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dconrad000 wrote: October 13th, 2013, 8:11 pm
I thought I might share this Letter To The Editor which was published last January [2013] by the Sanpete Messenger which services our county, which has a population of approximately 28,000.



Vaccinations Cause Autoimmune Disorders

Have you ever wondered why allergies have become so rampant in our society? I know so many people with allergies. It really is reaching ridiculous proportions.

Allergies are a mild form of autoimmune disorder. More severe autoimmune disorders have been steadily on the rise, as well. These can create very serious situations wherein one’s own immune system over time becomes sensitized to one’s own tissues, which can include important organs and/or neurological tissue. One’s own immune system then begins attacking and destroying important parts of one’s own body.

Some examples of this include Multiple Sclerosis, wherein the myelin sheath is targeted and destroyed; Type I Diabetes, wherein the cells in the pancreas that produce insulin are targeted and destroyed; Asthma, wherein one’s own immune system causes inflammation of the bronchial airways, which narrows them and increases resistance to breathing; inflammation of the brain, wherein damage occurs leading to a whole host of neurological disorders; inflammatory digestive tract disorders, such as Crohn’s Disease, and Inflammatory Bowl Disease (IBD), wherein cells in the intestines or bowels are targeted; inflammatory arthritic conditions, such as Rheumatoid Arthritis, wherein cartilaginous and other components of the joints are targeted…and the list goes on, and on.

Over the years, I have been gathering documentation and testimony from various credible sources, of the fact that autoimmune disorders are indeed, among the many side effects of vaccinations. If you only have time to view one thing, I commend to you the presentation by expert witness and highly respected neurospecialist and brain surgeon, Russell Blaylock, M.D. Using the Google search engine, type in the phrase, Vaccine Infowar In Cardston Country. You will find video of the presentation there, near the top of page 9. Autoimmune disorders have become rampant in our society. Expert witness, Russell Blaylock, M.D. will show you the primary mechanism by which that has occurred.

On November 2’nd of 2012, I lost my mother to an autoimmune disorder: Interstitial Lung Disease, wherein one’s own immune system begins attacking and destroying one’s own lung tissue…transforming the normal, healthy, elastic tissue of the lungs into non-functional scar tissue and fibrosis. Barring divine intervention, this is an irreversible process (as are most autoimmune disorders, with rare exception). I estimate that this autoimmune disorder probably shaved about 20 years off of my mother’s life. Autoimmune disorders are rampant amongst the vaccinated –- virtually non-existent in non-vaccinated populations. Had my mother’s parents had this information before she was born –- and had they protected her from receiving vaccinations (as we have our children) –- I am absolutely convinced that my mother would never have contracted the devastating and vicious autoimmune disorder, which significantly shortened her life.

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Here is a short e-mail that I have used to persuade many of my friends and family members and other contacts regarding the truth about vaccinations, over the years. Anyone here may feel free to use it as they might see fit.

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Important health and safety information for your loved ones, here:

One of the most important things that one can do for the health and safety of their friends and loved ones is to convince them to not allow any vaccinations for themselves or their children - ever.

Here is some information that should convince even the most skeptical of people of the truth of that bold statement.

Go to the following link, where I have posted my work in the vaccine resistance movement:

http://www.drdaveconrad.com/bio.html


1. Listen to the 36 minute interview entitled, "Interview of the author of "They Want To Inject My Kid With What?!!!"

2. Receive a second witness from highly respected Stanley Monteith, M.D. by listening to the 52 minute interview entitled, "Guest Appearance on the Stanley Monteith, M.D. Show".

3. Receive a third witness from highly respected neuro-specialist and brain surgeon, Russell Blaylock, M.D. by going to page 9 of "Vaccine Infowar In Cardston Country", and watching Dr Blaylock's 88 minute presentation.

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Also, and interestingly, I have seen many anti-vaxxers readily accept antibiotics when they or their children are suffering from infections. I've also seen them consent to surgical procedures when they find themselves in danger (such as appendicitis or cholecystitis).

Antibiotics and surgery are infinitely more dangerous and associated with orders of magnitude higher rates of complications and mortality. Why do they consent to them? Because the benefits outweigh the risks.

Just. Like. Vaccinations.

...but it's even more the case with vaccinations...

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...again, LDS Physician, we'll have to agree to disagree.

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LDS Physician -- thank you for your voice of reason among so much insanity!

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This debate was addressed by the GA in the seventies. It was their statement that modern medicine is the knowledge given from God and we should not keep ourselves from vaccines. I have heard no new statements therefore anyone believing the latest scare craze is falling into the trap of believing men over God`s science. You are welcome to it but I have no faith in worldly men`s plots and ploys. If ever it becomes dangerous I do not doubt the Lord will make it known through his mouth pieces. I hardly think Alex Jones is a man ordained by God for anything important let alone revealing the so called dangers of vaccines. Still some of you crave a man to follow. You hear a bit of truth in something and attach all truth to it without prayer or study. You believe any written evidence on the net as proof. Abraham Lincoln wrote tons of true articles for the net. In other words you are blindly following men. Have you not been warned? Why do you willfully ignore these warning? Why do you ignore the spirit in hearing your own voice and opinion? Sad really. You have text books on life , you have the spiritual teach at your whim of prayer and he has given you chosen men but still you cling to the world for knowledge. Pathetic.

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Jessie08, we'll have to agree to disagree.

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MEASLES OUTBREAK IN EUROPE: CONVENIENT LIES
The World Health Organization is now touting a measles epidemic in Europe
Jon Rappoport | Infowars.com - JULY 25, 2017


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jessie08 wrote: June 28th, 2017, 5:56 pm This debate was addressed by the GA in the seventies. It was their statement that modern medicine is the knowledge given from God and we should not keep ourselves from vaccines. I have heard no new statements therefore anyone believing the latest scare craze is falling into the trap of believing men over God`s science. You are welcome to it but I have no faith in worldly men`s plots and ploys. If ever it becomes dangerous I do not doubt the Lord will make it known through his mouth pieces. I hardly think Alex Jones is a man ordained by God for anything important let alone revealing the so called dangers of vaccines. Still some of you crave a man to follow. You hear a bit of truth in something and attach all truth to it without prayer or study. You believe any written evidence on the net as proof. Abraham Lincoln wrote tons of true articles for the net. In other words you are blindly following men. Have you not been warned? Why do you willfully ignore these warning? Why do you ignore the spirit in hearing your own voice and opinion? Sad really. You have text books on life , you have the spiritual teach at your whim of prayer and he has given you chosen men but still you cling to the world for knowledge. Pathetic.
Your whole philosophy in this post of yours rests on the authority of General Authorities from the seventies. In other words, you reject dconrad000's position because you believe what you heard a man say to you in the seventies. Because you make the mistake of equating GA's with the Holy Spirit, you ironically are "blindly following men" while criticizing dconrad000 for doing the same.

Interesting phenomenon.

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The Church's position on vaccines has not changed at all since the 1970's. In fact, they are a big financial sponsor of vaccines and immunizations worldwide. The article below is from 2012.

https://www.lds.org/church/news/church- ... n?lang=eng

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That is true, 96Walker.

For a thorough discussion of the topic of vaccinations, as it relates to the church and those who set vaccination policy for the church -- past and present, I refer the reader to page 1 of this thread:


viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9764


Further insight on that subject may be gleaned from carefully studying the information linked in this post, from page 9:

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=9764&start=240#p347196

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...a couple more must-see video clips from Jon Rappaport:



Producer Of Anti Vaccine Movie Banned From Australia






CDC Destroyed Evidence That Some Vaccines Cause Autism


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LDS Physician wrote: May 18th, 2017, 9:10 am I'm a physician and a bishop and find the anti-vax "movement" to be incredibly and astoundingly ignorant and misguided.

As a physician I'm vaccinated against multiple infectious disease annually (I am an emergency room physician). I assure you, my brain functions normally and I have suffered no ill effects whatsoever to these immunizations. Additionally, my 5 children are vaccinated and they're perfectly fine as well.

I'm also on the local school board and observe many thousands of children in addition to the thousand of children who move through the ERs within which I work...all vaccinated and all doing great.

The actual and verifiable data on vaccinations are impressive: they prevent and have nearly eradicated multiple, horrific, deadly diseases. The science behind them is convincing, at least to this scientist -- and to many many more. Yes, an occasional person can suffer allergic, even deadly reactions to vaccinations...but this result is exceptionally rare compared to the death, disfigurement, and horror that the diseases being prevented cause.

Someday I hope we don't experience a biological attack by a nefarious nation, but if they were to use smallpox, for instance...only those vaccinated against this disease would survive. All those who choose not to be vaccinated would die in a horrible manner. Is it worth the risk? That's up to you, I suppose. Here is what is up to me: thinking that anti-vaccinators are ignorant, believers-of-hype, and bordering on paranoia.

Sincerely,

LDS Physician
I am not a physician, and find physicians incredibly and astoundingly ignorant and misguided.

I'm not vaccinated, children aren't much, and we have never suffered ill effects from not having done so.

I teach, and I see more and more children with increasing problems--allergies, food intolerances, ADHD, behavior problems, emotional problems, etc.--I can assure you vaccines don't do as they say. This is in all different socioeconomic areas, too.

Actual and verifiable data doesn't really exist, though there are many studies to the contrary. It's possible that a few vaccines might help a few people, especially in the short-term.

Your use of the example of smallpox is very interesting and somewhat comical. I urge you to read up on chicken pox, monkey pox, cow pox, small pox, etc., and understand why. Especially the multiple recent findings. ;)

I believe we would do much better with smallpox than the people who got any shots. ABSOLUTELY worth the risk. :)

Here is what is up to me: thinking that vaccinators are ignorant, believers-of-hype, and bordering on paranoia.
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LDS physician, I think we could communicate better if we were to drop the term “anti-vaxxer” from the conversation. It is very difficult to have a conversation when we start with name calling. It’s like Silver calling everyone who voted for Trump a “Trump sychophant.” Or anyone who questions any aspect of “climate change” a “denier.” Can we just be civil? I am willing to entertain the idea that I may be on the wrong side. Are you?

I am skeptical of the number and types of vaccinations that are pushed, especially since I have seen a huge increase in the recommended schedule just over the course of my own children’s short lives. I also am concerned over the harmful materials found in many vaccinations. I am also concerned over the fact that at times vaccinations have been tainted. I had a family member die of cancer who received the polio vaccine that had been tainted with a cancer-causing virus. These things concern me. They should probably concern everybody. That does not make me absolutely against vaccinations. But in your view, I would definitely be considered an "anti-vaxxer." My awareness of the problems with vaccinations may cause me to have a more cautious approach than others.

BTW, I don’t see how being a bishop or being on a school board factors into this debate. I almost don’t see how being a doctor factors in as well. I am on good terms with several, and not all of them agree with your position.

BTW again, does it not concern you that you have to be vaccinated multiple times every year? It concerns me. It seems like maybe these vaccinations aren't doing what they are supposed to do if you have to keep having them.

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VACCINE PUSHERS MEET IN HOUSTON TO POISON YOUR FAMILY
Big government is trying to control what you put in your body
Rob Dew | Infowars.com - SEPTEMBER 18, 2017
Michelle Ford joins the War Room to expose the vast coverup of the dangerous side-effects of the vaccines they’re pushing on your family.


https://www.infowars.com/vaccine-pusher ... ur-family/



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Jailed mom 'devastated' to learn son was vaccinated


http://www.msn.com/en-us/health/healtht ... li=BBnbfcL


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BIGGER THAN JFK FILES: HHS VACCINE HARM COVERED UP
Whistleblower reveals HHS misconduct
David Knight | Infowars.com - NOVEMBER 2, 2017


https://www.infowars.com/bigger-than-jf ... overed-up/



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Toxic Mechanism of Vaccine Aluminum





SUPER-HIGH LEVELS OF TOXIC ALUMINUM FOUND IN BRAINS OF AUTISTIC PATIENTS
Would you be willing to spin the roulette wheel on YOUR child’s life and future and brain?
Jon Rappoport | Infowars.com - NOVEMBER 28, 2017


https://www.infowars.com/super-high-lev ... -patients/


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CPS GRABS NEWBORN BABY FROM A DISABLED CHRISTIAN MOTHER AFTER THE PARENTS EXPRESSED A DESIRE NOT TO VACCINATE
All over the nation CPS is stealing children from Christian families that express concerns about the safety of vaccines
Michael Snyder | End Of The American Dream - NOVEMBER 27, 2017


https://www.infowars.com/cps-grabs-newb ... vaccinate/

http://endoftheamericandream.com/archiv ... -vaccinate


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GLOBAL VACCINE CARTEL WREAKS DESTRUCTION: THE EVIDENCE
More lies, more widespread destruction from the vaccine establishment
Jon Rappoport | Infowars.com - DECEMBER 6, 2017
Massive vaccine damage, hidden.
Put these two public-health agency statements up against each other:
DON’T GIVE THIS VACCINE TO PEOPLE WHOSE IMMUNE SYSTEMS ARE WEAK, BECAUSE DIRE CONSEQUENCES WOULD FOLLOW.
WE GAVE THIS VACCINE TO 100 MILLION PEOPLE, MILLIONS OF WHOM HAD WEAK IMMUNE SYSTEMS, AND IT WAS A GLORIOUS SUCCESS, ONE OF THE GREATEST ACHIEVEMENTS IN THE HISTORY OF MODERN MEDICINE.
Doesn’t add up, does it? Across a population of 100 million people, widespread harm and death would have occurred.
Read on, and follow the inexorable logic.



https://www.infowars.com/global-vaccine ... -evidence/


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MASSIVE FLU OUTBREAK? HERE’S THE REAL STORY THE MEDIA WON’T TOUCH.
The lies, the hoax, the scandal
Jon Rappoport | Infowars.com - JANUARY 16, 2018


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Reposting from page 7:


dconrad000 wrote: January 28th, 2011, 1:09 pm Often young parents who have a "bad feeling" about getting their kids vaccinated -- go into a clinic or a hospital setting with the thought that they are not going to allow their child to be vaccinated...but then wind up walking out with a vaccinated child. Why does this happen?

Withstanding The Pressure To Allow Your Children To Be Vaccinated



This topic came up again in a phone conversation with a concerned mother/grandmother this morning.

It also came up on a thread in a different forum last summer...so I think I will post some of that conversation here, in case it might be helpful.

...from that other forum...

PL wrote:
CL - you don't need arguments about the dangers and efficacy to present to any health practitioner. Like they used to tell us with regards to recreational drugs - just say no. If you get thrown off their list for that, all to the good - you don't want their "care" anyway.
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Very good point, PL...yes that should work...as long as the parent is completely convinced of themself...that they must protect their child from all vaccines at all costs...no matter what a medical practitioner says...

...otherwise they might be in danger of caving into the enormous pressure brought to bear -- especially if they are wavering on the issue a bit themselves -- don't fully understand the severity of the danger to their child that vaccinations pose...and then when the smooth-talking medical practitioner uses phrasology that infers that they would not be a good and responsible parent, to not vaccinate...and besides this particular vaccine does not contain any mercury...or some such other ingredient that they might say it does not contain...so "your concern about mercury is not valid". etc. (Don't fall into the trap of mentioning mercury as your concern -- what your real concern should be is the danger of all vaccines -- because they truly are all very dangerous -- not just the ones that contain a mercury-based-preservative.)

The important thing is that the parent must know enough to be absolutely confident that they know better than that practitioner -- what is best for their own child. They must be unwavering and brave -- otherwise, many of them cave to the pressure and go along with it.
[Anyone who desires to do so, may feel free to PM me their e-mail address and I will send them a couple of informational e-mails, that I dare say should arm any parent with the knowledge -- and conviction -- to "move heaven and earth" to keep anyone from injecting any of their children with any vaccine -- ever.]


dconrad000 wrote:
...one more important point...

A favorite trick of the medical practitioner (and they have been trained to employ this) is to ask you questions to bring out your concerns -- so that they can then "break-down" those concerns. Most parents aren't very articulate at expressing those concerns -- and the medical practitioner is ready with rehearsed, polished sounding responses that can often, on the surface, make it seem that the parent is standing on flimsy ground -- and what the medical practitioner is telling them makes perfect sense -- and to be a good and responsible parent, the wise course of action is to do what the person in the white jacket is telling you.

Even if you are skilled and articulate with debating your point of view on the matter -- it is best not to fall into the trap of answering their questions about your concerns. Don't waste your time playing their "little game" in the first place. You take control -- simply by firmly saying, "I am not going to go into all that with you. All you need to know is that I have carefully studied the issue -- and I strongly feel that the risks outweigh the benefits". They might try again to get you to explain what you "think" the risks are. You just need to be assertive -- and repeat what you just said to them again -- refuse to play their game -- you take control -- you are the patient -- they are there to serve you.


...one more helpful tip that I will add, here...

Get the book, "How To Raise A Healthy Child, In Spite of Your Doctor", by Robert S. Mendelsohn, M.D. Many parents are lacking in knowledge about what to do when their kid gets sick -- and it is fear from lack of knowledge that often drives them to take their child in to see a doctor in the first place. That book arms a parent with a tremendous amount of useful knowledge of what to do in a variety of circumstances...and you will learn from that book that for a large variety of specific conditions, your child will be safer and healthier -- using simple alternatives you can do yourself for them at home. Learn about those things candidly, from one of the most renowned pediatricians of all time -- Robert S. Mendelsohn, M.D. The book is easy reading...and it is organized so that it can be used as a quick-reference-guide as well. Every parent and grandparent should be armed with that book.




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Excellent find, Shadow. Thanks for posting.





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...re-posting this from Sister P, on page 7. Thanks again, Sister P. I really appreciated you posting your experience and insight on the subject.

sisterp wrote: September 21st, 2011, 1:06 pm I am brand new to this forum, and have spent the last several days reading about Dr Cohen and his predictions for this week. I was surprised to find this thread on vaccines in the "last days" section, but be that as it may, I have browsed through the last 2 year's of posts, going into some of the links and skipping past others in the interest of time. I do not have a lot to add to the discussion, but wanted to thank you for all the time spent compiling the info. I was especially interested in the video interview with Dr. Wakefield.

My husband did not want to vaccinate our kids, and I did. I grew up as a normal person and he was raised as a weirdo.

Before we were even married we began discussing the issue and I set out to prove him wrong. After months of research (this was 15 years ago, but there was still much to be researched) I felt certain that we should never vaccinate our children. I met with a big fight from my parents. While I was pregnant with my first, we fasted and prayed and went to the temple, and we did receive the answer, that for us and our kids, we weren't going to vaccinate. My parents still fought it very hard, bringing to light quotes from the 1970s from the Brethren, encouraging immunization. They were concerned that we were making our own decision regardless of what the Brethren had told us to do. I appreciate their concern, and the love for us and our unborn kids that brought it on. I was torn, having felt like I received an answer, yet faced with the quote from 1978. So, I wrote to the First Presidency, explaining my situation and my difficulty. A response did come. I was told that whether or not to vaccinate was a personal decision between us and the Lord, and that the church has no official stance on it, although many members of the 12 did feel it was a beneficial thing to do.

Going forward with this letter, we did not vaccinate our kids. We now have 6 kids. My parents fought hard for a long time, and relations were difficult for a few years, but now it has become an issue that is out there, but doesn't get discussed. I know how they feel, they know how I feel. My little brothers are both grateful, because although they have both decided against vaccinating their kids, they didn't have to take the heat for it, since I already had. LOL. I always wonder what my parents think now that 13 of their grandkids are not vaccinated? The difference in overall health is tremendously obvious. While my nieces and nephews who were vaccinated are plagued by nonstop ear infections and runny noses, illness, irritability, etc. the 13 unvaccinated children are the picture of health. Literally. My kids range in age from 14 down to 4, and aside from eye doctors and dentists none of my children has ever been to a doctor. Ever. They just don't get sick. I have zero regrets about our decision, and feel it was definitely the right decision for us and our kids. I don't look down on my sisters who have vaccinated their kids, and I hope they don't look down on me.

Speaking to my chiropractor a few months ago, (he doesn't vaccinate, and he is a bishop) he brought up the point that the church handbook is basically the church's stance on anything the church has a stance on. If it is not found in the handbook, the counsel a bishop should give his ward-member is that it should be taken to the Lord in prayer, and it is a personal decision. Vaccination and immunization are not in the church handbook, according to him. (And I believe him, because my dad is a stake president, and if anything about vaccination showed up in the handbook, I'm sure I would have heard all about it.) So, what I take from this is that vaccination is a personal decision that should be made between you and the Lord. The problem that I see, is that it is not a decision that people make, it is just something they are told to do, and they do it.

This is a long post, with not much substance, but just my experience. I am grateful for my kid's health, and often wonder how much of my auto-immune disease and chronic migraine headaches could be tied to the vaccines I received as a baby.

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