TRUMP.

[samizdat]

He was pretty clear about what he said.

The only thing clear for you is what you heard. I asked for you to post the quotes. Of the ones I have read, none of them say what you heard.

Do we punish everyone for the sins of a few? Do we break up families because some are illegal? Or do we try an approach where we are more humane, have them pay fines for entering illegally, and have them pay back taxes as well? I prefer the more humane option.

Everyone should be punished for their own transgression. Whoever said otherwise? The adjective illegal indicates something here...

It is the illegal immigrant families who are breaking themselves up. When you decide to do something illegal, this is the risk you take. They can all go live in Mexico together as one happy family if they so choose. Why is it suddenly the US govt responsibility to make sure criminals are allowed to live together with their families in the place of the criminals choosing? Don't you hold people accountable for their own actions?

Except they can't. I noticed you ignored the hard working aspects of these immigrants that come across the border and that tend to be conservative religiously speaking (vast majority Catholic or Evangelical, a few Mormons mixed in there too). You also ignore the fact that many of those that DO cross in the manner that they do cross because they have NO other available options (no money, no local opprotunities, no assistance, etc). Getting a visa costs time and money, money which these people jumping or tunneling across do not have.

The Mexican culture comes from a rich influence of Spanish and prehispanic influences, cultures that DID have something to do with morals back in the day despite what we read in the history books. The Spanish killed some indigenous folks and intermarried with the others. The Aztec and Maya didn't die off. They just simply mixed with the Spanish.

And in that culture, you have the idea of the SPIRIT of the Law over the LETTER of the law. Taught by their white god Quetzalcoatl or Kukulkan (which John Taylor concluded to be Jesus Christ). One of those laws said if you stole something you were worthy to be punished with death. However the law stated that if you were poor, you could grab the corn that was alongside the road, up to four stalks inside. No one really judged if someone was poor or rich, but the first four stalks (out of dozens) were fair game.

If you are poor and you have a family to feed, are you going to give them a 100 peso (6 USD) salary a day, which is a typical wage for these people? Or are you going to seize an opprotunity to get a 7.50 or better USD wage which no American will do, and build your house in Mexico with what you get there? The American grows blue in the face saying that's illegal. The Mexican says, I'm just helping out my family. Both based on their cultures.



The American culture comes from a mixed up influence of several European cultures over time.

If this is true then why doesn't the Mexican govt allow free flow of Guatemalans and El Salvadorans into Mexico for a better life? Don't they come from the same basic cultural background and understanding? Seems to be a tad bit of hypocrisy here...

You would be surprised to know that the Salvadorians and Guatemalans are actually entering Mexico both legally and illegally. I served my mission on the Guatemalan border. There are quite a few places of refuge run by priests that aren't even touched by the govt. You would also notice the USA saying to Mexico not to cross illegally because you would be first priority for deportation. Even the Mex govt has put up signs NOT to cross illegally to the USA. So in all of that Trump is incorrect.

Mexico's immigration laws have become more liberal since Calderon. Peña Nieto hasnt changed too much either.

I will give u this however: you should have ID's to vote. Mexico requires them (special voter ID given by the natl electoral institute. No ID, no vote

[Elizabeth]

According to many sources reported on the internet, the flow of illegals, criminals, terrorists, and those carrying diseases is ongoing and rampant along the border between Mexico and the US. That they then become a danger to the lives of US citizens and a financial burden to the country in providing welfare, medical and education is obvious.

[samizdat]

Here is where I could give you the benefit of the doubt on this. I still contend that the majority that cross illegally would cross legally if they had access to the legal options.

Imagine if you were in their shoes? Making six dollars a day. With a family to feed. Your country borders a prosperous one whose minimum wage is ten timrd your current salary. You have tried to enter legally but are rejected due to lack of money. how would you react?

[Elizabeth]

If those who complain of the conditions in the country of their birth, would stay and improve those conditions, instead of leaving and expecting other countries to support them, then their country of birth would surely benefit.

I am one who believes that no one should have children if they do not have the means to feed and support them.

[Elizabeth]

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"Trump is a breath of fresh air. Trump is the answer to what ails America, simply because he kills two birds with one stone.
America has two big problems. America is under attack by a vicious one-two combination. America has been ruined by two parties. And Trump’s mouth solves both problems.
Democrats clearly hate American exceptionalism, capitalism, entrepreneurship and Judeo-Christian values. They hate business owners (see “You didn’t build that”) and blame American patriotism, white people, business owners and Christians for every problem in the world today.
The Democratic Party is riddled with socialists, Marxists and communists hell-bent on “fundamentally changing America.” The Democratic Party is filled with:
Frauds (see Obama, Jonathan Gruber and the lies used to sell Obamacare),
Traitors (see Obama, John Kerry and the new Iran nuclear treaty),
Thieves and con men (see Hillary Clinton and the Clinton Foundation),
Reckless wasters of taxpayer money (see Obama’s Kenya trip that cost us over $50 million dollars for one day in a country that offers America nothing),
And outright criminals (see Clinton’s upcoming criminal investigation over her 32,000 deleted emails — some of them classified — and Obama’s use of the IRS to target, persecute and even attempt to imprison political opponents and critics).
But the GOP may be worse. If there’s anything worse than evil, it’s pathos. The GOP leadership is riddled with cowards; wimps; and naïve, feckless, country club powder puffs who have no clue how to fight back against the Democrats’ ruining America and destroying our children’s future with debt. Yes, Democrats are ruining America and destroying our children’s future. But Republicans are standing by helplessly, scared, petrified, allowing it to happen.
I suspect many of the Republican leaders in Washington are either being bribed or blackmailed. Exhibit A is Supreme Court Justice John Roberts, House Speaker John Boehner and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell. These guys are all either bought and paid for or someone is holding a gun to their heads (along with a photo of them in bed doing something shocking). Don’t believe me? See Dennis Hastert.
They are all doing something morally wrong or breaking some law, and Obama’s partners in the NSA and IRS are always watching.
America is being lost because the GOP is bringing knives to a gunfight. The only way to save America is to bring a nuclear weapon to a gun fight.
Trump’s mouth is a nuclear weapon.
It’s time to stop being “nice.” Nice is OK for playing golf with Muffy at the country club. But nice doesn’t work in politics. Nice guys finish last in politics. Nice is getting our country ruined. Nice is killing middle-class jobs. Nice is wiping out middle-class incomes. Nice has led to negative GDP growth. Nice has led to more businesses closing than opening each day for the first time in America’s history.
Nice has left the border wide open to an illegal alien invasion, the bankruptcy of America and a terrorist attack like 9/11.
Nice has led to disaster and disgrace all over the globe. The world no longer has any respect for, or fear of, America. We are in decline and disarray. We are headed for collapse and disaster.
Into this crisis steps “the nuclear mouth,” Donald Trump. He isn’t afraid to put America first. He isn’t afraid to tell the truth. He isn’t afraid of what the media thinks. He isn’t afraid of being called a “racist” for pointing out how Obama has damaged and destroyed America. He isn’t afraid to question Obama’s very mysterious, questionable and troubling past, much of it sealed away in darkness.
Trump isn’t afraid to fight like our future is on the line because he understands it is. He isn’t afraid to offend. He isn’t afraid to expose the cowards and frauds in his own GOP leadership for what they are. He refuses to be “politically correct” when he sees corruption and idiocy. He won’t back down or apologise for telling the truth.
Of course, the evil Democrats, corrupt and cowardly GOP leadership, and biased mainstream media hate him. They are all rooting for another Mitt Romney. Let’s compare Romney to Trump. They are both rich white guys; famous, successful businessmen; and Republican presidential candidates, past and present. That’s where the similarity ends.
Romney is a very nice guy. Romney has manners. Romney would never offend anyone. Romney let the media run roughshod over him. Romney would never say something rude or offensive about Obama or Clinton. Romney would never accuse them of crimes against the American people. Romney would never prosecute Obama or Clinton if he were elected.
And there’s one other difference: Romney lost.
It’s no coincidence that Romney lost. The last thing we need now is nice. It’s also no coincidence that the people in power — evil
Democrats, the corrupt GOP leadership and the mainstream media — all want another Romney.
They want the status quo. They want to keep the bribes and blackmail coming. They don’t want anyone to upset the apple cart. They are scared to death of Trump, who doesn’t play by traditional rules or etiquette. They are scared to death of a guy who can’t be bribed. They are scared to death of a guy who is tuned into the hopes, dreams and fears of middle-class Americans. They are scared to death of a street fighter.
Mostly, they are scared to death of Trump’s mouth — the kind of mouth that could stir up a citizen revolution and topple “business as usual” in Washington, D.C.
Yes, Trump’s mouth is a nuclear weapon. And that’s precisely why we love him. You know what I say: Bombs away!
I’m Wayne Allyn Root for Personal Liberty®. See you next week. God bless America. And keep fighting, slugging, smashing, hammering and attacking. It’s about time we played offense. You can thank Trump for inspiring conservatives and turning the tables!"
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[davedan]

TPTB wants the US and the world to lose faith in America. I can't think of a better candidate to make that happen.

If TPTB can get Schwartznegger elected in California and Ventura elected in Minnesota, then they can get Trump elected.

In any event, Trump does take all the attention off the other GOP candidates. Remember how many GOP'ers disqualified themselves with dumb comments 4 years ago. Well, no ones ill-advised comments come close to TRUMP

[Matchmaker]

With Trump getting all the media attention, Bush can sit back on the sidelines and save his energy for the real fight in 2016.

[Elizabeth]

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“In a wide-ranging television interview with CNN, the billionaire businessman also explained why his stances on abortion and health care have shifted over time.
Though Trump has not put forth any policy initiatives since launching his presidential bid last month, he discussed his changing stance on a few issues Wednesday.He said he was once pro-abortion rights but is now anti-abortion, noting that his view changed after a friend came close to having an abortion but ended up keeping the baby."Their child is, like, this magnificent person," Trump said. “And it had an impact."
Still, he compared his views on the issue to former President Ronald Reagan, a Republican who supported a constitutional amendment that would have restricted abortions to situations in which the mother’s life was in danger.
Trump said he believes abortions should be allowed in cases of rape, incest, and when the mother’s health is in jeopardy.
“It's basically Ronald Reagan," he said.
He added that he’d be open to discussing adding the three exceptions with the Republican Party's platform if he were elected to the Oval Office.
On health care, Trump once supported the liberal idea to create a national, single-payer health care system. But now, he said, he would push to repeal Obamacare and "replace it with something simple."

[samizdat]

If those who complain of the conditions in the country of their birth, would stay and improve those conditions, instead of leaving and expecting other countries to support them, then their country of birth would surely benefit.

I am one who believes that no one should have children if they do not have the means to feed and support them.

In said country, if you complain about the conditions of the country and try to join a group to protect your rights, chances are you will be mowed down by the army, and the news channels will talk about how the heroic army destroyed a band of armed delinquents. Google "autodefensas Michoacan" and Google Translate any article you can find on the matter.

Here in Mexico, we have a saying: "Calladito te ves mas bonito" (you look better when you are quiet). Because our history is filled with cases where the true heroes don't have the chance to shine because they end up dead.

Cuauhtemoc (last Aztec Emperor): Killed by the Spaniards.

Miguel Hidalgo: The person most responsible for the independence movement in Mexico. Betrayed, excommunicated, and then killed by the Spainards.

Benito Juarez: Arguably the best president Mexico has ever had. Successfully fought off a French invasion, which if left unchecked, would have had French troops on the ground in the southern US in the middle of the Civil War. Betrayed and murdered.

Francisco (Pancho) Villa: Regarded as a terrorist by the USA, an absolute revolutionary hero in Mexico that started many schools among the poor in Mexico. Later repented of his acts and even went as far as to say "Would to God that the entire Mexican population were Mormon" when he saw the work of the Colonia Juarez Mormons. Betrayed and murdered.

Francisco Madero: Revolutionary that came to prominence when he said "Suffrage effective immediately, no reelections", a practice that remains in Mexico to this day. Betrayed and murdered.

The Tlatelolco Students: Revolutionary students that protested the autocratic form of government in 1968 shortly before the Olympics. Mowed down by the army, dozens dead.

More recently:

Luis Donaldo Colosio: Presidential candidate in 1994. Offered to split up the ruling PRI party into independent factions, proposed several reforms. Betrayed and murdered by his own party.

It is clear that you have no knowledge of the refugee status of literally MILLIONS of people all over the world.

Tell that to the Assyrian Christian whose home was rampaged by ISIS, their kinsfolk murdered in the most painful ways imaginable. They can't stay and improve their conditions because they will be DEAD.

Tell that to the Nigerians who are being ambushed by Boko Haram, their kinsfolk murdered in the most painful ways imaginable, their girls kidnapped and sold into slavery. Tell them to go back and improve their conditions.

Tell that to the evangelicals in Chiapas state who are run out of their towns by the Catholic-Mayan caciques simply for believing differently than the caciques. Tell them to go back and improve their conditions.

Tell that to the working class Mexican with no possibility of advancement where he lives, to go back and improve their conditions, considering the history of the place and what happens to people that try to be heroes.

As long as there is corruption in this world, people will try to flow to more stable areas within a country, or to other countries where conditions are viewed as more stable, and they will risk life and limb to make their lives better for their families.

That is why so many Africans are migrating to Europe. That is why so many Jews are migrating to Israel. That is why you have many Mexicans migrating to the USA, and Central Americans to Mexico, and then to the USA. That is why you have Bolivians and Peruvians in Chile. You really need to get out more and read what is going on in the world.

[Silver]

samizdat, I think everyone feels your passion on this topic. I work for a Japanese company that has production plants throughout Mexico. Let's see...
Three in Coahuila, three in Nuevo Leon, one in Sonora, and a small team in Guadalajara. We employ over 20,000 people in Mexico. You're right about the pay being low. Now that the MX peso has weakened further, the pay of the workers is even lower in US$ terms. I see the abject poverty every time I visit our plants.

Consider though for a moment what's different between the US and Mexico. Why do Mexicans flee north to America? The main reason is that America is prosperous. Or at least to most Mexicans, America appears prosperous. Most Americans think the same, I suppose.

However, what part of $18 trillion in debt does everyone not understand? America's prosperity is really just a thin veneer. It is created by debt. It is unsustainable. I understand that most Mexicans would say, "Well, it's better than Mexico!" I get it. I do. I'm not trying to fight with you. But America is broke. The Mexicans that move here, legally or illegally, are relying on broken promises.

What should America do though? Just throw open the gates and allow any and all to enter freely? There has to be a limit. A country that can't control its border is no longer a country.

[Desert Roses]

If those who complain of the conditions in the country of their birth, would stay and improve those conditions, instead of leaving and expecting other countries to support them, then their country of birth would surely benefit.

I am one who believes that no one should have children if they do not have the means to feed and support them.

Unless you are 100% Native American, it's a good thing your ancestors didn't follow that advice. Coming here and expecting the native population to give them land--and if they didn't, why just take what you want! American history is full of that kind of thinking. Reality is, the reason Utah is even a state is that Mexico was forced to give up half its territory in 1848, no apologies, ever. Despite the allegations of the reality TV idiot who is creating a nonsense campaign, most immigrants (legal or illegal) do not get any government benefits and pay taxes just like legal folks. They have jobs and live decent lives. Many of them are my neighbors.

[samizdat]

samizdat, I think everyone feels your passion on this topic. I work for a Japanese company that has production plants throughout Mexico. Let's see...
Three in Coahuila, three in Nuevo Leon, one in Sonora, and a small team in Guadalajara. We employ over 20,000 people in Mexico. You're right about the pay being low. Now that the MX peso has weakened further, the pay of the workers is even lower in US$ terms. I see the abject poverty every time I visit our plants.

Consider though for a moment what's different between the US and Mexico. Why do Mexicans flee north to America? The main reason is that America is prosperous. Or at least to most Mexicans, America appears prosperous. Most Americans think the same, I suppose.

However, what part of $18 trillion in debt does everyone not understand? America's prosperity is really just a thin veneer. It is created by debt. It is unsustainable. I understand that most Mexicans would say, "Well, it's better than Mexico!" I get it. I do. I'm not trying to fight with you. But America is broke. The Mexicans that move here, legally or illegally, are relying on broken promises.

What should America do though? Just throw open the gates and allow any and all to enter freely? There has to be a limit. A country that can't control its border is no longer a country.

Make the front door wider and eliminate the back door. Don't make it impossible for a middle class Mexican (much more a working class Mexican) to cross the border LEGALLY. Strengthen punishments for those that enter illegally or that overstay their visas. Reward those that LEGALLY enter.

I'm in Puebla, south of Mexico City. We actually have received MANY people from all over Mexico as it is a safer sector than most in Mexico. Other areas that have seen big influxes of people include Guanajuato and Queretaro states (relatively stable states too just east of GDL).

It should be a well known fact of life that people tend to move from less stable areas to more stable areas, both within and between countries. My indignation was more directed at those who seem ignorant of the things that really go around the world.

[Elizabeth]

My comment was in answer to a question asked of me.
I answered in general terms which applied to all countries no mention made of the US.. which you may do well to remember is not the only country in the world.

Unless you are 100% Native American, it's a good thing your ancestors didn't follow that advice. Coming here and expecting the native population to give them land--and if they didn't, why just take what you want! American history is full of that kind of thinking. Reality is, the reason Utah is even a state is that Mexico was forced to give up half its territory in 1848, no apologies, ever. Despite the allegations of the reality TV idiot who is creating a nonsense campaign, most immigrants (legal or illegal) do not get any government benefits and pay taxes just like legal folks. They have jobs and live decent lives. Many of them are my neighbors.

[Elizabeth]

Your insult is nonsense and not appreciated.

You really need to get out more and read what is going on in the world.

[samizdat]

Your insult is nonsense and not appreciated.

You really need to get out more and read what is going on in the world.

Not an insult. You do have to see what is going on in the entire world and not just in one country.

You can't tell someone simply to make their lives better in the country they live in, when that is made impossible except by acts of God.

[Elizabeth]

What you consider to be clear is incorrect.
I personally do not support the United Nations nor the concept of One World Government.
The millions you refer to have and are taking their problems, culture, violence, diseases, standards of living etc to other countries whose people do not want nor deserve them.
We are not talking of centuries ago when undeveloped countries of potential were open to settlers to come and work and develop these countries to what they are today.
Some countries developed through hard work, enterprise, sacrifice, and culture of their people, while other countries did not and are what they are today mainly because of their culture, indolence, immorality, laziness etc.

It is clear that you have no knowledge of the refugee status of literally MILLIONS of people all over the world.

You do have to see what is going on in the entire world and not just in one country.
You can't tell someone simply to make their lives better in the country they live in, when that is made impossible except by acts of God.

[Serragon]

Make the front door wider and eliminate the back door. Don't make it impossible for a middle class Mexican (much more a working class Mexican) to cross the border LEGALLY. Strengthen punishments for those that enter illegally or that overstay their visas. Reward those that LEGALLY enter.

I agree that the immigration laws in the US need to be changed. If there is truly a demand from the US side for more working class immigrants from Mexico then our policies should reflect that.

The problem is that everyone in authority in both Mexico and the US likes the current system.
1. It doesn't put any US politicians head on the line by having to define what a reasonable immigration policy would be and allows them to stay in the good graces of big business.
2, It allows US businesses to take advantage of illegal immigrants by paying them lower wages and less benefits.
3, It benefits the Mexican government because it lessens the welfare burden, drives up wages, and allows them to get rid of the less desirable sector without any fuss. And they get a large influx of money from the illegal immigrants sending back the wages and welfare benefits they get from the US

As a Mexican citizen I would love the current system. All the benefit is on their side. As a US citizen, I think it sucks as it drives down wages in the US and amounts to a large transfer payment of US taxes to Mexico.

So Trump was right. We are importing what Mexico doesn't want. All to the benefit of Mexico and the profit margin of some US corporations.

[samizdat]

When you put it that way that is actually quite reasonable, Serragon. Any new immigration should reflect on the situation that is currently demanded. The USA is right now not as bad as in Mexico. You could criticize your government policies without fear of reprisal. Not so in Mexico, especially in the more volatile regions.

my example for Elizabeth still stands. Mexico prides itself on its hard work. But we have what is called a perfect dictatorship that has existed since the day's of the Aztecs. The actors change but the same Aztec style remains.

Your government is replicating ours I'm sorry to say.

[Elizabeth]

Message from Donald J. Trump

"Dear Friend,

Are you ready to Make American Great Again?
Since I announced my candidacy for the Republican nomination for President I have soared to first place in the polls, defying the mainstream media and the GOP establishment.
I am rising in the polls because of you – and the fact that I am offering the American people an alternative to the inept career politicians who talk big but never produce results.
I have a long track record of producing big results. Very big results.
Frankly, I am running for president because I hate seeing what is happening to America – the country I love so much.
I am sick and tired of China and Mexico and all other countries beating us at the negotiating table – getting one-sided trade deals from Washington officials.
They have been letting these countries rip off our jobs, killing our potential for economic growth.
Let’s face it, America is in deep trouble.
We are a laughing stock around the globe as our incompetent leaders like Obama and Hillary Clinton get outmaneuvered.
Our economy is a disaster.
I think the American people are ready for some hard truths.
You know I call it the way I see it.
Thanks to Obama, the American dream is dead.
But I can bring it back – bigger and better and stronger than ever before.
A few weeks ago the political establishment went crazy when I pointed out the fact that some illegal aliens from Mexico, being pushed into our country by the Mexican government, are bringing crime, drugs and murder to the United States.
The media tried to smear me, claiming I was “racist” and that I attacked the Mexican people.
Nothing could be further from the truth.
I forced the media to focus on a number of horrific crimes in which U.S. citizens were killed by illegal immigrants who got into the country because our borders are so porous practically anyone can walk into the United States.
In the face of this media onslaught, my poll numbers actually went up.
I even pulled well ahead of Jeb Bush, the supposed “front-runner.”
Bush is a weak and ineffective leader who would merely preside over the continued decline of this country. If he gets the nomination, we lose in 2016.
I am very critical of John McCain’s record in the U.S. Senate. He has done little to help veterans.
John McCain has been in the Senate for 30 years and worked closely with Senator Bernie Sanders to pass legislation to ensure that no one was held responsible for the scandal at Obama’s Veterans Administration, in which over 1,000 of our veterans died waiting for medical care.
Ironically many of these veterans died in the VA hospital in Phoenix, Arizona – McCain’s home state!
It’s just like Benghazi – incompetent and pathetic officials screw up, then Americans die . . . and no one in Washington is held responsible.
My concern is for all those men and women who served this country.
As President, I would build the finest Veterans Hospital system in the world where our veterans would have universal access – and I will do it for far less in tax dollars than we are spending now on our disgraceful broken Veterans Administration health care system.
The political establishment is in shock over the way I have taken the lead in the presidential race – and they are scared to death.
I am not afraid – I know Americans like you are with me.
Because my campaign will be funded mostly with my own money, the Washington insiders know that the lobbyists and special interests will have no influence in a Trump administration.
The special interests know you can’t “buy” me.
As I have traveled across the country I have met thousands of Americans who want to join our crusade. Actually, some people are calling it a movement.
The media, however, wants to claim that I have no grass-roots support.
I want to prove them wrong. I am asking you to stand with me and join with me today.
I believe so much in this campaign and that we can Make America Great Again, that I will match dollar-for-dollar every dollar donated by people like you.
I want to show the liberal media that not since the days of Ronald Reagan has there been such a grass-roots movement of people ready to transform our party and our country.
My #1 goal is to create the greatest economic boom in American history, to unleash the incredible spirit of free enterprise in this country – get America moving again!
I have been tremendously blessed in this country.
I want all American families to share in the great economic opportunities this country offers.
I am very rich and I created something very special.
I want to make you and the American people rich.
I have no doubt the liberal media and the GOP establishment will continue to attack me.
But, make no mistake, I will never back down or apologise in the fight to make the America great again.
Stand with me today and send a powerful message to the establishment by supporting my campaign”

[Elizabeth]

"Jeb Bush is rubbing America’s face in illegal immigration...It is sneaky to promote it speaking Spanish rather than English. It just shows who matters to him and it certainly isn’t mainstream America. He just keeps pandering to Hispanics and illegal immigrants over and over again… Amnesty is a blatant disregard for our laws and it is not only illegal, it is morally wrong.
From the Conservative Tribune:
Bush, who prides himself on his Spanish fluency, on Monday told Spanish-language network Telemundo:
“For the 11 million people (in the country illegally), they must come out of the shadows, receive a work visa, start paying taxes and also pay a small fine, learn English, don’t receive government benefits, but they come out of the shadows and they receive legal status after some time,” according to a CNN translation of his remarks.
“Jeb came out this week, just yesterday, and said he is for amnesty for the millions of folks who are in this country illegally,” Jindal said. “I think that is a mistake... becoming an American citizen is not a right granted to those who have managed to hide illegally in our country for just long enough,” Jindal explained. “We should not and must not reward those who came to this country illegally.”
This is exactly why Donald Trump is surging in the polls. He is also winning the majority of Hispanics with his bold and sane stand of just following the law. Getting here illegally does not give you the right to stay, to take jobs from Americans and to mooch off the system. It should get you arrested and booted out the door. Don’t reward criminals."
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[Elizabeth]

"Former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin on Friday slammed the media coverage of presidential candidate Donald Trump and warned the Republican Party to not ignore the disaffected voters who have embraced the billionaire businessman's message.
"Trump's unconventional candidacy is a shot in the arm for ordinary Americans fed up with the predictable poll-tested blather of squishy milquetoast career politicians who campaign one way and govern another," the 2008 GOP vice presidential candidate said in a column for Breitbart News. "But it's not just how Trump says it, it's what he's saying."
Palin, whom Trump said this week he'd consider for a spot in his administration if he won the White House, said that the developer has "focused in on two major populist grievances: the loss of working-class jobs due to awful trade agreements, and the unfair competition for those jobs — along with security threats — due to the flood of illegal immigrants pouring across unsecured borders."
Quoting part of Gen. George Patton's famous line from his 1944 speech to the Army, Palin said that Trump's "message catches fire" because "Americans play to win all the time.
"But those of us outside the Beltway can see that America isn’t winning," she added. "Our enemies laugh at us. Our friends can’t rely on us. China is outpacing our military superiority. Putin thumbs his nose at us.
The Islamic State "seizes territory our sons and daughters fought and died to liberate," she added. "Iran gloats over the idiotic and ultimately catastrophic nuclear deal the White House caved on. Our friends in Israel shake their heads at our betrayal."
Palin added that Trump "diagnoses our problems as incompetent leadership. Who can argue with that? How many politicians promised to secure our borders? So, why aren’t they secured?
"How many politicians promised to grow American jobs? So, why did they vote for Obamatrade?" she asked, referring to the fast-track trade authority Congress granted President Barack Obama last month. "Is it any wonder that Americans are telling status quo politicians, 'You’re fired'?"
"It’s no surprise pundits and politicos are determined to destroy a candidacy they can’t control or shape with their mere words," Palin said. "Expect marginalization of anyone speaking well of Trump’s efforts.
"He’s a threat to the permanent political class. Non-traditional candidates always are because when they’re in touch with the people, they show their guts and just do the right thing.
"They go rogue — and take flak from all sides," she continued, then alluding to the coverage of her during the 2008 campaign. "Some of us have the scars to prove that."
To win these Americans, the GOP "would do well to listen to these voters and quit dismissing them," Palin said. Ronald Reagan, she said, "understood these blue-collar salt-of-the-earth Americans. That's why they gave him two landslide victories."

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[Nebguy]

Wow Elizabeth! Who is this guy? Thank you so much for posting this! You are my new best friend!

[marc]

If those who complain of the conditions in the country of their birth, would stay and improve those conditions, instead of leaving and expecting other countries to support them, then their country of birth would surely benefit.

I am one who believes that no one should have children if they do not have the means to feed and support them.

Unless you are 100% Native American, it's a good thing your ancestors didn't follow that advice. Coming here and expecting the native population to give them land--and if they didn't, why just take what you want! American history is full of that kind of thinking. Reality is, the reason Utah is even a state is that Mexico was forced to give up half its territory in 1848, no apologies, ever. Despite the allegations of the reality TV idiot who is creating a nonsense campaign, most immigrants (legal or illegal) do not get any government benefits and pay taxes just like legal folks. They have jobs and live decent lives. Many of them are my neighbors.

+1

I was just thinking the other day, don't Americans (especially Utahns) understand that most of Western US was Mexico, including what is now the state of Utah? Brigham Young and company became Mexicans when they settled the valley and then Brigham Young sent the Mormon Battalion to aid the US in its campaign against Mexico!

[Elizabeth]

Wow Elizabeth! Who is this guy? Thank you so much for posting this! You are my new best friend!

[Elizabeth]

Of course at that time there were no benefits of infrastructure, welfare, education facilities, employment, medical facilities, hand outs etc etc... nor expectations of any.

I was just thinking the other day, don't Americans (especially Utahns) understand that most of Western US was Mexico, including what is now the state of Utah? Brigham Young and company became Mexicans when they settled the valley and then Brigham Young sent the Mormon Battalion to aid the US in its campaign against Mexico!