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Fiannan wrote:Then why did Elder Dieter F. Uchtdorf's family get bombed in WW2? Weren't they being righteous enough?
I don't understand, are you implying the German people elected Hitler? The didn't, he was appointed.

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SmallFarm wrote:
Fiannan wrote:Then why did Elder Dieter F. Uchtdorf's family get bombed in WW2? Weren't they being righteous enough?
I don't understand, are you implying the German people elected Hitler? The didn't, he was appointed.
No, there were lots of good people in Germany and many were LDS as well. They still wound up under oppression, and then firebombed by Britain and the USA. Why did God forsake them? Or is it that it rains on the wicked and the righteous? If the nation goes the wrong way then those who really put their faith in God will perish as well.

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Fiannan wrote:
SmallFarm wrote:
Fiannan wrote:Then why did Elder Dieter F. Uchtdorf's family get bombed in WW2? Weren't they being righteous enough?
I don't understand, are you implying the German people elected Hitler? The didn't, he was appointed.
No, there were lots of good people in Germany and many were LDS as well. They still wound up under oppression, and then firebombed by Britain and the USA. Why did God forsake them? Or is it that it rains on the wicked and the righteous? If the nation goes the wrong way then those who really put their faith in God will perish as well.
Oh I see you're trying to twist my words into the prosperity doctrine.... nice :(

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Here is a great article about voting on principle. http://www.ldsliberty.org/why-you-vote- ... e-matters/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

He goes through how voting for something bad for the right reasons instead of voting for good for the right reasons is a form of idolatry. It's like what President Kimball called being "anti-enemy" instead of "pro-kingdom of God" It is a deception. Speaking against something or someone by picking the lesser evil is still voting for evil (supporting evil) making you anti-kingdom of God. We think by destroying the worst and choosing semi-bad that we will get some sort of gray in the middle. We are either voting for good, or we are voting for evil.

Here's a few quotes I like.

"Under existing circumstances we have no alternative, and if we can accomplish our object, well, if not we shall have the satisfaction of knowing that we have acted conscientiously, and have used our best judgment. And if we have to throw away our votes, we had better do so upon a worthy rather than an unworthy individual who might make use of the weapon we put in his hand to destroy us.” -Joseph Smith, Jr., talking about his Presidential run.

"We engage in the election the same as in any other principle; you are to vote for good men, and if you do not do this it is a sin; to vote for wicked men, it would be sin. Choose the good and refuse the evil. Men of false principles have preyed upon us like wolves upon helpless lambs. Damn the rod of tyranny; curse it. Let every man use his liberties according to the Constitution. Don't fear man or devil; electioneer with all people, male and female, and exhort them to do the thing that is right. We want a President of the U.S., not a party President, but a President of the whole people; for a party President disfranchises the opposite party. Have a President who will maintain every man in his rights." -Pres. Hyrum Smith

Another one I like, but haven't been able to verify as of yet is the one in the article linked.

"If you vote for the lesser of two evils you are still voting for evil and you will be judged for it. You should always vote for the best possible candidate, whether they have a chance of winning or not, and then, even if the worst possible candidate wins, the Lord will bless our country more because more people were willing to stand up for what is right." Ezra Taft Benson (supposedly)

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Mark Levin talked about how 1.8 million dead people are registered to vote. Also, the voting machines don't need to be hacked, because they are already programed to count you as 20% of a vote or 50% of a vote rather than count you as a whole unless you vote for Hillary. Kate Dalley dumped that little fact on us. George Soros owns the voting machines used in 16 states.

The best we can do is vote for what we know is right and trust the Lord to bless the land for the righteous. The system is rigged to get you to feel demoralized and either not vote or vote for evil. Who decides who the top 10 pundents are? The media does. What makes these people so special? Nothing, they are more of the same. The good ones only get there because they have enough money to get in. But the media will manipulate the polls all the way til election day. They will show that so and so suddenly surged forward, or say that republicans are leaving trump in droves. Just because they say it, doesn't mean we have to listen and believe it. Latter-day saints more than anybody need to learn to think for themselves. Why should the media tell us who is presidential or electable. Turn off your televisons people. The media distorts everything the election process should mean to us.

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Spend 4 minutes of your time listening to Jill Stein speak the truth about Trump's words and Clinton's track record. She also makes the perfect case for why nobody should vote for the lesser of two evils. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8z6n0Lz_dI" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

We have also been taught by our leaders in the Church to not vote for the lesser of two evils. Are you going to obey and earn some blessings?
https://www.lds.org/liahona/2016/10/the ... _&lang=eng" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

More reasons every day make me so glad I found Darrell Castle.

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Merriner wrote:Here is a great article about voting on principle. http://www.ldsliberty.org/why-you-vote- ... e-matters/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

He goes through how voting for something bad for the right reasons instead of voting for good for the right reasons is a form of idolatry. It's like what President Kimball called being "anti-enemy" instead of "pro-kingdom of God" It is a deception. Speaking against something or someone by picking the lesser evil is still voting for evil (supporting evil) making you anti-kingdom of God. We think by destroying the worst and choosing semi-bad that we will get some sort of gray in the middle. We are either voting for good, or we are voting for evil.

Here's a few quotes I like.

"Under existing circumstances we have no alternative, and if we can accomplish our object, well, if not we shall have the satisfaction of knowing that we have acted conscientiously, and have used our best judgment. And if we have to throw away our votes, we had better do so upon a worthy rather than an unworthy individual who might make use of the weapon we put in his hand to destroy us.” -Joseph Smith, Jr., talking about his Presidential run.

"We engage in the election the same as in any other principle; you are to vote for good men, and if you do not do this it is a sin; to vote for wicked men, it would be sin. Choose the good and refuse the evil. Men of false principles have preyed upon us like wolves upon helpless lambs. Damn the rod of tyranny; curse it. Let every man use his liberties according to the Constitution. Don't fear man or devil; electioneer with all people, male and female, and exhort them to do the thing that is right. We want a President of the U.S., not a party President, but a President of the whole people; for a party President disfranchises the opposite party. Have a President who will maintain every man in his rights." -Pres. Hyrum Smith

Another one I like, but haven't been able to verify as of yet is the one in the article linked.

"If you vote for the lesser of two evils you are still voting for evil and you will be judged for it. You should always vote for the best possible candidate, whether they have a chance of winning or not, and then, even if the worst possible candidate wins, the Lord will bless our country more because more people were willing to stand up for what is right." Ezra Taft Benson (supposedly)
I am currently reading the article you posted so I will let you know my thoughts. I love the quotes you posted. The last one by Ezra is not technically official. A man named Mike Thompson said he met with Ezra in private and that is what Ezra said to him. It doesn't make it any less true though... :)

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Merriner wrote:Here is a great article about voting on principle. http://www.ldsliberty.org/why-you-vote- ... e-matters/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I REALLY liked this article. It was well written. I think anyone here should read it. One thing that stood out to me (I added a couple verses that were not included in the article) was this scripture:

D&C 98:9-11
9. Nevertheless, when the wicked rule the people mourn.

10. Wherefore, honest men and wise men should be sought for diligently, and good men and wise men ye should observe to uphold; otherwise whatsoever is less than these cometh of evil.

11. And I give unto you a commandment, that ye shall forsake all evil and cleave unto all good, that ye shall live by every word which proceedeth forth out of the mouth of God.

The more research I do. The more I come to the conclusion that Darrell is the only option for me to vote for.

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Yea most still believe the whole 2 party system.. and that system mocks and belittles the chance of the third party..

if we would all vote based on what the First Presidency suggested the third or fourth party would gain enough popularity and attention where the final election would have 3 or 4 candidates at the end and after a few elections i think it would overtake the corrupt and puppet parties of the Republicans and Democrats

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sandman45 wrote:Yea most still believe the whole 2 party system.. and that system mocks and belittles the chance of the third party..

if we would all vote based on what the First Presidency suggested the third or fourth party would gain enough popularity and attention where the final election would have 3 or 4 candidates at the end and after a few elections i think it would overtake the corrupt and puppet parties of the Republicans and Democrats
That is why a vote for Hillary or Trump is a vote for the Gadianton Robbers.

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SmallFarm wrote:
Fiannan wrote:Then why did Elder Dieter F. Uchtdorf's family get bombed in WW2? Weren't they being righteous enough?
I don't understand, are you implying the German people elected Hitler? The didn't, he was appointed.
Hmmm...While I don't blame the voters for what Hitler turned out to be, his party's platform was straightforward and voters did put the Nazi party in power. I think you're being taken in by a technicality, designed to absolve the German people of feeling responsible for voting in Hitler. You might want to read this:

http://diebesteallerzeiten.de/blog/2009 ... y-elected/

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AI2.0 wrote:
SmallFarm wrote:
Fiannan wrote:Then why did Elder Dieter F. Uchtdorf's family get bombed in WW2? Weren't they being righteous enough?
I don't understand, are you implying the German people elected Hitler? The didn't, he was appointed.
Hmmm...While I don't blame the voters for what Hitler turned out to be, his party's platform was straightforward and voters did put the Nazi party in power. I think you're being taken in by a technicality, designed to absolve the German people of feeling responsible for voting in Hitler. You might want to read this:

http://diebesteallerzeiten.de/blog/2009 ... y-elected/
You're missing the point entirely.

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sandman45 wrote:Yea most still believe the whole 2 party system.. and that system mocks and belittles the chance of the third party..

if we would all vote based on what the First Presidency suggested the third or fourth party would gain enough popularity and attention where the final election would have 3 or 4 candidates at the end and after a few elections i think it would overtake the corrupt and puppet parties of the Republicans and Democrats
I agree

We should be concerned about this strong condemnation of other parties besides the two biggies, Democrat and Republican, because they'd essentially got a stranglehold on the political process and if there is ever doing to be any real change, their hold on power must be broken. We MUST start a third party or conservatives will have no voice or influence in politics. I just hope that after the election, conscientious voters will recognize that They were manipulated into thinking they had to vote for only the two parties, and that this was done to protect their power. If voters don't figure this out, then we're done. We will have two parties--a socialist/liberal party and a liberal/moderate party.

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SmallFarm wrote:
AI2.0 wrote:
SmallFarm wrote:
Fiannan wrote:Then why did Elder Dieter F. Uchtdorf's family get bombed in WW2? Weren't they being righteous enough?
I don't understand, are you implying the German people elected Hitler? The didn't, he was appointed.
Hmmm...While I don't blame the voters for what Hitler turned out to be, his party's platform was straightforward and voters did put the Nazi party in power. I think you're being taken in by a technicality, designed to absolve the German people of feeling responsible for voting in Hitler. You might want to read this:

http://diebesteallerzeiten.de/blog/2009 ... y-elected/
You're missing the point entirely.
Okaaay....don't bother reading it.

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AI2.0 said:
We should be concerned about this strong condemnation of other parties besides the two biggies, Democrat and Republican, because they'd essentially got a stranglehold on the political process and if there is ever doing to be any real change, their hold on power must be broken. We MUST start a third party or conservatives will have no voice or influence in politics. I just hope that after the election, conscientious voters will recognize that They were manipulated into thinking they had to vote for only the two parties, and that this was done to protect their power. If voters don't figure this out, then we're done. We will have two parties--a socialist/liberal party and a liberal/moderate party.
I completely agree. Most Americans have been so indoctrinated into the two party system that's all they know. The media, and the dumbing down of education does not help this either. The best thing we can do, is to try to spread the word, and hope that the American people figure it out before it's too late.

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anonymous91 wrote:AI2.0 said:
We should be concerned about this strong condemnation of other parties besides the two biggies, Democrat and Republican, because they'd essentially got a stranglehold on the political process and if there is ever doing to be any real change, their hold on power must be broken. We MUST start a third party or conservatives will have no voice or influence in politics. I just hope that after the election, conscientious voters will recognize that They were manipulated into thinking they had to vote for only the two parties, and that this was done to protect their power. If voters don't figure this out, then we're done. We will have two parties--a socialist/liberal party and a liberal/moderate party.
I completely agree. Most Americans have been so indoctrinated into the two party system that's all they know. The media, and the dumbing down of education does not help this either. The best thing we can do, is to try to spread the word, and hope that the American people figure it out before it's too late.
It is too late.

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anonymous91 wrote:AI2.0 said:
We should be concerned about this strong condemnation of other parties besides the two biggies, Democrat and Republican, because they'd essentially got a stranglehold on the political process and if there is ever doing to be any real change, their hold on power must be broken. We MUST start a third party or conservatives will have no voice or influence in politics. I just hope that after the election, conscientious voters will recognize that They were manipulated into thinking they had to vote for only the two parties, and that this was done to protect their power. If voters don't figure this out, then we're done. We will have two parties--a socialist/liberal party and a liberal/moderate party.
I completely agree. Most Americans have been so indoctrinated into the two party system that's all they know. The media, and the dumbing down of education does not help this either. The best thing we can do, is to try to spread the word, and hope that the American people figure it out before it's too late.
I agree and I don't think it's too late, but it will get much worse before things get better, IMO. I believe that Joseph Smith did declare a prophecy about the state of our Nation and that we're seeing that time now. I see and hear many secular commentators warn that the Constitution hangs by a thread, and so, I feel after things get worse, the people will be humbled and repentant, the people, especially the LDS people, will be instrumental in saving the Constitution and our Nation.

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AI2.0 wrote:
sandman45 wrote:Yea most still believe the whole 2 party system.. and that system mocks and belittles the chance of the third party..

if we would all vote based on what the First Presidency suggested the third or fourth party would gain enough popularity and attention where the final election would have 3 or 4 candidates at the end and after a few elections i think it would overtake the corrupt and puppet parties of the Republicans and Democrats
I agree

We should be concerned about this strong condemnation of other parties besides the two biggies, Democrat and Republican, because they'd essentially got a stranglehold on the political process and if there is ever doing to be any real change, their hold on power must be broken. We MUST start a third party or conservatives will have no voice or influence in politics. I just hope that after the election, conscientious voters will recognize that They were manipulated into thinking they had to vote for only the two parties, and that this was done to protect their power. If voters don't figure this out, then we're done. We will have two parties--a socialist/liberal party and a liberal/moderate party.
Your comments are correct, but I'm afraid it's already too late. We, as a nation, have committed legal plunder as described by Bastiat. There are so many people who receive government assistance now there is no way that a majority will now vote to cut off those entitlements, and this includes the much larger corporate welfare as well. So the consequences of our poor choices will come as naturally as the day follows the night. Wailing and gnashing of teeth is our national future.

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AI2.0 wrote:
anonymous91 wrote:AI2.0 said:
We should be concerned about this strong condemnation of other parties besides the two biggies, Democrat and Republican, because they'd essentially got a stranglehold on the political process and if there is ever doing to be any real change, their hold on power must be broken. We MUST start a third party or conservatives will have no voice or influence in politics. I just hope that after the election, conscientious voters will recognize that They were manipulated into thinking they had to vote for only the two parties, and that this was done to protect their power. If voters don't figure this out, then we're done. We will have two parties--a socialist/liberal party and a liberal/moderate party.
I completely agree. Most Americans have been so indoctrinated into the two party system that's all they know. The media, and the dumbing down of education does not help this either. The best thing we can do, is to try to spread the word, and hope that the American people figure it out before it's too late.
I agree and I don't think it's too late, but it will get much worse before things get better, IMO. I believe that Joseph Smith did declare a prophecy about the state of our Nation and that we're seeing that time now. I see and hear many secular commentators warn that the Constitution hangs by a thread, and so, I feel after things get worse, the people will be humbled and repentant, the people, especially the LDS people, will be instrumental in saving the Constitution and our Nation.
OK, now I see this latest post by you so I will change my comments slightly. It is too late for the USA to keep its current configuration of 50 states. There may be a remnant of people, Latter Day Saints and others, who return to Constitutional principles, but it will be on a smaller footprint than what now makes up our national territory.

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GrandMasterB wrote:
anonymous91 wrote:AI2.0 said:
We should be concerned about this strong condemnation of other parties besides the two biggies, Democrat and Republican, because they'd essentially got a stranglehold on the political process and if there is ever doing to be any real change, their hold on power must be broken. We MUST start a third party or conservatives will have no voice or influence in politics. I just hope that after the election, conscientious voters will recognize that They were manipulated into thinking they had to vote for only the two parties, and that this was done to protect their power. If voters don't figure this out, then we're done. We will have two parties--a socialist/liberal party and a liberal/moderate party.
I completely agree. Most Americans have been so indoctrinated into the two party system that's all they know. The media, and the dumbing down of education does not help this either. The best thing we can do, is to try to spread the word, and hope that the American people figure it out before it's too late.
It is too late.
It is not too late. It's time states take back delegated authority from the government. It's beautifully woven into our Constitution which is inspired of God.

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Be_of_good_cheer wrote:
GrandMasterB wrote:
anonymous91 wrote:AI2.0 said:
We should be concerned about this strong condemnation of other parties besides the two biggies, Democrat and Republican, because they'd essentially got a stranglehold on the political process and if there is ever doing to be any real change, their hold on power must be broken. We MUST start a third party or conservatives will have no voice or influence in politics. I just hope that after the election, conscientious voters will recognize that They were manipulated into thinking they had to vote for only the two parties, and that this was done to protect their power. If voters don't figure this out, then we're done. We will have two parties--a socialist/liberal party and a liberal/moderate party.
I completely agree. Most Americans have been so indoctrinated into the two party system that's all they know. The media, and the dumbing down of education does not help this either. The best thing we can do, is to try to spread the word, and hope that the American people figure it out before it's too late.
It is too late.
It is not too late. It's time states take back delegated authority from the government. It's beautifully woven into our Constitution which is inspired of God.
You are correct, but it just won't go down the way you hope. First, you have to trust that those who call for a constitutional conference can be trusted. Allowing the same politicians to fix the very problem they created (that they created knowing full well what would be the results), is insanity.

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I believe that by voting for Darrell I am putting my support behind a good but imperfect man that wants to get back to the Constitution. He will likely not win, but I refuse to be a part of the two party agenda. TPTB are herding the majority of people in the same direction (albeit slightly separate paths) with Trump and Hillary. They are both evil. After all is said and done, it's really the spirit of the Constitution that is dying rather than the words being ignored. The people are turning away from God in droves. I believe one of the only ways to get the spirit of the Constitution back is for God to cleanse and people to repent. And I believe that will likely be the last cleansing before Christ comes again anyway. I do not know the details of the future, but I believe that you cannot serve God and support evil.

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bb,
There is a reason we have The Book of Mormon now. It shows with unmistakable clarity what happens to the people in nations that no longer follow God. Since our Heavenly Father knows how to be perfectly merciful, He waits until He can longer deny the demands of justice. Then His protection is removed and the people experience the consequences of their choices and actions.

The Dems and the GOP have chosen their figureheads. Despite many of those parties agreeing with at least a majority the platform of the Constitution Party, the need to "win" is more important than principle to them. Well, we shall reap what we sow.

The other thing that The BoM shows is the need for the righteous to relocate when their society gets polluted. I don't know if there will be a call-out as described by some here and on AVOW. However, it would be comforting if the Lord directed Church leadership to organize some sort of gathering when things get bad in some areas.

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Currently the majority of people have been so indoctrinated with the two party system, that our only realistic choices are Clinton and Trump.

If this was not the case, then voting for Castle would be a much better choice. However, that is not the reality.

Now, I understand and agree that Hillary is truly evil. Her actions speak for themselves.

However, though I believe Trump is no saint, I don't find him evil though.

So, can someone explain to me why they believe Trump is evil?

What has he done that is so evil? I'd really like to know.

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Silver wrote:
AI2.0 wrote:
sandman45 wrote:Yea most still believe the whole 2 party system.. and that system mocks and belittles the chance of the third party..

if we would all vote based on what the First Presidency suggested the third or fourth party would gain enough popularity and attention where the final election would have 3 or 4 candidates at the end and after a few elections i think it would overtake the corrupt and puppet parties of the Republicans and Democrats
I agree

We should be concerned about this strong condemnation of other parties besides the two biggies, Democrat and Republican, because they'd essentially got a stranglehold on the political process and if there is ever doing to be any real change, their hold on power must be broken. We MUST start a third party or conservatives will have no voice or influence in politics. I just hope that after the election, conscientious voters will recognize that They were manipulated into thinking they had to vote for only the two parties, and that this was done to protect their power. If voters don't figure this out, then we're done. We will have two parties--a socialist/liberal party and a liberal/moderate party.
Your comments are correct, but I'm afraid it's already too late. We, as a nation, have committed legal plunder as described by Bastiat. There are so many people who receive government assistance now there is no way that a majority will now vote to cut off those entitlements, and this includes the much larger corporate welfare as well. So the consequences of our poor choices will come as naturally as the day follows the night. Wailing and gnashing of teeth is our national future.
so it would take a revolution?

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