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GrandMasterB wrote:
Finrock wrote:From my research it seems to me that Even McMullin is a decent guy. He has strong conservative values, has sensible solutions for many of the issues facing us today, and appears to very strongly to support constitutional government. He wants to appoint justices who will interpret the constitution as it was written and intended to be interpreted. He wants to return power back to the states. He wants limited federal government. He wants to reduce regulations, restore the power for schooling back to the state and local level, getting rid of common core. He seems to support freedom and liberty. I respect an individual is who respects my agency and the agency and freedom of others.

He seems like a very good alternative to Trump and particularly to Clinton.

-Finrock
Thank you! :ymapplause:
I like his idea of reducing taxes for businesses and for the middle-income initially, and then as the economy improves his plan would also start reducing taxes on those that are above middle income. I like it because it seems sensible. It seems like he is taking in to consideration the realities that exist currently and then reforming things in a way that won't bring the whole thing crashing down at once. I also like his strong stance on wanting to reform entitlement programs. I like that he intends to do away with Obamacare, but replace it with a health plan based on tax credits that can be used in a competitive health market where individuals can choose plans across state lines. He does away with the heavy handed, inefficient, wasteful, and government bloating regulations of Obamacare. He doesn't want to throw the baby out with the bathwater either. He recognizes that many people currently rely on entitlement programs so he is suggesting ways of reforming the programs, making them more efficient, and competitive.

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Might as well vote for Mickey Mouse, who has more chance to be elected than this McMullin person.

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GrandMasterB wrote:
Finrock wrote:From my research it seems to me that Even McMullin is a decent guy. He has strong conservative values, has sensible solutions for many of the issues facing us today, and appears to very strongly to support constitutional government. He wants to appoint justices who will interpret the constitution as it was written and intended to be interpreted. He wants to return power back to the states. He wants limited federal government. He wants to reduce regulations, restore the power for schooling back to the state and local level, getting rid of common core. He seems to support freedom and liberty. I respect an individual is who respects my agency and the agency and freedom of others.

He seems like a very good alternative to Trump and particularly to Clinton.

-Finrock
Thank you! :ymapplause:
He wants to antagonize Russia. He lies about Russia. Of course maybe he isn't worried about his family's future because he sort of neglected to make a family. Gotta wonder why.

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Fiannan wrote:
Killing is not the same as murder. Are you calling Nephi a murderer? Since when do terrorist who behead men woman and children for pleasure not deserve to die? Sounds like you are the one condoning murder of the innocent.
Since he was not doing his job when ISIS existed who were the men or women he might have erased? I think we have a right to know what kind of entity wears an LDS label and asks us to vote for him.
They (terrorists) were doing this in Afghanistan. They were blowing up little girls trying to go to school. Did you serve in the hospital in Afghanistan and see what happened to these people at the hands of these terrorist murderers? We had CIA all over Afghanistan and Iraq even before the wars. Why don't you go learn for yourself about these things instead of restating alt/right Gadianton Robber lies.
You mean one of the hospitals that the USA has "accidentally" bombed?

Oh, CIA were in Iraq before the wars? Just like in Syria and Libya? Ukraine? Now who do you suppose they were assisting...who do you suppose the CIA targeted for "accidents?"

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Fiannan wrote:
GrandMasterB wrote:
Finrock wrote:From my research it seems to me that Even McMullin is a decent guy. He has strong conservative values, has sensible solutions for many of the issues facing us today, and appears to very strongly to support constitutional government. He wants to appoint justices who will interpret the constitution as it was written and intended to be interpreted. He wants to return power back to the states. He wants limited federal government. He wants to reduce regulations, restore the power for schooling back to the state and local level, getting rid of common core. He seems to support freedom and liberty. I respect an individual is who respects my agency and the agency and freedom of others.

He seems like a very good alternative to Trump and particularly to Clinton.

-Finrock
Thank you! :ymapplause:
He wants to antagonize Russia. He lies about Russia. Of course maybe he isn't worried about his family's future because he sort of neglected to make a family. Gotta wonder why.
Weakest response I've read in a long time.

Please demonstrate what you mean. Meaning, please back up your statements about Russia. The other part of your response is just...nonsensical.

-Finrock

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Finrock wrote:
Fiannan wrote:
GrandMasterB wrote:
Finrock wrote:From my research it seems to me that Even McMullin is a decent guy. He has strong conservative values, has sensible solutions for many of the issues facing us today, and appears to very strongly to support constitutional government. He wants to appoint justices who will interpret the constitution as it was written and intended to be interpreted. He wants to return power back to the states. He wants limited federal government. He wants to reduce regulations, restore the power for schooling back to the state and local level, getting rid of common core. He seems to support freedom and liberty. I respect an individual is who respects my agency and the agency and freedom of others.

He seems like a very good alternative to Trump and particularly to Clinton.

-Finrock
Thank you! :ymapplause:
He wants to antagonize Russia. He lies about Russia. Of course maybe he isn't worried about his family's future because he sort of neglected to make a family. Gotta wonder why.
Weakest response I've read in a long time.

Please demonstrate what you mean. Meaning, please back up your statements about Russia. The other part of your response is just...nonsensical.

-Finrock
Listen to his own words at 2 minutes and 5 seconds: https://www.facebook.com/mcmullinforpre ... nref=story" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

He is as big a liar on this issue as Clinton.

As for my comment on family didn't President Monson jump on single LDS men for not marrying? In one of the meetings of the apostles (leaked onto YouTube) dealing with the bleeding of young members in recent years it was noted that people who marry in the Church at a young age are WAY more apt to stay active. We all know why that is. And there is a desperate shortage of active young men, so many young women are unable to find spouses in the Church. I listened to an interview recently of an author who has written about this situation and he noted that this has caused a weakening of morality WITH YOUNG WOMEN in the Church -- I guess you do what you have to do to catch a man in Utah. So tell me how fantastic this CIA spook is.

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A perfect theme song in response to the movement to derail Trump, thus handing the election to Hillary. Do the math of the lyrics. Some choose not to be taken in by the dark lies.

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Elizabeth wrote:Yes, my beautiful daughter has given up her search for a Priesthood holder, she is dating outside the Church now.
Men like McMullin...just saying. But hey, maybe he isn't into women, or as Seinfeld noted in the series, "Not that there is anything wrong with that."

At least you will have chance of grandchildren. Many other LDS women have to turn to artificial insemination for that. Others consing themselves to spinsterhood and, thus, ending their genetic legacy.

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Birds of a feather...

https://www.utahstandardnews.com/mcmull ... red-trump/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Disgusting.

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The man who denied the First Vision orchestrated all of this...
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I had a bad feeling about him from the beginning.

I just found this article too:

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/8656 ... tml?pg=all" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"She later married a woman, whom she now lives with. " referring to Mcmullin's mom.

No wonder he accepts the Supreme Court's unconstitutional decision on same sex marriage and wants to move on.

How many Christians would be voting for him if they knew about this? It also raises questions about his own personal stance on the issue.

He's 40 years old and not married, this alone should make people pause.

Bottom line, I trust Trump more than I trust Mcmullin.

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Thanks to Anonymous91. Screen captured before they remove it from the article...
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Makes more sense now why he disagrees with the Prophets on this issue...
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McMullin also bemoans the Republican Party (whom he is courting votes from). Calling them a group of racists...
McMullin described meeting recently with a group of African-American faith leaders. They felt left out of the Democratic Party, which they believed did not respect their faith, but they also felt the Republican Party didn't want them.

"There's no reason for that," McMullin said. "Those people should be with the conservative movement and with the party that is its political vehicle. But they can't be with the Republicans because they feel they're not welcome because of the color of their skin."

...McMullin explained that he, like other Republicans, has heard for years from Democrats that the GOP is racist. He always rejected that kind of thinking. He rejected it, that is, until the last few years, when he worked in a senior staff position for the GOP in the House of Representatives.

"But I have to say in the time that I spent in the House of Representatives and leadership and in senior roles there, I realized that no, they're actually right."
http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/evan- ... le/2604432" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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I'm seriously thinking of voting for McMullen.

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Even more troubling news about Mcmullin. I just found an article showing major flaws with his supposed background:

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/08 ... ions-lies/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It's looking more and more that those who are speculating that Mcmullin is there primarily to draw votes away from Trump were right all along.

Sadly, a lot of LDS people will be voting him just because he's LDS, evidently no other qualifications are necessary.

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https://www.evanmcmullin.com/americas_role_in_the_world" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

On his website he says that Trump praised...well, you can't make this stuff up...unless you are McMullin.
Shamefully, Donald Trump praises Vladimir Putin’s oppressive rule and the Tiananmen Square massacre perpetrated by the Chinese Communist Party. Unlike Donald Trump, Americans know that when dictatorships slaughter their citizens, it is not a show of strength, but an admission of weakness.

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I'm also a little troubled with his Kennedy Center job--I'm wondering how much of a Socialist he might really be.


It surprises me that everytime something like this happens, no one really knows. Seriously, if someone I knew were running, I'd have all kinds of stories and opinion and get things straight in their life.


I believe this was Clinton's Plan C.
Plan A: get that joke of a buffoon, Trump, to run against Clinton. Whoops, he's doing too well. (Maybe they forgot about Bush2?)
Plan B: manipulate the polls. Whoops, Trump will contest and sue, and DNC/ Hillary/ et. al. will be in the limelight.
Plan C: throw in someone(s) who can take votes away from Trump, perhaps throw the election, in the right states.
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anonymous91 wrote:I had a bad feeling about him from the beginning.

I just found this article too:

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/8656 ... tml?pg=all" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"She later married a woman, whom she now lives with. " referring to Mcmullin's mom.

No wonder he accepts the Supreme Court's unconstitutional decision on same sex marriage and wants to move on.

How many Christians would be voting for him if they knew about this? It also raises questions about his own personal stance on the issue.

He's 40 years old and not married, this alone should make people pause.

Bottom line, I trust Trump more than I trust Mcmullin.
Good thing for him he was baptized before the new Church policy on children of gay Mormon parents came out.

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Article, "The Truth About Evan McMullin – And Why I Am So Disappointed in My Mormon Friends For Falling For This" - by Stacy Stine
The Truth About Evan McMullin – And Why I Am So Disappointed in My Mormon Friends For Falling For This

I challenge any Evan McMullin supporter to tell me what they knew about Evan McMullin a year ago. Unless you are one of maybe a hundred people who ran into him at your ward picnic, the answer is nothing. That’s my answer and I am a huge political junkie. To the dismay of my family I can rattle on about all sorts of obscure politicians and behind the scenes players who influence elected politicians, but for the life of me I couldn’t have told you a thing about Evan McMullin... because he was a nobody.

McMullin worked for the UN for a bit. He worked for the CIA for 10 years – doing what? He can’t really tell us much….“It’s secret.” He worked for the bankers at Goldman Sachs for a few years…. “His work was private.” And then he went to work for the Republican House Conference where he did… well he can’t really say…“it’s confidential.”

On his Facebook page for the three years prior to running for President, he never posted about social issues, economic, or domestic issues. He says now he is personally against gay marriage but thinks the Supreme Court's decision is fine and wants to move on. Summer 2016 rolls around and political outsider Donald Trump wins the Republican nomination and suddenly Evan McMullin is the 3rd party choice of establishment Republicans from the Bush and Romney families and of the Wall Street donor wing of the GOP.

I have been a Republican since I first registered to vote. I have worked with hundreds of Republican campaigns going back 20 years, I have served in party office here in Arizona. I have always supported Republican candidates but I will be the first to tell you that there are a lot of dirty Republicans. The reason so many people look at politics today and say there is no difference between the Republican and the Democrat on their ballot is because all too often it’s true.

There is a powerful and established section of the Republican leadership (elected officials, party members, big donors) who do not support the values of grassroots conservative Republicans. They are bought and paid for by large corporate interests. They seek the approval of the liberal media, academia, and Hollywood. They support open borders, amnesty for illegal aliens, free trade even when it’s not in most Americans’ best interest, gay marriage, abortion, euthanasia, and a plethora of foolish wars and bad foreign policy.

These Republicans are terrified that if Donald Trump is elected president there will be major shakeups in Washington. He will shine a light on the dark backroom deals that have resulted in policies like Obamacare, The failed war in Syria, and 20 trillion dollars in debt. The livelihoods of their wealthy corporate backers are on the line and with that their own power and perks in Washington. For that reason they would rather see Hillary Clinton become president than Donald Trump. They feel like they can work with Hillary.

So enter Evan McMullin, Crony Capitalist Spoiler. No one in the world including Evan McMullin believes Evan McMullin is going to be elected President. What the corrupted Republican establishment and the Clinton campaign hope is that he will keep Donald Trump from getting to 270 electoral votes and thus guarantee a Hillary presidency.

But How? Enter the Mormon Suckers. I am proud to be a Mormon so it pains me to say what I am about say. When the GOP Establishment Never Trumpers and their Clinton allies went looking for a 3rd party spoiler they needed someone with a constituency of sheeple who would follow him regardless of the obvious logical outcome (President Hillary.) There were plenty of Republican politicians who had lost to Trump in the primary or who had foregone a run in 2016 and didn’t like Trump much or were outright hostile to him, but not a one of them would put their name on the line and be the fall guy who put Hillary in office. So plan B – find a weak-minded demographic and create a leader for them.

I know a lot of Mormons. Most of them are Republicans. Most of them are pretty conservative Republicans. A good number these days still vote Republican but are registered independents because they support more conservative or Tea Party values than they see in the current Republican Party. There are great Mormon conservatives serving in DC and in state offices throughout the country. Mormons are proud to point out that Utah is the State where Bill Clinton didn’t just lose, he got 3rd place in the 1992 presidential election.

The LDS Church does not endorse candidates. The LDS Church leadership does however strongly encourage it members to be informed, to be involved, to vote and to serve. The Mormon demographic is overwhelmingly pro-life, pro-family, anti-communist, and protective of the Constitution they believe was divinely inspired. So how do you get these folks to throw an election to Hillary Clinton, someone whom most of them revile? It’s a complex but straightforward sociological scheme. In addition to being hardworking, God fearing, Mom, Apple Pie and Baseball loving Americans, Mormons are also some of the biggest suckers in the nation.

Utah leads the nation in financial fraud schemes. Anti-Mormon critics like to point out the huge amount of Ponzi schemes, real estate fraud, and stock swindles and say it is because Mormons are sneaky, greedy liars. Make no bones about it. Like in any community there some bad apples and Utah has its fair share. In that fair share there are plenty of Mormons but Mormons are no more criminal than most, in fact statistically they are quite a bit less criminal than the average American. But the real reason that Utah frauds are so successful is not that the conmen are any wilier than a Baptist or Catholic conman. It’s because they have a highly homogenous market of overly trusting people. They want to believe you’re a good person and they want to help out the good person.

In 2016 that good person is Evan McMullin. The Never Trumpers couldn't talk Romney into another run, or Huntsman or any Mormon politician you had ever heard of. So they created Evan McMullin from thin air and Goldman Sachs receipts. Evan is a good member of the Church. Mormons are tight knit and like to support their own, hence Mitt Romney's 93% win in the 2012 Utah primary despite the fact the many Utah Republicans had more in common politically with Newt Gingrich or Rick Santorum.

So here comes the conman’s pitch – “Evan is a good man, he’s one of us, you don’t have to vote for dirty nasty Donald Trump who has been divorced twice, who swears a lot, who won’t apologize when he hurts people’s feelings.” This is where not all, not even most, but a sadly sizeable number or Mormon patsies reach for their wallet, or in this case their ballot. They've been told and sold that by voting for Evan they don’t have to shed their values and principles. They don’t have to choose the lesser of two evils. But that is the lie that the Evan McMullin candidacy is built on, because in 2016 you do have to choose between one of two people who will be the next President: Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton. A vote for anyone but Trump helps Clinton to move ahead and to defeat Trump.

A Hillary Clinton presidency is one where she will most likely appoint three Supreme Court Justices. They will be radical liberals. They will stand against everything political that good and faithful Mormons believe in. They will gut the 1st, 2nd, and 10th Amendments. They will force all Christians denominations to have gay clergy and to perform gay weddings in their churches or temples. They will bring back abortion on demand at any time during the pregnancy, paid for by taxpayers, performed in church owned hospitals, performed by Christian doctors who will be forced to do so or lose their license. Euthanasia will be the law of the land, not just for the terminally ill and elderly but for handicapped and unwanted children.

Did you imagine 20 years ago that gay marriage would be legal in all 50 states, mandated by liberal judges despite the sentiment of voters? Did you imagine you would be forced to buy overpriced and underperforming health insurance or be fined by the government? And these things came about with a Supreme Court that was evenly split between conservatives and liberals. Hillary’s new liberal Court will steamroll the America you once knew. You won’t recognize it anymore. Her tried and failed economic policies of higher taxes and more spending will eventually bankrupt our nation. Her support for wars and conflicts not in our interest will bleed the best of our youth.

This is an election with dire consequences. Donald Trump is no saint, Latter Day or otherwise, but he loves America, he respects the rights of Christians, he has vowed to appoint judges who will protect life, the rights of churches, the rights of gun owners and our Constitution as it was written. It's OK to vote for Donald Trump. Read Dennis Prager's excellent article ‘In Defense of Pro-Trump Christians,’ and then join the millions of other Christians who will be voting Trump to save our country from the terrible alternative. Most of the Mormons I know are voting Trump but you can and should be more vocal about it. You need to let your friends and neighbors know that it's OK. You need to encourage the less likely voters to go the polls and you need to keep them from the conman.

Please Mormons don’t get suckered into the Con of the Century.

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Lexew1899 wrote:Article, "The Truth About Evan McMullin – And Why I Am So Disappointed in My Mormon Friends For Falling For This" - by Stacy Stine
The Truth About Evan McMullin – And Why I Am So Disappointed in My Mormon Friends For Falling For This

I challenge any Evan McMullin supporter to tell me what they knew about Evan McMullin a year ago. Unless you are one of maybe a hundred people who ran into him at your ward picnic, the answer is nothing. That’s my answer and I am a huge political junkie. To the dismay of my family I can rattle on about all sorts of obscure politicians and behind the scenes players who influence elected politicians, but for the life of me I couldn’t have told you a thing about Evan McMullin... because he was a nobody.

McMullin worked for the UN for a bit. He worked for the CIA for 10 years – doing what? He can’t really tell us much….“It’s secret.” He worked for the bankers at Goldman Sachs for a few years…. “His work was private.” And then he went to work for the Republican House Conference where he did… well he can’t really say…“it’s confidential.”

On his Facebook page for the three years prior to running for President, he never posted about social issues, economic, or domestic issues. He says now he is personally against gay marriage but thinks the Supreme Court's decision is fine and wants to move on. Summer 2016 rolls around and political outsider Donald Trump wins the Republican nomination and suddenly Evan McMullin is the 3rd party choice of establishment Republicans from the Bush and Romney families and of the Wall Street donor wing of the GOP.

I have been a Republican since I first registered to vote. I have worked with hundreds of Republican campaigns going back 20 years, I have served in party office here in Arizona. I have always supported Republican candidates but I will be the first to tell you that there are a lot of dirty Republicans. The reason so many people look at politics today and say there is no difference between the Republican and the Democrat on their ballot is because all too often it’s true.

There is a powerful and established section of the Republican leadership (elected officials, party members, big donors) who do not support the values of grassroots conservative Republicans. They are bought and paid for by large corporate interests. They seek the approval of the liberal media, academia, and Hollywood. They support open borders, amnesty for illegal aliens, free trade even when it’s not in most Americans’ best interest, gay marriage, abortion, euthanasia, and a plethora of foolish wars and bad foreign policy.

These Republicans are terrified that if Donald Trump is elected president there will be major shakeups in Washington. He will shine a light on the dark backroom deals that have resulted in policies like Obamacare, The failed war in Syria, and 20 trillion dollars in debt. The livelihoods of their wealthy corporate backers are on the line and with that their own power and perks in Washington. For that reason they would rather see Hillary Clinton become president than Donald Trump. They feel like they can work with Hillary.

So enter Evan McMullin, Crony Capitalist Spoiler. No one in the world including Evan McMullin believes Evan McMullin is going to be elected President. What the corrupted Republican establishment and the Clinton campaign hope is that he will keep Donald Trump from getting to 270 electoral votes and thus guarantee a Hillary presidency.

But How? Enter the Mormon Suckers. I am proud to be a Mormon so it pains me to say what I am about say. When the GOP Establishment Never Trumpers and their Clinton allies went looking for a 3rd party spoiler they needed someone with a constituency of sheeple who would follow him regardless of the obvious logical outcome (President Hillary.) There were plenty of Republican politicians who had lost to Trump in the primary or who had foregone a run in 2016 and didn’t like Trump much or were outright hostile to him, but not a one of them would put their name on the line and be the fall guy who put Hillary in office. So plan B – find a weak-minded demographic and create a leader for them.

I know a lot of Mormons. Most of them are Republicans. Most of them are pretty conservative Republicans. A good number these days still vote Republican but are registered independents because they support more conservative or Tea Party values than they see in the current Republican Party. There are great Mormon conservatives serving in DC and in state offices throughout the country. Mormons are proud to point out that Utah is the State where Bill Clinton didn’t just lose, he got 3rd place in the 1992 presidential election.

The LDS Church does not endorse candidates. The LDS Church leadership does however strongly encourage it members to be informed, to be involved, to vote and to serve. The Mormon demographic is overwhelmingly pro-life, pro-family, anti-communist, and protective of the Constitution they believe was divinely inspired. So how do you get these folks to throw an election to Hillary Clinton, someone whom most of them revile? It’s a complex but straightforward sociological scheme. In addition to being hardworking, God fearing, Mom, Apple Pie and Baseball loving Americans, Mormons are also some of the biggest suckers in the nation.

Utah leads the nation in financial fraud schemes. Anti-Mormon critics like to point out the huge amount of Ponzi schemes, real estate fraud, and stock swindles and say it is because Mormons are sneaky, greedy liars. Make no bones about it. Like in any community there some bad apples and Utah has its fair share. In that fair share there are plenty of Mormons but Mormons are no more criminal than most, in fact statistically they are quite a bit less criminal than the average American. But the real reason that Utah frauds are so successful is not that the conmen are any wilier than a Baptist or Catholic conman. It’s because they have a highly homogenous market of overly trusting people. They want to believe you’re a good person and they want to help out the good person.

In 2016 that good person is Evan McMullin. The Never Trumpers couldn't talk Romney into another run, or Huntsman or any Mormon politician you had ever heard of. So they created Evan McMullin from thin air and Goldman Sachs receipts. Evan is a good member of the Church. Mormons are tight knit and like to support their own, hence Mitt Romney's 93% win in the 2012 Utah primary despite the fact the many Utah Republicans had more in common politically with Newt Gingrich or Rick Santorum.

So here comes the conman’s pitch – “Evan is a good man, he’s one of us, you don’t have to vote for dirty nasty Donald Trump who has been divorced twice, who swears a lot, who won’t apologize when he hurts people’s feelings.” This is where not all, not even most, but a sadly sizeable number or Mormon patsies reach for their wallet, or in this case their ballot. They've been told and sold that by voting for Evan they don’t have to shed their values and principles. They don’t have to choose the lesser of two evils. But that is the lie that the Evan McMullin candidacy is built on, because in 2016 you do have to choose between one of two people who will be the next President: Donald Trump or Hillary Clinton. A vote for anyone but Trump helps Clinton to move ahead and to defeat Trump.

A Hillary Clinton presidency is one where she will most likely appoint three Supreme Court Justices. They will be radical liberals. They will stand against everything political that good and faithful Mormons believe in. They will gut the 1st, 2nd, and 10th Amendments. They will force all Christians denominations to have gay clergy and to perform gay weddings in their churches or temples. They will bring back abortion on demand at any time during the pregnancy, paid for by taxpayers, performed in church owned hospitals, performed by Christian doctors who will be forced to do so or lose their license. Euthanasia will be the law of the land, not just for the terminally ill and elderly but for handicapped and unwanted children.

Did you imagine 20 years ago that gay marriage would be legal in all 50 states, mandated by liberal judges despite the sentiment of voters? Did you imagine you would be forced to buy overpriced and underperforming health insurance or be fined by the government? And these things came about with a Supreme Court that was evenly split between conservatives and liberals. Hillary’s new liberal Court will steamroll the America you once knew. You won’t recognize it anymore. Her tried and failed economic policies of higher taxes and more spending will eventually bankrupt our nation. Her support for wars and conflicts not in our interest will bleed the best of our youth.

This is an election with dire consequences. Donald Trump is no saint, Latter Day or otherwise, but he loves America, he respects the rights of Christians, he has vowed to appoint judges who will protect life, the rights of churches, the rights of gun owners and our Constitution as it was written. It's OK to vote for Donald Trump. Read Dennis Prager's excellent article ‘In Defense of Pro-Trump Christians,’ and then join the millions of other Christians who will be voting Trump to save our country from the terrible alternative. Most of the Mormons I know are voting Trump but you can and should be more vocal about it. You need to let your friends and neighbors know that it's OK. You need to encourage the less likely voters to go the polls and you need to keep them from the conman.

Please Mormons don’t get suckered into the Con of the Century.
Another opinion hit piece. Lots of these out there.

This lady is a conspiracy theorist. No facts to back up her claims.

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Fiannan wrote:
anonymous91 wrote:I had a bad feeling about him from the beginning.

I just found this article too:

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/8656 ... tml?pg=all" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"She later married a woman, whom she now lives with. " referring to Mcmullin's mom.

No wonder he accepts the Supreme Court's unconstitutional decision on same sex marriage and wants to move on.

How many Christians would be voting for him if they knew about this? It also raises questions about his own personal stance on the issue.

He's 40 years old and not married, this alone should make people pause.

Bottom line, I trust Trump more than I trust Mcmullin.
Good thing for him he was baptized before the new Church policy on children of gay Mormon parents came out.
This is a lie. Please stop bearing false witness.

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Utah LDS voting for this 40 year old unmarried man that they know almost nothing about, just because he is LDS - Is this an example of the prophecy of the beast overcoming the Latter Day Saints in the latter days?

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GrandMasterB, not a lie. This article was originally listed in the Washington Post:
She later married a woman, whom she now lives with. (McMullin’s family gave me permission to reveal that here for the first time.)
Original Post link:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/jos ... c5f76d21b6" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I'm sure that doesn't sit well for anyone voting for him though.

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"Trump is clearly hiding something, why else would he not release his tax returns? The question is what. @CNNnewsroom
12:51 PM - 13 Sep 2016 " Tweet from Evan McMullin.

Why hasn't McMullin released his tax returns?? What is HE hiding??

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