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i believe the scriptures. I believe what it says in Mormon chapter 8 about every church being polluted. I believe that mean the lds church as well.underdog wrote: ↑September 21st, 2017, 9:45 pm Major prophesy was uttered, IMHO.
For interested people who missed it, the highlights were as follows:
- He spent time on discussing what it means to "be sent."
- He taught the doctrine of Christ.
- Invited all to be baptized.
- Said read Matthew 24, which is about the signs immediately preceding the Second Coming.
- Said the signs have begun.
- Referred to verse 34 saying ALL the signs will be fulfilled in THIS generation. Big time prophesy.
- Said to be of good cheer, that prophets will be among you. As in PLURALITY of prophets.
- Said that if you're going to listen to a preacher who says he has a message from God, you should only listen to one who has been sent.
- He bore testimony at the end that he knows Christ lives, for he has seen Him, as Paul saw Him.
- He compared himself to Noah.
- Said the end times will be like Noah's day. That's the scary part. But said the good news is that there will be prophets sent, just as Noah was sent.
Agreed.
I don't see the need to even grant that much, that Denver has seen anything. It is possible that Denver has seen an "angel of light" type of being like Korihor, but the more likely explanation is either mental illness or that Denver Snuffer is simply lying. Whatever he is, the Devil helpeth him, because he has become a person of notoriety, a person "before of old" ordained to the gathering of the tares of the field from among us. (Jude 1:4). Choose ye this day.simpleton wrote: ↑September 22nd, 2017, 6:59 am And Denver Snuffer is opposed to Brigham Young, and yet claims to have seen Jesus Christ. Well I have no doubt in my mind that Denver has seen somebody "miraculously speaking" but as to actually being Jesus Christ, sorry, nothing but an immitation, the devil in disguise, the devil appearing as an angel of light, to deceive the very elect.
You said,simpleton wrote: ↑September 22nd, 2017, 6:59 am And also don't forget that for every "prophet " that God sends there are plenty of false prophets or fakers that Satan sends to oppose the true ones....
So my stand is this specifically:
Brigham Young was called By Jesus Christ himself to the apostleship and to the presiding high priesthood and to the leadership of the church and Kingdom of God to all the earth.
And Denver Snuffer is opposed to Brigham Young, and yet claims to have seen Jesus Christ. Well I have no doubt in my mind that Denver has seen somebody "miraculously speaking" but as to actually being Jesus Christ, sorry, nothing but an immitation, the devil in disguise, the devil appearing as an angel of light, to deceive the very elect.
It reminds me of Mr. Korihor:
But behold, the devil hath deceived me; for he appeared unto me in the form of an angel, and said unto me: Go and reclaim this people, for they have all gone astray after an unknown God. And he said unto me: There is no God; yea, and he taught me that which I should say. And I have taught his words; and I taught them because they were pleasing unto the carnal mind; and I taught them, even until I had much success, insomuch that I verily believed that they were true; and for this cause I withstood the truth, even until I have brought this great curse upon me.
Denver is a " vain aspirant" a cunning lawyer that seemingly portrays himself as not seeking for power, but I notice that he has claimed revelation telling him that his name is " David" setting the stage for another one ( of the many hundreds already) claimants to being " the One Mighty and Strong" or the "Davidical Servant".
The minute you start " aspiring" is the minute Satan gains power over you, that is, if you do not repent.
"He is fallen, he is fallen, even a son of the morning". Do not think for a moment you or any of us are more intelligent then that " son of the morning" . Satan has something for everybody and will "deceive the very elect if it were possible", and I would venture to say that the best success he has to deceive us is when men " aspire" to greatness, to position, to authority, to power etc.
Now back to Brigham Young and Denver. Brigham Young was and still is God's anointed, and for Denver to summarily dismiss Brigham should be a "key whereby you may not be deceived" . And that my friends is good enough for me. Any so-called claimant to light that knocks God's anointed hath not God's spirit. Although may have had it but lost it.
That is my summary
The thing is, B.Y. never claimed to be called by Jesus Christ, nor to have been a true prophet like Joseph Smith.Brigham Young was called By Jesus Christ himself to the apostleship and to the presiding high priesthood and to the leadership of the church and Kingdom of God to all the earth.
Now back to Brigham Young and Denver. Brigham Young was and still is God's anointed, and for Denver to summarily dismiss Brigham should be a "key whereby you may not be deceived".
The minute you start " aspiring" is the minute Satan gains power over you, that is, if you do not repent.
"He is fallen, he is fallen, even a son of the morning". Do not think for a moment you or any of us are more intelligent then that " son of the morning" . Satan has something for everybody and will "deceive the very elect if it were possible", and I would venture to say that the best success he has to deceive us is when men " aspire" to greatness, to position, to authority, to power etc.
Awesome advice. Couldn't agree more.Ezra wrote: ↑September 22nd, 2017, 8:26 ami believe the scriptures. I believe what it says in Mormon chapter 8 about every church being polluted. I believe that mean the lds church as well.underdog wrote: ↑September 21st, 2017, 9:45 pm Major prophesy was uttered, IMHO.
For interested people who missed it, the highlights were as follows:
- He spent time on discussing what it means to "be sent."
- He taught the doctrine of Christ.
- Invited all to be baptized.
- Said read Matthew 24, which is about the signs immediately preceding the Second Coming.
- Said the signs have begun.
- Referred to verse 34 saying ALL the signs will be fulfilled in THIS generation. Big time prophesy.
- Said to be of good cheer, that prophets will be among you. As in PLURALITY of prophets.
- Said that if you're going to listen to a preacher who says he has a message from God, you should only listen to one who has been sent.
- He bore testimony at the end that he knows Christ lives, for he has seen Him, as Paul saw Him.
- He compared himself to Noah.
- Said the end times will be like Noah's day. That's the scary part. But said the good news is that there will be prophets sent, just as Noah was sent.
I also believe it means the church of Denver snuffer.
Don't put your trust in men.
Take a big example from nephi seeking the tree of life. Who was bid by a man dressed in white to come follow me. And he did. And was lead into the Wilderness. Tell once again he repeated and turned to the lord.
The path to Becoming like our Heavenly Father is one that is filled with the precepts of men like Denver and other men.
Talk to god yourself if you wanna know about him and want to be like him.
By latching on to the teaching of a man your only setting yourself up to be lead into the wilderness.
I testify that he will answer if you seek him and listen. Truly listen.
So that conference in Boise was all make believe?underdog wrote: ↑September 22nd, 2017, 8:52 amAwesome advice. Couldn't agree more.Ezra wrote: ↑September 22nd, 2017, 8:26 ami believe the scriptures. I believe what it says in Mormon chapter 8 about every church being polluted. I believe that mean the lds church as well.underdog wrote: ↑September 21st, 2017, 9:45 pm Major prophesy was uttered, IMHO.
For interested people who missed it, the highlights were as follows:
- He spent time on discussing what it means to "be sent."
- He taught the doctrine of Christ.
- Invited all to be baptized.
- Said read Matthew 24, which is about the signs immediately preceding the Second Coming.
- Said the signs have begun.
- Referred to verse 34 saying ALL the signs will be fulfilled in THIS generation. Big time prophesy.
- Said to be of good cheer, that prophets will be among you. As in PLURALITY of prophets.
- Said that if you're going to listen to a preacher who says he has a message from God, you should only listen to one who has been sent.
- He bore testimony at the end that he knows Christ lives, for he has seen Him, as Paul saw Him.
- He compared himself to Noah.
- Said the end times will be like Noah's day. That's the scary part. But said the good news is that there will be prophets sent, just as Noah was sent.
I also believe it means the church of Denver snuffer.
Don't put your trust in men.
Take a big example from nephi seeking the tree of life. Who was bid by a man dressed in white to come follow me. And he did. And was lead into the Wilderness. Tell once again he repeated and turned to the lord.
The path to Becoming like our Heavenly Father is one that is filled with the precepts of men like Denver and other men.
Talk to god yourself if you wanna know about him and want to be like him.
By latching on to the teaching of a man your only setting yourself up to be lead into the wilderness.
I testify that he will answer if you seek him and listen. Truly listen.
And yes, if Denver had established a church it would already be corrupted. But he hasn't and won't. So he says.
Post by Robin Hood »
It never ceases to amaze me how easy it is to impress those who want to be impressed.underdog wrote: ↑September 21st, 2017, 9:45 pm Major prophesy was uttered, IMHO.
For interested people who missed it, the highlights were as follows:
- He spent time on discussing what it means to "be sent."
- He taught the doctrine of Christ.
- Invited all to be baptized.
- Said read Matthew 24, which is about the signs immediately preceding the Second Coming.
- Said the signs have begun.
- Referred to verse 34 saying ALL the signs will be fulfilled in THIS generation. Big time prophesy.
- Said to be of good cheer, that prophets will be among you. As in PLURALITY of prophets.
- Said that if you're going to listen to a preacher who says he has a message from God, you should only listen to one who has been sent.
- He bore testimony at the end that he knows Christ lives, for he has seen Him, as Paul saw Him.
- He compared himself to Noah.
- Said the end times will be like Noah's day. That's the scary part. But said the good news is that there will be prophets sent, just as Noah was sent.
No corporation.Ezra wrote: ↑September 22nd, 2017, 9:03 amSo that conference in Boise was all make believe?underdog wrote: ↑September 22nd, 2017, 8:52 amAwesome advice. Couldn't agree more.Ezra wrote: ↑September 22nd, 2017, 8:26 ami believe the scriptures. I believe what it says in Mormon chapter 8 about every church being polluted. I believe that mean the lds church as well.underdog wrote: ↑September 21st, 2017, 9:45 pm Major prophesy was uttered, IMHO.
For interested people who missed it, the highlights were as follows:
- He spent time on discussing what it means to "be sent."
- He taught the doctrine of Christ.
- Invited all to be baptized.
- Said read Matthew 24, which is about the signs immediately preceding the Second Coming.
- Said the signs have begun.
- Referred to verse 34 saying ALL the signs will be fulfilled in THIS generation. Big time prophesy.
- Said to be of good cheer, that prophets will be among you. As in PLURALITY of prophets.
- Said that if you're going to listen to a preacher who says he has a message from God, you should only listen to one who has been sent.
- He bore testimony at the end that he knows Christ lives, for he has seen Him, as Paul saw Him.
- He compared himself to Noah.
- Said the end times will be like Noah's day. That's the scary part. But said the good news is that there will be prophets sent, just as Noah was sent.
I also believe it means the church of Denver snuffer.
Don't put your trust in men.
Take a big example from nephi seeking the tree of life. Who was bid by a man dressed in white to come follow me. And he did. And was lead into the Wilderness. Tell once again he repeated and turned to the lord.
The path to Becoming like our Heavenly Father is one that is filled with the precepts of men like Denver and other men.
Talk to god yourself if you wanna know about him and want to be like him.
By latching on to the teaching of a man your only setting yourself up to be lead into the wilderness.
I testify that he will answer if you seek him and listen. Truly listen.
And yes, if Denver had established a church it would already be corrupted. But he hasn't and won't. So he says.
Ah yes, another very clever positioning. Establish a Church, but say it is a non-Church. Very good positioning indeed. Very clever indeed. A loose group of fellowships that do not constitute a "Church," but all look to a certain head as someone that has been "sent," to give them God's word. Establish an institution without strict institutional constraints. It is a very clever thing, something that a lawyer came up with. Very intelligent twisting of reality.
The kind of people Paul warned Timothy about:Robin Hood wrote: ↑September 22nd, 2017, 9:04 amIt never ceases to amaze me how easy it is to impress those who want to be impressed.
Post by Robin Hood »
No authority.
Remove them? I don't think that's how God works. Out of curiosity anyone know if there is any scriptures that point to that as a pattern or if that had ever happened?Silver wrote: ↑September 22nd, 2017, 9:13 am Let me just say that Denver Snuffer has got nothing. A big nothing burger. For all you who have imagined some great awakening through Snuffer, you must make God impotent. That He most certainly is not. If the prophets and apostles of the true church, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, had strayed from the path, God could easily remove them and install those more faithful to His revealed word.
There is a great opportunity coming up soon to listen to true messengers. Enjoy General Conference, y'all.
6 We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth. -Joseph Smith
All you need is a body of followers to be a church. Think on nephi's day.underdog wrote: ↑September 22nd, 2017, 9:36 amNo corporation.Ezra wrote: ↑September 22nd, 2017, 9:03 amSo that conference in Boise was all make believe?underdog wrote: ↑September 22nd, 2017, 8:52 amAwesome advice. Couldn't agree more.Ezra wrote: ↑September 22nd, 2017, 8:26 am
i believe the scriptures. I believe what it says in Mormon chapter 8 about every church being polluted. I believe that mean the lds church as well.
I also believe it means the church of Denver snuffer.
Don't put your trust in men.
Take a big example from nephi seeking the tree of life. Who was bid by a man dressed in white to come follow me. And he did. And was lead into the Wilderness. Tell once again he repeated and turned to the lord.
The path to Becoming like our Heavenly Father is one that is filled with the precepts of men like Denver and other men.
Talk to god yourself if you wanna know about him and want to be like him.
By latching on to the teaching of a man your only setting yourself up to be lead into the wilderness.
I testify that he will answer if you seek him and listen. Truly listen.
And yes, if Denver had established a church it would already be corrupted. But he hasn't and won't. So he says.
No hierarchy.
No organization. Save some decentralized fellowships.
Nothing to control or infiltrate.
How does any one church escape being included in "every one"?Ezra wrote: ↑September 22nd, 2017, 9:43 amRemove them? I don't think that's how God works. Out of curiosity anyone know if there is any scriptures that point to that as a pattern or if that had ever happened?Silver wrote: ↑September 22nd, 2017, 9:13 am Let me just say that Denver Snuffer has got nothing. A big nothing burger. For all you who have imagined some great awakening through Snuffer, you must make God impotent. That He most certainly is not. If the prophets and apostles of the true church, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, had strayed from the path, God could easily remove them and install those more faithful to His revealed word.
There is a great opportunity coming up soon to listen to true messengers. Enjoy General Conference, y'all.
I know the conference talk where that was said but that seems to me an out of character statement. God has allowed many people to be lead to destruction by false prophets. I also I just mentioned the scripture in Mormon 8 34-41. Moroni said every church "every one" was polluted.
Thinking on that Satan would want everyone who is in a church that is polluted to think it's not so that they continue to walk a path that is corrupted instead of realizing the curruption and repenting.
Remove = if necessary, people dying and making room for those true to God.Ezra wrote: ↑September 22nd, 2017, 9:43 amRemove them? I don't think that's how God works. Out of curiosity anyone know if there is any scriptures that point to that as a pattern or if that had ever happened?Silver wrote: ↑September 22nd, 2017, 9:13 am Let me just say that Denver Snuffer has got nothing. A big nothing burger. For all you who have imagined some great awakening through Snuffer, you must make God impotent. That He most certainly is not. If the prophets and apostles of the true church, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, had strayed from the path, God could easily remove them and install those more faithful to His revealed word.
There is a great opportunity coming up soon to listen to true messengers. Enjoy General Conference, y'all.
I know the conference talk where that was said but that seems to me an out of character statement. God has allowed many people to be lead to destruction by false prophets. I also I just mentioned the scripture in Mormon 8 34-41. Moroni said every church "every one" was polluted.
Thinking on that Satan would want everyone who is in a church that is polluted to think it's not so that they continue to walk a path that is corrupted instead of realizing the curruption and repenting.
Perhaps you're right about the 'big time"ness of the prophesy. Perhaps I sensationalized it? I was looking at it from a perspective of the clock is now ticking. We all know that going back hundreds of years, even back to Peter's day, that there are people who think or thought THEIR generation is/was THE generation when Christ would come. So to say it is THIS generation is very significant. Has anybody in the Mormon Church recently said something so bold? I can't think of a time where THIS generation was called out. Couple that with Denver's prophesy that American will end in fratricidal and genocidal warfare, we have a person who at least is saying things a true prophet (like Noah) would be saying.e-eye2.0 wrote: ↑September 22nd, 2017, 10:10 am If the snuffer movement weren't so blinded this would be a hard pill to swallow. From my memory one of the biggest turn on's to snuffer was that you didn't need a prophet and that you should seek Christ. So lets lay this out -
So they followed a prophet until they disagreed with him
They said one should look directly to the Savior for revelation so no need for a prophet
Now the Lord is going to send prophets again
Good news this are going to be bad but we have propehts to help us get through them
Surprise I am a prophet listen to me
Don't listen to those who have not been sent (I will tell you who has been sent- surprise it's me)
So what is this big list of prophesy from Snuffer: From the list I read there was only 1: "Referred to verse 34 saying ALL the signs will be fulfilled in THIS generation. Big time prophesy."
Holy smokes - so either Snuffer has guessed right or we have to wait 25.5 years and then have the snuffer crowd debate what a generation is. At least you have some time to hang on to the guy.
Since we all know the signs of the times have been manifesting themselves for some time, to say that they will all be fulfilled in this generation is about as risky as selling caffeinated drinks at BYU.
Maybe Joseph Smith forgot about that part of the Book of Mormon. Poor Joseph didn't stand a chance because as soon as the church was organized by the commandment of God, then BOOM! it's a church, and all church's are corrupt. I suggest you think things through just a bit more, underdog.underdog wrote: ↑September 22nd, 2017, 9:50 amHow does any one church escape being included in "every one"?Ezra wrote: ↑September 22nd, 2017, 9:43 amRemove them? I don't think that's how God works. Out of curiosity anyone know if there is any scriptures that point to that as a pattern or if that had ever happened?Silver wrote: ↑September 22nd, 2017, 9:13 am Let me just say that Denver Snuffer has got nothing. A big nothing burger. For all you who have imagined some great awakening through Snuffer, you must make God impotent. That He most certainly is not. If the prophets and apostles of the true church, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, had strayed from the path, God could easily remove them and install those more faithful to His revealed word.
There is a great opportunity coming up soon to listen to true messengers. Enjoy General Conference, y'all.
I know the conference talk where that was said but that seems to me an out of character statement. God has allowed many people to be lead to destruction by false prophets. I also I just mentioned the scripture in Mormon 8 34-41. Moroni said every church "every one" was polluted.
Thinking on that Satan would want everyone who is in a church that is polluted to think it's not so that they continue to walk a path that is corrupted instead of realizing the curruption and repenting.
Was Moroni sloppy in his use of terms? Is this an incorrect translation by Joseph?
There is nothing wrong with Selling some drinks that are bad for you. It's taking away the freedoms to choose. So I'm glad to see a step in the right direction. It's sad that people want to drink that crap though.e-eye2.0 wrote: ↑September 22nd, 2017, 10:10 am If the snuffer movement weren't so blinded this would be a hard pill to swallow. From my memory one of the biggest turn on's to snuffer was that you didn't need a prophet and that you should seek Christ. So lets lay this out -
So they followed a prophet until they disagreed with him
They said one should look directly to the Savior for revelation so no need for a prophet
Now the Lord is going to send prophets again
Good news this are going to be bad but we have propehts to help us get through them
Surprise I am a prophet listen to me
Don't listen to those who have not been sent (I will tell you who has been sent- surprise it's me)
So what is this big list of prophesy from Snuffer: From the list I read there was only 1: "Referred to verse 34 saying ALL the signs will be fulfilled in THIS generation. Big time prophesy."
Holy smokes - so either Snuffer has guessed right or we have to wait 25.5 years and then have the snuffer crowd debate what a generation is. At least you have some time to hang on to the guy.
Since we all know the signs of the times have been manifesting themselves for some time, to say that they will all be fulfilled in this generation is about as risky as selling caffeinated drinks at BYU.
So we are all agreeing then that the lds church is a church. Church of snuffer is a church.shadow wrote: ↑September 22nd, 2017, 10:35 amMaybe Joseph Smith forgot about that part of the Book of Mormon. Poor Joseph didn't stand a chance because as soon as the church was organized by the commandment of God, then BOOM! it's a church, and all church's are corrupt. I suggest you think things through just a bit more, underdog.underdog wrote: ↑September 22nd, 2017, 9:50 amHow does any one church escape being included in "every one"?Ezra wrote: ↑September 22nd, 2017, 9:43 amRemove them? I don't think that's how God works. Out of curiosity anyone know if there is any scriptures that point to that as a pattern or if that had ever happened?Silver wrote: ↑September 22nd, 2017, 9:13 am Let me just say that Denver Snuffer has got nothing. A big nothing burger. For all you who have imagined some great awakening through Snuffer, you must make God impotent. That He most certainly is not. If the prophets and apostles of the true church, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, had strayed from the path, God could easily remove them and install those more faithful to His revealed word.
There is a great opportunity coming up soon to listen to true messengers. Enjoy General Conference, y'all.
I know the conference talk where that was said but that seems to me an out of character statement. God has allowed many people to be lead to destruction by false prophets. I also I just mentioned the scripture in Mormon 8 34-41. Moroni said every church "every one" was polluted.
Thinking on that Satan would want everyone who is in a church that is polluted to think it's not so that they continue to walk a path that is corrupted instead of realizing the curruption and repenting.
Was Moroni sloppy in his use of terms? Is this an incorrect translation by Joseph?
1 The rise of the Church of Christ in these last days, being one thousand eight hundred and thirty years since the coming of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ in the flesh, it being regularly organized and established agreeable to the laws of our country, by the will and commandments of God, in the fourth month, and on the sixth day of the month which is called April—
2 Which commandments were given to Joseph Smith, Jun., who was called of God, and ordained an apostle of Jesus Christ, to be the first elder of this church;
3 And to Oliver Cowdery, who was also called of God, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to be the second elder of this church, and ordained under his hand;
4 And this according to the grace of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, to whom be all glory, both now and forever. Amen.
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