These same arguments can be made for incestuous relationships. And adulterous relationships. And plural marriage relationships. And Pedophiles, too, to some extent. We socially consider adults to be age 18+, but biology says otherwise. It is not unheard of for a legal adult and a non-legal but biologically ready child to want to express love for each other.TrueIntent wrote: ↑October 11th, 2017, 12:52 pmbbsion wrote: ↑October 10th, 2017, 3:58 pmI am not trying to take what you said out of context. I just wanted to address the bolded parts of your statement (not that I agree with the logic). Couldn't a similar argument be made for pedophiles and bestiality? Both of those are obviously seriously bizarre and ridiculous types of attraction. Beyond dispute, neither exist in the Celestial Kingdom. And guess what.... neither does homosexuality. You are letting your emotions cloud your judgment. Regarding those who embrace homosexuality we must forgive them for they know not what they do. Not indulge them in their sin.TrueIntent wrote: ↑October 8th, 2017, 3:51 pmIt's sad that you would make this kind of a comment. For these people, it is a real experience....and for religious gay people, it is an overwhelming experience....it is real to them...and they don't take it lightly....can you imagine...there will be people all over the church and BYU campus reacting to this young girl who showed her "face"...with these same kind of hurtful comments. To have someone be called bizarre, or not sane, for something they genuinely believe is hurtful. You don't have to approve, or accept, or even believe what she believes....but it is real to her. You will find that God loves us infinitely, all of us, and I can not believe that he would send people to this earth to have an experience in which they will be never-endingly tormented by something they believe, and that feels real to them...we should assume she is doing her best....and we should do ours. This isn't the kind of comment that fosters love of others...period. Let me repeat what it feels like you are saying...."you aren't worthy of being in God's presence..your own creator...you would be insane and ridiculous to think that you, could be like him, and partake of his glory...because you believe he created you this way" This is why...the church published this article...so you could have time to learn to love others...and communicate that love..... so that people like you dont destroy the church.Elizabeth wrote: ↑October 8th, 2017, 3:38 pm It is most disappointing that LDS Living would publish this article.
Homosexuality is a joke, it is so seriously bizarre and so past ridiculous that is incredulous that any sane person could entertain this insanity. To think that anyone who lives this lifestyle could still expect exaltation in eternities, as has been suggested here on another thread, is troubleing to say the least.
Ok...let me separate the difference. Im going to assume (maybe wrongly, but I don't think so)....but that pedophiles and people practicing beastiality do it to gratify their lusts...they don't care if the child or animal does not like it, or if it harms them. In a relationship between husband and wife, there is a physical gratification sexual act that takes place, but it is because they both consent, they both supposedly are in love...and they do it more than just to procreate...they do it to express love, and those who have married in the name of God, have made a covenant between them and God, not them and the government to uphold their marriage. Homosexuals do the same thing in relationships (some do not, just like some heterosexuals have sex with others they are not married or in a committed relationship with.). So then the next argument would be....sex is only for marriage....I would say sure...under the Law (marriage is a manmade institution with a marriage license, UNLESS you make a covenant between you and the Lord...then it becomes a sealing). ...i believe scriptural there is the law and spirit of the law...Paul says that those "under the spirit are not under the law"...As members who choose exaltation, we are supposed to be living under the law UNTIL we offer a broken heart and contrite spirit, and then covenant to follow the spirit. ( I have been studying, and will attempt to prove when I get done finishing this topic...that there are gross errors in translation that limits most members understanding on this topic...which is why people can't tell the difference between beastiality, pedophila.....and homosexuality)....its actually very hurtful to people who have experienced these judgements.
I would also argue...love the person, hate the sin mentality, means you still "remember" the sin, and cast a judgement. I have found that a better move for me, is to mentally walk in someones shoes....cast no judgement, and let the Lord be the judge of their intentions...because grace will cover what we can not...and the amount of grace is dependent upon the individual...who am I to judge. It has also helped me, after studying some of these topics in the scriptures, to see that there were deliberate translation errors--so that it would cause others to err. it tells me, exactly what Jesus Christ, that one must exceed the righteousness of a pharisee before one can enter heaven...he didn't say sinner...he said pharisee...they couldn't see their sin, but it was in the judgement they cast. Anyway....im still studying the topic...it may take me a week or so to write my thoughts, but hopefully we can be more open minded after you read what I put together. I prefer the "I dont know, or I won't judge stance, or Im a sinner who sins differently stance, or maybe it's not a sin at all, but an error in understanding".
It isn't about 2 people wanting to express love. You are missing the entire point. All sin can be rationalized if you abstract away far enough.
The Lord does not require that we do not judge. He requires that we judge righteously. Walking in the shoes of another is a good first step, but if not accompanied with a judgement of some sort it actually makes the first step irrelevant. Why develop empathy for a person or situation if you are unwilling to do anything with that empathy? The empathy is to help you understand them, love them, and help to get them back on the right course.
I believe your ideology to be satanic, not Christian. i think you mean well, but the result of your system is that more people will be saddled by the chains of their carnal natural man, with no hope or path to freedom. Although it is couched in expressions of love, it really doesn't show any love at all to the sinner as it will never bring them to repentance. Instead, it is really just an ideology to make you feel better about yourself. You feel loving. You feel open minded. You feel accepting. You feel enlightened. Yet the poor homosexual is damned to a life of bondage to their desires.
I wish you well on your endeavors to finally key upon the correct translation of the scriptures after all these thousands of years. I keep an open mind that I could be wrong about my viewpoints, so I will read your findings with interest. I must admit I find it highly unlikely you will discover anything new, however. It would be truly remarkable if something considered a heinous sin by all Jews/Christians from the time of Abraham were just a misunderstanding.