Muslim Aid Workers Force Starving Africans to Convert to Islam Before Giving them Food
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Muslim Aid Workers Force Starving Africans to Convert to Islam Before Giving them Food
Islam is the polar opposite of the LDS church on everything. In my opinion, Allah is lucifer and Islam is his religion on this earth.
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When an Arabic-speaking 16-year old priest says the blessing on the bread and water, what are the first words out of his mouth?markharr wrote: ↑July 25th, 2017, 11:14 am Islam is the polar opposite of the LDS church on everything. In my opinion, Allah is lucifer and Islam is his religion on this earth.
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Yep, ISLAM is antichrist without a doubt.markharr wrote: ↑July 25th, 2017, 11:14 am Islam is the polar opposite of the LDS church on everything. In my opinion, Allah is lucifer and Islam is his religion on this earth.
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Islam was created 600 years after Christianity not to affirm the Bible, but to discredit it; not to co-exist with "the people of the book" -- Jews and Christians -- but to replace them.
It is hard to read Islamic law books without concluding that Islamic values are essentially "a rebellion against the Ten Commandments".
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Guess what. Bombing innocent people is anti-Christ, too.Rensai wrote: ↑July 25th, 2017, 1:01 pmYep, ISLAM is antichrist without a doubt.markharr wrote: ↑July 25th, 2017, 11:14 am Islam is the polar opposite of the LDS church on everything. In my opinion, Allah is lucifer and Islam is his religion on this earth.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/07 ... ving-food/
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Islam was created 600 years after Christianity not to affirm the Bible, but to discredit it; not to co-exist with "the people of the book" -- Jews and Christians -- but to replace them.
It is hard to read Islamic law books without concluding that Islamic values are essentially "a rebellion against the Ten Commandments".
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Good thing I'm not supporting either of those things then.Silver wrote: ↑July 25th, 2017, 1:07 pmGuess what. Bombing innocent people is anti-Christ, too.Rensai wrote: ↑July 25th, 2017, 1:01 pmYep, ISLAM is antichrist without a doubt.markharr wrote: ↑July 25th, 2017, 11:14 am Islam is the polar opposite of the LDS church on everything. In my opinion, Allah is lucifer and Islam is his religion on this earth.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/07 ... ving-food/
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/1057 ... mmandments
Islam was created 600 years after Christianity not to affirm the Bible, but to discredit it; not to co-exist with "the people of the book" -- Jews and Christians -- but to replace them.
It is hard to read Islamic law books without concluding that Islamic values are essentially "a rebellion against the Ten Commandments".
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Add up the damage done by each then and see which one deserves your focus.Rensai wrote: ↑July 25th, 2017, 3:17 pmGood thing I'm not supporting either of those things then.Silver wrote: ↑July 25th, 2017, 1:07 pmGuess what. Bombing innocent people is anti-Christ, too.Rensai wrote: ↑July 25th, 2017, 1:01 pmYep, ISLAM is antichrist without a doubt.markharr wrote: ↑July 25th, 2017, 11:14 am Islam is the polar opposite of the LDS church on everything. In my opinion, Allah is lucifer and Islam is his religion on this earth.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/07 ... ving-food/
https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/1057 ... mmandments
Islam was created 600 years after Christianity not to affirm the Bible, but to discredit it; not to co-exist with "the people of the book" -- Jews and Christians -- but to replace them.
It is hard to read Islamic law books without concluding that Islamic values are essentially "a rebellion against the Ten Commandments".
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Why not both? Instead of Hijacking every post about ISLAM why don't you start a separate thread about the evils of the western governments bombing them.Silver wrote: ↑July 25th, 2017, 3:18 pmAdd up the damage done by each then and see which one deserves your focus.Rensai wrote: ↑July 25th, 2017, 3:17 pmGood thing I'm not supporting either of those things then.Silver wrote: ↑July 25th, 2017, 1:07 pmGuess what. Bombing innocent people is anti-Christ, too.Rensai wrote: ↑July 25th, 2017, 1:01 pm
Yep, ISLAM is antichrist without a doubt.
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Cleanse the inner vessel, or don't. It's up to you.Rensai wrote: ↑July 25th, 2017, 3:20 pmWhy not both? Instead of Hijacking every post about ISLAM why don't you start a separate thread about the evils of the western governments bombing them.
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Allahu Akbar, or Allah is greater.Silver wrote: ↑July 25th, 2017, 11:30 amWhen an Arabic-speaking 16-year old priest says the blessing on the bread and water, what are the first words out of his mouth?markharr wrote: ↑July 25th, 2017, 11:14 am Islam is the polar opposite of the LDS church on everything. In my opinion, Allah is lucifer and Islam is his religion on this earth.
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Who is Allah Greater than?
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Perhaps my writing was not clear. I mean an LDS Aaronic priesthood holder saying the sacrament prayermarkharr wrote: ↑July 25th, 2017, 3:40 pmAllahu Akbar, or Allah is greater.Silver wrote: ↑July 25th, 2017, 11:30 amWhen an Arabic-speaking 16-year old priest says the blessing on the bread and water, what are the first words out of his mouth?markharr wrote: ↑July 25th, 2017, 11:14 am Islam is the polar opposite of the LDS church on everything. In my opinion, Allah is lucifer and Islam is his religion on this earth.
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http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/allah.html
Arabic: الله
“Allah” is the Arabic word for “God” and has been so long before the existence of Islam. The names “Allah” and “God” are generally interchangeable within the Muslim religion and in Middle Eastern cultures. Some English translations of the Qu’ran (Koran) use the name “God,” others use “Allah.” This sometimes comes as a surprise to Christians who were raised in Western cultures. Among former Muslims, many converts to Christianity commonly refer to God as “Allah.” (This is despite the fact that they recognize clear differences in the character of God as described by the Bible compared to Islamic writings. For example, although both Christians, Muslims and Jews firmly believe there is only one God, Christians have the additional doctrine of the Trinity.) (close quote from the link above)
For a quick confirmation, D&C 1:9 contains the title of God:
9 Yea, verily, to seal them up unto the day when the wrath of God shall be poured out upon the wicked without measure—
Now in D&C 1:9 in Arabic:
Allah = God in Arabic. That's it. So can we please stop this nonsensical persecution of 1.8 billion people on earth by calling God Himself the name of Lucifer? Many Muslims are descendants of our father Abraham. They are all, regardless of their genealogy, our brothers and sisters. Instead of carpet-bombing them, we should treat them kindly so they will be happy to remain in the lands of their birth.
By the way, the Arabic in the picture above comes from an official LDS website:
https://www.lds.org/bc/content/shared/c ... &clang=ara
Finally, look at "Allah" and "Elohim" and if you've been through an endowment session, think of a prayer said there. You should be able to see the connection.
Arabic: الله
“Allah” is the Arabic word for “God” and has been so long before the existence of Islam. The names “Allah” and “God” are generally interchangeable within the Muslim religion and in Middle Eastern cultures. Some English translations of the Qu’ran (Koran) use the name “God,” others use “Allah.” This sometimes comes as a surprise to Christians who were raised in Western cultures. Among former Muslims, many converts to Christianity commonly refer to God as “Allah.” (This is despite the fact that they recognize clear differences in the character of God as described by the Bible compared to Islamic writings. For example, although both Christians, Muslims and Jews firmly believe there is only one God, Christians have the additional doctrine of the Trinity.) (close quote from the link above)
For a quick confirmation, D&C 1:9 contains the title of God:
9 Yea, verily, to seal them up unto the day when the wrath of God shall be poured out upon the wicked without measure—
Now in D&C 1:9 in Arabic:
Allah = God in Arabic. That's it. So can we please stop this nonsensical persecution of 1.8 billion people on earth by calling God Himself the name of Lucifer? Many Muslims are descendants of our father Abraham. They are all, regardless of their genealogy, our brothers and sisters. Instead of carpet-bombing them, we should treat them kindly so they will be happy to remain in the lands of their birth.
By the way, the Arabic in the picture above comes from an official LDS website:
https://www.lds.org/bc/content/shared/c ... &clang=ara
Finally, look at "Allah" and "Elohim" and if you've been through an endowment session, think of a prayer said there. You should be able to see the connection.
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Silver wrote: ↑July 26th, 2017, 8:06 am http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/allah.html
Arabic: الله
“Allah” is the Arabic word for “God” and has been so long before the existence of Islam. The names “Allah” and “God” are generally interchangeable within the Muslim religion and in Middle Eastern cultures. Some English translations of the Qu’ran (Koran) use the name “God,” others use “Allah.” This sometimes comes as a surprise to Christians who were raised in Western cultures. Among former Muslims, many converts to Christianity commonly refer to God as “Allah.” (This is despite the fact that they recognize clear differences in the character of God as described by the Bible compared to Islamic writings. For example, although both Christians, Muslims and Jews firmly believe there is only one God, Christians have the additional doctrine of the Trinity.) (close quote from the link above)
For a quick confirmation, D&C 1:9 contains the title of God:
9 Yea, verily, to seal them up unto the day when the wrath of God shall be poured out upon the wicked without measure—
Now in D&C 1:9 in Arabic:
D_C 1_9.jpg
Allah = God in Arabic. That's it. So can we please stop this nonsensical persecution of 1.8 billion people on earth by calling God Himself the name of Lucifer? Many Muslims are descendants of our father Abraham. They are all, regardless of their genealogy, our brothers and sisters. Instead of carpet-bombing them, we should treat them kindly so they will be happy to remain in the lands of their birth.
By the way, the Arabic in the picture above comes from an official LDS website:
https://www.lds.org/bc/content/shared/c ... &clang=ara
Finally, look at "Allah" and "Elohim" and if you've been through an endowment session, think of a prayer said there. You should be able to see the connection.
Allah is translated to mean god in western cultures but that does not make it the same god that we worship, it only makes it the god of Islam and lucifer sees himself as the god of this world.
A better translation for Allah would be Dragon. Mohammed himself referred to Allah as the dragon. Look at the Islamic script for Allah
And I'm not persecuting anyone and I don't appreciate being accused of it. I have sympathy for Islamic people who were deceived by the great deceiver.
This is persecution.
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Acutal text from the Quran. Does this sound like your god, or does it sound like someone else you know?
(Quran 3:54) –
Literal: And they cheated/deceived and God cheated/deceived, and God (is) the best (of) the cheaters/deceivers
( Quran 7:99 ) –
Literal: Did they secure God’s scheme/deceit ? So no(one) trusts God’s scheme/deceit except the nation the losers
(Quran 8:30) –
Literal: And when those who disbelieved deceive/scheme at you to affix/affirm you, or kill you, or bring you out, and they scheme/deceive , and Allah deceives/schemes and Allah (is) best (of) the deceivers/schemers.
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This, boys and girls, is a great example of someone who will not give up their cherished idiosyncrasies in spite of the facts laid out before their very eyes.markharr wrote: ↑July 26th, 2017, 8:32 amSilver wrote: ↑July 26th, 2017, 8:06 am http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/allah.html
Arabic: الله
“Allah” is the Arabic word for “God” and has been so long before the existence of Islam. The names “Allah” and “God” are generally interchangeable within the Muslim religion and in Middle Eastern cultures. Some English translations of the Qu’ran (Koran) use the name “God,” others use “Allah.” This sometimes comes as a surprise to Christians who were raised in Western cultures. Among former Muslims, many converts to Christianity commonly refer to God as “Allah.” (This is despite the fact that they recognize clear differences in the character of God as described by the Bible compared to Islamic writings. For example, although both Christians, Muslims and Jews firmly believe there is only one God, Christians have the additional doctrine of the Trinity.) (close quote from the link above)
For a quick confirmation, D&C 1:9 contains the title of God:
9 Yea, verily, to seal them up unto the day when the wrath of God shall be poured out upon the wicked without measure—
Now in D&C 1:9 in Arabic:
D_C 1_9.jpg
Allah = God in Arabic. That's it. So can we please stop this nonsensical persecution of 1.8 billion people on earth by calling God Himself the name of Lucifer? Many Muslims are descendants of our father Abraham. They are all, regardless of their genealogy, our brothers and sisters. Instead of carpet-bombing them, we should treat them kindly so they will be happy to remain in the lands of their birth.
By the way, the Arabic in the picture above comes from an official LDS website:
https://www.lds.org/bc/content/shared/c ... &clang=ara
Finally, look at "Allah" and "Elohim" and if you've been through an endowment session, think of a prayer said there. You should be able to see the connection.
Allah is translated to mean god in western cultures but that does not make it the same god that we worship, it only makes it the god of Islam and lucifer sees himself as the god of this world.
A better translation for Allah would be Dragon. Mohammed himself referred to Allah as the dragon. Look at the Islamic script for Allah
And I'm not persecuting anyone and I don't appreciate being accused of it. I have sympathy for Islamic people who were deceived by the great deceiver.
This is persecution.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/07 ... men-kenya/
Acutal text from the Quran. Does this sound like your god, or does it sound like someone else you know?
(Quran 3:54) –
Literal: And they cheated/deceived and God cheated/deceived, and God (is) the best (of) the cheaters/deceivers
( Quran 7:99 ) –
Literal: Did they secure God’s scheme/deceit ? So no(one) trusts God’s scheme/deceit except the nation the losers
(Quran 8:30) –
Literal: And when those who disbelieved deceive/scheme at you to affix/affirm you, or kill you, or bring you out, and they scheme/deceive , and Allah deceives/schemes and Allah (is) best (of) the deceivers/schemers.
The Arabic translation of the Doctrine & Covenants which Latter Day Saints accept as Gospel clearly uses the same word for God as the Muslims and here's Mark insisting it means something else. Who you gonna trust?
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Silver,Silver wrote: ↑July 26th, 2017, 8:57 am
This, boys and girls, is a great example of someone who will not give up their cherished idiosyncrasies in spite of the facts laid out before their very eyes.
The Arabic translation of the Doctrine & Covenants which Latter Day Saints accept as Gospel clearly uses the same word for God as the Muslims and here's Mark insisting it means something else. Who you gonna trust?
I understand your point of view. I appreciate your concern for other cultures and people, but you haven't convinced me.
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Facts, Mark. Believe 'em or don't. It's difficult for me to understand how you can see الله in the Doctrine & Covenants and still make those horrific claims about God.markharr wrote: ↑July 26th, 2017, 9:04 amSilver,Silver wrote: ↑July 26th, 2017, 8:57 am
This, boys and girls, is a great example of someone who will not give up their cherished idiosyncrasies in spite of the facts laid out before their very eyes.
The Arabic translation of the Doctrine & Covenants which Latter Day Saints accept as Gospel clearly uses the same word for God as the Muslims and here's Mark insisting it means something else. Who you gonna trust?
I understand your point of view. I appreciate your concern for other cultures and people, but you haven't convinced me.
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Here you go. America is good at demonizing her enemies. The Muslims just happen to be the target now.
World War I World War II Instead of loving all God's children, we make them into monsters so they're easier to drone. Besides, if they were all dead none of them would stop us from stealing their oil and other natural resources.
World War I World War II Instead of loving all God's children, we make them into monsters so they're easier to drone. Besides, if they were all dead none of them would stop us from stealing their oil and other natural resources.
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For being polar opposite, the Church sure is going out of its way to work with Muslims. What do you Muslim-haters recommend, that we excommunicate President Boyd K. Packer posthumously?markharr wrote: ↑July 25th, 2017, 11:14 am Islam is the polar opposite of the LDS church on everything. In my opinion, Allah is lucifer and Islam is his religion on this earth.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/07 ... ving-food/
https://speeches.byu.edu/talks/alwi-shi ... rstanding/
Building Bridges to Harmony Through Understanding
ALWI SHIHAB
Oct. 10, 2006
President Boyd K. Packer, Acting President of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, gave this introduction of Dr. Alwi Shihab prior to Dr. Shihab’s forum address on 10 October 2006.
Dr. Alwi Abdurrahman Shihab was born in 1946 in Sulawesa, Indonesia. He and his wife, Ashraf, who is here on the stand today, are the parents of three children. Their son, Sammy, is here. He is 11 years old.
Dr. Shihab’s significant governmental experience includes service in Indonesia’s Parliament, as Indonesia’s Minister of Foreign Affairs (equivalent to our U.S. Secretary of State), and as a key leader of Indonesia’s emergence from dictatorship to democracy.
Dr. Shihab is now Presidential Advisor and Special Envoy to the Middle East. This places him squarely in a region amid all the problems and struggles of the world.
Dr. Shihab is exceptionally accomplished. He holds five degrees (including two PhDs and a post-doctorate degree) from five universities in Egypt and the United States. He has taught or been a professor at seven universities in Indonesia and the United States. The first time I met him, he was a professor of Islamic Studies at Harvard University.
He is a world authority on Islamic law and has published widely on Islam and inter-religious harmony, including several books. A recent book was translated into English here at Brigham Young University. In that book he has a chapter on the Latter-day Saints. It is a very accurate and honest portrayal of who we are.
Ahead of us, indeed already all around us, is the world of Islam. Christianity and Islam will clasp hands in cooperation and understanding or clench fists in confrontation and prejudice.
A year or two ago, Brother Alwi and I met in San Diego. For a morning we sat, he with his Quran and I with my Book of Mormon, and compared and discussed the many things we have in common.
We have witnessed two watershed events: September 11, 2001, the World Trade Center terrorist attack brought Christians and Muslims into confrontation. The December 27, 2004, tsunami opened opportunity for Christians and Muslims to cooperate. The first was a wake-up call; the other pushed us out of bed.
The December 2004 tsunami, which devastated the Indian Ocean region, struck Indonesia particularly hard. Two days after the tsunami, I called Brother Alwi on his cell phone. He said, “I am standing at Banda Aceh, next to President Yudhoyono. You cannot believe what we see.” I told him we would help.
They first asked for 20,000 body bags. We located them in China and had them air-freighted to Jakarta. Not long after that, they asked for 30,000 more.
Shortly thereafter, Elder David A. Bednar of the Quorum of the Twelve, Dr. Gerrit Gong of Brigham Young University, and I traveled to Jakarta and then on to Banda Aceh which is on the north end of the island of Sumatra, vulnerable to the open ocean. We witnessed scenes words cannot describe. Over 200,000 were dead, families broken and dislocated, homes washed away. We saw one cemetery where 40,000 bodies had been buried.
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What a bunch of BS. No one is demonizing the Muslims through propaganda, if anything, there is a concerted effort to hide their evils and whitewash history for them. The only thing demonizing them is themselves and their own acts of barbarity.Silver wrote: ↑July 26th, 2017, 9:17 am Here you go. America is good at demonizing her enemies. The Muslims just happen to be the target now.
World War I
us_army_wwi_propaganda_recruitment_poster_german_monster.jpg
World War II
happy jap.jpg
Instead of loving all God's children, we make them into monsters so they're easier to drone. Besides, if they were all dead none of them would stop us from stealing their oil and other natural resources.
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Of course they are. That doesn't disprove anything I have pointed out, it just proves that the LDS church is Christ's church.Silver wrote: ↑July 26th, 2017, 9:22 amFor being polar opposite, the Church sure is going out of its way to work with Muslims. What do you Muslim-haters recommend, that we excommunicate President Boyd K. Packer posthumously?markharr wrote: ↑July 25th, 2017, 11:14 am Islam is the polar opposite of the LDS church on everything. In my opinion, Allah is lucifer and Islam is his religion on this earth.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/07 ... ving-food/
https://speeches.byu.edu/talks/alwi-shi ... rstanding/
Building Bridges to Harmony Through Understanding
ALWI SHIHAB
Oct. 10, 2006
President Boyd K. Packer, Acting President of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, gave this introduction of Dr. Alwi Shihab prior to Dr. Shihab’s forum address on 10 October 2006.
Dr. Alwi Abdurrahman Shihab was born in 1946 in Sulawesa, Indonesia. He and his wife, Ashraf, who is here on the stand today, are the parents of three children. Their son, Sammy, is here. He is 11 years old.
Dr. Shihab’s significant governmental experience includes service in Indonesia’s Parliament, as Indonesia’s Minister of Foreign Affairs (equivalent to our U.S. Secretary of State), and as a key leader of Indonesia’s emergence from dictatorship to democracy.
Dr. Shihab is now Presidential Advisor and Special Envoy to the Middle East. This places him squarely in a region amid all the problems and struggles of the world.
Dr. Shihab is exceptionally accomplished. He holds five degrees (including two PhDs and a post-doctorate degree) from five universities in Egypt and the United States. He has taught or been a professor at seven universities in Indonesia and the United States. The first time I met him, he was a professor of Islamic Studies at Harvard University.
He is a world authority on Islamic law and has published widely on Islam and inter-religious harmony, including several books. A recent book was translated into English here at Brigham Young University. In that book he has a chapter on the Latter-day Saints. It is a very accurate and honest portrayal of who we are.
Ahead of us, indeed already all around us, is the world of Islam. Christianity and Islam will clasp hands in cooperation and understanding or clench fists in confrontation and prejudice.
A year or two ago, Brother Alwi and I met in San Diego. For a morning we sat, he with his Quran and I with my Book of Mormon, and compared and discussed the many things we have in common.
We have witnessed two watershed events: September 11, 2001, the World Trade Center terrorist attack brought Christians and Muslims into confrontation. The December 27, 2004, tsunami opened opportunity for Christians and Muslims to cooperate. The first was a wake-up call; the other pushed us out of bed.
The December 2004 tsunami, which devastated the Indian Ocean region, struck Indonesia particularly hard. Two days after the tsunami, I called Brother Alwi on his cell phone. He said, “I am standing at Banda Aceh, next to President Yudhoyono. You cannot believe what we see.” I told him we would help.
They first asked for 20,000 body bags. We located them in China and had them air-freighted to Jakarta. Not long after that, they asked for 30,000 more.
Shortly thereafter, Elder David A. Bednar of the Quorum of the Twelve, Dr. Gerrit Gong of Brigham Young University, and I traveled to Jakarta and then on to Banda Aceh which is on the north end of the island of Sumatra, vulnerable to the open ocean. We witnessed scenes words cannot describe. Over 200,000 were dead, families broken and dislocated, homes washed away. We saw one cemetery where 40,000 bodies had been buried.
44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
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When you say 1.8 billion people are evil solely because of their religion, that's propaganda. I'm sorry you can't comprehend that.Rensai wrote: ↑July 26th, 2017, 9:26 amWhat a bunch of BS. No one is demonizing the Muslims through propaganda, if anything, there is a concerted effort to hide their evils and whitewash history for them. The only thing demonizing them is themselves and their own acts of barbarity.Silver wrote: ↑July 26th, 2017, 9:17 am Here you go. America is good at demonizing her enemies. The Muslims just happen to be the target now.
World War I
us_army_wwi_propaganda_recruitment_poster_german_monster.jpg
World War II
happy jap.jpg
Instead of loving all God's children, we make them into monsters so they're easier to drone. Besides, if they were all dead none of them would stop us from stealing their oil and other natural resources.
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Aren't you the dude who started this thread by calling Allah, Lucifer? Selective amnesia much?markharr wrote: ↑July 26th, 2017, 9:27 amOf course they are. That doesn't disprove anything I have pointed out, it just proves that the LDS church is Christ's church.Silver wrote: ↑July 26th, 2017, 9:22 amFor being polar opposite, the Church sure is going out of its way to work with Muslims. What do you Muslim-haters recommend, that we excommunicate President Boyd K. Packer posthumously?markharr wrote: ↑July 25th, 2017, 11:14 am Islam is the polar opposite of the LDS church on everything. In my opinion, Allah is lucifer and Islam is his religion on this earth.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/07 ... ving-food/
https://speeches.byu.edu/talks/alwi-shi ... rstanding/
Building Bridges to Harmony Through Understanding
ALWI SHIHAB
Oct. 10, 2006
President Boyd K. Packer, Acting President of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, gave this introduction of Dr. Alwi Shihab prior to Dr. Shihab’s forum address on 10 October 2006.
Dr. Alwi Abdurrahman Shihab was born in 1946 in Sulawesa, Indonesia. He and his wife, Ashraf, who is here on the stand today, are the parents of three children. Their son, Sammy, is here. He is 11 years old.
Dr. Shihab’s significant governmental experience includes service in Indonesia’s Parliament, as Indonesia’s Minister of Foreign Affairs (equivalent to our U.S. Secretary of State), and as a key leader of Indonesia’s emergence from dictatorship to democracy.
Dr. Shihab is now Presidential Advisor and Special Envoy to the Middle East. This places him squarely in a region amid all the problems and struggles of the world.
Dr. Shihab is exceptionally accomplished. He holds five degrees (including two PhDs and a post-doctorate degree) from five universities in Egypt and the United States. He has taught or been a professor at seven universities in Indonesia and the United States. The first time I met him, he was a professor of Islamic Studies at Harvard University.
He is a world authority on Islamic law and has published widely on Islam and inter-religious harmony, including several books. A recent book was translated into English here at Brigham Young University. In that book he has a chapter on the Latter-day Saints. It is a very accurate and honest portrayal of who we are.
Ahead of us, indeed already all around us, is the world of Islam. Christianity and Islam will clasp hands in cooperation and understanding or clench fists in confrontation and prejudice.
A year or two ago, Brother Alwi and I met in San Diego. For a morning we sat, he with his Quran and I with my Book of Mormon, and compared and discussed the many things we have in common.
We have witnessed two watershed events: September 11, 2001, the World Trade Center terrorist attack brought Christians and Muslims into confrontation. The December 27, 2004, tsunami opened opportunity for Christians and Muslims to cooperate. The first was a wake-up call; the other pushed us out of bed.
The December 2004 tsunami, which devastated the Indian Ocean region, struck Indonesia particularly hard. Two days after the tsunami, I called Brother Alwi on his cell phone. He said, “I am standing at Banda Aceh, next to President Yudhoyono. You cannot believe what we see.” I told him we would help.
They first asked for 20,000 body bags. We located them in China and had them air-freighted to Jakarta. Not long after that, they asked for 30,000 more.
Shortly thereafter, Elder David A. Bednar of the Quorum of the Twelve, Dr. Gerrit Gong of Brigham Young University, and I traveled to Jakarta and then on to Banda Aceh which is on the north end of the island of Sumatra, vulnerable to the open ocean. We witnessed scenes words cannot describe. Over 200,000 were dead, families broken and dislocated, homes washed away. We saw one cemetery where 40,000 bodies had been buried.
44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
I'm showing you that, no, Allah is not Lucifer and you waffle out with a comment on the truthfulness of the LDS church. Do you own your original claim or not?
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Re: Muslim Aid Workers Force Starving Africans to Convert to Islam Before Giving them Food
I don't see how my last post runs contrary to my original claim. Allah is lucifer. His followers are deceived. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't have compassion on them or try to help them see the truth.Silver wrote: ↑July 26th, 2017, 9:35 amAren't you the dude who started this thread by calling Allah, Lucifer? Selective amnesia much?markharr wrote: ↑July 26th, 2017, 9:27 amOf course they are. That doesn't disprove anything I have pointed out, it just proves that the LDS church is Christ's church.Silver wrote: ↑July 26th, 2017, 9:22 amFor being polar opposite, the Church sure is going out of its way to work with Muslims. What do you Muslim-haters recommend, that we excommunicate President Boyd K. Packer posthumously?markharr wrote: ↑July 25th, 2017, 11:14 am Islam is the polar opposite of the LDS church on everything. In my opinion, Allah is lucifer and Islam is his religion on this earth.
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/07 ... ving-food/
https://speeches.byu.edu/talks/alwi-shi ... rstanding/
Building Bridges to Harmony Through Understanding
ALWI SHIHAB
Oct. 10, 2006
President Boyd K. Packer, Acting President of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, gave this introduction of Dr. Alwi Shihab prior to Dr. Shihab’s forum address on 10 October 2006.
Dr. Alwi Abdurrahman Shihab was born in 1946 in Sulawesa, Indonesia. He and his wife, Ashraf, who is here on the stand today, are the parents of three children. Their son, Sammy, is here. He is 11 years old.
Dr. Shihab’s significant governmental experience includes service in Indonesia’s Parliament, as Indonesia’s Minister of Foreign Affairs (equivalent to our U.S. Secretary of State), and as a key leader of Indonesia’s emergence from dictatorship to democracy.
Dr. Shihab is now Presidential Advisor and Special Envoy to the Middle East. This places him squarely in a region amid all the problems and struggles of the world.
Dr. Shihab is exceptionally accomplished. He holds five degrees (including two PhDs and a post-doctorate degree) from five universities in Egypt and the United States. He has taught or been a professor at seven universities in Indonesia and the United States. The first time I met him, he was a professor of Islamic Studies at Harvard University.
He is a world authority on Islamic law and has published widely on Islam and inter-religious harmony, including several books. A recent book was translated into English here at Brigham Young University. In that book he has a chapter on the Latter-day Saints. It is a very accurate and honest portrayal of who we are.
Ahead of us, indeed already all around us, is the world of Islam. Christianity and Islam will clasp hands in cooperation and understanding or clench fists in confrontation and prejudice.
A year or two ago, Brother Alwi and I met in San Diego. For a morning we sat, he with his Quran and I with my Book of Mormon, and compared and discussed the many things we have in common.
We have witnessed two watershed events: September 11, 2001, the World Trade Center terrorist attack brought Christians and Muslims into confrontation. The December 27, 2004, tsunami opened opportunity for Christians and Muslims to cooperate. The first was a wake-up call; the other pushed us out of bed.
The December 2004 tsunami, which devastated the Indian Ocean region, struck Indonesia particularly hard. Two days after the tsunami, I called Brother Alwi on his cell phone. He said, “I am standing at Banda Aceh, next to President Yudhoyono. You cannot believe what we see.” I told him we would help.
They first asked for 20,000 body bags. We located them in China and had them air-freighted to Jakarta. Not long after that, they asked for 30,000 more.
Shortly thereafter, Elder David A. Bednar of the Quorum of the Twelve, Dr. Gerrit Gong of Brigham Young University, and I traveled to Jakarta and then on to Banda Aceh which is on the north end of the island of Sumatra, vulnerable to the open ocean. We witnessed scenes words cannot describe. Over 200,000 were dead, families broken and dislocated, homes washed away. We saw one cemetery where 40,000 bodies had been buried.
44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
I'm showing you that, no, Allah is not Lucifer and you waffle out with a comment on the truthfulness of the LDS church. Do you own your original claim or not?
- Rensai
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Re: Muslim Aid Workers Force Starving Africans to Convert to Islam Before Giving them Food
Yes, if only we could all become as enlightened as the great Silver. :ymsick:Silver wrote: ↑July 26th, 2017, 9:32 amWhen you say 1.8 billion people are evil solely because of their religion, that's propaganda. I'm sorry you can't comprehend that.Rensai wrote: ↑July 26th, 2017, 9:26 amWhat a bunch of BS. No one is demonizing the Muslims through propaganda, if anything, there is a concerted effort to hide their evils and whitewash history for them. The only thing demonizing them is themselves and their own acts of barbarity.Silver wrote: ↑July 26th, 2017, 9:17 am Here you go. America is good at demonizing her enemies. The Muslims just happen to be the target now.
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Instead of loving all God's children, we make them into monsters so they're easier to drone. Besides, if they were all dead none of them would stop us from stealing their oil and other natural resources.
As for your lame straw man, no one said every muslim is evil. MarkHarr said ISLAM is evil and allah is Satan. I'm sure many Muslims don't follow all the evil things it teaches, many are simply born/forced into it and probably don't really believe it, etc. These are the ones that can maybe be converted back and taught to believe in Christ. The simple facts are, ISLAM teaches things directly contradictory to what God taught in the 10 commandments and other scriptures. ISLAM engages in slavery, mutilation, jihad, murder, rape, incest, etc, and promotes a system of government that is utterly tyrannical. You cannot really defend that so you deflect with lame WW2 posters and straw man arguments using words no one actually said, all while oozing contempt for those who disagree with you.
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Re: Muslim Aid Workers Force Starving Africans to Convert to Islam Before Giving them Food
You are so wrong. Christians pray to Allah. Latter Day Saints pray to Allah. Allah simply means God in Arabic. I invite you to stop the blasphemy and to unburden yourself from your prejudice.markharr wrote: ↑July 26th, 2017, 9:40 amI don't see how my last post runs contrary to my original claim. Allah is lucifer. His followers are deceived. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't have compassion on them or try to help them see the truth.Silver wrote: ↑July 26th, 2017, 9:35 amAren't you the dude who started this thread by calling Allah, Lucifer? Selective amnesia much?markharr wrote: ↑July 26th, 2017, 9:27 amOf course they are. That doesn't disprove anything I have pointed out, it just proves that the LDS church is Christ's church.Silver wrote: ↑July 26th, 2017, 9:22 am
For being polar opposite, the Church sure is going out of its way to work with Muslims. What do you Muslim-haters recommend, that we excommunicate President Boyd K. Packer posthumously?
https://speeches.byu.edu/talks/alwi-shi ... rstanding/
Building Bridges to Harmony Through Understanding
ALWI SHIHAB
Oct. 10, 2006
President Boyd K. Packer, Acting President of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, gave this introduction of Dr. Alwi Shihab prior to Dr. Shihab’s forum address on 10 October 2006.
Dr. Alwi Abdurrahman Shihab was born in 1946 in Sulawesa, Indonesia. He and his wife, Ashraf, who is here on the stand today, are the parents of three children. Their son, Sammy, is here. He is 11 years old.
Dr. Shihab’s significant governmental experience includes service in Indonesia’s Parliament, as Indonesia’s Minister of Foreign Affairs (equivalent to our U.S. Secretary of State), and as a key leader of Indonesia’s emergence from dictatorship to democracy.
Dr. Shihab is now Presidential Advisor and Special Envoy to the Middle East. This places him squarely in a region amid all the problems and struggles of the world.
Dr. Shihab is exceptionally accomplished. He holds five degrees (including two PhDs and a post-doctorate degree) from five universities in Egypt and the United States. He has taught or been a professor at seven universities in Indonesia and the United States. The first time I met him, he was a professor of Islamic Studies at Harvard University.
He is a world authority on Islamic law and has published widely on Islam and inter-religious harmony, including several books. A recent book was translated into English here at Brigham Young University. In that book he has a chapter on the Latter-day Saints. It is a very accurate and honest portrayal of who we are.
Ahead of us, indeed already all around us, is the world of Islam. Christianity and Islam will clasp hands in cooperation and understanding or clench fists in confrontation and prejudice.
A year or two ago, Brother Alwi and I met in San Diego. For a morning we sat, he with his Quran and I with my Book of Mormon, and compared and discussed the many things we have in common.
We have witnessed two watershed events: September 11, 2001, the World Trade Center terrorist attack brought Christians and Muslims into confrontation. The December 27, 2004, tsunami opened opportunity for Christians and Muslims to cooperate. The first was a wake-up call; the other pushed us out of bed.
The December 2004 tsunami, which devastated the Indian Ocean region, struck Indonesia particularly hard. Two days after the tsunami, I called Brother Alwi on his cell phone. He said, “I am standing at Banda Aceh, next to President Yudhoyono. You cannot believe what we see.” I told him we would help.
They first asked for 20,000 body bags. We located them in China and had them air-freighted to Jakarta. Not long after that, they asked for 30,000 more.
Shortly thereafter, Elder David A. Bednar of the Quorum of the Twelve, Dr. Gerrit Gong of Brigham Young University, and I traveled to Jakarta and then on to Banda Aceh which is on the north end of the island of Sumatra, vulnerable to the open ocean. We witnessed scenes words cannot describe. Over 200,000 were dead, families broken and dislocated, homes washed away. We saw one cemetery where 40,000 bodies had been buried.
44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;
I'm showing you that, no, Allah is not Lucifer and you waffle out with a comment on the truthfulness of the LDS church. Do you own your original claim or not?
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Re: Muslim Aid Workers Force Starving Africans to Convert to Islam Before Giving them Food
I ooze contempt for your ideas and claims. If I had contempt for you, I wouldn't spit on you if you were on fire. Instead, I'm trying to help you lose your hate.Rensai wrote: ↑July 26th, 2017, 9:45 amYes, if only we could all become as enlightened as the great Silver. :ymsick:Silver wrote: ↑July 26th, 2017, 9:32 amWhen you say 1.8 billion people are evil solely because of their religion, that's propaganda. I'm sorry you can't comprehend that.Rensai wrote: ↑July 26th, 2017, 9:26 amWhat a bunch of BS. No one is demonizing the Muslims through propaganda, if anything, there is a concerted effort to hide their evils and whitewash history for them. The only thing demonizing them is themselves and their own acts of barbarity.Silver wrote: ↑July 26th, 2017, 9:17 am Here you go. America is good at demonizing her enemies. The Muslims just happen to be the target now.
World War I
us_army_wwi_propaganda_recruitment_poster_german_monster.jpg
World War II
happy jap.jpg
Instead of loving all God's children, we make them into monsters so they're easier to drone. Besides, if they were all dead none of them would stop us from stealing their oil and other natural resources.
As for your lame straw man, no one said every muslim is evil. MarkHarr said ISLAM is evil and allah is Satan. I'm sure many Muslims don't follow all the evil things it teaches, many are simply born/forced into it and probably don't really believe it, etc. These are the ones that can maybe be converted back and taught to believe in Christ. The simple facts are, ISLAM teaches things directly contradictory to what God taught in the 10 commandments and other scriptures. ISLAM engages in slavery, mutilation, jihad, murder, rape, incest, etc, and promotes a system of government that is utterly tyrannical. You cannot really defend that so you deflect with lame WW2 posters and straw man arguments using words no one actually said, all while oozing contempt for those who disagree with you.
Your simple facts are wrong.