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Probably the same thing that happens when you run out of natural fertilizers:
Very good answer, I think. I'm in the tank for Mittleider, I guess.
This is true. According to Mittleider's published information, you can grow about 145 pounds of potatoes in a 1.5' x 30' row, using a total of 5 pounds of Weekly Feed fertilizer, in whatever dirt you've got in your garden, no soil amendments necessary. If you can make the fertilizer for 50 cents/pound (doable if you find a good source), this means you can produce potatoes for about 1.7 cents per pound, plus however much water costs you.BTH&T wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:37 pmI have 4 years worth of Mittleider Fert/supplies and it takes very little room (fits in one of those 27gal blk/yellow totes), also I could easily reduce the frequency on intervals to lengthen that out.
The yields are at least double using this method, and well worth the effort!
Do you grow these? I can't find mention of them on the net at all except as a salad. Do you know where seed can be purchased?
Lowes and Home Depot both carry a 16 16 16. I have been doing Mittleider for over 10 years. The science of growing a garden as far as I am concerned.h_p wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:01 pmThis is true. According to Mittleider's published information, you can grow about 145 pounds of potatoes in a 1.5' x 30' row, using a total of 5 pounds of Weekly Feed fertilizer, in whatever dirt you've got in your garden, no soil amendments necessary. If you can make the fertilizer for 50 cents/pound (doable if you find a good source), this means you can produce potatoes for about 1.7 cents per pound, plus however much water costs you.BTH&T wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2017 1:37 pmI have 4 years worth of Mittleider Fert/supplies and it takes very little room (fits in one of those 27gal blk/yellow totes), also I could easily reduce the frequency on intervals to lengthen that out.
The yields are at least double using this method, and well worth the effort!
The down side to the method is finding a source of the general-purpose fertilizer, like 16-16-16 NPK. I've heard a lot of gardeners in Utah have a tough time with that for some reason. With all the farming out there, you'd think it'd be plentiful.
I've noticed that what the big-box stores carry is pretty dependent on where you live. Here in central Texas, the best you can find there is 13-13-13, which is doable, but just barely, and it's overpriced.
Over the years I have maintained a 700 variety seed library of only heirloom varieties. Each year I would raise a revolving selection of plants to gauge grow ability in a Utah climate and to assess items that had long term storage capacities. All in all most of your summer gardening varieties do fine and specificity is not a big deal. However, I have also managed a winter garden and find that has been the most interesting from a survival standpoint.konigking wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2017 9:54 amI'm surprised that my search for "MIttleider Gardening" yields no results in this topic area. It's the best, most proven way to grow 2-5 times what typical garden yields. And the best part is that it doesn't matter how poor your soil is, especially if you use the prescribed planter boxes filled with sand and sawdust. (Square Foot Gardening is a later knock-off version of Mittleider, but it is organic and lower yielding).
Regardless of how you garden, can you recommend what vegetables to focus on? I know a good answer is "whatever you like to eat so you stay interested in gardening!" That's the advice I would give anyway. However, I want an answer based on the following criteria:
1) high yielding, which means high bulk with each crop and/or can have multiple crops in a year
2) hardy, not overly fickle and disease prone
3) most packed with nutrition, i.e. super food
4) good for canning
Of course, not any single crop will hit each criterion.
Something about the Korean soil; North Korea is rumored to have tons of rare earth minerals.
2700 lbs over a fairly normal house plot? I wish you can write a guide for us. That's amazing! How do you do it?Jonathan_H wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2017 10:55 pmI grew 2700 lbs of veggies on 2500 sq ft last year in southern Utah. My quick advice for someone wanting to start growing food:
> Don't expect to grow a lot of food the first couple of years. It is difficult to manage ramping up production.
> For quick, easy nutrition, grow Swiss chard. It's easy to grow, has few pests, is very productive, and produces most of the year. Most varieties do well in my experience.
> For store-able nutrition and calories, grow sweet potatoes. I grew 120 lbs from 40 ft on my first try. Grows well in marginal soils, has few pests, and needs little care. Fewer problems than regular potatoes, with higher nutrition, although fewer calories. Easily kept longer and better than my winter squash under same conditions (in an open cardboard box in the coolest room in the house). Until this year, I have only tried Beauregard, so I'm not helpful there.
> Heirloom vs. hybrid: hybrid != genetically modified, it just means you can't expect consistent results if you save seed. I own the Seed to Seed book and I like that sort of thing, but I grow a mixture of open-pollinated and hybrid varieties. Some hybrid varieties are just incredibly productive and I would grow them until I ran out of seed if it became unavailable.
> For almost all of my crops, variety selection has been really important. You really need to discover what works for you. That said, here are some standout varieties for me:
Scarlet Nantes and Red-cored Chantenay carrots (both o.p. - open pollinated)
Poinsett 76 cucumbers (o.p.)
Utah Yellow Sweet Spanish onions (o.p.)
Roxanne radishes (hybrid)
Alexandria zucchini (hybrid)
Waltham butternut winter squash (o.p.)
Big beef and Celebrity (hybrid) and Arkansas Traveler (o.p.) tomatoes
> Keep records of dates, productivity, and problems. This really helps with planning from year to year.
Good advice.gardener4life wrote: ↑Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:42 pmThe best seeds to grow are the ones already re-seeding in your garden. Seriously. These are plants that are adapted to your microclimate. They are the survivors. Additionally, you should be working on building up as much stock of perennial plants as you can. These will continue to grow and feed you year after year with no replanting needed. Learn to propagate the ones that produce the best. Remove the ones that are not productive.
In this way, your plot of land will become lush with food plants.
This guy's comment above was really good and worth more than the others. Sorry to you other people.
I want to point out that trying to save seeds for what you like over what grows in your area well would be disaster for you and for your family if you ever had to really use it. Most people also fall into this thing of picking what they want over what they need and can do. Same concept.
Here are some examples where people fall into traps...
A family decides to plant a fruit tree in their yard. The mom loves cherries so they go with cherries, ignoring the fact that in Utah late frosts often will make cherry trees have no fruit at all for sometimes 2 years out of 5 years. Also plum trees in utah are WAY more prolific than cherry trees. Our yard has 3 plum trees, 1 cherry tree, and 2 apple trees. Out of all of those for Utah climate I will tell you straight up that each of the plum trees is WAY more prolific in terms of both fruit and trees than the others are. The cherry tree struggles in this climate for some reason while every year we have a mess of propagated plants from the plum tree shoots coming up to produce new trees. The cherry tree doesn't even propagate new trees under its shade either. And comparing the cherry tree to the plum tees the difference in fruit actually made and harvested is like 5 to 1. And just so you know I don't really favor plum taste over apples or others, but I can't ignore the food production....
Another example is that tomatoes do well in Utah climate, but why don't other vegetables do as well? There are a few I can think of that I can raise in the garden but some of them will realllllly struggle to survive, let alone produce fruit. If I actually had to use those to survive I'd be in serious trouble.
Try to think about what's realistic.
I kind of wish there was a way to make avocados grow in Utah but that's just not realistic...
http://www.seedsavers.orggardener4life wrote: ↑Tue Aug 01, 2017 10:35 pmI wanted to ask this though; is it appropriate to put an 'ad' on justserve to trade garden seeds with people? I want to do this and think it might be a good idea for self sufficiency as well as for some other reasons like being able to next year learn more garden plants that I don't know. (And just so we're on the same page this I think could be legitimate because I have done seeding experiments in the last 2 years gardening so I know it works. I wouldn't just trade away trash. I've done seed experiments making my own seeds from previous year tomatoes, swiss chard, and a few others. Seed experiments are kind of fun actually.)
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