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It must be true -- it's in LDS Living magazine.....

http://www.ldsliving.com/Insiders-Say-R ... on/s/80355" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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A Mormon, stealing? Possible, but not at all probable. In fact, unlikely.
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Lizzy60 wrote:It must be true -- it's in LDS Living magazine.....

http://www.ldsliving.com/Insiders-Say-R ... on/s/80355" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
i'm voting for Romney whether he runs or not. Interesting to see Bush struggle.

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I wish Ron Paul would throw his hat in the ring again, He is the ONLY Presidential candidate in my lifetime from either major party who is a true constitutionalist, and who understands the New World Order and is still even now determined to resist it. But what's the use. Unfortunately, we have a constitutionally illiterate society in America today. Most people simply cannot fathom--much less appreciate--constitutional solutions to America's political woes. Nor can they comprehend the conspiracy of the New World Order (NWO).

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lundbaek wrote:I wish Ron Paul would throw his hat in the ring again, He is the ONLY Presidential candidate in my lifetime from either major party who is a true constitutionalist, and who understands the New World Order and is still even now determined to resist it. But what's the use. Unfortunately, we have a constitutionally illiterate society in America today. Most people simply cannot fathom--much less appreciate--constitutional solutions to America's political woes. Nor can they comprehend the conspiracy of the New World Order (NWO).
I would definitEly vote Ron Paul. Could this forum please update me on a qualified candidate for 2016

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bornfree wrote:I would definitEly vote Ron Paul. Could this forum please update me on a qualified candidate for 2016
There are none among the Republicans and Democrats.

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There is a member of the LDS Church, Dale Christensen, who has been trying to get recognition for his candidacy for US President, and who understands and espouses the principles of the US Constitution. Trying to run as a Republican, he has been ignored by the GOP and gets only the occasional speaking opportunity. I have written about him elsewhere on this forum. I heard him speak in Mesa, Arizona at a gathering of 200+ people, and the following evening at our home to a small group.

I am waiting to see who the Constitution Party will run as their candidate, but that will not be decided for some months.

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Oh please Mitt go away! We have enough big government Republicans masquerading as small government conservatives going after the presidency (take your pick: Rubio, Bush, Christie, etc). We do NOT need any more of that type. Just check out the old stuff on Mitt from back in 2008 and 2012 on this forum to see all the big government, unconstitutional history behind him.

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I think Mitt fans and many others need to be reminded of these statements:

"God raised up these (founding fathers) to perform their mission, and he called them “wise men.” (See D&C 101:80.) The First Presidency acknowledged that wisdom when they gave us the guideline a few years ago of supporting political candidates “who are truly dedicated to the Constitution in the tradition of our Founding Fathers.” (Deseret News, November 2, 1964.) - Ezra Taft Benson - Civic Standards for the Faithful Saints

"Men who are wise, good, and honest, who will uphold the Constitution of the United States in the tradition of the Founding Ffathers, must be sought for diligently. That is our hope to restore government to its rightful role." (Ezra Taft Benson, October 1979 General Conference)

"Let every loyal member of the Church look down with scorn upon any man or woman who would undermine that Constitution." (President David O. McKay, Church News 29 May 1954)

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Mitt who? You mean the flip-flopper?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YK-HlAMTws8" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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No.

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The problem with the devil you know is that he is still a devil...perhaps we could control him though...?

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President Benson said that the Constitutions would be saved, but not in Washington. Therefore, it matters not who gets in there now. Americans have shown that a wicked government is acceptable by the way they act, adopt communistic programs and even tolerating a socialistic POTUS, even to the point of ignoring the Declaration of Independence, that says it is the responsibility of Americans to get rid of bad government and replace them with new guards that concerned for our safety and welfare.
We were told years ago that if America falls, it will be Americans that caused or allowed it. My concern at present is if America is beyond saving at this point, and just who it is that could step in and save the Constitution when so many Americans don't even know what is destroying it.

[The] question as to whether we may save our constitutional republic is simply based on two factors: the number of patriots and the extent of their obedience. That the Lord desires to save this nation which he raised up there is no doubt. But that he leaves it up to us, with his help, is the awful reality. (April 1967, General Conference)

For years we have heard of the role the elders could play in saving the Constitution from total destruction. But how can the elders be expected to save it if they have not studied it and are not sure if it is being destroyed or what is destroying it?...
Now it is not so much a case of a man giving up all his other duties to fight for freedom, as it is a case of a man getting his life in balance so he can discharge all of his God-given responsibilities. And of all these responsibilities President McKay has said that we have “no greater immediate responsibility” than “to protect the freedom
vouchsafed by the Constitution of the United States.” There is no excuse that can compensate for the loss of liberty.
Satan is anxious to neutralize the inspired counsel of the Prophet and hence keep the priesthood off balance, ineffective and inert in the fight for freedom. He does this through diverse means, including the use of perverse reasoning….
The cause of freedom is a most basic part of our religion. Our position on freedom helped get us to this earth and it can make the difference as to whether we get back home or not….
Now part of the reason why we do not have sufficient Priesthood bearers to save the Constitution, let alone to shake the powers of hell, is, I fear, because unlike Moroni, our souls do not joy in keeping our country free and we are not firm in the faith of Christ, nor have we sworn with an oath to defend our rights. (October 25, 1966, Brigham Young University Speeches of the Year)

The Lord expects us to safeguard this sacred and inspired document [the Constitution of the United States] for the blessing of all of us and our posterity. If we fail so to do we will not only lose our priceless freedom but jeopardize the cause of truth throughout the entire world. (1969, An Enemy Hath Done This, 268)

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If Mitt doesn't get drafted into running again, he will be chosen as the nominee's VP. Newspapers are already referring to him as the "White Knight," which reminds me of the "White Horse" prophecy.

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Latter-day Saints are the only people on this planet who have been told by the Lord that He established the Constitution of the United States. And He told them how: that He established it by the hands of wise men whom He raised up unto that very purpose. (D&C 101: 80) He even told them that it was to be maintained for the rights and protection of all people (D&C 98: 5 and D&C 101: 77), and that its principles were to be established forever. (D&C 109: 54)

Latter-day Saints have also been told of the vital importance of learning the principles of the US Constitution as it was meant to be understood, or "in the tradition of the Founding Fathers" as Presidents McKay and Benson expressed on occasion, and of defending, upholding and adhering to its principles. In fact, almost every prophet in this dispensation has spoken of the importance of defending, upholding, and adhering to the Constitution. In the October 1987 General Conference we were told that "We MUST learn the principles of the Constitution in the tradition of the Founding Fathers" (President Benson, October 1987 General Conference.) Note, please, my emphasis on the word "MUST", which IMO makes this statement a commandment.

Unfortunately, American Latter-day Saints have failed America by not being united or faithful in upholding and defending the Constitution of the United States. Not only have they generally ignored the admonitions in their scriptures and from their prophets and apostles to study, uphold, and abide by the principles of the US Constitution, but they have also largely ignored the warnings about secret combinations among them striving to destroy their Constitution, gain control over their government and steal their wealth. And many, probably most American LDS voters have supported politicians and candidates for elected offices who have proposed and promoted legislation, government actions, and programs that have been egregious violations of constitutional principles. Is it any wonder that several prophets have warned that Americans have apostatized in various ways from the Constitution ?

Members of the LDS Church are the only people on this planet who have the prophetic warnings, particularly in the Book of Mormon and from some latter-day prophets, about the secret combination striving to get power in the form of control of government and wealth. Although the Lord has given us the knowledge and the responsibility to help reveal and oppose this secret combination, it seems that we generally have not had the wisdom to act on it, and consequently that conspiracy has clearly gotten above us.

So it should be clear, then, that most American Latter-day Saints have not learned the principles of "the US Constitution in the tradition of the Founding Fathers" as commanded, and have ignored the prophetic warnings and commandments to awake to the "secret combination" and suffered it to get above us. If there is any reason for American Latter-day Saints to continue in this neglect at this time, I would love to know of it. I guess I can excuse Church members living in countries other than the USA for ignoring these commandments. But I am not able to excuse especially what Elder Dallin Oaks called "opinion leaders" who, as Church authorities or prominent members of the Church in the political arena, did not and still do not follow-up on those commandments and allow ignorance of them to fester in the Church.

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I got to reading this thread again today and thinking back a few years ago when my wife and I sat listening to Mitt Romney "stump" for Senator John McCain when he was campaigning for US President. The hall was full of Mormons cheering probably as much for Mitt as for McCain.

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lundbaek wrote: October 25th, 2017, 6:18 pm I got to reading this thread again today and thinking back a few years ago when my wife and I sat listening to Mitt Romney "stump" for Senator John McCain when he was campaigning for US President. The hall was full of Mormons cheering probably as much for Mitt as for McCain.

Sickening. But most assuredly more sickening that these are church members who have no concept of the Constitution.
I moved this year. I was told today that they here are 'anti Federalists'. Yes, that was a big part of why I moved here. But we are such a small minority.
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I note that Brother Romney has jumped into the pig pile beating on Judge Roy Moore.

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Mitt really wasn't a very good candidate. Sorry to say that. I'd like to say otherwise. But his business success was going into a business hatching jobs until the cash flow wasn't negative. Then selling it. It's not a real business tactic other than just coming in with mass layoffs. If you look up his history this is what he did whenever he'd acquire businesses.

He also has a lot of elitist views. When you listen to him speak he has no connection to poor or middle class. That's why he can't understand others. That's why people thought he was so weird hearing him speak.

So he's not a great candidate. Sorry, better lucky next time. Insert 25 cents to play again.
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Mitt will win Orrin Hatch's seat in the Senate in 2018. The people in Utah will give it to him on a platter. I bet we can all agree on that! Will another run for the Presidency be next?

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Well Hatch made a lot of blunders too so it might happen because Hatch revealed himself to not really be fighting for what the voters wanted and that he'd been 'representing'. There were several times especially that this came up in the last two years, so it's possible in regards to what you say of who knows who will get the Senate in 2018.

I'm still very concerned though. Out of Hatch and Romney neither really represents the people. Both are big in the world in living a high life style and have lost touch with what the middle class etc are going through. For things to get better we need people with commitment that is deeper than their skin deep of their masks.

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gardener4life wrote: November 17th, 2017, 1:50 am Mitt really wasn't a very good candidate. Sorry to say that. I'd like to say otherwise. But his business success was going into a business hatching jobs until the cash flow wasn't negative. Then selling it. It's not a real business tactic other than just coming in with mass layoffs. If you look up his history this is what he did whenever he'd acquire businesses.

He also has a lot of elitist views. When you listen to him speak he has no connection to poor or middle class. That's why he can't understand others. That's why people thought he was so weird hearing him speak.

So he's not a great candidate. Sorry, better lucky next time. Insert 25 cents to play again.
With regard to the highlighted comments you wrote, do you have actual experience of sitting in on board of directors' meetings and hearing the decisions made there, or are you just parroting what you've heard through the media? Have you participated in a buyout DD process? Have you then gone through the process of exiting a position picked up by your PE fund through an acquisition a few years earlier? Your writing demonstrates a lack of actual experience. By the way, "business hatching jobs" and "mass layoffs" are a contradictory set of terms. How do you justify such claims?

As for Mitt himself, I think he was a terrible candidate for President, or even town dog catcher. It's funny how you note Mitt has elitist views yet tried unsuccessfully to defend the Marmalade who surrounded himself with the elites of banking and the CFR. Pot kettle black mean anything to you?

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https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/20 ... sachusett/

Mitt Romney is being hit with the first attack ad of the Utah Senate race Thursday, a slickly produced video that portrays him as a darling of the D.C. establishment and gives him the nickname “flip-flopper Mitt.”
The ad from Republican candidate Larry Meyers slams Mr. Romney, the presumptive front-runner in the GOP race, with accusations of not being conservative enough for Utah voters.
“The D.C. establishment loves Mitt Romney. But Utah voters have a better choice. Larry Meyers,” says the announcer.

It then rips open an old wound for Mr. Romney, the 2012 Republican presidential nominee and a former Massachusetts governor.
In 2012, President Barack Obama also accused Mr. Romney of being a flip-flopper and having “no core.”
“Flip-flopper Mitt has been all over the map. On issues like the Second Amendment. On issues like life. And the last time Mitt Romney was elected, he stuck the country with the blueprint for Obamacare,” says the ad, the voice-over announcer’s words repeated in text across the screen.

These lines of attack are expected to dominate the race, as it follows a familiar patter of recent GOP primaries becoming conservative versus establishment showdowns.
“Utah voters have a choice. Mitt Romney’s liberal Massachusetts values or qualified, conservative Larry Meyers,” says the ad.
The ad will first run as a web video and later as a TV spot, according to the Meyers campaign.
Mr. Romney, despite his close ties to Utah and summer home there, was branded a carpetbagger by state GOP officials as soon as he signaled interest in replacing retiring Sen. Orrin Hatch.
Mr. Romney quickly picked up an endorsement from President Trump, but that doesn’t guarantee support from Trump voters in Utah.
Mr. Meyers, a former city prosecutor, is running as a “real conservative.”
His campaign is being led by Alex Rountree, who helped orchestrate Roy Moore’s upset win over Sen. Luther Strange last year in Alabama’s GOP primary for U.S. Senate.
Mr. Moore’s campaign stumbled amid accusations that in his 30s he pursued romantic relationships with teenage girls. He lost the reliably Republican seat to Democrat Doug Jones.

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