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Clinton is leading in all the battleground states. She only needs to win a couple to be the next President. Trump would have to win all of them. Slim chance.

But Trump hasn't given up, promising magic to the Steel workers in Pennsylvania. I think he has been in Vegas too much.

This guy is scary...

http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/21/politics/ ... index.html

http://www.cnn.com/2016/07/01/politics/ ... index.html
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The charitable side of me wonders whether this is simply a matter of efficiency - "I can get discounts using my own companies, thus there is less of a cost to the campaign and less drain to the donated funds. I am being more efficient and cost effective with my campaign, rather than needing millions of donations, etc."

If, however, it's a matter of funneling contributions to his businesses.... well, that would be kinda naughty.

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iWriteStuff wrote:The charitable side of me wonders whether this is simply a matter of efficiency - "I can get discounts using my own companies, thus there is less of a cost to the campaign and less drain to the donated funds. I am being more efficient and cost effective with my campaign, rather than needing millions of donations, etc."

If, however, it's a matter of funneling contributions to his businesses.... well, that would be kinda naughty.
He is naughty. He is a world-class name caller!

His campaign is melting...

http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/poli ... topstories

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So that even if he fails....it's just a tax write off

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Utah, a strange place? 70% of Utah Mormons believe Trump is not qualified to be President. They also believe Hillary is more qualified.

Good grief, this could put a lot of states that are red, into blue potentials. If the democrats won presidency, house and senate, it could be something.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/8656 ... ident.html

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Like all of the other politicians, he has figured out how to make a profit from being a "public servant".

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rewcox wrote:Utah, a strange place? 70% of Utah Mormons believe Trump is not qualified to be President. They also believe Hillary is more qualified.

Good grief, this could put a lot of states that are red, into blue potentials. If the democrats won presidency, house and senate, it could be something.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/8656 ... ident.html

There hasn't been a single qualified person run for president in decades.

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rewcox wrote:Utah, a strange place? 70% of Utah Mormons believe Trump is not qualified to be President. They also believe Hillary is more qualified.

Good grief, this could put a lot of states that are red, into blue potentials. If the democrats won presidency, house and senate, it could be something.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/8656 ... ident.html
No, it just proves that many Mormons are simply lemmings who will follow whatever they are sold as long as it is polite and social, like Satan was in the Garden. I am sure he was soft-spoken, a modest dresser and had very diplomatic skills. As for money and politics most Utah Mormons are totally in the dark about this:

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A truly sad day when some feminists I know hope Trump wins because they know that Hillary is a warmonger. Any Mormon foolish enough to vote for Hillary needs to make sure that when their son or daughter arrives home from their mission they drive them first thing to the military recruiting office and sign them up. Then if WW3 starts they will not have had time to sin too much.

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rewcox wrote:Utah, a strange place? 70% of Utah Mormons believe Trump is not qualified to be President. They also believe Hillary is more qualified.

Good grief, this could put a lot of states that are red, into blue potentials. If the democrats won presidency, house and senate, it could be something.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/8656 ... ident.html
We take the Deseret News and I don't recall seeing one news article that had anything remotely positive to say about Trump. Of course, their editorials are always anti-Trump.

Many Utah/LDS seem to be in a strange political box that has them trapped when it comes to seeing anything beyond it. Trump is obviously playing a role in illuminating this rather strange phenomenon. They look at Trump, and automatically a pervasive attitude of extreme judgementality seems to well up in their bosoms. I've never seen any other candidate over decades with the ability to bring this out. Mitt was even speculating about voting for Hillary, at one point.

The Deseret News features a regular column by a fellow named Richard Davis, from the BYU Political Science Department, who comes across as very 'liberal/socialist', and even wrote one column a few months ago explaining how we should support Obama and essentially be grateful for him. He is certainly in this camp.

Actually a fascinating phenomenon for me, but also puzzling and troubling at the same time.

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The Trump supporters on this thread have managed to ignore the premise of this thread by trying to take it off topic and on to how stupid Utah Mormons are.

The thread is about the FACT that Trump paid his family/friends/businesses almost a million dollars out of his campaign fund. And, he doesn't have that much money anyway--you supporters had better start sending him cash because he needs it; you Trumpsters wanted him so now you need to fund him. If you haven't figured it out already, he isn't self funding his campaign, he's seeking donations.

To respond to your rude comments about Utah Mormons, why would you all expect us to support Trump when he's proving to be just as bad as we thought he'd be? The latest outrage: He was supportive of preventing people on the watch list from being able to buy guns, he's no different from any of the progressives who want to remove Americans' right to due process. That alone should make anyone who cares about the Constitution take a second hard look if they are foolishly believing Trump is going to be a defender of our Constitutional rights.


Now, we find out he's using his campaign to enrich himself and his family. I'm sure not surprised by that, it's what I would have expected from him, but I've never trusted him.

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AI2.0 wrote:The Trump supporters on this thread have managed to ignore the premise of this thread by trying to take it off topic and on to how stupid Utah Mormons are.

The thread is about the FACT that Trump paid his family/friends/businesses almost a million dollars out of his campaign fund. And, he doesn't have that much money anyway--you supporters had better start sending him cash because he needs it; you Trumpsters wanted him so now you need to fund him. If you haven't figured it out already, he isn't self funding his campaign, he's seeking donations.

To respond to your rude comments about Utah Mormons, why would you all expect us to support Trump when he's proving to be just as bad as we thought he'd be? The latest outrage: He was supportive of preventing people on the watch list from being able to buy guns, he's no different from any of the progressives who want to remove Americans' right to due process. That alone should make anyone who cares about the Constitution take a second hard look if they are foolishly believing Trump is going to be a defender of our Constitutional rights.


Now, we find out he's using his campaign to enrich himself and his family. I'm sure not surprised by that, it's what I would have expected from him, but I've never trusted him.
My comment was mainly a spinoff about the Deseret News article cited in a previous post noting the fact that I haven't seen one positive article (news, not commentary/editorials) about Trump in that paper since Trump jumped into the race.

This is reflected by many interactions with family members and friends, letters to the editor, and certainly the anti-Trump crowd in this forum. The model they are using does not seem to allow ANYTHING positive to be said about or claimed for Trump. Anything positive he says is a lie, anything he does is solely to benefit him personally and/or his bottom line, etc., etc. Hence, my sense that "many Utah/LDS seem to be in a strange political box that has them trapped when it comes to seeing anything beyond it". Notice this is a statement about 'many' Utah LDS, certainly not all.

And it's not so much a matter of "stupidity". Something else is at work. That is why I find it fascinating and odd at the same time.

You certainly fit this model. Notice your derisive use of "Trumpster". Notice the last sentence in your post. Notice how you ignore his repeated and adamant support of our 2nd Amendment rights and excoriate him about "preventing people on the watch list form being able to buy guns". Could it be he is talking about a watch list containing potential jihadists? Oh, and does your comment about the watch list fit this thread of him funneling campaign funds for his own personal use? I don't think so.

Just test yourself AI20: can you say one positive thing about the man that isn't damning him with faint praise or extremely sardonic, sarcastic or highly qualified?

Meanwhile, I will be looking more into the charge in this thread topic, and will, of course, be looking for the other side of the story. Maybe its true and he's guilty as charged. I don't know. In all fairness, someone should post what Trump says about this charge. Maybe I will if no one else does. You know . . . just for balance.

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What I have noticed about Utah is analogous to a cat and a tree. Pretend the cat represents Mormons in Utah and the tree is leftist societal thinking. The squirrel hanging out in the tree is the praise of the world. At first the squirrel is on a lower branch. The cat figures he will just jump up there really fast, catch the squirrel and easily jump down...no problem, right? She he leaps up but misses the squirrel...just barely. Now each branch can be a social stand. The first is economic socialism. Okay, he has a good footing, no problems so far. The squirrel chirps at him so he takes a chance at jumping to the next highest branch -- feminism. Oh he does not go way out on a limb on that one, he stays close to the main trunk of the tree, maybe just accepting that women should place career aspirations kinda high, not quite at the level of marriage and family but sort of close. The next branch our cat leaps to is consumerism. On this one the view over the ground is exhilerating. Our cat can look down at his owner (analogous to the Savior) and feel that he has accomplished something grand. The squirrel continues to climb and taunt him. The next branch is pride...of course just a little leap there. Still that pesky squirrel is just out of reach. So the next branch is social liberalism. The branch is shaky and quite narrow but out cat hangs on. This can be trying to make compromises with what is trendy in society. At this point the squirrel gets ready to leap to the next tree and our cat is stuck. The owner sees the predicament and calls for the cat to come down but he is too afraid of the possible fall. He sits there meowing and wondering how he got there in the first place but even when the wind picks up and threatens to cause him to fall to his injury or even death he just grasps the thin branch and shakes as the winds pick up.

Hey Utah voters..."meow!"

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larsenb wrote:
rewcox wrote:Utah, a strange place? 70% of Utah Mormons believe Trump is not qualified to be President. They also believe Hillary is more qualified.

Good grief, this could put a lot of states that are red, into blue potentials. If the democrats won presidency, house and senate, it could be something.

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/8656 ... ident.html
We take the Deseret News and I don't recall seeing one news article that had anything remotely positive to say about Trump. Of course, their editorials are always anti-Trump.

Many Utah/LDS seem to be in a strange political box that has them trapped when it comes to seeing anything beyond it. Trump is obviously playing a role in illuminating this rather strange phenomenon. They look at Trump, and automatically a pervasive attitude of extreme judgementality seems to well up in their bosoms. I've never seen any other candidate over decades with the ability to bring this out. Mitt was even speculating about voting for Hillary, at one point.

The Deseret News features a regular column by a fellow named Richard Davis, from the BYU Political Science Department, who comes across as very 'liberal/socialist', and even wrote one column a few months ago explaining how we should support Obama and essentially be grateful for him. He is certainly in this camp.

Actually a fascinating phenomenon for me, but also puzzling and troubling at the same time.
You are painting this as a Utah/LDS phenomenon...

At a recent dinner engagement with a number of people from across the country and from a broad political base (both strong red and blue) and diversity of backgrounds (gay, living together, hetero, divorced, etc etc) and of both sexes...the resonating comment was - "This is the best we can come up with???"...."a liar and a liar"....followed by "I'm not going to vote this year"....or...."I don't think I'm going to even vote this year".

Not my position but simply observation and listening ear at the table.

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My responses;
larsenb wrote: My comment was mainly a spinoff about the Deseret News article cited in a previous post noting the fact that I haven't seen one positive article (news, not commentary/editorials) about Trump in that paper since Trump jumped into the race.

This is reflected by many interactions with family members and friends, letters to the editor, and certainly the anti-Trump crowd in this forum. The model they are using does not seem to allow ANYTHING positive to be said about or claimed for Trump. Anything positive he says is a lie, anything he does is solely to benefit him personally and/or his bottom line, etc., etc. Hence, my sense that "many Utah/LDS seem to be in a strange political box that has them trapped when it comes to seeing anything beyond it". Notice this is a statement about 'many' Utah LDS, certainly not all. Sorry, but the way I see it, you were just jumping on the bandwagon to trash Utah Mormons. If Mormons don't want Trump, something's 'wrong' with them. Well, maybe it's because he's not a good choice to represent the Republican ticket and Utah Mormons are smart enough to see that.

And it's not so much a matter of "stupidity". Something else is at work. That is why I find it fascinating and odd at the same time.

You certainly fit this model. Well, I appreciate that you don't think it's 'stupidity' on my part. Notice your derisive use of "Trumpster".Do you know what a 'booster' is? It is someone who supports a certain team, in this instance Team Trump. What is 'derisive about that? I did NOT use a derisive term, but you've got your hackles up and am going to be offended by any term, I suppose, so I guess I'm forced to use 'trump supporters' every time. 8-| Notice the last sentence in your post. Notice how you ignore his repeated and adamant support of our 2nd Amendment rights and excoriate him about "preventing people on the watch list form being able to buy guns". Could it be he is talking about a watch list containing potential jihadists? Oh, and does your comment about the watch list fit this thread of him funneling campaign funds for his own personal use? I don't think so.Look it up. He's referring to a watch list that means people are being 'looked at' by the govt. for various reasons, and they admit that many are on the watch list who shouldn't be. Did you know that Senator Ted Kennedy was accidentally put on it and it took him 6 MONTHS to get his name off? This list can be used to strip Americans of due process. This is just another opportunity for the progressive left to strip Americans of their constitutional rights. I would think you would care about that. And if you will go back and read my comments I mentioned this (in response to your comment) as ONE of the reasons some of us don't want to vote for Trump, not to change the subject.

Just test yourself AI20: can you say one positive thing about the man that isn't damning him with faint praise or extremely sardonic, sarcastic or highly qualified?Seriously? Of course I can. He gave a great speech yesterday excoriating Hillary Clinton. He is a successful businessman,is a straight talker and his children love him. I like his strong stance against illegal immigration and his stand against common core. If that's all it took to be our Republican nominee, I'd have no problem voting for him.

Meanwhile, I will be looking more into the charge in this thread topic, and will, of course, be looking for the other side of the story. Maybe its true and he's guilty as charged. I don't know. In all fairness, someone should post what Trump says about this charge. Maybe I will if no one else does. You know . . . just for balance.
This is not made up, he is doing this--he's a businessman and he doesn't like to lose money, I'm sure he feels justified in paying out of his campaign in order to not lose money. I don't think it's illegal. But, it's not what he told voters he'd be doing. He made a big deal out of being self funded, it's not in keeping with how he characterized himself or his campaign and anyone who is honest about this will admit it.

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This is not made up, he is doing this--he's a businessman and he doesn't like to lose money, I'm sure he feels justified in paying out of his campaign in order to not lose money. I don't think it's illegal. But, it's not what he told voters he'd be doing. He made a big deal out of being self funded, it's not in keeping with how he characterized himself or his campaign and anyone who is honest about this will admit it.
So if Trump owned an apple farm and wanted to make apple pies for a campaign rally it would be unethical for him to purchase apples from his own farm? You are aware that due to tax laws he could not just acquire a ton of apples without some sort of formal purchase.

Come on, keep it up. I am enjoying how desperate the anti-Trump people will go.

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Fiannan wrote:
This is not made up, he is doing this--he's a businessman and he doesn't like to lose money, I'm sure he feels justified in paying out of his campaign in order to not lose money. I don't think it's illegal. But, it's not what he told voters he'd be doing. He made a big deal out of being self funded, it's not in keeping with how he characterized himself or his campaign and anyone who is honest about this will admit it.
So if Trump owned an apple farm and wanted to make apple pies for a campaign rally it would be unethical for him to purchase apples from his own farm? You are aware that due to tax laws he could not just acquire a ton of apples without some sort of formal purchase.

Come on, keep it up. I am enjoying how desperate the anti-Trump people will go.
He's likely to get pie in the face!

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AI2.0 wrote: . . . . . .
Again, referring to what I call the negative Trump model, my wording was “many Utah/LDS” , not the generic Utah Mormons or Mormons. And it’s not that there is something wrong with this group, it’s the danger I see of them being trapped by a very negative, rigid model, which has the potential of clouding their judgment.

I provided an example of how a BYU Poly Sci Professor’s judgement was clouded regarding the Trump/Judge Curiel issue exactly by his negative view of Trump. He accepted the false assessment of this issue from the anti-Trump echo chamber and promulgated this false view to thousands of Deseret News subscribers, and thousands more international on-line readers. As a result, he made a significant direct contribution to the anti-Trump echo chamber.

It’s interesting that Just today, the Deseret News had a front-page article on this phenomenon: Poll shows Utahns have concerns over Trump’s temperament: http://www.deseretnews.com/article/8656 ... ident.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; . And it led off by saying: “. . . most also think the GOP's presumptive nominee is less qualified than Democrat Hillary Clinton .” An astonishing ‘fact’ in so far as the poll reflects reality. Overall, actually a good article, giving a lot of information of how Trump people are focusing on Utah.

“Trumpster”/Dumpster . . . of course this never occurred to you except maybe on the subconscious level. Trump supporters would tend to construe it as derisive.

Regarding the watch list allegation. Are you talking about the “no fly list”, or what; and give actual video/quotes of what he said and the context. You brought it up . . . and in violation of the thread topic. Make an allegation? Back it up with primary sources, not just what somebody said he said in an article.

Excellent response on testing whether you can actually see some good in the much vilified Trump. You're one of the few anti-Trump people I’ve run across that isn’t totally trapped by their negative assessment.

Regarding the funneling campaign funds for his personal use, I’ll be looking into this further and am curious what he has said about the allegation, etc. Campaign funds collected by a nominee can be pocketed, to my understanding. Though, I thought it would be funds left over from a campaign. Hatch collected about $2 million during his presidential run from myriad small donations and pocketed it, as I recall and as an example.

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Long history of pocketing excess campaign funds....and most runners can't afford to do loans to their own campaigns. Loans are interesting way of funding...since one either gets paid back with other people's money plus interest....or its a write-off and subsequent tax deduction.

Then if one loans the money...and spends the money with your own companies...better even still. Have to hand it to him for monetary control and maximizing his dollars.

That said he's now loaning the campaign just enough to stay alive....compared to the previous fight to disrupt the Republican party and gain the nomination. One can only guess as to what strategies this is fulfilling...

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How can you trust this guy?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/mar ... /86058802/

You can try to unleash the power, but you end of getting burned. An example of another sales trick:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... /86328800/

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rewcox wrote:How can you trust this guy?

http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/mar ... /86058802/

You can try to unleash the power, but you end of getting burned. An example of another sales trick:
http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati ... /86328800/
Living proof that there is always another sucker looking to make their dreams come true and willing to listen to anyone promising to make that happen for them....

In my short experience in the business world...the easiest investors to defraud are the ones who have already invested. They just have to believe that they are going to get their money back and then some....and willing to believe anyone who will tell them so.

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This isn't a big deal. He owns many companies, as an owner it's wise to use them. If you owned Costco would it would make sense to buy products from Sam's Club?? Nope.
If he takes his campaign members to Dinner wouldn't it make sense to go to a restaurant he owns?? I think it does.
Why would he spend money for his campaign members to stay at the Marriott when the Trump Hotel is next door?
His son owns a wine company. The campaign bought $3900 of wine. What's wrong with buying it from his son??
I don't see what the big deal is.

And I don't even like the guy!

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shadow wrote:This isn't a big deal. He owns many companies, as an owner it's wise to use them. If you owned Costco would it would make sense to buy products from Sam's Club?? Nope.
If he takes his campaign members to Dinner wouldn't it make sense to go to a restaurant he owns?? I think it does.
Why would he spend money for his campaign members to stay at the Marriott when the Trump Hotel is next door?
His son owns a wine company. The campaign bought $3900 of wine. What's wrong with buying it from his son??
I don't see what the big deal is.

And I don't even like the guy!
I don't have issues either...its legal...how the rich get rich.

What I find interesting is his lack of new loans and investment into his campaign after disrupting and obtaining the Republican party nomination....

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Clinton is leading in all the battleground states. She only needs to win a couple to be the next President. Trump would have to win all of them. Slim chance.

But Trump hasn't given up, promising magic to the Steel workers in Pennsylvania. I think he has been in Vegas too much.

http://www.wftv.com/news/trump-to-take- ... /370120962
I promise you, if I become president, we're going to be working again. We're going to have great jobs again," he said. "You're going to be so happy."

But he drew a quick and scathing response from the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, a traditional Republican ally and leading business lobby.

"Under Trump's trade plans, we would see higher prices, fewer jobs, a weaker economy," the Chamber said on its Twitter feed, directing readers to a blog post that said Trump's policies would lead to millions of job losses and a recession.

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rewcox wrote:Clinton is leading in all the battleground states. She only needs to win a couple to be the next President. Trump would have to win all of them. Slim chance.

But Trump hasn't given up, promising magic to the Steel workers in Pennsylvania. I think he has been in Vegas too much.

http://www.wftv.com/news/trump-to-take- ... /370120962
I promise you, if I become president, we're going to be working again. We're going to have great jobs again," he said. "You're going to be so happy."

But he drew a quick and scathing response from the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, a traditional Republican ally and leading business lobby.

"Under Trump's trade plans, we would see higher prices, fewer jobs, a weaker economy," the Chamber said on its Twitter feed, directing readers to a blog post that said Trump's policies would lead to millions of job losses and a recession.
He seems to be in fund raising mode more than anything at this point in time. Raised $11 million in a week. I'm certainly curious to see what unfolds. The bulk of his money thus far has been spent on obtaining the Republican nomination. After obtaining it the campaign scaled spending back several fold.

Couple scenarios I see unfolding depending on what his strategy is:
1) He brokered a deal early on with Clintons to disrupt the Republican party. If that's the case now he does some grandstanding to get donations to pay back his campaign loans whilst spending very little moving forward.

Ron Paul has done this several times walking away with substantial amount of excess campaign funds to fund his other operations (never had the money to loan to get paid back though).

2) Whether deal brokered or not...he's in it to win it. If that's the case he's taking a temporary lull in spending (although supposedly he has deep pockets and doesn't care about other people's money) to build his campaign coffers for big push end of summer through elections.

NBC's Chuck Todd Highlights How 10 Percent Of Trump's Campaign Spending Has Gone Back To Trump's Family Businesses
https://mediamatters.org/video/2016/06/ ... ily/211205" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Washington (CNN)Next week is shaping up to inflict the most dramatic damage on television yet to Donald Trump's campaign, with forces behind Hillary Clinton planning to outspend him by $13 million, a wider gap than any week so far.
Clinton's campaign has reserved about $7.5 million in advertising time the week of July 4, according to advertising records reviewed Tuesday by CMAG/Kantar Media, a company that tracks political advertising. Clinton's super PAC, Priorities USA, plans to spend $5.5 million, with both groups devoting most of their cash to Florida and Ohio.

The billionaire's campaign has yet to air a single general-election advertisement, and has none booked for next week, according to CMAG/Kantar Media, nor do any of his super PACs. Trump has not bought TV advertising since early May spots in Indiana and Nebraska.
Trump's campaign did not immediately respond to a request for comment.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/06/28/politics/ ... vertising/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Donald Trump, and Hillary Clinton being the presumed nominees are a symptom of how wicked our society has become.

The thought of voting for either one of them makes me throw up in my mouth.

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