Abortion

[Wolfwoman]

Here’s a news article about at least two women who died in Georgia after Roe v Wade was overturned and Georgia instituted a ban on abortions after 6 weeks gestation.

https://www.propublica.org/article/geor ... rman-death


Why didn’t doctors perform the D&C for her?
Were D&Cs really not done prior to Roe v Wade?!

It seems like medical neglect to me or malpractice or something along those lines.

What is wrong with doing a D&C on a woman when the fetus is already dead?! This woman had some fetal tissue remaining in her uterus and died of sepsis because they were too afraid to do a D&C. They are doctors. Surely they know that some remaining fetal tissue isn’t going to magically grow back into a living fetus. Were they really afraid that they’d get prosecuted for performing an abortion when the fetus had already died and they were trying to save the life of the woman?!

[captainfearnot]

Found a good article that explains what's going on:

https://www.kff.org/womens-health-polic ... ancy-loss/

To answer your question, yes. Doctors really are afraid that they will be prosecuted for performing D&C, D&X, or D&E to manage miscarriages and stillbirths, because even though they understand perfectly that these are not abortions, the procedures are the same and in some states the laws don't differentiate between them.

[Bronco73idi]

Here’s a news article about at least two women who died in Georgia after Roe v Wade was overturned and Georgia instituted a ban on abortions after 6 weeks gestation.

https://www.propublica.org/article/geor ... rman-death


Why didn’t doctors perform the D&C for her?
Were D&Cs really not done prior to Roe v Wade?!

It seems like medical neglect to me or malpractice or something along those lines.

What is wrong with doing a D&C on a woman when the fetus is already dead?! This woman had some fetal tissue remaining in her uterus and died of sepsis because they were too afraid to do a D&C. They are doctors. Surely they know that some remaining fetal tissue isn’t going to magically grow back into a living fetus. Were they really afraid that they’d get prosecuted for performing an abortion when the fetus had already died and they were trying to save the life of the woman?!

Doctors are not doctors anymore, they are glorified nurses who have to look at what the book says or they might lose their livelihood.

[farmerchick]

After doing a bit of research in the Georgia heartbeat law. There are exceptions for the life of the mother, incest and rape. There is also a lawsuit that has been brought to clarify the law. As it stands though physicians have the final say if the mothers life is in danger...so why are women denied a d&c? Maybe so the law incenses everyone In the state to overturn the heartbeat law.

[Wolfwoman]

Well it pisses me off to no end. No wonder even conservative states are passing pro choice legislation.
I don’t think there are any pro life people who think a woman experiencing a miscarriage should die just because her fetus died. Seriously, what the Hell.

And if I was that woman’s family, I’d be suing the doctors for not doing what was needed to try to save her life WHEN THE BABY WAS ALREADY DEAD.
Let it play out in court. Who cares if the jury are not doctors? Juries have to try cases in things that they’re not experts in all the time. You bring in your expert witnesses and let them explain to the jury the medical side of it. Then you let the jury decide. I think the doctors in the case mentioned in Georgia do not have the law on their side.

Edit to add: If I was a doctor in that situation in Georgia, I would have absolutely done what was required to save the woman. My conscience would not have allowed me to do otherwise. And if someone (I’m not sure WHO?!) wanted to prosecute me, I’d say bring it on and defend myself in court.

[Wolfwoman]

Here’s more info on the OP:

She was pregnant with twins and wanted to abort them. She was already a single mom to a little boy.

She sort of had access to abortion. Not in Georgia, but in North Carolina. She scheduled a surgical abortion there, but ran into traffic on her way there and the abortion center was apparently completely booked, so they couldn’t hold her spot. So they gave her abortion meds to take instead.

She used the abortion meds, and was told to go to the ER if she had complications. Well apparently she did have complications, but did not go to the ER until a week or more later. By that time she was in bad shape already and would die 20 hours later.

At the hospital, for some unknown reason, the doctors delayed the D&C and then her heart stopped on the operating table when they finally did try to do the surgery.

So the blame for her death could be placed on her for getting an abortion and not seeking care soon enough when she had problems, or on the doctors for not giving adequate and timely medical care. A tragic case either way.

[Wolfwoman]

New discussion somewhat related to abortion:

Women who did drugs while pregnant and then the fetus died, have been prosecuted and convicted of child abuse/neglect and given prison time - even up to 20 years!! That is bonkers!! Sometimes women don’t even know they’re pregnant! They could be charged with drug use, but charged with child abuse for having a stillborn baby?! That is crazy and wrong.

https://www.themarshallproject.org/2022 ... -to-prison

[Bronco73idi]

New discussion somewhat related to abortion:

Women who did drugs while pregnant and then the fetus died, have been prosecuted and convicted of child abuse/neglect and given prison time - even up to 20 years!! That is bonkers!! Sometimes women don’t even know they’re pregnant! They could be charged with drug use, but charged with child abuse for having a stillborn baby?! That is crazy and wrong.

https://www.themarshallproject.org/2022 ... -to-prison

Let’s take the laws of the beast out of this discussion.

If a woman dies because of a miscarriage or stillbirth she will be blessed. It is sad for the living and hard for whoever she left behind.

Soon millions will die and it won’t be for a noble cause like bearing a child.

I just read what happened to the original lady in your discussion. She is damned…..