George W. Bush and Tony Blair guilty of crimes against peace, crimes against humanity, and genocide as a result of their roles in the Iraq war. According to the Telegraph, such a damning verdict meant their names were to be entered into a symbolic “Register of War Criminals.”

Shortly after the Iraq war was launched, then-U.N. Secretary-General Kofi Annan publicly admitted the invasion was illegal and a complete breach of the U.N. Charter. In the days leading up to the invasion, France, Germany, and Russia made a joint declaration stating they would not allow passage of a U.N. Security Council resolution authorizing an invasion of Iraq. In other words, the Iraq war had no legal basis.

There are only two ways a country can launch a war against another. One is in self-defense. The other is with authorization from the U.N. Neither of these requirements were satisfied, and the result of this criminal act should shock us to the core.

At the end of May, the Washington D.C.-based Physicians for Social Responsibility (PSR) released a study concluding that the death toll from the American-led “War on Terror” could be as high as two million since the years following the 9/11 attacks — and that over one million of these deaths took place within Iraq. Even if one took into account those killed by enemy forces, PSR found that despite “all the inaccuracies…the answers still allowed for the conclusion that approximately one-third of all victims of violence had been directly killed by the occupation forces.” [emphasis added]

In its totality, the Bush administration did a lot more than simply rain bombs down on an innocent civilian population in contravention of international law. As early as May 2003, the U.S. made the single largest policy blunder of the decade by deciding to completely disband Iraq’s police and military, putting close to 400,000 servicemen out of jobs. As TIME has explained, the effects of this decision alone are still affecting the world to this day:

“It’s a jarring reminder of how a key decision made long ago is complicating U.S. efforts to fight ISIS and restore some semblance of stability to Iraq. Instead of giving Iraq a fresh start with a new army, it helped create a vacuum that ISIS has filled. Anthony Zinni, a retired Marine general and chief of U.S. Central Command from 1997 to 2000, said keeping the Iraqi army intact was always part of U.S. strategy. ‘The plan was that the army would be the foundation of rebuilding the Iraqi military,’ he says. ‘Many of the Sunnis who were chased out ended up on the other side and are probably ISIS fighters and leaders now.’ One expert estimates that more than 25 of ISIS’s top 40 leaders once served in the Iraqi military.”

In summary, the Bush administration invaded a sovereign nation without a legal basis, a decision that killed over one million people (one-third of that total was caused directly by American forces) and helped fuel the rise of ISIS and extremism in general.

It is mind-boggling that George W. Bush has not only been hailed as some sort of anti-Trump warrior recently but that countries who don’t engage in this sort of behavior (think North Korea, Iran, and Syria) are universally branded as unstable risks to global security. It’s as if Bush’s illegal wars are now forgotten about by the media because he has become vocal against Donald Trump.


According to AlterNet, Benjamin Ferencz, a former chief prosecutor of the Nuremberg trials who successfully convicted 22 Nazi officers for their role in killing more than one million people once said a “prima facie case can be made that the United States is guilty of the supreme crime against humanity, that being an illegal war of aggression against a sovereign nation.”

Ferencz’s words directly referenced international legal doctrine. Specifically, it was the judgment of the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg that stated:

“[T]o initiate a war of aggression, therefore, is not only an international crime; it is the supreme international crime differing only from other war crimes in that it contains within itself the accumulated evil of the whole.”

Donald J. Trump may be one evil, twisted, and dangerous man. But if we want to send a message to him that there are limits to what one president can do, we should surely start with Bush and Obama before him, both of whom were found to have been guilty of some of the worst crimes imaginable.

As the Guardian explained:

“And he [Bush] caused far more harm to the country and planet than Trump has so far, and maybe ever will. It was under Bush that America invaded Iraq, murdered hundreds of thousands of civilians, and destabilized the Middle East so thoroughly that it may take the entire 21st century to recover.

“More than 4,000 American soldiers died. He stocked his cabinet with warmongering neoconservatives far more cunning and apocalyptic in outlook than any of the amateurs who populate Trump’s gang. These were men who dreamed of civilization-annihilating wars and found a president willing to transform their dreams into crackling reality.

“The blood on Bush’s hands will never dry. Under the guise of spreading democracy, his administration brought suffering to the world and strangled civil liberties at home.”

[skmo]

I voted for Darrell Castle so your comment about women makes no sense, brian...

I win. I always win.

Win? Win what? Your candidate received 0.15% of the vote, which is even less than a third of what that Utah whoever-he-is got, so in terms of viability you didn't win a gold sticky star for your effort. Maybe a silver (fittingly.)

What is it that you won? The right to jump up and down and say "Look at me! I senselessly wasted my vote on someone who had zero point zero zero zero percent chance of winning so I could claim a moral high ground that doesn't actually exist anywhere except in my own devious little twisted mind!"
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[Silver]

As long as American troops are in Syria under their current mission then the CIC is a war criminal. It was bad when Obama and Hillary went in. It is bad -- actually worse -- for Trump to leave US soldiers in Syria. Trump, as everyone except for his diehard supporters will remember, campaigned against such imperialistic misadventures. Selective amnesia is such a pitiful disease.

The Marmalade, surrounded as he is by the CFR and mad dog warmongers, is killing innocent brown people in the name of American people. This is a bigger tragedy than the JFK assassination. Jeff Sessions can't arrest Hillary because then he'd have to arrest his own boss, Mr. Tangerine himself.

You will find videos at the link below. The words from the article alone though should be able to convince everyone. Plain and simple truth.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-2 ... syrian-war

In Shocking, Viral Interview, Qatar Confesses Secrets Behind Syrian War

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by Tyler Durden
Oct 28, 2017 3:23 PM

A television interview of a top Qatari official confessing the truth behind the origins of the war in Syria is going viral across Arabic social media during the same week a leaked top secret NSA document was published which confirms that the armed opposition in Syria was under the direct command of foreign governments from the early years of the conflict.

And according to a well-known Syria analyst and economic adviser with close contacts in the Syrian government, the explosive interview constitutes a high level "public admission to collusion and coordination between four countries to destabilize an independent state, [including] possible support for Nusra/al-Qaeda." Importantly, "this admission will help build case for what Damascus sees as an attack on its security & sovereignty. It will form basis for compensation claims."



A 2013 London press conference: Qatari Prime Minister Sheikh Hamad bin Jassim bin Jabr Al Thani with U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry. A 2014 Hillary Clinton email confirmed Qatar as a state-sponsor of ISIS during that same time period.

As the war in Syria continues slowly winding down, it seems new source material comes out on an almost a weekly basis in the form of testimonials of top officials involved in destabilizing Syria, and even occasional leaked emails and documents which further detail covert regime change operations against the Assad government. Though much of this content serves to confirm what has already long been known by those who have never accepted the simplistic propaganda which has dominated mainstream media, details continue to fall in place, providing future historians with a clearer picture of the true nature of the war.

This process of clarity has been aided - as predicted - by the continued infighting among Gulf Cooperation Council (GCC) former allies Saudi Arabia and Qatar, with each side accusing the other of funding Islamic State and al-Qaeda terrorists (ironically, both true). Increasingly, the world watches as more dirty laundry is aired and the GCC implodes after years of nearly all the gulf monarchies funding jihadist movements in places like Syria, Iraq, and Libya.

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Since 2013 The Intercept (+WaPo?) hid NSA docs showing Saudi ordering 'rebel' attacks on Damascus. Now released. https://theintercept.com/2017/10/24/syr ... nce-assad/ …
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NSA Document Says Saudi Prince Directly Ordered Coordinated Attack By Syrian Rebels On Damascus
“Light up Damascus," the Saudi prince told Syrian rebels, as they grew increasingly reliant on foreign support.
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The top Qatari official is no less than former Prime Minister Hamad bin Jassim bin Jaber al-Thani, who oversaw Syria operations on behalf of Qatar until 2013 (also as foreign minister), and is seen below with then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in this Jan. 2010 photo (as a reminder, Qatar's 2022 World Cup Committee donated $500,000 to the Clinton Foundation in 2014).

In an interview with Qatari TV Wednesday, bin Jaber al-Thani revealed that his country, alongside Saudi Arabia, Turkey, and the United States, began shipping weapons to jihadists from the very moment events "first started" (in 2011).

Al-Thani even likened the covert operation to "hunting prey" - the prey being President Assad and his supporters - "prey" which he admits got away (as Assad is still in power; he used a Gulf Arabic dialect word, "al-sayda", which implies hunting animals or prey for sport). Though Thani denied credible allegations of support for ISIS, the former prime minister's words implied direct Gulf and US support for al-Qaeda in Syria (al-Nusra Front) from the earliest years of the war, and even said Qatar has "full documents" and records proving that the war was planned to effect regime change.

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"We argued over the prey and that prey run away".Ladies and Gentleman: To these people #Syria #Assad was nothing but a f....ing hunting game https://twitter.com/walid970721/status/ ... 8324345858 …
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According to Zero Hedge's translation, al-Thani said while acknowledging Gulf nations were arming jihadists in Syria with the approval and support of US and Turkey: "I don't want to go into details but we have full documents about us taking charge [in Syria]." He claimed that both Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah (who reigned until his death in 2015) and the United States placed Qatar in a lead role concerning covert operations to execute the proxy war.

The former prime minister's comments, while very revealing, were intended as a defense and excuse of Qatar's support for terrorism, and as a critique of the US and Saudi Arabia for essentially leaving Qatar "holding the bag" in terms of the war against Assad. Al-Thani explained that Qatar continued its financing of armed insurgents in Syria while other countries eventually wound down large-scale support, which is why he lashed out at the US and the Saudis, who initially "were with us in the same trench."

In a previous US television interview which was vastly underreported, al-Thani told Charlie Rose when asked about allegations of Qatar's support for terrorism that, "in Syria, everybody did mistakes, including your country." And said that when the war began in Syria, "all of use worked through two operation rooms: one in Jordan and one in Turkey."

Below is the key section of Wednesday's interview, translated and subtitled by @Walid970721. Zero Hedge has reviewed and confirmed the translation, however, as the original rush translator has acknowledged, al-Thani doesn't say "lady" but "prey" ["al-sayda"]- as in both Assad and Syrians were being hunted by the outside countries.


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The partial English transcript is as follows:

"When the events first started in Syria I went to Saudi Arabia and met with King Abdullah. I did that on the instructions of his highness the prince, my father. He [Abdullah] said we are behind you. You go ahead with this plan and we will coordinate but you should be in charge. I won’t get into details but we have full documents and anything that was sent [to Syria] would go to Turkey and was in coordination with the US forces and everything was distributed via the Turks and the US forces. And us and everyone else was involved, the military people. There may have been mistakes and support was given to the wrong faction... Maybe there was a relationship with Nusra, its possible but I myself don’t know about this… we were fighting over the prey ["al-sayda"] and now the prey is gone and we are still fighting... and now Bashar is still there. You [US and Saudi Arabia] were with us in the same trench... I have no objection to one changing if he finds that he was wrong, but at least inform your partner… for example leave Bashar [al-Assad] or do this or that, but the situation that has been created now will never allow any progress in the GCC [Gulf Cooperation Council], or any progress on anything if we continue to openly fight."

As is now well-known, the CIA was directly involved in leading regime change efforts in Syria with allied gulf partners, as leaked and declassified US intelligence memos confirm. The US government understood in real time that Gulf and West-supplied advanced weaponry was going to al-Qaeda and ISIS, despite official claims of arming so-called "moderate" rebels. For example, a leaked 2014 intelligence memo sent to Hillary Clinton acknowledged Qatari and Saudi support for ISIS.

The email stated in direct and unambiguous language that:

"the governments of Qatar and Saudi Arabia, which are providing clandestine financial and logistic support to ISIL and other radical Sunni groups in the region."

Furthermore, one day before Prime Minister Thani's interview, The Intercept released a new top-secret NSA document unearthed from leaked intelligence files provided by Edward Snowden which show in stunning clarity that the armed opposition in Syria was under the direct command of foreign governments from the early years of the war which has now claimed half a million lives.

The newly released NSA document confirms that a 2013 insurgent attack with advanced surface-to-surface rockets upon civilian areas of Damascus, including Damascus International Airport, was directly supplied and commanded by Saudi Arabia with full prior awareness of US intelligence. As the former Qatari prime minister now also confirms, both the Saudis and US government staffed "operations rooms" overseeing such heinous attacks during the time period of the 2013 Damascus airport attack.

No doubt there remains a massive trove of damning documentary evidence which will continue to trickle out in the coming months and years. At the very least, the continuing Qatari-Saudi diplomatic war will bear more fruit as each side builds a case against the other with charges of supporting terrorism. And as we can see from this latest Qatari TV interview, the United States itself will not be spared in this new open season of airing dirty laundry as old allies turn on each other.

[simpleton]

Here is a timeline that (imo) goes along with all of the above. But in it are a few items of what I think are of great importance that we as "Lds" skip over...

3rd Nephi 16:

And blessed are the Gentiles, (which we love to claim as being us , and it is correct) because of their belief in me, in and of the Holy Ghost, which witnesses unto them of me and of the Father.

7 Behold, because of their ( us gentiles) belief in me, saith the Father, and because of the unbelief of you, ( indians) O house of Israel, in the latter day shall the truth come unto the Gentiles, ( us gentiles) that the fulness of these things shall be made known unto them.( Joseph Smith time)

8 But wo, saith the Father, unto the unbelieving of the Gentiles- ( you could say these "unbelieving" gentiles are the ones that do not accept the truth/ gospel)for notwithstanding they ( gentiles from europe) have come forth upon the face of this land, and have scattered my people ( indians) who are of the house of Israel; and my people ( indians)who are of the house of Israel have been cast out from among them, and have been trodden under feet by them; ( and that most assuredly has happened with the American indians)

9 And because of the mercies of the Father unto the Gentiles, and also the judgments of the Father upon my people who are of the house of Israel, verily, verily, I say unto you, that after all this, and I have caused my people who are of the house of Israel to be smitten, and to be afflicted, and to be slain, and to be cast out from among them, and to become hated by them, and to become a hiss and a byword among them— ( again exactly what has happened to the lamanites/indians)

10 And thus commandeth the Father that I should say unto you: At that day when the Gentiles shall sin against my gospel, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel,( ok now here is the tricky part or rather the part that we refuse to think that it is us, as we are so lifted up in pride that we do not think that it is us LDS that Christ is referring to, but nobody else qualifies) and shall be lifted up in the pride of their hearts above all nations, ( a perfect description of us as LDS and us as a nation today)and above all the people of the whole earth, (again us) and shall be filled with all manner of lyings, and of deceits, and of mischiefs, and all manner of hypocrisy, and murders, and priestcrafts, and whoredoms, and of secret abominations; ( again Christ describes us perfectly) and if they shall do all those things, and shall reject the fulness of my gospel, ( now how can Christ be referring to "those other "unbelieving" gentiles when you have to have the fulness of the gospel to be able to reject it) behold, saith the Father, I will bring the fulness of my gospel from among them.

11 And then will I remember my covenant which I have made unto my people, O house of Israel, and I will bring my gospel unto them.

12 And I will show unto thee, O house of Israel, that the Gentiles shall not have power over you; but I will remember my covenant unto you, O house of Israel, and ye shall come unto the knowledge of the fulness of my gospel.

13 But if the Gentiles will repent and return unto me, ( ahhhhh " repent and return" , to return to something or someplace where you have already been) saith the Father, behold they shall be numbered among my people, O house of Israel.

14 And I will not suffer my people, who are of the house of Israel, to go through among them, and tread them down, saith the Father.

15 But if they will not turn unto me, and hearken unto my voice, I will suffer them, yea, I will suffer my people, O house of Israel, that they shall go through among them, and shall tread them down, and they shall be as salt that hath lost its savor, ( so we as gentiles at one time had that "Savor" but lose it) which is thenceforth good for nothing but to be cast out, and to be trodden under foot of my people, O house of Israel.

16 Verily, verily, I say unto you, thus hath the Father commanded me—that I should give unto this people this land for their inheritance.( so this land does not belong to us gentiles only if we become numbered with Isreal or the ones that Christ and/or the Father gives, or rather gave this land to )

17 And then the words of the prophet Isaiah shall be fulfilled, which say:

18 Thy watchmen shall lift up the voice; with the voice together shall they sing, for they shall see eye to eye when the Lord shall bring again Zion.

19 Break forth into joy, sing together, ye waste places of Jerusalem; for the Lord hath comforted his people, he hath redeemed Jerusalem.

20 The Lord hath made bare his holy arm ( "ARM" another reference to this servant that saves Isreal)in the eyes of all the nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of God....

And also should take this into consideration:

"The whole government is gone; it is as weak as water. I heard Joseph Smith say nearly thirty years ago, “They shall have mobbings to their hearts’ content, if they do not redress the wrongs of the Latter-day Saints.” Mobs will not decrease but will increase until the whole government becomes a mob, and eventually it will be State against State, city against city, neighborhood against neighborhood… (Brigham Young, Deseret News, Vol. 9, p. 2, May 1, 1861.

But look to this first:...

17For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear?....


23 Verily, verily, I say unto you, darkness covereth the earth, and gross darkness the minds of the people, and all flesh has become corrupt before my face.

24 Behold, vengeance cometh speedily upon the inhabitants of the earth, a day of wrath, a day of burning, a day of desolation, of weeping, of mourning, and of lamentation; and as a whirlwind it shall come upon all the face of the earth, saith the Lord.

25 And upon my house shall it begin, and from my house shall it go forth, saith the Lord;

26 First among those among you, saith the Lord, who have professed to know my name and have not known me, and have blasphemed against me in the midst of my house, saith the Lord....

"By their fruits ye shall know them"...

21Hear now this, O foolish people, and without understanding; which have eyes, and see not; which have ears, and hear not:

22Fear ye not me? saith the LORD: will ye not tremble at my presence, which have placed the sand for the bound of the sea by a perpetual decree, that it cannot pass it: and though the waves thereof toss themselves, yet can they not prevail; though they roar, yet can they not pass over it?

23But this people hath a revolting and a rebellious heart; they are revolted and gone.

24Neither say they in their heart, Let us now fear the LORD our God, that giveth rain, both the former and the latter, in his season: he reserveth unto us the appointed weeks of the harvest.

25Your iniquities have turned away these things, and your sins have withholden good things from you.

26For among my people are found wicked men: they lay wait, as he that setteth snares; they set a trap, they catch men.

27As a cage is full of birds, so are their houses full of deceit: therefore they are become great, and waxen rich.

28They are waxen fat, they shine: yea, they overpass the deeds of the wicked: they judge not the cause, the cause of the fatherless, yet they prosper; and the right of the needy do they not judge.

29Shall I not visit for these things? saith the LORD: shall not my soul be avenged on such a nation as this?

30A wonderful and horrible thing is committed in the land;

31The prophets prophesy falsely, and the priests bear rule by their means; and my people love to have it so: and what will ye do in the end thereof?.....

Actually a person could quote scripture all the day long and what good does it do? seemingly nothing, as we mostly think it applies to " them" not us....

[Durzan]

Actually we are seeing this in the church now... and it is resulting in an increasing number of people who are leaving the church.

[Silver]

The Marmalade doesn't always have to be the one who betrays America. Sometimes the Congress will do that for him.

http://news.antiwar.com/2017/11/01/hous ... -legality/

House Rules Committee Guts Challenge to Yemen War Legality
House Leadership Will Only Accept Non-Binding 'Compromise' Vote
Jason Ditz Posted on November 1, 2017

House Concurrent Resolution 81 is effectively dead, following a surprise bit of sleight of hand by the House Rules Committee. The resolution demanded an end to US involvement in the Saudi invasion of Yemen, on the grounds that such involvement was never authorized under the War Powers Act.

Under the War Powers Act, any Congressman is able to bring such a legal challenge, and is guaranteed a floor vote on the matter. The H.Con.Res. 81 challenge was offered in early October, and delayed until November 2.

November 1 rolled around, however, and House leadership quickly forced through a Rules Committee vote which changed the rules on H.Con.Res. 81, stripping it of its privileged status (which would have guaranteed a floor vote). Though the War Powers Act guarantees such a resolution privilege, the Rules Committee claimed Yemen doesn’t rise to the level of the War Powers Act applying.

One legislative aide was quick to bash the move, saying it was in “defiance of the plain text of the War Powers Resolution,” and warning that it set a “very dangerous precedent” for future challenges to illegal wars.

Instead of H.Con.Res. 81, the House leadership is going to allow an alternative “compromise” resolution on Yemen. This will allow debate on whether America’s involvement in the Yemen War is legal, but the vote will be non-binding.

Amid mounting unauthorized US wars around the world, H.Con.Res. 81 was the biggest attempt to enforce the War Powers Act to limit such conflicts. While the Rules Committee technically only stopped a single challenge this way, and the War Powers Act remains on the books, the success of this sort of chicanery means that the Congressional leadership can do the exact same thing to any future challenges.

A joint statement on the move against H.Con.Res. 81 is available here.

[Silver]

Now the first anniversary of that dark day in America when the Orange Puppet was elected by Americans long asleep at the wheel is almost upon us. What a tragedy it's turned out to be.

Today's update comes from that friendly and inviting country of Saudi Arabia where a massive restructuring of leadership is underway.

Yeah, good ol' Marmalade sells those cutthroats a bunch of expensive weapons and does the sword dance with them. Meanwhile, behind the scenes, pretty little pampered princes are dying.

Zerohedge has the news:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-0 ... -crackdown

A really great comment follows the article. It asks two simple questions. Of course, none of the Trumpsters here have the integrity to answer the questions:

Bes Nov 6, 2017 10:31 AM

now remind me which side of the saudi swamp does Trump hold orbs with?

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another way to put it is which side of wahhabism and sharia is going to Make America Great Again?

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just wondering. ps. don't forget Trump's love affair with Zionism...... : )

[justkeepswimming]

Where do you stand on Joseph Smith's decision to eliminate free press in Nauvoo? Are you willing to attach such strong words to JS as you do Trump?

Curious where you draw the line?

Are the Trumpsters happy that Trump threatens, via Twitter no less, to revoke NBC's broadcast license? Are you happy with that sort of authority being concentrated into the hands of a narcissist? If so, what happens when a new narcissist is elected and exercises that same authority in ways you don't like?

[AgaetisTakk]

This didn't age well. Looks like you need to polish up the ole tin hat.

I am still thinking there is a good chance the economy can collapse in 2 months time.
Then there is:.....Antifa Plans Nationwide Anarchy On November 4th in USA.
http://redirect.viglink.com/?format=go& ... _Riots.php

http://redirect.viglink.com/?format=go& ... n-nov-4%2F

[Silver]

Where do you stand on Joseph Smith's decision to eliminate free press in Nauvoo? Are you willing to attach such strong words to JS as you do Trump?

Curious where you draw the line?

Are the Trumpsters happy that Trump threatens, via Twitter no less, to revoke NBC's broadcast license? Are you happy with that sort of authority being concentrated into the hands of a narcissist? If so, what happens when a new narcissist is elected and exercises that same authority in ways you don't like?

I certainly will attach strong words to Joseph Smith, Jr. Words like: prophet, seer and revelator. Don't forget about mayor of Nauvoo and General of the Nauvoo Legion. He was also a presidential candidate for the election in 1844. but a mob killed him months before anyone could cast a vote for him.

Joseph did more for mankind than anyone except Jesus Christ. He did more before breakfast than most people do all day. Shame on you for putting that blessed man and Trump in the same sentence.

[justkeepswimming]

I just wanted to measure whether I thought your opinion of Trump is credible. I don't think it is now. I'm not a Trump fan and I am a huge JS fan but they both made an attempt to undermine free speech.

Where do you stand on Joseph Smith's decision to eliminate free press in Nauvoo? Are you willing to attach such strong words to JS as you do Trump?

Curious where you draw the line?

Are the Trumpsters happy that Trump threatens, via Twitter no less, to revoke NBC's broadcast license? Are you happy with that sort of authority being concentrated into the hands of a narcissist? If so, what happens when a new narcissist is elected and exercises that same authority in ways you don't like?

I certainly will attach strong words to Joseph Smith, Jr. Words like: prophet, seer and revelator. Don't forget about mayor of Nauvoo and General of the Nauvoo Legion. He was also a presidential candidate for the election in 1844. but a mob killed him months before anyone could cast a vote for him.

Joseph did more for mankind than anyone except Jesus Christ. He did more before breakfast than most people do all day. Shame on you for putting that blessed man and Trump in the same sentence.

[Silver]

I just wanted to measure whether I thought your opinion of Trump is credible. I don't think it is now. I'm not a Trump fan and I am a huge JS fan but they both made an attempt to undermine free speech.

Where do you stand on Joseph Smith's decision to eliminate free press in Nauvoo? Are you willing to attach such strong words to JS as you do Trump?

Curious where you draw the line?

Are the Trumpsters happy that Trump threatens, via Twitter no less, to revoke NBC's broadcast license? Are you happy with that sort of authority being concentrated into the hands of a narcissist? If so, what happens when a new narcissist is elected and exercises that same authority in ways you don't like?

I certainly will attach strong words to Joseph Smith, Jr. Words like: prophet, seer and revelator. Don't forget about mayor of Nauvoo and General of the Nauvoo Legion. He was also a presidential candidate for the election in 1844. but a mob killed him months before anyone could cast a vote for him.

Joseph did more for mankind than anyone except Jesus Christ. He did more before breakfast than most people do all day. Shame on you for putting that blessed man and Trump in the same sentence.

Another apostate who, having left, can't leave the church alone. Yawn.

[justkeepswimming]

ok, let me start over w/o the comparison to JS. I'm not an apostate but I was curious if you could/would look past the same behavior of someone on 'your side.'

Are you equally critical of all politicians or just the guys on the other side?

What I'm getting is summed up in this article, http://www.dailywire.com/news/22571/wat ... exit-modal

I have a hard time taking someone serious when they talk politics if they only attack the guy on the 'wrong side' but ignore (read condone) the same behavior if done by their guy.

I just wanted to measure whether I thought your opinion of Trump is credible. I don't think it is now. I'm not a Trump fan and I am a huge JS fan but they both made an attempt to undermine free speech.

Where do you stand on Joseph Smith's decision to eliminate free press in Nauvoo? Are you willing to attach such strong words to JS as you do Trump?

Curious where you draw the line?

I certainly will attach strong words to Joseph Smith, Jr. Words like: prophet, seer and revelator. Don't forget about mayor of Nauvoo and General of the Nauvoo Legion. He was also a presidential candidate for the election in 1844. but a mob killed him months before anyone could cast a vote for him.

Joseph did more for mankind than anyone except Jesus Christ. He did more before breakfast than most people do all day. Shame on you for putting that blessed man and Trump in the same sentence.

Another apostate who, having left, can't leave the church alone. Yawn.

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ok, let me start over w/o the comparison to JS. I'm not an apostate but I was curious if you could/would look past the same behavior of someone on 'your side.'

Are you equally critical of all politicians or just the guys on the other side?

What I'm getting is summed up in this article, http://www.dailywire.com/news/22571/wat ... exit-modal

I have a hard time taking someone serious when they talk politics if they only attack the guy on the 'wrong side' but ignore (read condone) the same behavior if done by their guy.

I just wanted to measure whether I thought your opinion of Trump is credible. I don't think it is now. I'm not a Trump fan and I am a huge JS fan but they both made an attempt to undermine free speech.

I certainly will attach strong words to Joseph Smith, Jr. Words like: prophet, seer and revelator. Don't forget about mayor of Nauvoo and General of the Nauvoo Legion. He was also a presidential candidate for the election in 1844. but a mob killed him months before anyone could cast a vote for him.

Joseph did more for mankind than anyone except Jesus Christ. He did more before breakfast than most people do all day. Shame on you for putting that blessed man and Trump in the same sentence.

Another apostate who, having left, can't leave the church alone. Yawn.

Then perhaps you haven't seen viewtopic.php?f=61&t=44250&p=818818#p818818
Or viewtopic.php?f=1&t=46957&p=818690#p818413

[Silver]

The Republicans, of which Trump only recently became a part, had eight long years to come up with an Obamacare replacement. Fail.
An answer to the immigration issue. Fail.
A revised tax code. Fail.

Three strikes you're out. Why do sheeple still vote for failing Republicans? Trusting them is only for the insane.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-0 ... gedaboutit

Trump's "Beautiful Tax Plan"... Fuggedaboutit!

Nov 6, 2017 5:48 PM

Via MurraySabrin.com,

Last week President Trump’s tax plan was unveiled with great fanfare by the Congressional Republican leadership. Although President Trump babbled what he claimed to be the biggest tax cut in American history, the evidence is quite to the contrary.

Former Reagan budget director David Stockman dissects the “beautiful tax plan,” concluding that it is nothing less than a big scam. Tax cuts are not targeted toward the middle class but the highest income earners in the country and corporations. That is not to say that taxes should not be cut for upper income individuals, families and businesses, but all taxes should be reduced for everyone.

Closing so-called loopholes is another egregious flaw in Trump’s tax “reform.” There are no tax “loopholes” in the tax code. There are only exemptions. deduction and credits. A loophole is term used by politicians and tax grabbers who think any individual, family or business that pays less taxes is getting away with not paying their “fair share.” “Fair taxation” is an oxymoron if there ever was one. Taxes are coerced from workers and business owners. Thus, taxation should have no place in a free society.

If the American people really want to live in a free society (and that is a big if considering who we have elected as president, legislators or governor around the country for decades) that will create the greatest prosperity for all working folks, they should agitate for the abolition of all taxes. I make the case for abolishing all taxes America in my 1995 book Tax Free 2000: The Rebirth of American Liberty.

Why should taxes be reduced substantially or abolished altogether? Reducing taxes does three things for families and businesses.

First, less money going to the taxman means that people can spend more on their families’ needs.

Second, less money going to the taxman means that people can save more for the future.

Third, less money go to the taxman means that people can increase their charitable contributions.
But the big government proponents would scream in horror… “What about the poor?” “What about the elderly and disabled?” “What about the children and education?” “What about infrastructure?” “What about our national security?” “What about all the regulatory agencies?” And on and on and on. (I explain in Tax Free 2000 how the services that people want will be funded by voluntary exchange, and how people will make choices about what social welfare services they want to support with their charitable contributions. I also discussed the transition from the current welfare-warfare state to a free society.)

For both liberals (progressives) and conservatives they cannot conceive of a free society… one in which people are in charge of their earned incomes as opposed to having to cough up anywhere from 10 to 50% of their income to the political elites that run the country who are supported by special interests and crony capitalists that put them into office.

In addition, one of the major benefits of a tax-free society would be the end of U.S. military intervention overseas. A tax-free America would end undeclared wars and bring the troops home from the hundreds of military bases around the world, ending the military industrial complex’s global empire. Substantially lower taxes or a tax-free society would end America’s welfare-warfare state once and for all, and make the United States the greatest magnet for capital, which would boost both employment and living standards considerably.

Trump’s tax plan should be deep-sixed because it does not address the fundamental issue – federal government spending. As long as the federal government spends $4 trillion a year, which keep on increasing in good and bad times, America’s welfare-warfare state will eventually lead us to national bankruptcy, because growing entitlements and global military commitments are financially unsustainable.

Trumpnomics does nothing to take us on a journey toward a freer economy. In fact, Trump’s tax plan continues the bipartisan consensus in Washington DC, namely that without the federal government spending $4 trillion a year the economy would implode. Now is the time to have the debate that former President Clinton said we should have years ago about the role of government in a free society.

I am an unabashed, unapologetic proponent of reducing both taxes and federal spending substantially, with the goal of creating a tax-free society. Where do you stand? For liberty or statism?

[justkeepswimming]

No, I hadn't seen those so I apologize! If you're pointing out members of the CFR then I get you, I promise I get you:)

So, I'm with you up to a point on your Trump opinions. He's a knucklehead, everyone knows that, but what Trump haters don't seem to get is the 'why' when they ask 'why' would somebody support him. The majority of people who voted for Trump don't love him, they really don't even like him, but they tolerate him because Trump was the only one of 19 GOP candidates who didn't tell voters how to think...Trump listened and then he had more of a dialogue with the voters than the others did. All the other candidates acted so above the voters' ideas, like the people were there to support them, not the other way around.

Of all the people I know who actually voted for Trump, they did so because nobody else was listening.

We can hate on Trump all we want but unless we allow the other side to talk and be heard in a civil dialogue then they will keep supporting him.

Then perhaps you haven't seen viewtopic.php?f=61&t=44250&p=818818#p818818
Or viewtopic.php?f=1&t=46957&p=818690#p818413

[Silver]

You unfortunately don’t get me at all. You claim “Trump listened.” I say that was the Marmalade only pretending to listen. The country needs an immigration solution. Trump guaranteed a wall paid for by Mexico. He might as well have been selling snake oil to all the hayseeds that voted for him. Desperation makes people do illogical things. The candidate Marmalade promised an immediate Obamacare repeal and the masses went wild. What he delivered is nothing like what those people he was supposed to be listening to wanted. I could go on ad nauseum but Trump supporters have clearly proven how bankrupt their politics are. They continue to defend a lying, perverted, elitist defender of wickedness such as that found in Saudi Arabia.

No, I hadn't seen those so I apologize! If you're pointing out members of the CFR then I get you, I promise I get you:)

So, I'm with you up to a point on your Trump opinions. He's a knucklehead, everyone knows that, but what Trump haters don't seem to get is the 'why' when they ask 'why' would somebody support him. The majority of people who voted for Trump don't love him, they really don't even like him, but they tolerate him because Trump was the only one of 19 GOP candidates who didn't tell voters how to think...Trump listened and then he had more of a dialogue with the voters than the others did. All the other candidates acted so above the voters' ideas, like the people were there to support them, not the other way around.

Of all the people I know who actually voted for Trump, they did so because nobody else was listening.

We can hate on Trump all we want but unless we allow the other side to talk and be heard in a civil dialogue then they will keep supporting him.

Then perhaps you haven't seen viewtopic.php?f=61&t=44250&p=818818#p818818
Or viewtopic.php?f=1&t=46957&p=818690#p818413

[Silver]

More bloody murder because Trump is part of the NWO and allowing the MIC direct him. Any support of the House of Saud will further indict the American people come judgment day. Same for the wicked cabal at the top of Israeli politics these days.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-0 ... on-lebanon

"Explosive" Leaked Secret Israeli Cable Confirms Israeli-Saudi Coordination To Provoke War

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by Tyler Durden
Nov 7, 2017 9:23 AM

Early this morning, Israeli Channel 10 news published a leaked diplomatic cable which had been sent to all Israeli ambassadors throughout the world concerning the chaotic events that unfolded over the weekend in Lebanon and Saudi Arabia, which began with Lebanese Prime Minister Saad Hariri's unexpected resignation after he was summoned to Riyadh by his Saudi-backers, and led to the Saudis announcing that Lebanon had "declared war" against the kingdom.

The classified embassy cable, written in Hebrew, constitutes the first formal evidence proving that the Saudis and Israelis are deliberately coordinating to escalate the situation in the Middle East.

The explosive classified Israeli cable reveals the following:

On Sunday, just after Lebanese PM Hariri's shocking resignation, Israel sent a cable to all of its embassies with the request that its diplomats do everything possible to ramp up diplomatic pressure against Hezbollah and Iran.
The cable urged support for Saudi Arabia's war against Iran-backed Houthis in Yemen.
The cable stressed that Iran was engaged in "regional subversion".
Israeli diplomats were urged to appeal to the "highest officials" within their host countries to attempt to expel Hezbollah from Lebanese government and politics.


Left: Israeli PM Netanyahu, Right: Saudi Prince Mohammed bin Salman

As is already well-known, the Saudi and Israeli common cause against perceived Iranian influence and expansion in places like Syria, Lebanon and Iraq of late has led the historic bitter enemies down a pragmatic path of unspoken cooperation as both seem to have placed the break up of the so-called "Shia crescent" as their primary policy goal in the region. For Israel, Hezbollah has long been its greatest foe, which Israeli leaders see as an extension of Iran's territorial presence right up against the Jewish state's northern border.

Trita Parsi ✔@tparsi
This is a EXPLOSIVE thread that proves how Saudi and Israel are deliberately coordinating to escalate the situation in the MidEast. https://twitter.com/BarakRavid/status/9 ... 1713941505 …
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The Israeli reporter who obtained the document is Barak Ravid, senior diplomatic correspondent for Channel 10 News. Ravid announced the following through Twitter yesterday:

I published on channel 10 a cable sent to Israeli diplomats asking to lobby for Saudis/Harir and against Hezbollah. The cable sent from the MFA in Jerusalem [Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs] to all Israeli embassies toes the Saudi line regarding the Hariri resignation.
The Israeli diplomats were instructed to demarch their host governments over the domestic political situation in Lebanon - a very rare move.
The cable said: "You need to stress that the Hariri resignation shows how dangerous Iran and Hezbollah are for Lebanon's security."
"Hariri's resignation proves wrong the argument that Hezbollah participation in the government stabilizes Lebanon," the cable added.
The cable instructed Israeli diplomats to support Saudi Arabia over its war with the Houthis in Yemen. The cable also stressed: "The missile launch by the Houthis towards Riyadh calls for applying more pressure on Iran & Hezbollah."
Barak Ravid ✔@BarakRavid
1 \ I published on channel 10 a cable sent to Israeli diplomats asking to lobby for Saudis\Hariri &against Hezbollah http://news.nana10.co.il/Article/?Artic ... 90&sid=126 …
2:11 PM - Nov 6, 2017

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Watch today's Hebrew broadcast Channel 10 News report which features the Israeli diplomatic cable - the text of which is featured in Channel 10's screenshot (below) - here.



Below is a rough translation of the classified Israeli embassy cable using Google Translate as released by Israel's Channel 10 News:

"To the Director-General: you are requested to urgently contact the Foreign Ministry and other relevant government officials [of your host country] and emphasize that the resignation of Al-Hariri and his comments on the reasons that led him to resign illustrate once again the destructive nature of Iran and Hezbollah and their danger to the stability of Lebanon and the countries of the region.

Al-Hariri's resignation proves that the international argument that Hezbollah's inclusion in the government is a recipe for stability is basically wrong. This artificial unity creates paralysis and the inability of local sovereign powers to make decisions that serve their national interest. It effectively turns them into hostages under physical threat and are forced to promote the interests of a foreign power - Iran - even if this may endanger the security of their country.

The events in Lebanon and the launching of a ballistic missile by the signatories to the Riyadh agreement require increased pressure on Iran and Hezbollah on a range of issues from the production of ballistic missiles to regional subversion."
Thus, as things increasingly heat up in the Middle East, it appears the anti-Iran and anti-Shia alliance of convenience between the Saudis and Israelis appears to have placed Lebanon in the cross hairs of yet another looming Israeli-Hezbollah war. And the war in Yemen will also continue to escalate - perhaps now with increasingly overt Israeli political support. According to Channel 10's commentary (translation), "In the cable, Israeli ambassadors were also asked to convey an unusual message of support for Saudi Arabia in light of the war in which it is involved in Yemen against the Iranian-backed rebels."

All of this this comes, perhaps not coincidentally, at the very moment ISIS is on the verge of complete annihilation (partly at the hands of Hezbollah), and as both Israel and Saudi Arabia have of late increasingly declared "red lines" concerning perceived Iranian influence across the region as well as broad Hezbollah acceptance and popularity within Lebanon.

What has both Israel and the Saudis worried is the fact that the Syrian war has strengthened Hezbollah, not weakened it. And now we have smoking gun internal evidence that Israel is quietly formalizing its unusual alliance with Saudi Arabia and its power-hungry and hawkish crown prince Mohammed bin Salman.

[justkeepswimming]

Don't you think this has mostly to do with Trump's naivete? He promised so much w/o ever having had to work with other branches of government. He's used to bullying bankers, architects, engineers, city leaders, etc.

You unfortunately don’t get me at all. You claim “Trump listened.” I say that was the Marmalade only pretending to listen. The country needs an immigration solution. Trump guaranteed a wall paid for by Mexico. He might as well have been selling snake oil to all the hayseeds that voted for him. Desperation makes people do illogical things. The candidate Marmalade promised an immediate Obamacare repeal and the masses went wild. What he delivered is nothing like what those people he was supposed to be listening to wanted. I could go on ad nauseum but Trump supporters have clearly proven how bankrupt their politics are. They continue to defend a lying, perverted, elitist defender of wickedness such as that found in Saudi Arabia.

[Silver]

Don't you think this has mostly to do with Trump's naivete? He promised so much w/o ever having had to work with other branches of government. He's used to bullying bankers, architects, engineers, city leaders, etc.

You unfortunately don’t get me at all. You claim “Trump listened.” I say that was the Marmalade only pretending to listen. The country needs an immigration solution. Trump guaranteed a wall paid for by Mexico. He might as well have been selling snake oil to all the hayseeds that voted for him. Desperation makes people do illogical things. The candidate Marmalade promised an immediate Obamacare repeal and the masses went wild. What he delivered is nothing like what those people he was supposed to be listening to wanted. I could go on ad nauseum but Trump supporters have clearly proven how bankrupt their politics are. They continue to defend a lying, perverted, elitist defender of wickedness such as that found in Saudi Arabia.

It is you that is naive. Don't you think that the abundance of evidence already mentioned, and, in the case of visual images, displayed, in this thread make your point laughably wrong? How do you or the Trumpsters explain away the presence of Henry Kissinger, War Criminal Extraordinaire, in the White House Oval Office at least three times since the Marmalade took office? Why must the Secretary of the Treasury be a known lawbreaker? Why so many CFR in the administration? Why so many Goldman Sachs traitors? Why Mad Dogs who want a bankrupt country to expand its empire to the point of collapse? Trumpsters have and will continue to ignore these most critical issues because it requires a paradigm shift. No man is so blind as he who will not see.

[justkeepswimming]

Do you promote a solution or just talk down to all of us in a very condescending tone? I admire your passion, truly, but my goodness...

Don't you think this has mostly to do with Trump's naivete? He promised so much w/o ever having had to work with other branches of government. He's used to bullying bankers, architects, engineers, city leaders, etc.

You unfortunately don’t get me at all. You claim “Trump listened.” I say that was the Marmalade only pretending to listen. The country needs an immigration solution. Trump guaranteed a wall paid for by Mexico. He might as well have been selling snake oil to all the hayseeds that voted for him. Desperation makes people do illogical things. The candidate Marmalade promised an immediate Obamacare repeal and the masses went wild. What he delivered is nothing like what those people he was supposed to be listening to wanted. I could go on ad nauseum but Trump supporters have clearly proven how bankrupt their politics are. They continue to defend a lying, perverted, elitist defender of wickedness such as that found in Saudi Arabia.

It is you that is naive. Don't you think that the abundance of evidence already mentioned, and, in the case of visual images, displayed, in this thread make your point laughably wrong? How do you or the Trumpsters explain away the presence of Henry Kissinger, War Criminal Extraordinaire, in the White House Oval Office at least three times since the Marmalade took office? Why must the Secretary of the Treasury be a known lawbreaker? Why so many CFR in the administration? Why so many Goldman Sachs traitors? Why Mad Dogs who want a bankrupt country to expand its empire to the point of collapse? Trumpsters have and will continue to ignore these most critical issues because it requires a paradigm shift. No man is so blind as he who will not see.

[Silver]

Do you promote a solution or just talk down to all of us in a very condescending tone? I admire your passion, truly, but my goodness...

Don't you think this has mostly to do with Trump's naivete? He promised so much w/o ever having had to work with other branches of government. He's used to bullying bankers, architects, engineers, city leaders, etc.

You unfortunately don’t get me at all. You claim “Trump listened.” I say that was the Marmalade only pretending to listen. The country needs an immigration solution. Trump guaranteed a wall paid for by Mexico. He might as well have been selling snake oil to all the hayseeds that voted for him. Desperation makes people do illogical things. The candidate Marmalade promised an immediate Obamacare repeal and the masses went wild. What he delivered is nothing like what those people he was supposed to be listening to wanted. I could go on ad nauseum but Trump supporters have clearly proven how bankrupt their politics are. They continue to defend a lying, perverted, elitist defender of wickedness such as that found in Saudi Arabia.

It is you that is naive. Don't you think that the abundance of evidence already mentioned, and, in the case of visual images, displayed, in this thread make your point laughably wrong? How do you or the Trumpsters explain away the presence of Henry Kissinger, War Criminal Extraordinaire, in the White House Oval Office at least three times since the Marmalade took office? Why must the Secretary of the Treasury be a known lawbreaker? Why so many CFR in the administration? Why so many Goldman Sachs traitors? Why Mad Dogs who want a bankrupt country to expand its empire to the point of collapse? Trumpsters have and will continue to ignore these most critical issues because it requires a paradigm shift. No man is so blind as he who will not see.

Why didn't you ask sooner? The country must repent of its support for Trump as well as for the secret combination that makes their little Orange puppet prance around. That's the solution although I'll have to give credit to Moroni for it.

As for my tone, decades of warnings from the modern prophets didn't awaken the Saints to their "awful situation." Do you really want to take umbrage with the way this little peon on a tiny little forum addresses the slumbering and the willfully ignorant? If so, remind me to tell you how to make all my posts go away through the "Manage foes" function.

[justkeepswimming]

Dang, you're intense!!

I'll just read your stuff silently w/o responding now

Do you promote a solution or just talk down to all of us in a very condescending tone? I admire your passion, truly, but my goodness...

Don't you think this has mostly to do with Trump's naivete? He promised so much w/o ever having had to work with other branches of government. He's used to bullying bankers, architects, engineers, city leaders, etc.

Why didn't you ask sooner? The country must repent of its support for Trump as well as for the secret combination that makes their little Orange puppet prance around. That's the solution although I'll have to give credit to Moroni for it.

As for my tone, decades of warnings from the modern prophets didn't awaken the Saints to their "awful situation." Do you really want to take umbrage with the way this little peon on a tiny little forum addresses the slumbering and the willfully ignorant? If so, remind me to tell you how to make all my posts go away through the "Manage foes" function.

[Silver]

Neocons, warmongers, fake liberals, fake media, and companies which make products that go boom in the night want America to continue to build its empire. They will fall and America will fail as the blind follow the Tangerine and the left protests for they know not what.

It's a sad anniversary of voting for evil.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-11-0 ... redibility

Of Red Lines & Lost Credibility

Nov 7, 2017 8:50 PM

Authored by Patrick Buchanan via Buchanan.org,

A major goal of this Asia trip, said National Security Adviser H. R. McMaster, is to rally allies to achieve the “complete, verifiable and permanent denuclearization of the Korean peninsula.”

Yet Kim Jong Un has said he will never give up his nuclear weapons.

He believes the survival of his dynastic regime depends upon them.

Hence we are headed for confrontation. Either the U.S. or North Korea backs down, as Nikita Khrushchev did in the Cuban missile crisis, or there will be war.

In this new century, U.S. leaders continue to draw red lines that threaten acts of war that the nation is unprepared to back up.

Recall President Obama’s, “Assad must go!” and the warning that any use of chemical weapons would cross his personal “red line.”

Result: After chemical weapons were used, Americans rose in united opposition to a retaliatory strike. Congress refused to authorize any attack. Obama and John Kerry were left with egg all over their faces. And the credibility of the country was commensurately damaged.

There was a time when U.S. words were taken seriously, and we heeded Theodore Roosevelt’s dictum: “Speak softly, and carry a big stick.”

After Saddam Hussein invaded Kuwait in August 1991, George H.W. Bush said simply: “This will not stand.” The world understood that if Saddam did not withdraw from Kuwait, his army would be thrown out. As it was.

But in the post-Cold War era, the rhetoric of U.S. statesmen has grown ever more blustery, even as U.S. relative power has declined. Our goal is “ending tyranny in our world,” bellowed George W. Bush in his second inaugural.

Consider Rex Tillerson’s recent trip. In Saudi Arabia, he declared, “Iranian militias that are in Iraq, now that the fight against … ISIS is coming to a close … need to go home. Any foreign fighters in Iraq need to go home.”

The next day, Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi responded:

“We wonder about the statements attributed to the American secretary of state about the popular mobilization forces. … No side has the right to intervene in Iraq’s affairs or decide what Iraqis do.”
This slap across the face comes from a regime that rules as a result of 4,500 U.S. dead, tens of thousands wounded and $1 trillion invested in the nation’s rebuilding after 15 years of war.

Earlier that day, Tillerson made a two-hour visit to Afghanistan. There he met Afghan officials in a heavily guarded bunker near Bagram Airfield. Wrote The New York Times’ Gardiner Harris:

“That top American officials must use stealth to enter these countries after more than 15 years of wars, thousands of lives lost and trillions of dollars spent was testimony to the stubborn problems still confronting the United States in both places.”
Such are the fruits of our longest wars, launched with the neo-Churchillian rhetoric of George W. Bush.

In India, Tillerson called on the government to close its embassy in North Korea. New Delhi demurred, suggesting the facility might prove useful to the Americans in negotiating with Pyongyang.

In Geneva, Tillerson asserted, “The United States wants a whole and unified Syria with no role for Bashar al-Assad … The reign of the Assad family is coming to an end.”

Well, perhaps? But our “rebels” in Syria were routed and Assad not only survived his six-year civil war but with the aid of his Russian, Iranian, Shiite militia, and Hezbollah allies, he won that war, and intends to remain and rule, whether we approve or not.

We no longer speak to the world with the assured authority with which America did from Eisenhower to Reagan and Bush 1. Our moment, if ever it existed, as the “unipolar power” the “indispensable nation” that would exercise a “benevolent global hegemony” upon mankind is over.

America needs today a recognition of the new realities we face and a rhetoric that conforms to those realities.

Since Y2K our world has changed.

Putin’s Russia has reasserted itself, rebuilt its strategic forces, confronted NATO, annexed Crimea and acted decisively in Syria, re-establishing itself as a power in the Middle East.

China, thanks to its vast trade surpluses at our expense, has grown into an economic and geostrategic rival on a scale that not even the USSR of the Cold War reached.

North Korea is now a nuclear power.

The Europeans are bedeviled by tribalism, secessionism and waves of seemingly unassimilable immigrants from the South and Middle East.

A once-vital NATO ally, Turkey, is virtually lost to the West. Our major Asian allies are dependent on exports to a China that has established a new order in the South China Sea.

In part because of our interventions, the Middle East is in turmoil, bedeviled by terrorism and breaking down along Sunni-Shiite lines.

The U.S. pre-eminence in the days of Desert Storm is history.

Yet, the architects of American decline may still be heard denouncing the “isolationists” who opposed their follies and warned what would befall the republic if it listened to them.