Waking Up To Secret Combinations

For discussion of secret combinations (political, economic, spiritual, religious, etc.) (Ether 8:18-25.)
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lundbaek wrote:It would be helpful to have a quiver full of arrows to shoot at people who are not awake to the doings of the latter-day gadiantons in this time. I'd like to invite comments about the freedoms being taken away from us by the secret combinations. In other words, how are they hurting us now ? My biggest aggravation is the depreciation of our money, as caused by the Federal Reserve. Second on my list is the mass migration and amnesty for illegal immigrants fomented IMO by a secret combination to bring about the collapse of our society. Third on that list is the giving away of our national sovereignty to the United Nations and various trade agreements. Fourth is the sending of our manufacturing industries to other countries. What are the secret combinations doing that inhibit your freedoms ?
In short, throwing God into the garbage, giving Satan full power to control his puppets without resistance from so-called Americans, whatever that means in today's moral status.

I can fully understand the meaning to the word "wrath" with regard to Jesus and the day he comes and sweeps wickedness from the land. Won't be a pretty sight, either. And what will be very joyous to see who is standing in the end, and knowing these were the more righteous, like in 3 Nephi.

I imagine that the events that take place will make anything we've ever seen that scares the wadding out of us will appear as child's play compared to the devastation and destruction caused at Christ's appearance. Even the stars will take off from fear, and the sun will refuse to shine.

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lundbaek wrote:Time for a reminder, and for new members of the forum.
An LDS Perspective on Conspiracy

Most of us seem content to accept the world largely in the way it is presented to us by what passes as the mainstream of society. Conspiracy, despite its overwhelming historical precedence, is often dismissed as non-existent or, at best, limited to small or foreign groups [1].
Consequently, when a discussion in a Church class arises upon the subject of secret combinations, such organizations as the Mafia, Ku Klux Klan and terrorist groups often end up on the blackboard.
While it is true, no doubt, that many of these groups conspire, and some do great evil, do they actually fit the full description of what we know about secret combinations? In trying to answer this we need to understand what the scriptures tell us about such oath-bound societies, as well as review the words of Church leaders on the issue.

What Do The Scriptures Teach Us About Secret Combinations? Secret combinations existed both in the Old and New World in ancient times. Below is a list of some of the things we learn from the scriptures concerning the nature, purpose and methods of these secret combinations:
1. Cain founded the first secret combination and became known as Master Mahan.[2]This title and the oaths and covenants were passed down to subsequent leaders of the secret combination (Moses 5: 31, 49;Helaman 6:30).
2. Secret combinations are “most abominable and wicked above all” in the sight of God (see Ether 8:18).
3. Secret combinations are Satanic in nature, receiving revelation from, and being founded and held up by, the devil (Moses 5:29–30; 2 Nephi 26:22; Helaman 6:26; 3 Nephi 6:28; Ether 8:16, 25) who transforms himself into an angel of light and stirs up men to contention whereby wickedness and thus secret combinations increase (2 Nephi 9:9; Helaman 6:21; 3 Nephi 7:7).
4. Secret combinations administer secret ancient oaths handed down from Cain (Ether 8:15–16), taken by swearing by the God of heaven, the heavens, the earth, the throat and the head (Moses 5:29–30;Ether 8:13–14).
5. The manner of their oaths and combinations are had among all people (Ether 8:20).
6. Secret combinations have secret signs and words (Helaman 6:22), protect one another (Helaman 6:21, 23), and mingle into society in a manner whereby they cannot be found (Helaman 1:12).
7. Members of secret combinations are punished by the combination if they reveal the wickedness of their co-conspirators (Helaman 6:24; Ether 8:14).
8. One of the purposes of secret combinations is to murder (Moses 5:31; Helaman 2:8); they also seek to murder the prophets of God (Alma 37:30). These combinations cause slaughter (3 Nephi 1:27, 2:11), war and millions of deaths; the Jaredites and Nephites being destroyed because of them (Helaman 2:13–14;Ether 8:21).
9. Secret combinations are established to rob and get gain (Moses 5:31; Helaman 2:8). The Book of Mormon refers to them as “robbers” over fifty times, which suggest that theft was their chief activity or the activity for which they were most notorious.
10. Gadianton Robbers prefer to plunder rather than working for themselves (3 Nephi 4:1–5).
11. Members of secret combinations regard each other as brethren and appear to have a communal attitude toward property (3 Nephi 3:6–7).
12. The teachings and practices of the robbers are tempting and corrupt the hearts of the people as they spread, eventually even seducing most of the righteous into believing in their works, partaking of their spoils, and even becoming involved in their secret murders and combinations (Helaman 6:38; Ether 9:6).
13. Pride, the desire for money, and seeking the praise of man make people susceptible to uniting with secret combinations; such go on to murder, plunder, and bear false witness against their neighbor (Helaman 7:21, 25–26).
14. Secret combinations help those who seek for power to gain power as well as to murder, plunder, lie and commit wickedness and whoredoms (Ether 8:16).
15. Secret combinations keep the people in darkness (Ether 8:16) and use fair promises to lead people away (Ether 8:17).
16. Secret combinations flourished first in the more settled parts of the land (Helaman 3:23) and among the wicked (Helaman 6:38; 4 Nephi 1:42).
17. One of the purposes of secret combinations is to gain power (Helaman 2:8; Ether 8:23, 11:15) by usurping power and authority over the people (Helaman 7:4). They seek to gain sole power over the government and, in the Book of Mormon, were successful in doing so (Helaman 6:39).
18. Secret combinations retain power so that they and their supporters may get gain and glory, and so that they may more easily steal, commit adultery, kill and do according to their own will (Helaman 7:5).
19. Secret combinations break the laws of God and the laws of their country (Helaman 6:23).
20. Secret combinations stir up rebellion (Ether 11:15) and dissent, and use lies and flattery to lead people to join with them (3 Nephi 1:28–29), targeting the rising generation (3 Nephi 1:29–30).
21. The members of secret combinations believe their secret works and society to be good (3 Nephi 3:9).
22. Secret combinations pretend to act on behalf of their people in reclaiming their rights (3 Nephi 3:10), believing they have been wronged and hating the righteous (3 Nephi 3:4).
23. Secret combinations seek to overthrow government (3 Nephi 7:6), establish kings – or oligarchies (see Mosiah 29:21–22) – and destroy the liberty of a republic (3 Nephi 6:30, 7:10); the king-men believe they have the blood of nobility (Alma 51:21).
24. Secret combinations, once in government, lay aside the commandments of God, corrupt righteous laws, and administer no justice to the people (Mosiah 29:22; Helaman 7:4), condemning the righteous for their righteousness, allowing the guilty to go free because of their money (Helaman 7:5).
25. Secret combinations shed the blood of the saints and oppress them (Helaman 6:39; 3 Nephi 6:29;Ether 8:22), threatening not only the rights and liberty of the people but also the Church (3 Nephi 2:12).
26. When any society has suffered such combinations to spread over them they will be destroyed (Ether 8:22).
27. One of the purposes of the Book of Mormon is to show us the work of ancient secret combination so that we may repent and suffer not that these same murderous combinations should get above us (Ether 8:23), and that we should awake to a sense of our awful situation when we see these things among us (Ether 8:24).
28. Speaking of a secret combination built up by the devil, the master of lies, in our day, the Book of Mormon tells us that those who build it up do so to overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations and countries (Ether 8:25).
29. In the last days the gentiles shall build up secret combinations which shall spill the blood of the saints and seek to destroy the people (2 Nephi 26:22; Ether 8:25; Mormon 8:27).
30. Preaching the word of God destroys secret combinations (Helaman 6:37).

What Have Church Leaders Said About Secret Combinations? What do we know about secret combinations from latter-day prophets, seers and revelators? It’s interesting in reading these how they generally give a very different view than the one commonly held by members of the Church. The following quotations are in chronological order (titles added):
§ A secret band will sap the strength of America in the last days
“I have seen the end of this nation and it is terrible. I will tell you in the name of the LORD that a secret band will sap the life of this nation.”(Moses Thatcher, from an address given at the Franklin Ward, Franklin, Idaho, June 16, 1882 and entered into the Historical Record thereof)
§ We are in the midst of great propaganda and even the elect are being deceived
“We are in the midst of the greatest exhibition of propaganda that the world has ever seen. Just do not believe all you read or hear. The elect are being deceived.” (J. Reuben Clark, Conference Report, October 1941)
§ A global tyranny to be established by stealth in the last days
“Satan…[plans] to destroy liberty and freedom ~ economic, political, and religious, and to set up in place thereof the greatest, most widespread, and most complete tyranny that has ever oppressed men. He is working under such perfect disguise that many do not recognize either him or his methods.” (First Presidency, General Conference, October 1942)
§ Modern-day Gadiantons being blindly elected/appointed to government
“The Gadianton Robbers from the Book of Mormon are loose among us. The King-men, and women, are running our government. And, worst of all, we are blindly electing them, or appointing them so they can continue to destroy the things we cherish most.” (John Widtsoe, General Conference, April 1944)
§ Government & Church to suffer “vacant places” due to the Conspiracy
“If the conspiracy comes here it will probably come in its full vigor and there will be a lot of vacant places among those who guide and direct, not only this government, but also this Church of ours.” (J. Reuben Clark, Conference Report, April 1944)
§ Satan has control now and is guiding the governments of the world
“Satan has control now. No matter where you look, he is in control, even in our own land. He is guiding the governments as far as the Lord will permit him. That is why there is so much strife, turmoil, confusion all over the earth. One master mind is governing the nations. It is not the President of the United States…it is not the king or government of England or any other land; it is Satan himself.” (Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. 3, pp. 314-315)
§ Socialism-communism is a conspiracy
“…we should accept the command of the Lord and treat socialistic communism as the tool of Satan. We should follow the counsel of the President of the Church and resist the influence and policies of the socialist-communist conspiracy wherever they are found–in the schools, in the churches, in governments, in unions, in businesses, in agriculture.” (Ezra Taft Benson, Conference, October 1961)
§ A vast, worldwide secret combination to seek to overthrow all lands
“Concerning the United States, the Lord revealed to his prophets that its greatest threat would be a vast, worldwide ‘secret combination’ which would not only threaten the United States but also seek to ‘overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations…’(Ether 8:25)” (Ezra Taft Benson, Conference, October 1961)
§ A deliberate conspiracy to destroy the U.S. Constitution exists
“And do not think that these usurpations, intimidations, and impositions are being done to us through inadvertence or mistake; The whole course is deliberately planned and carried out; its purpose is to destroy the Constitution and our constitutional government; then to bring chaos, out of which the new Statism with its slavery is to arise, with a cruel, relentless, selfish, ambitious crew in the saddle, riding hard with whip and spur, a red-shrouded band of night riders for despotism.” (J. Reuben Clark, jr.,Church News, September 25, 1949)
§ Socialist-communist conspiracy at work both at home and abroad
“Our priceless heritage is threatened today as never before in our lifetime: from without by the forces of Godless Communism, and at home by our complacency and by the insidious forces of the Socialist-Communist conspiracy, with the help of those who would abandon the ancient landmarks set by our fathers and take us down the road to destruction. It was Alexander Hamilton who warned that ‘nothing is more common than for a free people, in times of heat and violence, to gratify momentary passions, by letting into the government, principles and precedents which afterwards prove fatal to themselves.’ (Alexander Hamilton and the Founding of the Nation, p. 462.)” (Ezra Taft Benson, General Conference, April 1968)
§ There is no conspiracy theory in the Book of Mormon
“This most correct book on earth states that the downfall of two great American civilizations came as a result of secret conspiracies whose desire was to overthrow the freedom of the people. “And they have caused the destruction of this people of whom I am now speaking,” says Moroni, “and also the destruction of the people of Nephi.” (Eth. 8:21.) Now undoubtedly Moroni could have pointed out many factors undoubtedly Moroni could have pointed out many factors that led to the destruction of the people, but notice how he singled out the secret combinations, just as the Church today could point out many threats to peace, prosperity, and the spread of God’s work, but it has singled out the greatest threat as the great conspiracy. There is no conspiracy theory in the Book of Mormon –it is a conspiracy fact. And along this line I would highly recommend to you the book None Dare Call It Conspiracy by Gary Allen.” (Ezra Taft Benson, General Conference, April 1972; book recommendation added by Ezra Taft Benson during talk after he discovered a Russian delegation was in attendance. Not included in the prepared or text archives of the talk).
§ Modern founders of secret works arose about same time as Restoration
“It is well to ask, what system [referring to Isaiah 29:15–16] established secret works of darkness to overthrow nations by violent revolution? Who blasphemously proclaimed the atheistic doctrine that God made us not? Satan works through human agents. We need only look to some of the ignoble characters in human history who were contemporary to the restoration of the gospel to discover fulfillment of Isaiah’s prophecy. I refer to the infamous founders of Communism and others who follow in their tradition…” (Ezra Taft Benson, A Witness and a Warning, Conference, October 1979)
§ Gadianton robbers fills the seats in many governments
“Gadianton robbers fill the judgement seats in many nations. An evil power seeks to overthrow the freedom of all nations and countries.” (Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, speaking in the April 1980 General Conference)
§ We must recognize, address and quit building up secret combinations
“…the Book of Mormon exposes the enemies of Christ. It confounds false doctrines and lays down contention. (See 2 Ne. 3:12.) It fortifies the humble followers of Christ against the evil designs, strategies, and doctrines of the devil in our day. The type of apostates in the Book of Mormon are similar to the type we have today. God, with his infinite foreknowledge, so molded the Book of Mormon that we might see the error and know how to combat false educational, political, religious, and philosophical concepts of our time…Now, we have not been using the Book of Mormon as we should. Our homes are not as strong unless we are using it to bring our children to Christ. Our families may be corrupted by worldly trends and teachings unless we know how to use the book to expose and combat falsehoods in socialism, rationalism, etc…The situation in the world will continue to degenerate unless we read and heed the words of God and quit building up and upholding secret combinations, which the Book of Mormon tells us proved the downfall of ancient civilizations.” (Ezra Taft Benson, First Presidency Message, Ensign, January 1988).
§ A specific secret combination is increasing its global dominion
“[Wickedness] is more highly organized, more cleverly disguised, and more powerfully promoted than ever before. Secret combinations lusting for power, gain, and glory are flourishing. A secret combination that seeks to overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations, and countries is increasing its evil influence and control over America and the entire world.” (Ezra Taft Benson, I Testify, Conference, October 1988).
§ Modern-day Gadianton Robbers seek to bring down the Church, woo the people with sophistry and take control of society
“It is the terrorist organizations that must be ferreted out and brought down. We of this Church know something of such groups. The Book of Mormon speaks of the Gadianton robbers, a vicious, oath-bound, and secret organization bent on evil and destruction. In their day they did all in their power, by whatever means available, to bring down the Church, to woo the people with sophistry, and to take control of the society. We see the same thing in the present situation.” (Gordon B. Hinckley, General Conference, October, 2001)
§ Evil schemers promote heavy taxation, false promises, loose morals, war
“The Book of Mormon narrative is a chronicle of nations long since gone. But in its descriptions of the problems of today’s society, it is as current as the morning newspaper and much more definitive, inspired, and inspiring concerning the solutions of those problems. I know of no other writing which sets forth with such clarity the tragic consequences to societies that follow courses contrary to the commandments of God. Its pages trace the stories of two distinct civilizations that flourished on the Western Hemisphere. Each began as a small nation, its people walking in the fear of the Lord. But with prosperity came growing evils. The people succumbed to the wiles of ambitious and scheming leaders who oppressed them with burdensome taxes, who lulled them with hollow promises, who countenanced and even encouraged loose and lascivious living. These evil schemers led the people into terrible wars that resulted in the death of millions and the final and total extinction of two great civilizations in two different eras.” (Gordon B. Hinckley, First Presidency Message, Ensign, August 2005)
Most excellent, lundbaek. Thanks for sharing.

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I have been thinking today of the article by President Boyd K. Packer in the August 2010 Ensign, in which he stated on Pg. 23: "We live in a time of war, that spiritual war that will never end. Moroni warned us that the secret combinations begun by Gadianton “are had among all people. . . ..Wherefore, O ye Gentiles [and the term gentile in that place in the Book of Mormon refers to us in our generation], it is wisdom in God that these things should be shown unto you, that thereby ye may repent of your sins, and suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you. . . ..Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination which shall be among you. [Ether 8:20, 23–24]

This is, as far as I know, the last mention of a "secret combination" to the Church members by a general authority. And it did give us pretty specific direction. That was six years ago. For much of today I have been pondering about what I can do about the subject secret combination. The commandments given us by a latter-day prophet 29 years ago might have made a difference at that time; might have repaired our awful situation if acted seriously on by enough Church members to start with. But at the moment it seems hopeless, other than to prepare as we have been told by prophets and apostles.

I still have hope that efforts to educate people in the principles of the US Constitution will prepare a remnant that will be ready and able to restore them to government at a more opportune time in future. And it is to this end that I find myself striving, together with a few others of like mind.

I appreciate the interest taken in this topic by some members of this forum. Thanks.

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Two thousand years ago, these words were recorded:
3 Nephi 8:
23 And it came to pass that it did last for the space of three days that there was no light seen; and there was great mourning and howling and weeping among all the people continually; yea, great were the groanings of the people, because of the darkness and the great destruction which had come upon them.

24 And in one place they were heard to cry, saying: O that we had repented before this great and terrible day, and then would our brethren have been spared, and they would not have been burned in that great city Zarahemla.

25 And in another place they were heard to cry and mourn, saying: O that we had repented before this great and terrible day, and had not killed and stoned the prophets, and cast them out; then would our mothers and our fair daughters, and our children have been spared, and not have been buried up in that great city Moronihah. And thus were the howlings of the people great and terrible.

The anguish felt then will be repeated in our day for the sins of the modern world and for the loss of our precious freedoms.

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larsenb wrote:Just re-posting what Newt Gingrich has to say about Donald Trump regarding secret societies:

Newt Gingrich is apparently acting as a supporter of Trump in an unofficial capacity.

From InfoWars.com, but also in other locations: http://www.infowars.com/gingrich-establ ... t-society/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
“Former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich told Fox News’ Bill O’Reilly last night that the establishment is scared of Donald Trump because he “didn’t belong to a secret society” and wasn’t involved in any of the rituals associated with such groups.

Discussing Mitt Romney’s anti-Trump speech yesterday, Gingrich said it represented “the panic of the establishment wing of the (Republican) Party,” and that the prospect of Trump becoming the nominee “absolutely drives them crazy”.

When asked why, Gingrich responded, “Well because he’s an outsider, he’s not them, he’s not part of the club, he’s uncontrollable, he hasn’t been through the initiation rites, he didn’t belong to the secret society.
Now you could make the case that he has associated with and perhaps been photographed with and plays golf with people who do belong to secret societies or are on the dark side to varying degrees. But how much of this is just guilt by association. If you are doing high-profile business in New York and surrounds and dealing with casinos, etc., probably hard not mingle with some of these people. Probably unavoidable.

However, to be fair, you would have to list all the people he has done business with who aren't notorious, are not in secret societies, have no Mafia ties, etc, to give a more rounded view of the man and his associations.

Gingrich's comment is interesting to me primarily because he strongly hints that secret societies/combinations are a decisive factor in our present day society and political world. First time I've really heard this kind of thing from a very well known anybody.
How would Newt know? And if he does why would he spout off about it?

Your right though in that Trump...in the nature of his respective businesses would intermingle closely with that crowd...and appears to have done so very successfully...from mafia and gambling to mainstream media entertainment to global business enterprises.

Lolitta Express?

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Anyone have this book? I do but have not read it. Any comments on it after reading it?


Secret Combinations Today: A Voice of Warning

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I have it. It's full of useful quotes, many of which you're probably quite familiar. However, as you already know, quotes, even from the Prophets, don't necessarily spark members to action.

Chapter 7, Secret Combinations and Money in the US, is a good place to start those who have no idea about the evil origins and purposes of the Federal Reserve.

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"This book is essential for these perilous times! It sounds the warning trumpet, alerting the Saints to imminent dangers that are rapidly crescendoing in their severity. First, the secret combinations of old, using the Book of Mormon account of Korihor as a model is examined. Teachings, tactics, methods and practices of these ancient groups are analyzed and a model is developed which can be used to identify similar organizations that exist today. Shifting the focus to the present, warnings concerning the individual and the family are presented. Next, the view widens to the citizens of the United States. Then the panorama is broadened again to get a worldwide perspective. The book warns of conspiracies on the individual level, related to sexual perversions, homosexuality, abortion, pornography, drugs and Satan worship. At the family level, attacks on family unity and the traditional nuclear family are discussed. Challenges to parenting, child and spouse abuse, and problems in moderns education are illuminated. Terrorism, organized crime, gangs and political corruption are discussed on a broader level. Significant questions about the nation's vulnerability in connection with its monetary policies and serious indebtedness are raised. The history of the Federal Reserve System is examined. The way taxes are used to control the people and the pulpits of the nation is exposed. Opposing views concerning the sanctity and instrumentality of the U.S. Constitution are also presented. On an international level, the warning cry is raised concerning the rapid move toward one world government. This movement's impact is examined in therms of international finance and banking, environmental concerns, population control, youth education, control of civil unrest and the right to bear arms, and international control of religion. The final chapter is a series of recommendations to individual latter-day Saints suggesting appropriate ways to work towards the preservation of their freedoms. Surely, no book can be no more appropriate for these tumultuous last days that Secret Combinations Today: A Voice of Warning."

The fact that it comes from a latter-day apostle might make it more credible to some Latter-day Saints.

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lundbaek wrote:"This book is essential for these perilous times! It sounds the warning trumpet, alerting the Saints to imminent dangers that are rapidly crescendoing in their severity. First, the secret combinations of old, using the Book of Mormon account of Korihor as a model is examined. Teachings, tactics, methods and practices of these ancient groups are analyzed and a model is developed which can be used to identify similar organizations that exist today. Shifting the focus to the present, warnings concerning the individual and the family are presented. Next, the view widens to the citizens of the United States. Then the panorama is broadened again to get a worldwide perspective. The book warns of conspiracies on the individual level, related to sexual perversions, homosexuality, abortion, pornography, drugs and Satan worship. At the family level, attacks on family unity and the traditional nuclear family are discussed. Challenges to parenting, child and spouse abuse, and problems in moderns education are illuminated. Terrorism, organized crime, gangs and political corruption are discussed on a broader level. Significant questions about the nation's vulnerability in connection with its monetary policies and serious indebtedness are raised. The history of the Federal Reserve System is examined. The way taxes are used to control the people and the pulpits of the nation is exposed. Opposing views concerning the sanctity and instrumentality of the U.S. Constitution are also presented. On an international level, the warning cry is raised concerning the rapid move toward one world government. This movement's impact is examined in therms of international finance and banking, environmental concerns, population control, youth education, control of civil unrest and the right to bear arms, and international control of religion. The final chapter is a series of recommendations to individual latter-day Saints suggesting appropriate ways to work towards the preservation of their freedoms. Surely, no book can be no more appropriate for these tumultuous last days that Secret Combinations Today: A Voice of Warning."

The fact that it comes from a latter-day apostle might make it more credible to some Latter-day Saints.
Thanks, Lundbaek.

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I goofed. The book "Secret Combinations Today: A Voice of Warning" is written by Robert E. Hales, not Robert D. Hales, the Apostle. I should have checked that carefully. It makes no sense to me that an apostle would publish a book or give a talk that would expose the secret combinations. No prophet or apostle has ever done that to my knowledge. To do so would provoke retribution against the Church that would seriously hinder its main mission of promoting the gospel of Jesus the Christ.

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lundbaek wrote:I goofed. The book "Secret Combinations Today: A Voice of Warning" is written by Robert E. Hales, not Robert D. Hales, the Apostle. I should have checked that carefully. It makes no sense to me that an apostle would publish a book or give a talk that would expose the secret combinations. No prophet or apostle has ever done that to my knowledge. To do so would provoke retribution against the Church that would seriously hinder its main mission of promoting the gospel of Jesus the Christ.
Whoops! Don't you ever make any more mistakes, and go into a corner for time out. :ymhug:
Actually, I think I failed to give the author's name. This was my bad. However, I'm still curious if anyone has read the book, if it is similar to all the other books written about the Constitution and all the pros and cons of upholding it these days, if you will.
Thanks for clarifying, Lundbaek.

PS Perhaps I need to read it and make a book report on it, huh? :D

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I have ordered the book and plan to start reading first about the latter-day secret combinations. That's what an ancient prophet told us to awake to and what latter-day prophets warned us about.

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lundbaek wrote:I have ordered the book and plan to start reading first about the latter-day secret combinations. That's what an ancient prophet told us to awake to and what latter-day prophets warned us about.
I ordered a copy as well...thank you freedomforall for the heads up!

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Jack Monnett History of Secret Combinations - BYU Freedom Society
Listen for Dr Steven Jone's names being mentioned.

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Secret Combination Movie
Harold B. Lee on Liberal Mormons

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I use to also believe the typical mafia, gangs, KKK as the secret societies, until several years ago when my eyes were open. Thanks, lundbaek for a great post.

I also believe the brethren to carefully choose their words, because they can't come straight out and proclaim X or Y to be secret societies etc. We are to see them for who they are and open our eyes to our awful situation. I caught on to President Nelson's talk this past general conference..."As conflicts between nations escalate, as cowardly terrorists prey on the innocent, and as corruption in everything from business to government becomes increasingly commonplace, what can help us? What can help each of us with our personal struggles and with the rigorous challenge of living in these latter days?" I knew what he was referring to when talking about "corruption in everything from business to government." Many would choose to believe, NOT in OUR country, but atlas it IS our country.

What was once secret and hidden is becoming more and more open and brazen.

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Gavin says just what I think and feel. If Trump does what he says about making America great again, I'll root for him.

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Evil combinations at work?

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BREAKING NEWS: WASHINGTON POST NOW CONFIRMS DHS HACKED ELECTION IN 20 DIFFERENT STATES

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Subject: A permanent Muslim refugee crisis?

Excellent article that hits on the sad truth. This is a pragmatic overview of what appears to be an insoluble problem affecting much of the world as we know it today.

Forget the Syrian Civil War for a moment. Even without the Sunnis and Shiites competing to give each other machete haircuts every sunny morning, there would still be a permanent Muslim refugee crisis.

The vast majority of civil wars over the last ten years have taken place in Muslim countries. Muslim countries are also some of the poorest in the world. And Muslim countries also have high birth rates.

Combine violence and poverty with a population boom and you get a permanent migration crisis.

No matter what happens in Syria or Libya next year, that permanent migration crisis isn’t going away.

The Muslim world is expanding unsustainably. In the Middle East and Asia, Muslims tend to underperform their non-Muslim neighbors both educationally and economically. Oil is the only asset that gave Muslims any advantage and in the age of fracking, its value is a lot shakier than it used to be.

The Muslim world had lost its old role as the intermediary between Asia and the West. And it has no economic function in the new world except to blackmail it by spreading violence and instability.

Muslim countries with lower literacy rates, especially for women, are never going to be economic winners at any trade that doesn’t come gushing out of the ground. Nor will unstable dictatorships ever be able to provide social mobility or access to the good life. At best they’ll hand out subsidies for bread.

The Muslim world has no prospects for getting any better. The Arab Spring was a Western delusion.

Growing populations divided along tribal and religious lines are competing for a limited amount of land, power and wealth. Countries without a future are set to double in size.

There are only two solutions; war or migration.

Either you fight and take what you want at home. Or you go abroad and take what you want there.

Let’s assume that the Iraq War had never happened. How would a religiously and ethnically divided Iraq have managed its growth from 13 million in the eighties to 30 million around the Iraq War to 76 million in 2050?

The answer is a bloody civil war followed by genocide, ethnic cleansing and migration.

What’s happening now would have happened anyway. It was already happening under Saddam Hussein.

Baghdad has one of the highest population densities in the world. And it has no future. The same is true across the region. The only real economic plan anyone here has is to get money from the West.

Plan A for getting money out of the West is creating a crisis that will force it to intervene. That can mean anything from starting a war to aiding terrorists that threaten the West. Muslim countries keep shooting themselves in the foot so that Westerners will rush over to kiss the booboo and make it better.

Plan B is to move to Europe.

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And Plan B is a great plan. It’s the only real economic plan that works. At least until the West runs out of native and naïve Westerners who foot the bill for all the migrants, refugees and outright settlers.

For thousands of dollars, a Middle Eastern Muslim can pay to be smuggled into Europe. It’s a small investment with a big payoff. Even the lowest tier welfare benefits in Sweden are higher than the average salary in a typical Muslim migrant nation. And Muslim migrants are extremely attuned to the payoffs. It’s why they clamor to go to Germany or Sweden, not Greece or Slovakia. And it’s why they insist on big cities with an existing Muslim social welfare infrastructure, not some rural village.

A Muslim migrant is an investment for an entire extended family. Once the young men get their papers, family reunification begins. That doesn’t just mean every extended family member showing up and demanding their benefits. It also means that the family members will be selling access to Europe to anyone who can afford it. Don’t hike or raft your way to Europe. Mohammed or Ahmed will claim that you’re a family member. Or temporarily marry you so you can bring your whole extended family along.

Mohammed gets paid. So does Mo’s extended family which brokers these transactions. Human trafficking doesn’t just involve rafts. It’s about having the right family connections.

And all that is just the tip of a very big business iceberg.

Where do Muslim migrants come up with a smuggling fee that amounts to several years of salary for an average worker? Some come from wealthy families. Others are sponsored by crime networks and family groups that are out to move everything from drugs to weapons to large numbers of people into Europe.

Large loans will be repaid as the new migrants begin sending their new welfare benefits back home. Many will be officially unemployed even while unofficially making money through everything from slave labor to organized crime. European authorities will blame their failure to participate in the job market on racism rather than acknowledging that they exist within the confines of an alternate economy.

It’s not only individuals or families who can pursue Plan B. Turkey wants to join the European Union. It’s one solution for an Islamist populist economy built on piles of debt. The EU has a choice between dealing with the stream of migrants from Turkey moving to Europe. Or all of Turkey moving into Europe.

The West didn’t create this problem. Its interventions, however misguided, attempted to manage it.

Islamic violence is not a response to Western colonialism. Not only does it predate it, but as many foreign policy experts are so fond of pointing out, its greatest number of casualties are Muslims. The West did not create Muslim dysfunction. And it is not responsible for it. Instead the dysfunction of the Muslim world keeps dragging the West in. Every Western attempt to ameliorate it, from humanitarian aid to peacekeeping operations, only opens up the West to take the blame for Islamic dysfunction.

The permanent refugee crisis is a structural problem caused by the conditions of the Muslim world.

The West can’t solve the crisis at its source. Only Muslims can do that. And there are no easy answers. But the West can and should avoid being dragged down into the black hole of Muslim dysfunction.

Even Germany’s Merkel learned that the number of refugees is not a finite quantity that can be relieved with a charitable gesture. It’s the same escalating number of people that will show up if you start throwing bags of money out of an open window. And it’s a number that no country can absorb.

Muslim civil wars will continue even if the West never intervenes in them because their part of the world is fundamentally unstable. These conflicts will lead to the displacement of millions of people. But even without violence, economic opportunism alone will drive millions to the West. And those millions carry with them the dysfunction of their culture that will make them a burden and a threat.

If Muslims can’t reconcile their conflicts at home, what makes us think that they will reconcile them in Europe? Instead of resolving their problems through migration, they only export them to new shores. The same outbursts of Islamic violence, xenophobia, economic malaise and unsustainable growth follow them across seas and oceans, across continents and countries. Distance is no answer. Travel is no cure.

Solving Syria will solve nothing. The Muslim world is full of fault lines. It’s growing and it’s running out of room to grow. We can’t save Muslims from themselves. We can only save ourselves from their violence.

The permanent Muslim refugee crisis will never stop being our crisis unless we close the door.
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Fortunately, it is not just me that recognizes that the immigration crises, both in the mid-East and at the U.S.'s southern border, have been engineered and are being used, at least in part, to undermine Western culture, Western economies, national sovereignty, and even nationhood, in order to promote/advance what globalists call "global governance" and their "new world order". I wish more Americans understood that.

Unfortunately, the people who should be most aware of this conspiracy (maybe they would better understand the term "secret combination") are generally oblivious to it, and in some cases assisting it.

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Obama gets into White House due to brain dead American and news media? Wow! How?

SHOCK INTELL! Is Barack Obama Really A Saudi / Muslim "Plant" in the White House?

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Talk about the Constitution, this man knows his 1789 Constitution and uses that knowledge against the court system that uses "sea laws" against "We The People." Watch and listen closely. I declare...WOW!

This man's knowledge is worth admiration and his stance against courtroom barbarism respected, learned and espoused.

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None Dare Call It Conspiracy

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I have a small booklet or brochure entitled "The Book of Mormon and MODERN Secret Combinations, published by DEFENDING UTAH. ORG. On Page 1: "The subject of secret combinations in the Book of Mormon occurs every 1.2 pages of text. There are some 442 verses, that in their context, deal with this topic. In fact, the topic of Secret Combinations in mentioned more than any other subject with the exception of our Savior and His Atonement for us.In making the record of the Jaredite people and the Secret combinations among them, Moroni takes some time out to speak directly to us in OUR DAY."
"Wherefore, O ye Gentiles, it is wisdom in God that these things should be shown unto you, that thereby ye may repent of your sins, and suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you, which are built uup to get power and gain - and...the sword of justice of the Eternal God shall fall upon you, to your overthrow and destruction if ye shall suffer these things to be." (Ether 8:23)

A few statements on this subject that some might not be aware of:

Barry Goldwater, in his book With No Apologies , wrote: "Rear Admiral Chester Ward, USN (Ret'd), who was a member of the CFR for sixteen years, has written The most powerful clique in these elitist groups have one objective in common - they want to bring about the surrender of the sovereignty and the national independence of the United States. Their goal is to impose a benign stability on the quarreling family of nations through merger and consolidation. They see the elimination of national boundaries, the suppression of racial and ethnic loyalties as the most expeditious avenue to world peace." Pg. 278

"There also exists another alliance - at first glance a strange one...the alliance between our Communist leaders and your capitalists. This alliance in not new...We observe continuous and steady support by the businessmen of the West of the Soviet Communist leaders." (Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, in a 30 June 1975 speech at the Washington D.C. Hilton,)

"Actually, what we are witnessing is a very carefully and methodically executed program designed to destroy constitutional government as we have known it and make a shambles of the society which has wanted to keep the Constitution alive. Only then can a highly centralized, socialist state be established." (Dr. W. Cleon Skousen, "The Naked Capitalist", Pg. 115).

"There seemed to be no lengths to which some American officials would not go in aiding Russia to master the secret of nuclear fission." (Major George Racey Jordan, one of the WW2 Lend-Lease expediters, then a U.S. Army Air force Major, "From Major Jordan’s Diaries" Pg.96 )

"There is a sinister influence at work in our country, which if it is not checked, intends to completely undermine the original purpose of the formation of our government...and to bring all the world into one control and one system, which for purposes of deception of the plain people, they would call a ‘world democracy’, but which in fact it is their plan to make the rule of the wealth grabbers, maintained by simple organization of themselves and disorganization of the masses, pitting the masses against each other... The few now desire to cut off every possible avenue of escape from industrial slavery for the masses.” –Senator Charles A. Lindbergh Sr., in a speech given July 5, 1916

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freedomforall wrote:Gavin says just what I think and feel. If Trump does what he says about making America great again, I'll root for him.
I disagree. The Constitution only applies to citizens. People need to understand this principle

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