If you felt the Lord was commanding you to commit to plural marriage what would you do?

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If you felt the Lord was commanding you to commit to plural marriage what would you do?

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Family will be here soon and I am going to brave raising the question of polygamy over dinner.

It's a subject I don't yet understand and am striving to get historical perspective on. So please bear with. My gut reaction is revulsion - not gonna lie. But I'm striving to get beyond that and understand the deeper thinking behind the belief in plural marriage.

But for now a pragmatic question -

Given that the law prohibits polygamy and the LDS church excommunicates polygamists, what would you do if you felt prompted that plural marriage was the only way to the celestial kingdom?

Take the risk? Resign yourself to never entering the highest realm?

And supposing you took the plunge and married a second wife - how would you be sealed to her since you can't do it in the temple?

Naive questions maybe - but like I say, it's all new to me.
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Well you would need better revelation.
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I don't see the rush. I don't believe marriage is at all a "must-have" in this life. We are currently qualifying for a Terrestrial glory right now, ie, trying to become worthy to rise in the morning of the First Resurrection. Celestial ordinances can be done here, but we will have more opportunities during the Millenium.

I believe polygamous marriages will happen far more at that time because I think righteous women will outnumber the righteous men and we will all be on the earth to court each other and find our true eternal soul mates.

In fact I think many marriages now may just be Telestial "trial marriages". They may not last once we have an opportunity to meet a person in the Millenium that is far more compatible with us. God won't force people to stay together (who righteously kept their covenants) if their relationship isn't perfect. Polygamy may not seem repulsive at all when you find you "click" perfectly with these people you will meet in the world to come.

Bottom line, our mortal minds cannot comprehend higher things right now because we are living in a pretend world of utter deception and perversion. We should be optimistic that things will work out later even if it feels off or strange now.

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I would need to be pretty convinced that I was doing it because God truly wanted me to, and not for some other reason. I tend to be more pragmatic in my decisions than relying on what one prophet or another says. Both sides can find prophets to rely on. The overall balance of the sexes is more or less 1:1. So to me, that says in most instances people should be in pairs. I'm not so dogmatic to think that it has to be that way for everyone, tho.

I remember listening to a podcast on mental health in the church, and one thing that was said was: when a man or woman is having mental health issues in the church, the man will often turn to thoughts of polygamy, and a woman will turn to thoughts of self-harm or harm of her children. I thought that was fascinating.

So if I had thoughts of polygamy, the question is: is this really from God, or is this me deviating from what God wants for me mentally/spiritually/financially/etc? I think polygamy is marriage to an extreme - and things can be really good, or they can be really bad. For now I have one wife, and I'm happy with that. And for there to be happiness at home, my wife would also have to be convinced it were right, which may be an even bigger hurdle...

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NeveR wrote: November 25th, 2021, 7:16 am Family will be here soon and I am going to brave raiding the question of polygamy over dinner.

It's a subject I don't yet understand and am striving to get historical perspective on. So please bear with. My gut reaction is revulsion - not gonna lie. But I'm striving to get beyond that and understand the deeper thinking behind the belief in plural marriage.

But for now a pragmatic question -

Given that the law prohibits polygamy and the LDS church excommunicates polygamists, what would you do if you felt prompted that plural marriage was the only way to the celestial kingdom?

Take the risk? Resign yourself to never entering the highest realm?

And supposing you took the plunge and married a second wife - how would you be sealed to her since you can't do it in the temple?

Naive questions maybe - but like I say, it's all new to me.
Great questions. Here is an answer I appreciate from a good blog:

theology.science.blog:
Those who read this article and feel concern in their hearts may feel so for one of two reasons: either the reader fears that they will be forced in heaven to partake of something they do not desire to partake of or the reader fears that not being allowed to participate in polygamy in mortality will cut short the degree to which they may be exalted with God and Christ hereafter. To the first, the author would remind the reader that God will force no one to do anything, but he would admonish the reader to remember to fear not and know that God has instituted his laws for the greatest happiness of his children, including the reader; to the second, the author would ask the reader to remember Joseph Smith’s vision concerning God’s mercy to His children who are valiant in their hearts and would do God’s bidding were it possible:
“The heavens were opened upon us, and I beheld the celestial kingdom of God…. I saw Father Adam and Abraham; and my father and my mother; my brother Alvin, that has long since slept; and marveled how it was that he had obtained an inheritance in that kingdom, seeing that he…had not been baptized for the remission of sins.
“Thus came the voice of the Lord unto me, saying: All who have died without a knowledge of this gospel, who would have received it if they had been permitted to tarry, shall be heirs of the celestial kingdom of God; also all that shall die henceforth without a knowledge of it, who would have received it with all their hearts, shall be heirs of that kingdom; for I, the Lord, will judge all men according to their works, according to the desire of their hearts” (D&C 137:1, 5 – 9, emphasis added).
Hence the message of the parable of the talents is not that the faithful servant is only that servant who receives multiple talents from his master at first; it is that the servant who is faithful to his master—no matter what he is given at first—will be asked to extend his faithfulness over many talents at the last. In other words, it is not plural marriage in itself that leads to exaltation; it is exaltation that in itself leads to plural marriage.

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NeveR wrote: November 25th, 2021, 7:16 am Take the risk?
One of the options is certainly a risk... we can’t ever seem to agree which...

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Things like this, you need to be darn sure it's actually God, and not wishful thinking, pressure, or something else.

I think Abraham's commandment to kill his only son (when Abraham was old, and with the miraculous fulfillment of the promise jeopardized by it) was hardest of all. Talk about needing to know it's really God, and not schizophrenia!

But, when you know, then you know and need to obey --- or accept less than the reward you should want.

The $64,000 question with everything in life is: is it God, or my own thoughts?

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Yes I would. May be a moot point because some other woman (and my wife) would have to agree also, which I don't find likely.

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In Wilford Woodruff's journal he records,
Presi- [ 17 1 ] dent Young
said there would be men saved in the Celestial Kingdom of God with one wife,
with many wives and with no wife at all.

He said this in 1870, in response to a sermon by a man preaching that you had to have multiple wives to enter the Celestial Kingdom. So perhaps late in life, he softened his stance. But what he's describing if is the same principle Baurak Ale was talking about, that what matters is how you live your life in keeping all of God's commandments you receive, living according to the light you have. Nothing in the Celestial Kingdom is single, everything is plural, and we all are one, working together for the common good.

I don't believe anyone would ever be commanded by God to take a plural spouse unless it came from authorization from our prophet who is the only one who holds the keys of this sealing power on the earth at a time. So any command to take another "wife" or "husband" would be coming from Satan if it wasn't from the one who held the keys.

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Sarah wrote: November 25th, 2021, 8:40 am In Wilford Woodruff's journal he records,
Presi- [ 17 1 ] dent Young
said there would be men saved in the Celestial Kingdom of God with one wife,
with many wives and with no wife at all.

He said this in 1870, in response to a sermon by a man preaching that you had to have multiple wives to enter the Celestial Kingdom. So perhaps late in life, he softened his stance. But what he's describing if is the same principle Baurak Ale was talking about, that what matters is how you live your life in keeping all of God's commandments you receive, living according to the light you have. Nothing in the Celestial Kingdom is single, everything is plural, and we all are one, working together for the common good.

I don't believe anyone would ever be commanded by God to take a plural spouse unless it came from authorization from our prophet who is the only one who holds the keys of this sealing power on the earth at a time. So any command to take another "wife" or "husband" would be coming from Satan if it wasn't from the one who held the keys.
So it's satanic unless the prophet says to do it- then, it's a righteous and holy commandment. I think I'm starting to understand the rationale for getting the vaccine.

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OPMissionary wrote: November 25th, 2021, 8:54 am
Sarah wrote: November 25th, 2021, 8:40 am In Wilford Woodruff's journal he records,
Presi- [ 17 1 ] dent Young
said there would be men saved in the Celestial Kingdom of God with one wife,
with many wives and with no wife at all.

He said this in 1870, in response to a sermon by a man preaching that you had to have multiple wives to enter the Celestial Kingdom. So perhaps late in life, he softened his stance. But what he's describing if is the same principle Baurak Ale was talking about, that what matters is how you live your life in keeping all of God's commandments you receive, living according to the light you have. Nothing in the Celestial Kingdom is single, everything is plural, and we all are one, working together for the common good.

I don't believe anyone would ever be commanded by God to take a plural spouse unless it came from authorization from our prophet who is the only one who holds the keys of this sealing power on the earth at a time. So any command to take another "wife" or "husband" would be coming from Satan if it wasn't from the one who held the keys.
So it's satanic unless the prophet says to do it- then, it's a righteous and holy commandment. I think I'm starting to understand the rationale for getting the vaccine.
Yes, just like it is "Satanic" to have sex with a woman who you haven't married yet, but after you get the legal documents you can have sex with her all you want. It's all about following law. Now we all know that a document or legal marriage doesn't mean it will be a righteous relationship, but the legal part is just as important as the spirit of it.

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We can't have a pro-polygamy thread without at least one dissenting voice, right? 😉
https://www.reluctantwatchman.com/polygamy-adultery

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Absolutely. If it was really the Lord then of course you would.

CPM is more important than people thinks it is. We should actually all be SEEKING counsel from the Lord on how to fulfil the requirement to live this law.

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Sarah wrote: November 25th, 2021, 8:40 am In Wilford Woodruff's journal he records,
Presi- [ 17 1 ] dent Young
said there would be men saved in the Celestial Kingdom of God with one wife,
with many wives and with no wife at all.
Yes - but not the highest level. Remember, there are three levels within the Celestial Kingdom as D&C 131 teaches.

Highest - for the Polygamists
Middle - for the Monogamists
Lowest - for those not married
Sarah wrote: November 25th, 2021, 8:40 am I don't believe anyone would ever be commanded by God to take a plural spouse unless it came from authorization from our prophet who is the only one who holds the keys of this sealing power on the earth at a time. So any command to take another "wife" or "husband" would be coming from Satan if it wasn't from the one who held the keys.
The “one man only holds the keys” doctrine is totally false.

Also... RMN does not hold the sealing power.

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Sarah wrote: November 25th, 2021, 9:20 am
OPMissionary wrote: November 25th, 2021, 8:54 am
Sarah wrote: November 25th, 2021, 8:40 am In Wilford Woodruff's journal he records,
Presi- [ 17 1 ] dent Young
said there would be men saved in the Celestial Kingdom of God with one wife,
with many wives and with no wife at all.

He said this in 1870, in response to a sermon by a man preaching that you had to have multiple wives to enter the Celestial Kingdom. So perhaps late in life, he softened his stance. But what he's describing if is the same principle Baurak Ale was talking about, that what matters is how you live your life in keeping all of God's commandments you receive, living according to the light you have. Nothing in the Celestial Kingdom is single, everything is plural, and we all are one, working together for the common good.

I don't believe anyone would ever be commanded by God to take a plural spouse unless it came from authorization from our prophet who is the only one who holds the keys of this sealing power on the earth at a time. So any command to take another "wife" or "husband" would be coming from Satan if it wasn't from the one who held the keys.
So it's satanic unless the prophet says to do it- then, it's a righteous and holy commandment. I think I'm starting to understand the rationale for getting the vaccine.
Yes, just like it is "Satanic" to have sex with a woman who you haven't married yet, but after you get the legal documents you can have sex with her all you want. It's all about following law. Now we all know that a document or legal marriage doesn't mean it will be a righteous relationship, but the legal part is just as important as the spirit of it.
With your logic someone could have sex with as many women as he wanted as long as the prophet gave the go ahead. You're basically saying the prophet's word is the law.

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OPMissionary wrote: November 25th, 2021, 10:06 am
Sarah wrote: November 25th, 2021, 9:20 am
OPMissionary wrote: November 25th, 2021, 8:54 am
Sarah wrote: November 25th, 2021, 8:40 am In Wilford Woodruff's journal he records,
Presi- [ 17 1 ] dent Young
said there would be men saved in the Celestial Kingdom of God with one wife,
with many wives and with no wife at all.

He said this in 1870, in response to a sermon by a man preaching that you had to have multiple wives to enter the Celestial Kingdom. So perhaps late in life, he softened his stance. But what he's describing if is the same principle Baurak Ale was talking about, that what matters is how you live your life in keeping all of God's commandments you receive, living according to the light you have. Nothing in the Celestial Kingdom is single, everything is plural, and we all are one, working together for the common good.

I don't believe anyone would ever be commanded by God to take a plural spouse unless it came from authorization from our prophet who is the only one who holds the keys of this sealing power on the earth at a time. So any command to take another "wife" or "husband" would be coming from Satan if it wasn't from the one who held the keys.
So it's satanic unless the prophet says to do it- then, it's a righteous and holy commandment. I think I'm starting to understand the rationale for getting the vaccine.
Yes, just like it is "Satanic" to have sex with a woman who you haven't married yet, but after you get the legal documents you can have sex with her all you want. It's all about following law. Now we all know that a document or legal marriage doesn't mean it will be a righteous relationship, but the legal part is just as important as the spirit of it.
With your logic someone could have sex with as many women as he wanted as long as the prophet gave the go ahead. You're basically saying the prophet's word is the law.
Yep, that's what I'm saying. If you believe the Prophet holds the keys of this power. The Lord told Joseph that whatever he sealed or unsealed was valid in heaven. A man can have sex with as many women as he wants anyway. It's up to him if he will obey any laws or not.

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Luke wrote: November 25th, 2021, 9:54 am
Sarah wrote: November 25th, 2021, 8:40 am In Wilford Woodruff's journal he records,
Presi- [ 17 1 ] dent Young
said there would be men saved in the Celestial Kingdom of God with one wife,
with many wives and with no wife at all.
Yes - but not the highest level. Remember, there are three levels within the Celestial Kingdom as D&C 131 teaches.

Highest - for the Polygamists
Middle - for the Monogamists
Lowest - for those not married
Sarah wrote: November 25th, 2021, 8:40 am I don't believe anyone would ever be commanded by God to take a plural spouse unless it came from authorization from our prophet who is the only one who holds the keys of this sealing power on the earth at a time. So any command to take another "wife" or "husband" would be coming from Satan if it wasn't from the one who held the keys.
The “one man only holds the keys” doctrine is totally false.

Also... RMN does not hold the sealing power.
Okay, if that doctrine is false, what is the true doctrine?

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I was just reading more of WW's journal and found this additional quote

July 15, 1871: At Grantsville: President Young spoke 58 minutes. He said a man
may embrace the law of celestial marriage in his heart and not take the second
wife and be justified before the Lord.

More evidence that his commands or counsel had changed or softened in his old age.

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Sarah wrote: November 25th, 2021, 10:11 am Okay, if that doctrine is false, what is the true doctrine?
One wife period 😄
(I know this isn’t what you were referring to)
Or no wife 🤔
  • ”Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. (Matthew 22:29-30)

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Sarah wrote: November 25th, 2021, 10:10 am
OPMissionary wrote: November 25th, 2021, 10:06 am
Sarah wrote: November 25th, 2021, 9:20 am
OPMissionary wrote: November 25th, 2021, 8:54 am

So it's satanic unless the prophet says to do it- then, it's a righteous and holy commandment. I think I'm starting to understand the rationale for getting the vaccine.
Yes, just like it is "Satanic" to have sex with a woman who you haven't married yet, but after you get the legal documents you can have sex with her all you want. It's all about following law. Now we all know that a document or legal marriage doesn't mean it will be a righteous relationship, but the legal part is just as important as the spirit of it.
With your logic someone could have sex with as many women as he wanted as long as the prophet gave the go ahead. You're basically saying the prophet's word is the law.
Yep, that's what I'm saying. If you believe the Prophet holds the keys of this power. The Lord told Joseph that whatever he sealed or unsealed was valid in heaven. A man can have sex with as many women as he wants anyway. It's up to him if he will obey any laws or not.
I think that kind of infallibility is dangerous. You should not do anything that the spirit doesn't confirm for you personally, or that goes against the commandments, regardless of what the leader says. Imagine if someone like Judas Iscariot became the prophet through succession. There's no telling what kind of damage a rogue prophet could do with that kind of power

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OPMissionary wrote: November 25th, 2021, 10:27 am
Sarah wrote: November 25th, 2021, 10:10 am
OPMissionary wrote: November 25th, 2021, 10:06 am
Sarah wrote: November 25th, 2021, 9:20 am

Yes, just like it is "Satanic" to have sex with a woman who you haven't married yet, but after you get the legal documents you can have sex with her all you want. It's all about following law. Now we all know that a document or legal marriage doesn't mean it will be a righteous relationship, but the legal part is just as important as the spirit of it.
With your logic someone could have sex with as many women as he wanted as long as the prophet gave the go ahead. You're basically saying the prophet's word is the law.
Yep, that's what I'm saying. If you believe the Prophet holds the keys of this power. The Lord told Joseph that whatever he sealed or unsealed was valid in heaven. A man can have sex with as many women as he wants anyway. It's up to him if he will obey any laws or not.
I think that kind of infallibility is dangerous. You should not do anything that the spirit doesn't confirm for you personally, or that goes against the commandments, regardless of what the leader says. Imagine if someone like Judas Iscariot became the prophet through succession. There's no telling what kind of damage a rogue prophet could do with that kind of power
I agree that getting a personal confirmation is wise.

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Gadianton Slayer wrote: November 25th, 2021, 10:24 am
Sarah wrote: November 25th, 2021, 10:11 am Okay, if that doctrine is false, what is the true doctrine?
One wife period 😄
(I know this isn’t what you were referring to)
Or no wife 🤔
  • ”Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. (Matthew 22:29-30)
Who are the "they" Jesus is talking about?

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Sarah wrote: November 25th, 2021, 10:54 am
Gadianton Slayer wrote: November 25th, 2021, 10:24 am
Sarah wrote: November 25th, 2021, 10:11 am Okay, if that doctrine is false, what is the true doctrine?
One wife period 😄
(I know this isn’t what you were referring to)
Or no wife 🤔
  • ”Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. (Matthew 22:29-30)
Who are the "they" Jesus is talking about?
Read the chapter.
Spoiler
1 And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said,
2 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,
3 And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.
4 Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.
5 But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:
6 And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.
7 But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.
8 Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.
9 Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.
10 So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.
11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.
13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
15 Then went the Pharisees, and took counsel how they might entangle him in his talk.
16 And they sent out unto him their disciples with the Herodians, saying, Master, we know that thou art true, and teachest the way of God in truth, neither carest thou for any man: for thou regardest not the person of men.
17 Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Cæsar, or not?
18 But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites?
19 Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny.
20 And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription?
21 They say unto him, Cæsar’s. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Cæsar the things which are Cæsar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s.
22 When they had heard these words, they marvelled, and left him, and went their way.
23 The same day came to him the Sadducees, which say that there is no resurrection, and asked him,
24 Saying, Master, Moses said, If a man die, having no children, his brother shall marry his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother.
25 Now there were with us seven brethren: and the first, when he had married a wife, deceased, and, having no issue, left his wife unto his brother:
26 Likewise the second also, and the third, unto the seventh.
27 And last of all the woman died also.
28 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her.
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

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Gadianton Slayer wrote: November 25th, 2021, 10:57 am
Sarah wrote: November 25th, 2021, 10:54 am
Gadianton Slayer wrote: November 25th, 2021, 10:24 am
Sarah wrote: November 25th, 2021, 10:11 am Okay, if that doctrine is false, what is the true doctrine?
One wife period 😄
(I know this isn’t what you were referring to)
Or no wife 🤔
  • ”Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God. For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven. (Matthew 22:29-30)
Who are the "they" Jesus is talking about?
Read the chapter.
Spoiler
1 And Jesus answered and spake unto them again by parables, and said,
2 The kingdom of heaven is like unto a certain king, which made a marriage for his son,
3 And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.
4 Again, he sent forth other servants, saying, Tell them which are bidden, Behold, I have prepared my dinner: my oxen and my fatlings are killed, and all things are ready: come unto the marriage.
5 But they made light of it, and went their ways, one to his farm, another to his merchandise:
6 And the remnant took his servants, and entreated them spitefully, and slew them.
7 But when the king heard thereof, he was wroth: and he sent forth his armies, and destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city.
8 Then saith he to his servants, The wedding is ready, but they which were bidden were not worthy.
9 Go ye therefore into the highways, and as many as ye shall find, bid to the marriage.
10 So those servants went out into the highways, and gathered together all as many as they found, both bad and good: and the wedding was furnished with guests.
11 And when the king came in to see the guests, he saw there a man which had not on a wedding garment:
12 And he saith unto him, Friend, how camest thou in hither not having a wedding garment? And he was speechless.
13 Then said the king to the servants, Bind him hand and foot, and take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
14 For many are called, but few are chosen.
15 Then went the Pharisees, and took counsel how they might entangle him in his talk.
16 And they sent out unto him their disciples with the Herodians, saying, Master, we know that thou art true, and teachest the way of God in truth, neither carest thou for any man: for thou regardest not the person of men.
17 Tell us therefore, What thinkest thou? Is it lawful to give tribute unto Cæsar, or not?
18 But Jesus perceived their wickedness, and said, Why tempt ye me, ye hypocrites?
19 Shew me the tribute money. And they brought unto him a penny.
20 And he saith unto them, Whose is this image and superscription?
21 They say unto him, Cæsar’s. Then saith he unto them, Render therefore unto Cæsar the things which are Cæsar’s; and unto God the things that are God’s.
22 When they had heard these words, they marvelled, and left him, and went their way.
23 The same day came to him the Sadducees, which say that there is no resurrection, and asked him,
24 Saying, Master, Moses said, If a man die, having no children, his brother shall marry his wife, and raise up seed unto his brother.
25 Now there were with us seven brethren: and the first, when he had married a wife, deceased, and, having no issue, left his wife unto his brother:
26 Likewise the second also, and the third, unto the seventh.
27 And last of all the woman died also.
28 Therefore in the resurrection whose wife shall she be of the seven? for they all had her.
29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.
30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.
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Re: If you felt the Lord was commanding you to commit to plural marriage what would you do?

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NeveR wrote: November 25th, 2021, 7:16 am Family will be here soon and I am going to brave raising the question of polygamy over dinner.

It's a subject I don't yet understand and am striving to get historical perspective on. So please bear with. My gut reaction is revulsion - not gonna lie. But I'm striving to get beyond that and understand the deeper thinking behind the belief in plural marriage.

But for now a pragmatic question -

Given that the law prohibits polygamy and the LDS church excommunicates polygamists, what would you do if you felt prompted that plural marriage was the only way to the celestial kingdom?

Take the risk? Resign yourself to never entering the highest realm?

And supposing you took the plunge and married a second wife - how would you be sealed to her since you can't do it in the temple?

Naive questions maybe - but like I say, it's all new to me.
Go with your gut reaction. Do not sear your conscience by over thinking it, rationalizing it, it is just wrong.

Believe what Jesus Christ said about marriage in heaven in the Bible. Matthew 22 says:

29 Jesus answered and said unto them, Ye do err, not knowing the scriptures, nor the power of God.

30 For in the resurrection they neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are as the angels of God in heaven.

31 But as touching the resurrection of the dead, have ye not read that which was spoken unto you by God, saying,

32 I am the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob? God is not the God of the dead, but of the living.


And if that isn't enough, you should know what Jacob 2 in the Book of Mormon says about plural marriage.

Jacob 2:23
23 But the word of God burdens me because of your grosser crimes. For behold, thus saith the Lord: This people begin to wax in iniquity; they understand not the scriptures, for they seek to excuse themselves in committing whoredoms, because of the things which were written concerning David, and Solomon his son.

24 Behold, David and Solomon truly had many wives and concubines, which thing was abominable before me, saith the Lord.

25 Wherefore, thus saith the Lord, I have led this people forth out of the land of Jerusalem, by the power of mine arm, that i might raise up unto me a righteous branch from the fruit of the loins of Joseph.

26 Wherefore, I the Lord God will not suffer that this people shall do like unto them of old.

27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be one wife; and concubines he shall have none;

28 For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And whoredoms are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts.

29 Wherefore, this people shall keep my commandments, saith the Lord of Hosts, or cursed be the land for their sakes.

30 For if I will, saith the Lord of Hosts, raise up seed unto me, I will command my people; otherwise they shall hearken unto these things.

31 For behold, I, the Lord, have seen the sorrow, and heard the mourning of the daughters of my people in the land of Jerusalem, yea, and in all the lands of my people, because of the wickedness and abominations of their husbands.

32 And I will not suffer, saith the Lord of Hosts, that the cries of the fair daughters of this people, which I have led out of the land of Jerusalem, shall come up unto me against the men of my people, saith the Lord of Hosts.

33 For they shall not lead away captive the daughters of my people because of their tenderness, save i shall visit them with a sore curse, even unto destruction; for they shall not commit whoredoms, like unto them of old, saith the Lord of Hosts.

34 And now behold, my brethren, ye know that these commandments were given to our father, Lehi; wherefore, ye have known them before; and ye have come unto great condemnation; for ye have done these things which ye ought not to have done.

35 Behold, ye have done greater iniquities than the Lamanites, our brethren. Ye have broken the hearts of your tender wives,
and lost the confidence of your children, because of your bad examples before them; and the sobbings of their hearts ascend up to God against you. And because of the strictness of the word of
God, which cometh down against you, many hearts died, pierced with deep wounds.



So section 132 of the D & C should be disregarded. Besides, it has Isaac as being a polygamist in the very first verse. He was not, he only had one wife, Rebecca. So if something inside is telling you to practice polygamy, that feeling is not from the Lord nor the Holy Spirit.

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