Where are the Conference Talks on Preparedness?
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Where are the Conference Talks on Preparedness?
I am 27 years and have had a strong testimony of being prepared with a year's supply of food storage since I was 12 and worked on a plan for one of my young women projects. Why are the 12 Apostles not talking about this anymore, when it seems so applicable? I cannot say that I can even rememeber a talk about food storage in my life, although my parents knew about it. It seems that something I feel constantly prompted about from the Lord in my personal prayer and scripture study ought to receive a second witness from the 12 Apostles. Now with books like Julie's and Hector's, it seems like the message is coming from some other sources, but not the head of the church. Elder Cook's message to not expensively prepare has me doubting myself, which I am not apt to do, since my own promptings have been plentiful. He may be referring to people buying expensive bunkers, which is way too far, nevertheless his statement is too vague to put clarifications upon it. If there are no talks on it, should we consider the council to have food storage a thing of the past, or certainly not a priority among things to focus on in the present?
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Elder Cook's talk was about spiritual extremism, not preparedness.
Just because the leadership of the Church has not talked about a topic in a while doesn't make all the talks of the past were not wise counsel or truth. Personally, I think the season for preparedness is largely past. We continue our ongoing efforts. But if I were just starting out I'd step on it. I don't think Church leadership can just come out and say that without starting a panic.
Just because the leadership of the Church has not talked about a topic in a while doesn't make all the talks of the past were not wise counsel or truth. Personally, I think the season for preparedness is largely past. We continue our ongoing efforts. But if I were just starting out I'd step on it. I don't think Church leadership can just come out and say that without starting a panic.
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I would not put off food storage especially when you are receiving promptings to do it. Even if there weren't specific talks about it during conference, it is still something we have been counseled to have for what seems like forever. We just need to have it. It is still on the church's website... https://www.lds.org/topics/food-storage?lang=eng" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
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Definitely not. Being prepared with a food storage is just as applicable now as when talks on the subject were given. As others have said in this thread, Elder Cook's talk was specifically talking about preparedness extremism.Juliet wrote:If there are no talks on it, should we consider the council to have food storage a thing of the past, or certainly not a priority among things to focus on in the present?
An example of what Elder Cook is talking about is these super luxury bunkers the ultra rich are making currently: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=43626" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Don't disregard a prompting from the spirit to be prepared. Continue with your preparations and get things you think will be necessary for your food storage. Remember rotation is essential!
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The church still publishes on food storage there has been some articles in the ensigns. Each stake now has responsibility to call a stake self reliance specialist., We have had quiet a few self reliance lessons as part of our 5th Sunday lesson.Juliet wrote:I am 27 years and have had a strong testimony of being prepared with a year's supply of food storage since I was 12 and worked on a plan for one of my young women projects. Why are the 12 Apostles not talking about this anymore, when it seems so applicable? I cannot say that I can even rememeber a talk about food storage in my life, although my parents knew about it. It seems that something I feel constantly prompted about from the Lord in my personal prayer and scripture study ought to receive a second witness from the 12 Apostles. Now with books like Julie's and Hector's, it seems like the message is coming from some other sources, but not the head of the church. Elder Cook's message to not expensively prepare has me doubting myself, which I am not apt to do, since my own promptings have been plentiful. He may be referring to people buying expensive bunkers, which is way too far, nevertheless his statement is too vague to put clarifications upon it. If there are no talks on it, should we consider the council to have food storage a thing of the past, or certainly not a priority among things to focus on in the present?
The hand book of instructions contains advice on food storage.
Each stake and ward is to have an emergency preparedness plan, this is relatively new. recently in our stake all the PH and RS members had to fill in a skills and qualification list. Yes there area a lot of things happening that might not be apparent.
Stake and Ward Emergency Preparedness Guide
https://providentliving.lds.org/emergen ... e?lang=eng" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I do agree that is has been a bit quiet form the brethren. The best I can come up with is that the church is now very world wide organisation in many countries that have extreme poverty and some countries it is not legal to store excessive food as it creates a run on supplies and problems. Like welfare self reliance is dealt at a ward and stake level, not to put an onerous burden on people misunderstanding the council. This this is just my opinion and not officially communicated and how I read it.... Hope this helps.
What is to come is a sifting (wheat and tares) is it is going to be very different from anything seen before, keep your storage going and expanding there is no time to slack, the HG is prompting you to keep a commandment both in scriptures and handbook of instructions and on LDS official sites and publicaitons. It is not to be trifled with.
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One should not take things to far excess, I am on a number of prepper and survival sites as it is like my hobby. Some have in the millions of round of ammunition and hundreds of guns, and have to build extra sheds to keep all the food. Some spend so much money on these things they neglect other family duties and tithing or get into debt. Elder Cook's talk actually reinforces food storage as a key principle. Despite living in Australia I have gone through a hundred loops and got a shooters licence for target and hunting. I have 4 rifles non automatic all hunting ( airgun 1,000 pellets, 22LR 4,500 rounds, shotgun 275 rounds, and a 308, 250 rounds with some reloading powders etc.) All it cost me was an annual share bonus from work. I don't see it as excessive. One has to work within your budget and live without excessive debt. A lot of the food we have in storage besides grains is home grown vegetables, spices and fruits. Yes my wife dehydrates spices like rosemary an vacuum seals them in mylar bags 8-| ...Sunain wrote:Definitely not. Being prepared with a food storage is just as applicable now as when talks on the subject were given. As others have said in this thread, Elder Cook's talk was specifically talking about preparedness extremism.Juliet wrote:If there are no talks on it, should we consider the council to have food storage a thing of the past, or certainly not a priority among things to focus on in the present?
An example of what Elder Cook is talking about is these super luxury bunkers the ultra rich are making currently: viewtopic.php?f=2&t=43626" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Don't disregard a prompting from the spirit to be prepared. Continue with your preparations and get things you think will be necessary for your food storage. Remember rotation is essential!
Now this is what I call ammo porn!! to those with the addiction...
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Outside of Utah or the USA not many (like no one) has even heard of Rowe, Hector or Spence. Might be a local message like by the mouth of 2-3 witnesses the truth is established - best to leave these name out of any discussion else ten million trolls will arrive and it will be then end of the thread..Juliet wrote:Now with books like Julie's and Hector's, it seems like the message is coming from some other sources, but not the head of the church. ?
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We see threads created everyday on LDSFF, all kinds of dreams and prophecies.
The problem is they keep missing, they are just creating noise and making some people nervous.
The problem is they keep missing, they are just creating noise and making some people nervous.
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The church is becoming more aligned with Protestant churches in general.
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I agree-- I think this is the reason why.Spaced_Out wrote:Juliet wrote:
I do agree that is has been a bit quiet form the brethren. The best I can come up with is that the church is now very world wide organisation in many countries that have extreme poverty and some countries it is not legal to store excessive food as it creates a run on supplies and problems. Like welfare self reliance is dealt at a ward and stake level, not to put an onerous burden on people misunderstanding the council. This this is just my opinion and not officially communicated and how I read it.... Hope this helps.
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“If Ye Are Prepared Ye Shall Not Fear”
"The fact that the Lord Almighty will take care of his people during these latter days of stress and trial became fixed in my mind very early. The Lord has said concerning the latter days in the parable of the ten virgins: ‘For they that are wise and have received the truth, and have taken the Holy Spirit for their guide, and have not been deceived … shall not be hewn down’ (D&C 45:57). I think we are not safe because we say we intend to do what’s right. I think the people who are safe are those who have taken the Holy Spirit for their guide and have not been deceived. To have the Holy Spirit with us as the Lord speaks of it here is to be guided by revelation from heaven. "
When I hear leaders say "Only those who have taken the Holy Spirit as their guide..." that tells me that members will have to rely on the promptings of the spirit to keep themselves safe, and not wait to be commanded in all things from the Brethren.
We know a sifting is to take place, and what better way than to separate members into tiers. 1. Those who don't listen to the brethren 2. Those that do, but have to be told what to do, in effect living off borrowed light. 3. Those who have taken the Spirit as their guide and will be safe even if the Brethren stop talking about certain topics.
"The fact that the Lord Almighty will take care of his people during these latter days of stress and trial became fixed in my mind very early. The Lord has said concerning the latter days in the parable of the ten virgins: ‘For they that are wise and have received the truth, and have taken the Holy Spirit for their guide, and have not been deceived … shall not be hewn down’ (D&C 45:57). I think we are not safe because we say we intend to do what’s right. I think the people who are safe are those who have taken the Holy Spirit for their guide and have not been deceived. To have the Holy Spirit with us as the Lord speaks of it here is to be guided by revelation from heaven. "
When I hear leaders say "Only those who have taken the Holy Spirit as their guide..." that tells me that members will have to rely on the promptings of the spirit to keep themselves safe, and not wait to be commanded in all things from the Brethren.
We know a sifting is to take place, and what better way than to separate members into tiers. 1. Those who don't listen to the brethren 2. Those that do, but have to be told what to do, in effect living off borrowed light. 3. Those who have taken the Spirit as their guide and will be safe even if the Brethren stop talking about certain topics.
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Here is warning to prepare. In our ward April 2015 there was a bad storm that left many without power for +5 days. It was a big wake up for many to prepare. How may warnings do people need.
Water, Flashlights, Batteries Fly Off Store Shelves; Berkeley County Preps For Hurricane Matthew
http://www.berkeleyobserver.com/2016/10 ... e-matthew/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Water, Flashlights, Batteries Fly Off Store Shelves; Berkeley County Preps For Hurricane Matthew
http://www.berkeleyobserver.com/2016/10 ... e-matthew/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
A store employee at the Walmart Super Center in Goose Creek described the scene Tuesday as “crazy” as shoppers stocked up on water, flashlights, propane and batteries, leaving many of the shelves bare.
Emergency orders have been placed and two tractor trailers packed with bottled water are said to be headed to the store to replenish its already sold out supplies.
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For at least a decade there was a special session of conference just for welfare/emergency preparedness. We have been warned enough already now we just need to be obedient to what we have already been taught.
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That's what I call a beginner! :))Spaced_Out wrote:Now this is what I call ammo porn!! to those with the addiction...
Ammo cans are great for a lot of purposes beyond storing ammunition. Throw a bunch of batteries and a solar recharger into one, some handleld radios into another, Scriptures and portable hard drives or flash drives with your data backup into another, and unreplaceable photographs into another. The metal construction will protect against an EMP, as long as you insulate electronic contents from the metal walls with a liner, and a rubber gasket in good condition will keep water out. As long as the ammo cans are protected from fire and theft, anything you store in them will be safe for a long time.
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Yip a beginner addict looking beyond the mark. That much ammunition has no added benefit to personal safety - more likely a fire hazard.brianj wrote:That's what I call a beginner! :))
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Here's a "little" something I cooked up, aggregating and tracing to the source, every known latter day general authority or prophet quote from conference talks, books and Ensign articles.
Prophetic Counsel on Latter Day Preparedness
Prophetic Counsel on Latter Day Preparedness
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Very well put together, those are 29 pgs of gems. Thank you, we forget what has been said and who said it. I will print this out and use it as a reference.mtnfalcon wrote: ↑March 7th, 2017, 11:24 pm Here's a "little" something I cooked up, aggregating and tracing to the source, every known latter day general authority or prophet quote from conference talks, books and Ensign articles.
Prophetic Counsel on Latter Day Preparedness
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I agree with older/wiser?. The link has a Google doc that is very well put together. As for preparation, go to your local dry pack cannery and you can see the Church is still heavily involved in providing those services to members in Utah, Idaho, California, Arizona, and other places where the Church has a lot of demand for that.Older/wiser? wrote: ↑March 8th, 2017, 11:23 pmVery well put together, those are 29 pgs of gems. Thank you, we forget what has been said and who said it. I will print this out and use it as a reference.mtnfalcon wrote: ↑March 7th, 2017, 11:24 pm Here's a "little" something I cooked up, aggregating and tracing to the source, every known latter day general authority or prophet quote from conference talks, books and Ensign articles.
Prophetic Counsel on Latter Day Preparedness
I attended a regional conference a few months back. Elder Ballard spoke and discussed how the prophets of old have prophesied of events that will confront the gentiles in the land if they fail to repent. He then added that the only thing that will save our country is if people turn back to the Lord. He then said, "prepare for the events that have been prophesied of old". You can interpret that however you feel you need to.
That said, our Church has had a millenialist component since the days of Joseph Smith. Part of the reason polygamy was started was to prepare the earth for the millenial reign of Christ. That was over 150 years ago. The books of Julie Rowe and others led many people to prepare while it led others to panic. The most important thing people can do right now is work on a personal relationship with the Savior. We need to hold to the iron rod, so we won't get lost in the mists of darkness and lose our way. What's the iron rod? The word of God that comes through our living apostles, scriptures, and personal revelations--not from reading books written by people who may or may not be inspired.
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One little note: Since the church doesn't let anybody can any more, they call them home storage centers instead of canneries.JeffB wrote: ↑March 8th, 2017, 11:40 pm I agree with older/wiser?. The link has a Google doc that is very well put together. As for preparation, go to your local dry pack cannery and you can see the Church is still heavily involved in providing those services to members in Utah, Idaho, California, Arizona, and other places where the Church has a lot of demand for that.
In Alma 16:16 we're told that the Lord was pouring out His spirit to prepare the people to receive the teachings of His coming. That was around 110 years before the Lord visited the Nephites.That said, our Church has had a millenialist component since the days of Joseph Smith. Part of the reason polygamy was started was to prepare the earth for the millenial reign of Christ. That was over 150 years ago. The books of Julie Rowe and others led many people to prepare while it led others to panic. The most important thing people can do right now is work on a personal relationship with the Savior. We need to hold to the iron rod, so we won't get lost in the mists of darkness and lose our way. What's the iron rod? The word of God that comes through our living apostles, scriptures, and personal revelations--not from reading books written by people who may or may not be inspired.
We, as a church, have a lot to accomplish before the Second Coming. I have no doubt that the Lord has again poured out His spirit to help us prepare for the Second Coming and accomplish the tasks set before us. But if His spirit was poured out for more than a century before He came to the Nephites, we shouldn't be surprised to see things happen 150 years in the past to help us prepare.
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A bird’s eye view of sound wisdom for anyone who intends to emerge on the winning side!Here's a "little" something I cooked up, aggregating and tracing to the source, every known latter day general authority or prophet quote from conference talks, books and Ensign articles.
Prophetic Counsel on Latter Day Preparedness
Best post of LDSFF to date IMHO! :ymhug:
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Spaced_Out wrote: ↑October 4th, 2016, 7:43 pmThe church still publishes on food storage there has been some articles in the ensigns. Each stake now has responsibility to call a stake self reliance specialist., We have had quiet a few self reliance lessons as part of our 5th Sunday lesson.Juliet wrote:I am 27 years and have had a strong testimony of being prepared with a year's supply of food storage since I was 12 and worked on a plan for one of my young women projects. Why are the 12 Apostles not talking about this anymore, when it seems so applicable? I cannot say that I can even rememeber a talk about food storage in my life, although my parents knew about it. It seems that something I feel constantly prompted about from the Lord in my personal prayer and scripture study ought to receive a second witness from the 12 Apostles. Now with books like Julie's and Hector's, it seems like the message is coming from some other sources, but not the head of the church. Elder Cook's message to not expensively prepare has me doubting myself, which I am not apt to do, since my own promptings have been plentiful. He may be referring to people buying expensive bunkers, which is way too far, nevertheless his statement is too vague to put clarifications upon it. If there are no talks on it, should we consider the council to have food storage a thing of the past, or certainly not a priority among things to focus on in the present?
The hand book of instructions contains advice on food storage.
Each stake and ward is to have an emergency preparedness plan, this is relatively new. recently in our stake all the PH and RS members had to fill in a skills and qualification list. Yes there area a lot of things happening that might not be apparent.
Stake and Ward Emergency Preparedness Guide
https://providentliving.lds.org/emergen ... e?lang=eng" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
I do agree that is has been a bit quiet form the brethren. The best I can come up with is that the church is now very world wide organisation in many countries that have extreme poverty and some countries it is not legal to store excessive food as it creates a run on supplies and problems. Like welfare self reliance is dealt at a ward and stake level, not to put an onerous burden on people misunderstanding the council. This this is just my opinion and not officially communicated and how I read it.... Hope this helps.
What is to come is a sifting (wheat and tares) is it is going to be very different from anything seen before, keep your storage going and expanding there is no time to slack, the HG is prompting you to keep a commandment both in scriptures and handbook of instructions and on LDS official sites and publicaitons. It is not to be trifled with.
The sifting will start in 2025 or 2024. When it gets really close, the prophets will sound and be more urgent than ever...
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The absolute best thing you can do is get personal guidance on this directly from the Lord. It will be specific to YOU, and much more relevant to your individual situation than what the church leaders will be telling the entire church. Not to discount what they're telling us, but direct revelation is the number 1 best thing to receive, if you ask me. In fact, I would even say that this is what Pres. Nelson has consistently been telling us to do for at least the past year.
If you're being prompted to store food, then do that. Then, when you think you've completed that, ask Him what your next step is. And be open to hearing something unexpected. He'll show you your blind spots, and you may be surprised. I know I was. I shouldn't have been, in hindsight, but what He told me was exactly what I needed to hear now that I look back on it. I went to Him asking, "should I do this or that?" and He said basically, "do this other different thing instead."
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https://www.lds.org/general-conference/ ... g?lang=eng
"We need to make both temporal and spiritual preparation for the events prophesied at the time of the Second Coming. And the preparation most likely to be neglected is the one less visible and more difficult—the spiritual. A 72-hour kit of temporal supplies may prove valuable for earthly challenges, but, as the foolish virgins learned to their sorrow, a 24-hour kit of spiritual preparation is of greater and more enduring value." DHO