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If Brandon Smith is right, the Trump supporters here will have some big regrets. If the Trumpsters are right, I will gladly breathe a sigh of relief and say I'm sorry for doubting them.

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Cognitive dissonance is a powerful drug. It makes otherwise-very-intelligent people goofy and incoherent in their thinking and blinds them to certain realities that they should normally see right in front of their noses. I witness it all the time in the field of economics — a key piece of logic, a key fact that certain people absolutely refuse to take into account simply because they have a singular idea of how the world works and they cannot allow that idea to ever come into question. They would rather leap into a mental gymnastics routine worthy of an Olympic gold medal than examine the truth. And if you confront them on it, they’ll accuse YOU of being the one in denial.

This is how we ended up with the credit crisis and market crash of 2008/2009. This is how very few people saw the writing on the wall with Syria and ISIS and the fact that the funding and training of Islamic extremists by Western governments for the purpose of proxy insurgency might not be such a great concept. It is the reason why it took years for the mainstream to acknowledge the advent of the East/West paradigm, the same paradigm that alternative analysts warned about years in advance. This is why most mainstream AND alternative analysts completely discounted a successful Brexit referendum. And, it is why the vast majority of pundits could not even conceive of a Trump victory in 2016. I could write a list 20 pages long on all the geopolitical and fiscal developments most people missed because they were clinging to assumptions rather than evidence.

Unfortunately, the liberty movement is also sometimes vulnerable to such assumptions. The most dangerous of which revolve around the rise of President-elect Donald Trump.

I have seen endless theories over the past several months on all the ways in which the global elites would sabotage the Trump campaign. I believe the phrase “they will never allow him to win” was repeated in nearly every discussion on the election. The assumption in this instance was that Trump is “anti-establishment” and, therefore, a threat to the globalists. These are the same globalists that people also claimed would “rig the election,” or initiate a “coup” in the electoral college to stop a Trump presidency.

Of course, this never happened. So, a large percentage of the movement needs to question — why didn’t it happen? How did Trump win within a system we know has been rigged for decades?

You’ll hear hundreds of theories and rationalizations on Trump’s miraculous victory, but a reason you will almost never hear is also the most likely one: Trump won the election because he serves the interests of the establishment. Trump won because he is a fake.

This is not an idea that many liberty activists want to entertain. They were so repulsed by the proposition of Hillary Clinton taking the helm at the White House that they would have invested themselves in almost ANYONE running against her, even if they thought that candidate might be controlled opposition. However, not just anyone was fielded as a candidate; Trump was fielded, and for good reason. I predicted before the Republican and Democratic primaries that the final election would be between Trump and Clinton in my article Will A Trump Presidency Really Change Anything For The Better?, published in March, and here is a quote on why:

"The other ingenious aspect of the Trump campaign is really who he is running against — Hillary Clinton, a rabidly liberal candidate even more hated than Barack Obama. A candidate with a potentially serious criminal record and a penchant for an outright communistic world view far beyond that of Bernie Sanders. Those of us who have been in the writing field for a long time and have dabbled in fiction know that in order to create a fantastic hero, you must first put even more work into creating a fantastic villain. The hero is nothing without the villain.

The unmitigated horror inherent in the prospect of a Hillary Clinton presidency is like adding jet fuel to the Trump campaign. (And yes, I am assuming according to the results of the primaries so far that the final election will be between Trump and Clinton)."

My point back then as well as now is that without Clinton as the counter-party, Trump would not have garnered the political following he did. Any other Democratic candidate would not have galvanized conservatives so fervently. As I continued in my pre-primaries article:

“Donald Trump appears to be the perfect antithesis to Hillary Clinton. … the real question is, is Trump a reflection of the frustration and defiance of the conservative population, or, is he a clever ruse by the establishment to co-opt and placate the conservative population before we rebel?”

The staging of the 2016 election might have appeared to some people to be absolute chaos, but to me, it could not have been more perfectly scripted. In later articles covering the election I went on to give Trump a chance. I stated that I had little doubt that he would win the election and that this would be followed by an economic crisis, probably triggered early in his first term. Conservative movements would be set up as scapegoats for a crash the globalists had created. However, I believed it (marginally) possible that Trump was not aware of this strategy on the part of the elites. Today, I no longer hold this view.

The first and worst sign that Trump is not anywhere near “anti-establishment” has been his complete reversal of his original “drain the swamp” rhetoric. Trump is not only NOT draining the swamp that is the Washington D.C. and corporate elitist revolving door, he is adding even more creatures of varying ghoulishness. As Newt Gingrich, who describes himself as an outside adviser to Trump, recently stated:

“I’m told he now just disclaims that…” [Draining the swamp] “He now says it was cute, but he doesn’t want to use it anymore…”

There is a good reason why Trump no longer wants to use that particular slogan — his cabinet is now filled with the exact same elitists he used to slam along with the Washington establishment.

Trump first placed former Goldman Sachs partner Steven Mnuchin as Treasury Secretary. Goldman Sachs has a long history of insinuating its alumni into vital positions within government bodies dealing directly with the economy. Mnuchin is particularly troubling because of his ties to George Soros; Mnuchin used to work directly for George Soros at Soros Fund Management up until 2004.

Then, for those people that thought maybe Mnuchin was just an anomaly, Trump added Gary Cohn, president of Goldman Sachs, as the director of the National Economic Council.

Trump’s chief strategist and Breitbart executive Steve Bannon is also a former Goldman Sachs investment banker.

It is interesting to note that over a quarter of the gains in the delusional Dow Jones spike after Trump’s election was tied to a rise in Goldman Sachs stock value. Imagine that…

Trump is also now “advised” on economic matters by the likes of JP Morgan’s Jamie Dimon. Are we starting to get the picture here?

If that is not enough, then how about the fact that Trump is being closely advised by long time globalist Henry Kissinger (just as Vladimir Putin is advised by Kissinger)? I'm not sure why so many people are surprised by this arrangement; Trump was meeting with Kissinger months before the election. No matter the administration, there is ALWAYS a high level globalist behind the curtain. Barack Obama had Zbigniew Brzezinski, and Trump and Putin have Kissinger.

I won’t go into the numerous establishment Republicans that Trump has tapped for his administration, I will save that can of worms for another article, but anyone in the Liberty Movement that is not at least generally suspicious of Trump at this point is probably kidding themselves. The bottom line is, Trump has already LIED to his political base. He has surrounded himself with globalists and financial gatekeepers when he originally criticized Clinton for the same behavior. At this point, as long as he working in close proximity with such parasites there is no way for us to know if he is calling the shots, or if his handlers are making decisions for him.

I have heard it argued that Trump “has no choices” outside of D.C. insiders, which is why his cabinet is loaded with bottom feeders from Goldman Sachs. I find this argument rather naive. I would argue that there are thousands of brilliant professionals and people far more trustworthy outside of the beltway that could populate Trump’s cabinet and “make America great again.” I would even argue that ANY person with little experience inside the D.C. corruption chamber would be better suited to the job.

It seems to me that there are some activists that just can’t let go of the notion that Trump was the candidate the elites wanted all along. After all, didn’t the powers-that-be do everything in their power to try and stop him from winning the election?

Well, not really. The media firestorm surrounding Trump, though highly negative in tone, only boosted Trump’s exposure throughout the election. In fact, Trump received more coverage from outlets like CNN than all the other candidates combined.

This was the exact opposite tactic that the elitist controlled media used against true liberty candidate Ron Paul in 2012. With Paul, the media went out of their way to ignore him; they even refused to show a single Ron Paul campaign sign in a crowd if they could avoid it. This was a concerted systematic effort on the part of left AND right wing media outlets to ensure that no one outside of the internet heard about Ron Paul.

So what happened with Trump? Why did the mainstream media abandon a strategy that was very effective against Ron Paul, and why did they give Trump endless free coverage?

The elites also did not take very stringent measures to disrupt Trump’s candidacy early in the race. The Republican National Convention undertook a campaign of disinformation and rule changes in order to ensure that Ron Paul would have no chance of organizing an upset against establishment choice Mitt Romney. The same exact kind of treachery was used by the DNC in 2016 to sabotage Bernie Sanders — arguably a far more popular and effective candidate than Hillary Clinton. The party elites have numerous tools at their disposal to kill a candidate’s chances before he or she ever makes it on the national stage, yet, we are supposed to believe that Trump just slipped through the cracks, or beat them at their own game? I think not.

The election itself was riddled with email leaks and data dumps showcasing the corruption of the Clinton campaign, and yes, this did help to ensure a Trump win. The accusations of “Russian hacking” is clearly a sideshow, but the question remains, who did feed that information to Wikileaks? Some theorize that “disgruntled employees” within the U.S. intelligence apparatus may have leaked the data. I think they were not disgruntled. I think that most of the leaks were part of the election theater from the very beginning. In light of Trump’s clear goal to entrench banking vampires within his administration, I think that the elites always intended for him to “win” the election.

Of course, for some in the liberty movement this claim is sacrilegious. They don’t want to hear it, they’ll hate me for saying it, and that’s fine. I started my work in 2006 during the Bush years, and I remember quite well what it was like. I have little doubt that some people will be accusing me of being a "liberal" before they even finish this article, just as people called me a "Neo-Con" during the Obama administration. People who held fast to "conspiracy theories" surrounding the election and how Clinton was the "chosen one" will now hypocritically call me a "conspiracy theorist" for pointing out that NO ONE gets into the White House without being vetted by the elites, even Trump.

Working in alternative media means not caring if people like you or dislike you. I’ve been able to make numerous correct predictions because I do not concern myself with the pressures of conforming to group-think. My only hope is that many in the movement realize sooner rather than later that their faith in Trump has been ill invested. The great danger is that the liberty movement, the best last chance for saving this nation, will sit on its collective hands idle, centralizing all their hopes and eggs into the Trump basket, waiting for him to gallop in on his white horse and save us all from oblivion. And when that time comes, I suspect that he will do nothing, and the movement will be neutralized by its own desperate desire for a hero and an idol.

You can contact Brandon Smith at:

brandon@alt-market.com

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Some Ann Barnhardt to drive the point home...

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On Trump: The Odor of Kayfabe Remains So Very Strong
Hmmmm. As I posted the morning after the “election”, stay frosty. It’s all just too weird and “off” to be trusted.

And, sure enough, what are the headlines of the past 36 hour news cycle?

Over at Ace of Spades, which I keep an eye on to gauge the state of the deluded right, this: “Good morning, kids. Not to put too fine a point on it but the Democrats and the institutional Left, aided and abetted by the GOP-wing of their uniparty, are attempting to overthrow the election and the will of the American people.”

“Republicans say Obamacare won’t be repealed for at least three years.”
(Of course it won’t, and of course the Republicans want it to remain. How dumb do you have to be to not see this coming?)

“Republicans to block Trump tax cuts”
(Once again, duh. Of course.)

CIA declares Russians “fixed” Trump election
(And my Kayfabe meter pegs…)

“Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell back CIA over Trump”
(And my Kayfabe meter breaks the spring…)

“Trump says he will not pursue criminal investigation of Hillary Clinton”
(Knock me over with a feather…)

And what is Trump doing? Appointing Goldman Sachs execs, Mitch McConnell’s WIFE, Mitt Romney’s ex-sister-in-law, meeting with Manbearpig (Algore), and now with Kanye West, a talentless “rapper” (but I repeat myself) who is both teetering on the precipice of mental retardation and deeply mentally ill. Because THAT’S a priority?

Folks, this all stinks to high heaven. As you know, I thought Trump wanted nothing to do with being president of the (former) United States, and others speculated before the “election” that if Trump did, in fact, win that he would find a way to get out of it. He’s in way, way over his head. He isn’t a terribly smart man, and his rhetoric is extraordinarily shallow and devoid of real substance and content. Don’t you think it is strange that Trump has not put out any substantive position papers or educational materials on the state of the economy, healthcare delivery system, banking system, or really anything? Remember Ross Perot back in ’92? I was 15 years old during that campaign, and I watched every one of his instructional “infomercials” with the utmost attention. (**Yes, I fully acknowledge that Perot handed the 92 election to the Clintons, probably due to some sort of grudge against Bush 41 – such a betrayal.) In fact, I would say, looking back, that Perot’s attempt to simply educate people as to the problems in the economy inspired me to make the videos that I ended up making 20 years later. I would speculate that this motivation is shared by people like Karl Denninger, who has spent nearly a decade desperately trying to make people understand the catastrophic nature of the healthcare monopoly and price-fixing regime, which is the single biggest financial threat to this nation – bigger even than the baking and derivatives mess. Now ask yourself, given Trump’s bully pulpit and ability to self-finance, why hasn’t Trump done anything similar? Why aren’t there Donald Trump videos EXPLAINING the key dynamics of the massive problems, and explaining his plans for remedying these things? I suspect it is because Trump has little-to-no understanding of these problems himself, or if he does, doesn’t particularly care. I suspect that if you have read Karl Deninger’s book “Leverage“, and watched my video on Economics – just those two things – you probably have a vastly superior understanding of what the hell is going on than Trump ever will.

The Republicans are clearly telling him to leave, and I can’t shake the feeling that Trump himself wants out. I dunno. I was wrong about the “election” itself – I thought the media was reporting the polls drawing close in order to give a Clinton “win” the odor of legitimacy in the eyes of the public. (Aw shucks, it was close, but she squeaked it out…) We know that the puppet masters behind Obama have always despised the Clintons, and she does seem to be out of the way now.

Finally, I watched a video linked over at AmericanDigest.org of Victor Davis Hanson, who one can’t help but like, and he made several good points, but his entire premise is SO DELUSIONAL. He keeps talking about “the Republicans” having the White House, the Congress, the Governors mansions in so many states, the state legislatures, etc., and how this all portends such wonderful things, and how we are going to be able to undo so much damage and get so many things done now. And I just shake my head. What planet is VDH, whom I really do admire, living on? Has he not been around for the past decade and watched the “Republicans” implement the Obama regime’s strategy without the slightest resistance? Does VDH honestly think that after what we saw during the “election” cycle that the “Republicans” would actually cooperate with Trump’s stated agenda (making the wild assumption in the first place that Trump himself would even pursue his own stated agenda)? I mean, COME ON.

My point is, I just have a very, very bad feeling about what is going to transpire between now and January 20th, and I would urge one and all to think long and hard about whom exactly you are casting your lot with. It’s a horrible feeling to look out at the battle space and see no one you can trust. I know. Satan really has set a brilliant chessboard. But, we let him do it. Not only did we make bad moves, we sat passive and paralyzed and forfeited our moves for years.

Bottom line: I think what we are seeing now is the coming to fruition of my warning since ARSH 2008 that these people, once they have power, will never, ever just walk away.

I hope I’m wrong (again).



This entry was posted in Uncategorized on December 13, ARSH 2016.

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"Satan really has set a brilliant chessboard. But, we let him do it. Not only did we make bad moves, we sat passive and paralyzed and forfeited our moves for years."

This is my biggest criticism of the Latter-day Saint people.

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Your thread title doesn't make much sense. Why would they want someone shouting about their globalist agenda from the roof tops . . . who is allied with the architect of the Brexit . . . . who seems to have a handle on undermining covert US support for ISIS . . . who is undermining their globalist trade deals.

Where the elites really want him is out of the Presidency or dead . . .

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Unfortunately, I believe that the thread title is correct.
Unfortunately, I believe he will remain there for most of his term.

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Yes, I predicted that the elites wanted Trump the first time Trump said something outrageous and The media was initially outraged but then made excuses. (he doesn't do politically correct, he speaks his mind, etc.)

Trump is the perfect megalomanic foil for the megalomaniac Putin going into WW3.

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larsenb wrote:Your thread title doesn't make much sense. Why would they want someone shouting about their globalist agenda from the roof tops . . . who is allied with the architect of the Brexit . . . . who seems to have a handle on undermining covert US support for ISIS . . . who is undermining their globalist trade deals.

Where the elites really want him is out of the Presidency or dead . . .
Larsen,
The thread title comes from the article title by Brandon Smith. You puzzlement makes me think you didn't read the entire article. Brandon has put together a very persuasive argument over the past year about why Trump is in his current position. So just as you recommend certain members here read Christopher Bollyn to gain an understanding of 9/11 truth, I plead with you to read his articles. (By the way, Brandon also predicted the Brexit vote and explained why it would happen. Read his stuff at http://www.alt-market.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; )

If those same unrepentant and unindicted elites could bring down the Twin Towers and fly something into the Pentagon, it would be a little thing for them to bring down Trump, if they really wanted to.

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Silver wrote:
larsenb wrote:Your thread title doesn't make much sense. Why would they want someone shouting about their globalist agenda from the roof tops . . . who is allied with the architect of the Brexit . . . . who seems to have a handle on undermining covert US support for ISIS . . . who is undermining their globalist trade deals.

Where the elites really want him is out of the Presidency or dead . . .
Larsen,
The thread title comes from the article title by Brandon Smith. You puzzlement makes me think you didn't read the entire article. Brandon has put together a very persuasive argument over the past year about why Trump is in his current position. So just as you recommend certain members here read Christopher Bollyn to gain an understanding of 9/11 truth, I plead with you to read his articles. (By the way, Brandon also predicted the Brexit vote and explained why it would happen. Read his stuff at http://www.alt-market.com" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; )

If those same unrepentant and unindicted elites could bring down the Twin Towers and fly something into the Pentagon, it would be a little thing for them to bring down Trump, if they really wanted to.
You're right. I was just responding off-the-cuff to the title. But if he is to be their foil for blaming the economic crash, I think that is just their fall-back position.

But I'll have to actually read Brandon Smith's ideas.

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The sooner Americans understand that Trump is allowed to serve only to placate angry Americans, the better. 2016 was actually not a bad year. Guys like Brandon Smith and Ron Paul, websites like zerohedge and others got attacked for being "fake news" by the actual purveyors of false news. The elites have massive control over the affairs of the world, but they're still afraid of free-thinkers (and the guns in the hands of those liberty-minded folks). Looking forward to more fun and games in 2017.

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Silver wrote:The sooner Americans understand that Trump is allowed to serve only to placate angry Americans, the better. 2016 was actually not a bad year. Guys like Brandon Smith and Ron Paul, websites like zerohedge and others got attacked for being "fake news" by the actual purveyors of false news. The elites have massive control over the affairs of the world, but they're still afraid of free-thinkers (and the guns in the hands of those liberty-minded folks). Looking forward to more fun and games in 2017.
You and Grady have been busy posting speculative articles against Trump. But we do need a President, Senators, Congressmen, etc. So who do you recommend to fill such positions?

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moonwhim wrote:
Silver wrote:The sooner Americans understand that Trump is allowed to serve only to placate angry Americans, the better. 2016 was actually not a bad year. Guys like Brandon Smith and Ron Paul, websites like zerohedge and others got attacked for being "fake news" by the actual purveyors of false news. The elites have massive control over the affairs of the world, but they're still afraid of free-thinkers (and the guns in the hands of those liberty-minded folks). Looking forward to more fun and games in 2017.
You and Grady have been busy posting speculative articles against Trump. But we do need a President, Senators, Congressmen, etc. So who do you recommend to fill such positions?
If Hillary had won and filled her cabinet with bankers from Goldman Sachs which paid her big speaking fees the so-called conservatives would be on fire. Trump does it and it's ho-hum.

I voted for Darrell Castle for president. He was my recommendation. How about yours?

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Seriously, why can't the Trumpsters here overcome their cognitive dissonance?

"If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their Fathers conquered.... I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies.... The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs." Thomas Jefferson

Hey, y'all. Don't look now but your hero Trump is in bed with the bankers.

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From what I can see, the elites genuinely despise Trump. Only because he is not part of their club and privy to their secret proceedings and long term plans for the world. A loose cannon. Which is the other problem. He is simply naive. He could be manipulated by the elites. I suspect the elites would still rather take him out then have to attempt to co-opt him down the road. They don't want a repeat of JFK and Reagan.

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InfoWarrior82 wrote:From what I can see, the elites genuinely despise Trump. Only because he is not part of their club and privy to their secret proceedings and long term plans for the world. A loose cannon. Which is the other problem. He is simply naive. He could be manipulated by the elites. I suspect the elites would still rather take him out then have to attempt to co-opt him down the road. They don't want a repeat of JFK and Reagan.
The counter-argument to your comments is plain ol' reality. If the elites didn't want Trump to be president, they would have ensured a Hillary victory or eliminated Trump before he had a chance to win the presidency.

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Wnat more could the "elites"/LDGs have done to ensure a Hillary election win without exposing their doings ?

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lundbaek wrote:Wnat more could the "elites"/LDGs have done to ensure a Hillary election win without exposing their doings ?
Indeed.

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lundbaek wrote:Wnat more could the "elites"/LDGs have done to ensure a Hillary election win without exposing their doings ?
Ignore Trump's campaign like they did Ron Paul's.

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InfoWarrior82 wrote:From what I can see, the elites genuinely despise Trump. Only because he is not part of their club and privy to their secret proceedings and long term plans for the world. A loose cannon. Which is the other problem. He is simply naive. He could be manipulated by the elites. I suspect the elites would still rather take him out then have to attempt to co-opt him down the road. They don't want a repeat of JFK and Reagan.
The counter-argument to your comments is plain ol' reality. If the elites didn't want Trump to be president, they would have ensured a Hillary victory or eliminated Trump before he had a chance to win the presidency.

They certainly felt confident that Hillary was going to be installed using their previous tried-and-true methods of media manipulation combined with election fraud. The problem with these methods, is that it cannot overcome a landslide. Their stranglehold over the minds of the citizens is beginning to break. (Refer to the Wikileaks where the Hillary camp actually wanted Trump to the be nominee for the Repubs because they thought that he was the weakest candidate of them all).

But it is not just the American Elite that hate Trump. It's the world Elite.

In a hypothetical world without modern day gadiantons, Trump may just be an awful president all on his own. But honestly, my opinion is that the world elite are having a genuine meltdown over him.

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Silver wrote:
lundbaek wrote:Wnat more could the "elites"/LDGs have done to ensure a Hillary election win without exposing their doings ?
Ignore Trump's campaign like they did Ron Paul's.
Very weak argument. Trump is and has been good copy. Plus, by far, the publicity he was getting from the MSM amounted to ridicule, derision and spun garbage and negative, negative commentary.

Ron Paul, on the other hand, is not good copy and does not have an up-front, bigger than life persona such as Trump who also speaks his mind and doesn't pull his verbal punches.

The media simply could not ignore Trump, so they resorted to the tactics mentioned.

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larsenb wrote:
Silver wrote:
lundbaek wrote:Wnat more could the "elites"/LDGs have done to ensure a Hillary election win without exposing their doings ?
Ignore Trump's campaign like they did Ron Paul's.
Very weak argument. Trump is and has been good copy. Plus, by far, the publicity he was getting from the MSM amounted to ridicule, derision and spun garbage and negative, negative commentary.

Ron Paul, on the other hand, is not good copy and does not have an up-front, bigger than life persona such as Trump who also speaks his mind and doesn't pull his verbal punches.

The media simply could not ignore Trump, so they resorted to the tactics mentioned.
We'll agree to disagree on this point until you see that I am right.

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Silver wrote:
InfoWarrior82 wrote:From what I can see, the elites genuinely despise Trump. Only because he is not part of their club and privy to their secret proceedings and long term plans for the world. A loose cannon. Which is the other problem. He is simply naive. He could be manipulated by the elites. I suspect the elites would still rather take him out then have to attempt to co-opt him down the road. They don't want a repeat of JFK and Reagan.
The counter-argument to your comments is plain ol' reality. If the elites didn't want Trump to be president, they would have ensured a Hillary victory or eliminated Trump before he had a chance to win the presidency.

They certainly felt confident that Hillary was going to be installed using their previous tried-and-true methods of media manipulation combined with election fraud. The problem with these methods, is that it cannot overcome a landslide. Their stranglehold over the minds of the citizens is beginning to break. (Refer to the Wikileaks where the Hillary camp actually wanted Trump to the be nominee for the Repubs because they thought that he was the weakest candidate of them all).

But it is not just the American Elite that hate Trump. It's the world Elite.

In a hypothetical world without modern day gadiantons, Trump may just be an awful president all on his own. But honestly, my opinion is that the world elite are having a genuine meltdown over him.
Then I guess our definitions of the term "elite" differs. The elites I know would use assassination or blackmail to eliminate their problem. Your elites must have learned the Golden Rule in Primary.

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InfoWarrior82 wrote:
Silver wrote:
InfoWarrior82 wrote:From what I can see, the elites genuinely despise Trump. Only because he is not part of their club and privy to their secret proceedings and long term plans for the world. A loose cannon. Which is the other problem. He is simply naive. He could be manipulated by the elites. I suspect the elites would still rather take him out then have to attempt to co-opt him down the road. They don't want a repeat of JFK and Reagan.
The counter-argument to your comments is plain ol' reality. If the elites didn't want Trump to be president, they would have ensured a Hillary victory or eliminated Trump before he had a chance to win the presidency.

They certainly felt confident that Hillary was going to be installed using their previous tried-and-true methods of media manipulation combined with election fraud. The problem with these methods, is that it cannot overcome a landslide. Their stranglehold over the minds of the citizens is beginning to break. (Refer to the Wikileaks where the Hillary camp actually wanted Trump to the be nominee for the Repubs because they thought that he was the weakest candidate of them all).

But it is not just the American Elite that hate Trump. It's the world Elite.

In a hypothetical world without modern day gadiantons, Trump may just be an awful president all on his own. But honestly, my opinion is that the world elite are having a genuine meltdown over him.
Then I guess our definitions of the term "elite" differs. The elites I know would use assassination or blackmail to eliminate their problem. Your elites must have learned the Golden Rule in Primary.

I still think assassination is in the cards. Before or after inauguration. If not before, I think they will do everything they can to set the chessboard geo-politically so they can give him several "no-win" situations where he will be forced to play ball. If that all fails, we'll see another JFK/Reagan incident.

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Re: Trump Is Exactly Where The Elites Want Him

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Silver wrote:
larsenb wrote:
Silver wrote:
lundbaek wrote:Wnat more could the "elites"/LDGs have done to ensure a Hillary election win without exposing their doings ?
Ignore Trump's campaign like they did Ron Paul's.
Very weak argument. Trump is and has been good copy. Plus, by far, the publicity he was getting from the MSM amounted to ridicule, derision and spun garbage and negative, negative commentary.

Ron Paul, on the other hand, is not good copy and does not have an up-front, bigger than life persona such as Trump who also speaks his mind and doesn't pull his verbal punches.

The media simply could not ignore Trump, so they resorted to the tactics mentioned.
We'll agree to disagree on this point until you see that I am right.
Neva happen GI

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Re: Trump Is Exactly Where The Elites Want Him

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InfoWarrior82 wrote:
Silver wrote:
InfoWarrior82 wrote:
Silver wrote:
The counter-argument to your comments is plain ol' reality. If the elites didn't want Trump to be president, they would have ensured a Hillary victory or eliminated Trump before he had a chance to win the presidency.

They certainly felt confident that Hillary was going to be installed using their previous tried-and-true methods of media manipulation combined with election fraud. The problem with these methods, is that it cannot overcome a landslide. Their stranglehold over the minds of the citizens is beginning to break. (Refer to the Wikileaks where the Hillary camp actually wanted Trump to the be nominee for the Repubs because they thought that he was the weakest candidate of them all).

But it is not just the American Elite that hate Trump. It's the world Elite.

In a hypothetical world without modern day gadiantons, Trump may just be an awful president all on his own. But honestly, my opinion is that the world elite are having a genuine meltdown over him.
Then I guess our definitions of the term "elite" differs. The elites I know would use assassination or blackmail to eliminate their problem. Your elites must have learned the Golden Rule in Primary.

I still think assassination is in the cards. Before or after inauguration. If not before, I think they will do everything they can to set the chessboard geo-politically so they can give him several "no-win" situations where he will be forced to play ball. If that all fails, we'll see another JFK/Reagan incident.
Trump is aware of the elites. He has had his financial hiney saved by them on multiple occasions. He has nominated elites to the Cabinet. He has socialized with the elites for most of his career. Are you trying to tell me that you now believe Trump is somehow going to turn his back on those same elites and go patriotic on them? That Trump has weighed the cost to himself and his family and said he will return the country to Constitutional principles no matter what? That he'll end the Federal Reserve and destroy private banking? That he'll shutter all the unconstitutional departments of government?

That sort of thinking requires such a monumental suspension of disbelief. There was only one candidate in the 2016 presidential election more distasteful than Trump. It was Hillary. The public simply chose the candidate the elites steered us towards.

Finally, consider Trump's military choices. What have they accomplished? Warmongering Americans walk around bragging about having the world's mightiest military and yet we can't win a single war since WW2. More like tuck tail and run is all we've done. The generals that Trump chose have presided over a travesty in military operations. Why couldn't they win if they're so good? Or if it was a no-win situation why didn't they demand that our sons and daughters be taken out of harm's way? Because those generals like their paychecks courtesy of the bankers that finance our wars.

It's hard to convince a man of the truth when his paycheck depends on believing something else.

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Re: Trump Is Exactly Where The Elites Want Him

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Silver wrote: . . . . There was only one candidate in the 2016 presidential election more distasteful than Trump. It was Hillary. The public simply chose the candidate the elites steered us towards. . . . .
Uh huh. Yup. Brilliant, Silver. These genius elites! That was some mighty sophisticated stearin', I gotta say. They must have used an incredibly sophisticated and subtle reverse psychology methodology.

But once again, you tip your hand w/your intense dislike of the man . . . so I guess your point of view makes a certain amount of sense. One can at least see where you're coming from.

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