How are the Secret Combinations organized

[Oldemandalton]

While joining this board I have had a crash coarse on the Conspiracy Theories of the day. I go way back to the John Birch Society so I am no babe in the woods when it comes to the Secret Combinations and all. I believe you know how I think. I have a few questions for those on this board that will be enlightening and fun to discuss. Please don’t use links. I would rather hear how you would answer the questions not someone else. If you need to cut time go ahead and cut and paste paragraphs or articles. I hope you don’t mind. I just feel if it is on this page and not hyper linked then you own it and can be responded easily by others. So here are the questions;

1. What is the organization of the “Main” Secret Combination and what are its methods?
2. How do Satan and Master Mahan fit into this organization, if at all?
3. List the “Secret Combinations” that exist today and how they fit into Master Mahan’s Organization.
4. What can us as regular folks do to fight this Great Secret Combination?

I have my own theories but would love to hear from the group.
Old Man

[lundbaek]

1. What is the organization of the “Main” Secret Combination and what are its methods?
I believe there are at this time three world powers that are threats to freedom: 1.) a transnational conspiracy involving some Americans and other Westerners attempting to maneuver the world into a single socialist dictatorship, a.k.a. the New World Order (NWO); 2.) Russia, intent on building a world empire under communist government, which, BTW, has ever since the Bolsheviks gained power, been helped greatly by certain Western (especially American) financial and political powers in its development into a formidable military power, and in spreading communism to other countries; and 3.) China, with goals of world hegemony, for years now receiving advanced American technology and funding in order to upgrade its military.

2. How do Satan and Master Mahan fit into this organization, if at all?
Satan has control now. No matter where you look, he is in control, even in our own land. He is guiding the governments as far as the Lord will permit him. That is why there is so much strife, turmoil, confusion all over the earth. One master mind is governing the nations. It is not the President of the United States...it is not the king or government of England or any other land; it is Satan himself. (I cheated. That's a quote from Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. 3, pp. 314-315)

3. List the “Secret Combinations” that exist today and how they fit into Master Mahan’s Organization.
Since neither Russia nor China would be the formidable military powers that they are without having gotten so much financial, political and military assistance from the West, mostly from America, I look to those in American government, business, military and academia who have knowingly conspired in creating the military threats facing us now, for the express purpose of frightening us into submission to their will, which is a socialist dictatorship under their direction. Many of these people participate in multiple organizations, including the Council on Foreign Relations, the Trilateral Commission, the Bilderbergers, the Aspen Institute, the Royal Institute for International Affairs, the Committee of 300, the Club of Rome, etc., and they aspire to global control and elimination of national sovereignty. Numerous quotations of their own leaders and members state just that.

4. What can us as regular folks do to fight this Great Secret Combination?
I think it is too late to stop it. John, in Revelation 13, tells of a beast (the first of two) that will "make war with the saints" and will "overcome them", and then will be wiped out, although John does not tell us how. I believe, however, we can minimize the damage it will inflict on us by getting on with the personal and family preparations as we have been instructed by our prophets, by supporting candidates for political office who have the intelligence to understand and appreciate our Constitution and the integrity to be guided by it, and by preparing a "remnant" that will be able to work to restore our government to one based on the principles the Lord gave us in the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution, which Prophets have told us will happen.

[peculiar peanut]

I agree with the above post, but as a side note from a mother’s point of view I will list how I see these “Secret Combinations” are filtering their work all the way down to how we are affected in our daily lives. Especially our children who are our future. The way I see it is that they need to control the masses as part of their game plan. Yes we have corrupt leaders, militarized police, big brother, etc. But if they can subdue us with daily doses of apathy then it becomes even easier for them to do the unconstitutional.

Henry Kissinger said it himself, “The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer.”

We are bombarded daily by their media and consumerism tactics. They, Satan and his crew (affiliations too many to list), have infiltrated our children’s lives through TV, entertainment media and public education. They have infiltrated the water supply through fluoride treatments, and now anti-depressants. They have tainted our food supply by saturating 70% of our average grocery store shelves with GMO foods. They finance and basically run our medical community convincing us that our upset stomachs and headaches are brought on by social anxiety and are only healed by some new dangerous drug that was approved, with a handsome bribe, by the FDA.

So what can regular folks do to fight the “Secret Combinations” on a daily basis?

Unplug your TV
Home school your kids
Save your money
Treat your water supply
Eat organic (especially children)
Avoid prescription drugs if possible; seek natural remedies (while it’s still legal)

This is a small list, and only a side aspect of their “secret” works. But we know for a fact that Satan hates that we have physical bodies, and he is trying every way to bend our spirits, bodies and minds to his will. Apathy is not discriminatory it comes in all forms spiritually, mentally, and physically. The key here is that they are “secret” so why would they not be on our dinner tables, in our soda, in the books our children read, the shows we watch on TV, the medicine our doctors prescribe? If it all leads to Apathy then why not?

[ktg]

I don't know how they are related in their organization but a few of the 'main' ones: United Nations, Federal Reserve, Committee of 300, Order of Skull & Bones, Bilderbergs, Trilateral Commission, Council on Foreign Relations to name a few. I believe these are all linked in some way and their goal is control of the whole world (Ether 8:25). To fight them, get out of debt, educate yourself and others about them, etc.
There are other secret combinations unrelated to the ones I've listed and they are many and are built up to get gain for its members. Satan (Heleman 6:26,30) or one of his followers teaches and administers the oaths to the person who starts the combination and its members and in doing so they gain power (Ether 8:16). Not everyone in a secret combination has a conscious knowledge of it. I believe there can be a spiritual side involved.
THE cause of the destruction of the Jaredites and the Nephites was involvement of the whole population in secret combinations. (Ether 8:21-22)

[lundbaek]

I think it is a monumental task for many of us to prepare our progeny and their peers so they can assist in the work to restore our government to one based on the principles the Lord gave us in the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution, which Prophets have told us will happen. We need to teach them the importance of their upholding the Constitution and preparing to revitalize it in future. As stated in "A Glorious Standard For All Mankind" by Chris Bentley, "...the Constitution’s role goes beyond just providing a free nation in which the gospel and true Church could be restored to the Earth. The Constitution will become the governing system for the whole world during the Millennium. The principles of that great charter will eventually spread over the whole world, and all who are living at that time will seek to abide by them."

[haddomr]

1. What is the organization of the “Main” Secret Combination and what are its methods?

I think that main SC is the great and abominable church of the devil, also described in Revelations and BOM as the whore. It has ties that economically bind many nations into its ranks (1 Ne 14). It has such power as to lead the governments of the world. I think part of its control dates back to before Mayer Rothschild. It is highly organized at this point and included forming the Federal Reserve back in the day. The book of Revelations says that the whore leads the beast (Russia), but eventually the beast kills the whore. The book of Revelations also says the whore is intimate with the kings of the earth...and enslaves them. Economically of course. The CFR, trilateral commission, bilderbergers, are highly organized groups that fit into it and promotes the whore's agenda. I believe that one of its methods is to create war and make money by financing both sides. USA is an example...look how far we are in debt...much of it is attributed to war. Pointless war in such places as Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan. The bill is high to keep armies going. I believe that the Constitution of the US is under attack, because of all governments, it is one that recognizes all its people have rights and the government was set up to protect the individual rights. All other governments are governments of ruling men making the decisions of what rights you get and don't get. So one of its methods is to get rid of the Constitution. Another method is to create uneven playing fields in favor of its members, everything for money. Money is power.

2. How do Satan and Master Mahan fit into this organization, if at all?

Satan is the head of it. Not everyone that belongs to the whore understands who is pulling the strings. Some just want to belong. Satan is the head of the whore and also the beast. Eventually the beast kills the whore...talk about an untrustworthy master. Many belong to the SC due to the lust for power. They are brought into it slowly. If they do not play along...as they find out about it, they are killed. So many deaths out there don't make sense...politicians and aircraft, for example.

3. List the “Secret Combinations” that exist today and how they fit into Master Mahan’s Organization.

CFR, Trilateral Commission, Bilderbergs, many agencies in the US government, anyone that is working to promote the agenda of the whore. It reaches into our education, government, food industry, etc.

4. What can us as regular folks do to fight this Great Secret Combination?

I too think it is too late to stop them. We will have to shed blood to do it. Many have ideas that are sympathetic to the SCs ideas. They have lived in the system so long, they have adopted some of their ideas. For example, if you support programs that take care of you and involve you surrendering some of your freedom means you support Satan's plan. Many people want to be taken care of. I am not sure we can do anything (in the US where I live) but prepare and wait for the end. People are so easily deceived, that we can't organize without the SCs giving them some spin or sophistry (subtly deceptive logic that sounds right but is wrong on closer examination). The SCs even control the vote...we can't even vote them out if we did organize.


Just a few ideas...I am still learning...I started waking up 3 years ago. Thanks to so many of you for your ideas that I can consider and fit into my big picture.

[Oldemandalton]

[I believe there are at this time three world powers that are threats to freedom: 1.) a transnational conspiracy involving some Americans and other Westerners attempting to maneuver the world into a single socialist dictatorship, a.k.a. the New World Order (NWO); 2.) Russia, intent on building a world empire under communist government, which, BTW, has ever since the Bolsheviks gained power, been helped greatly by certain Western (especially American) financial and political powers in its development into a formidable military power, and in spreading communism to other countries; and 3.) China, with goals of world hegemony, for years now receiving advanced American technology and funding in order to upgrade its military. ]

This is how I see it too lundbaek except I would add those Islamic Radicals who are trying to establish an Islamic Caliphate in the Middle East.

Are these 4 World Powers Connected?



[One master mind is governing the nations. It is not the President of the United States...it is not the king or government of England or any other land; it is Satan himself. (I cheated. That's a quote from Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, Vol. 3, pp. 314-315)]

I agree, who do you think is this master mind (I call him Master Mahan)? How does this master mind rule the other governments?


[John, in Revelation 13, tells of a beast (the first of two) that will "make war with the saints" and will "overcome them", and then will be wiped out, although John does not tell us how. I believe, however, we can minimize the damage it will inflict on us by getting on with the personal and family preparations as we have been instructed by our prophets, by supporting candidates for political office who have the intelligence to understand and appreciate our Constitution and the integrity to be guided by it, and by preparing a "remnant" that will be able to work to restore our government to one based on the principles the Lord gave us in the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution, which Prophets have told us will happen.]

Lundbaek, I also agree with you that we need to prepare our families and learn about the Founding Father and the Constituion.

After we educate and prepare ourselves and our families what is next?

[We are bombarded daily by their media and consumerism tactics. They, Satan and his crew (affiliations too many to list), have infiltrated our children’s lives through TV, entertainment media and public education. They have infiltrated the water supply through fluoride treatments, and now anti-depressants. They have tainted our food supply by saturating 70% of our average grocery store shelves with GMO foods. They finance and basically run our medical community convincing us that our upset stomachs and headaches are brought on by social anxiety and are only healed by some new dangerous drug that was approved, with a handsome bribe, by the FDA]


Thank you, peculiar peanut, for a Mothers point of view. What would we do without our Mothers?

I agree with you that we need to disconnect from our home the entrance that Satan uses to come into it. Our TV sets! We disconnected our cable 5 years ago and have not missed it (well maybe for football). It gives us as a family more time together without the influence of Satan. Everyone should try it for 2 weeks straight and see the difference in their family! We use ours to watch DVDs, nothing R.


[Not everyone in a secret combination has a conscious knowledge of it. I believe there can be a spiritual side involved.
THE cause of the destruction of the Jaredites and the Nephites was involvement of the whole population in secret combinations. (Ether 8:21-22)]

I agree ktg, I believe Satan and his angels are a major influence on these Secret Combinations and how they may “appear” to work together.


[I think it is a monumental task for many of us to prepare our progeny and their peers so they can assist in the work to restore our government to one based on the principles the Lord gave us in the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution, which Prophets have told us will happen.]

Lundbaek, how do you think this will take place?


[The CFR, trilateral commission, bilderbergers, are highly organized groups that fit into it and promotes the whore's agenda. I believe that one of its methods is to create war and make money by financing both sides. USA is an example...look how far we are in debt...much of it is attributed to war. Pointless war in such places as Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan. The bill is high to keep armies going. I believe that the Constitution of the US is under attack, because of all governments, it is one that recognizes all its people have rights and the government was set up to protect the individual rights. All other governments are governments of ruling men making the decisions of what rights you get and don't get. So one of its methods is to get rid of the Constitution. Another method is to create uneven playing fields in favor of its members, everything for money. Money is power.

Haddomr, how do these Secret Combinations work together? Are they connected?

One more question for everyone, is there a Modern Day Master Mahan?

[believer]

Is there a Master Mahan today?


I think there are more than one. Queen Elizabeth II is hte head of the Committee of 300. Henry Kissinger is about as evil as anyone can get. The more documents I read, the more I realize that he is extremely evil. I think Bill Clinton is. I'm sure there are others that I either can't think of right now, or don't know anything about.

Believer

[lundbaek]

I wrote earlier that ["I think it is a monumental task for many of us to prepare our progeny and their peers so they can assist in the work to restore our government to one based on the principles the Lord gave us in the Declaration of Independence and the US Constitution, which Prophets have told us will happen."]

Oldemandalton asked: ["Lundbaek, how do you think this will take place?"]

At this point in time, I think the satanically planned and driven NWO will gradually accumulate power to the point where it dominates the whole world and makes war with the saints and overcomes them. I'm guessing that after the 1st beast self-destructs or is wiped out, and America gets "cleansed", the remnant will be augmented by LDSs and perhaps other righteous people from other lands, and I think also the 10 Tribes. The American whole continent will be isolated after the gathering. The people here then will help build the New Jerusalem, help build Zion’s cities, and we’ll set up what is called God’s law.

For now, I have a desire to help people become aware of our "awful situation", understand our Constitution and the importance of being guided in government by its principles, and begin looking for good constitution-minded people to run for office.

[buffalo_girl]

Is there a Master Mahan today?

Will it help us to know? I'm not so sure.

I suspect some high resolution, extremely convincing, maybe even living flesh 'image of the beast' will be trotted out to keep any freedom lovers in line. Terror is the operative word with these people, you know.

Just a couple of days ago I watched Blade Runner. Twenty-seven years ago this film dealt with the issues of genetic engineering, bringing America into the New Order, artificial memory, sequestered knowledge, environmental deterioration, desolating illness, elite individuals creating a society in which they themselves will not live...all realities we are living with today.

I'm convinced that these 'science fiction' books and films are a form of 'conditioning' of the general population to accept Satan's plan as it is gradually implemented in the mortal/physical realm.

So, who is Master Mahan?

Perhaps - as suggested to me by a very wise young LDS man - he is that first born of Adam & Eve who is yet 'a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth'. I am not of the opinion he repented of his chosen profession.

Moses 5:36-40

36 And now thou shalt be acursed from the earth which hath opened her mouth to receive thy brother’s blood from thy hand.
37 When thou tillest the ground it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength. A fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth.
38 And Cain said unto the Lord: Satan atempted me because of my brother’s flocks. And I was wroth also; for his offering thou didst accept and not mine; my punishment is greater than I can bear.
39 Behold thou hast driven me out this day from the face of the Lord, and from thy face shall I be hid; and I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth; and it shall come to pass, that he that findeth me will slay me, because of mine iniquities, for these things are not hid from the Lord.
40 And I the Lord said unto him: Whosoever slayeth thee, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And I the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.

[ktg]

Is there a Master Mahan today?

What does 'Master Mahan' mean?

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_Mahan

In the religious texts of the Latter Day Saint movement, Master Mahan is a title assumed first by Cain and later by his descendant Lamech. The title indicates that Cain and Lamech were each the "master" of a "great secret" whereby they covenanted with Satan to kill for personal gain.[1] The term is found in Joseph Smith, Jr.'s translation of the Bible, in Genesis 5, which is also published in the Inspired Version of the Bible by the Community of Christ, and in an excerpt published by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) as the Book of Moses.

Based on perceived Hebrew roots, the LDS Church speculates that the term Mahan could mean either mind, destroyer, or great one.[2] Non-Mormon scholars, however, suggest based on contextual and historical analysis that the term is related to Master Mason, the highest degree of the Blue Lodge of freemasonry.[3] Another suggestion by both Mormon and non-Mormon scholars is that the term is related to Mahoun, a pejorative reference to Muhammad during the Middle Ages which eventually became associated with witchcraft.[4]

From Liahona » 1984 » July
"Cain and Abel"

Satan continued to teach and tempt Cain in the ways of wickedness, saying, “Swear that thou wilt obey me and shalt tell no one, and I will deliver thy brother Abel into thine hands.”

When Cain heard these words, he exclaimed proudly, “Truly I am Mahan, the master of this great secret, that I may murder and get gain.”

From Ensign » 1976 » December
"A Strange Thing in the Land:
The Return of the Book of Enoch, Part 8"

Having deliberately severed all connection with his Heavenly Father, Cain was free to enter a formal agreement with Satan, by which he would receive instruction in the techniques of achieving power and gain: “Truly I am Mahan, the master of this great secret [The language is that of ancient colleges or guilds where the secret is the mystery of the trade or profession; in this case, his secret is how to convert life into property], that I may murder and get gain.

Sounds to me like the one who starts a secret combination is its 'Master Mahan'. I have no idea who has started the SCs listed above.

[WYp8riot]

While joining this board I have had a crash coarse on the Conspiracy Theories of the day. I go way back to the John Birch Society so I am no babe in the woods when it comes to the Secret Combinations and all. I believe you know how I think. I have a few questions for those on this board that will be enlightening and fun to discuss. Please don’t use links. I would rather hear how you would answer the questions not someone else. If you need to cut time go ahead and cut and paste paragraphs or articles. I hope you don’t mind. I just feel if it is on this page and not hyper linked then you own it and can be responded easily by others. So here are the questions;

1. What is the organization of the “Main” Secret Combination and what are its methods? THE ABOMINABLE CHURCH OF THE DEVIL.
2. How do Satan and Master Mahan fit into this organization, if at all? SATAN IS THE HEAD. I forget the scripture reference, sorry.
3. List the “Secret Combinations” that exist today and how they fit into Master Mahan’s Organization. THIS IS IMPOSSIBLE, We are now aware of many organized conspiracies as are stated all over this forum, however we cant possibly know ever evil conspiracy. Luckily we have been able to identify many of the big ones.
4. What can us as regular folks do to fight this Great Secret Combination? The scriptures and prophets tell us to befriend the constitution. We can do as stated by others above, and quit being indoctrinated by the media sources of the great abominable church. We can be educated and educate others on principles of freedom. We can commit to live the gospel better, be more in tune with the spirit, be better examples of Christ. We can do as stated in D&C 123: 13-17 and the scriptures in Ether and D&C regarding the constitution and our duty to befriend it.

I have my own theories but would love to hear from the group.
Old Man

-PAUL

[haddomr]

Haddomr, how do these Secret Combinations work together? Are they connected?

I'll venture a guess. Satan is orchestrating the whole symphony. The carrot is money. He has people in the food industry, in the media, in school education, working for him. I believe some of it comes from the CFR, who has multiple agendas. I am not sure that all SC activity is connected to an earthly source or leader. Enlighten me OMD.

[believer]

The main secret combinations that we have talked about on this forum are organized in circles.

The outer circle is the Federal Reserve.
Inside of that is the Council on Foreign Relations, and similiar organizations in other countries.
Inside of that is the Round Table.
Then comes the Trilateral Commission, and the Bilderburgers.
Inside of those circles is the Illuminati.
Above the Illuminati is the Commitee of 300
There are other circles inside of that, but I don't know anything about them.

The upper eschelons of these groups are Lucifarians, and they do worship Satan and take oaths to that effect. The main objective of these groups is the New World Order. These people are very evil.

You can find more info in the following books: "Hiding in Plain Sight", by Ken Bower, "The Naked Capitalist", by Cleon Skousen, and the book by John Coleman.

believer

[gruden]

4. What can us as regular folks do to fight this Great Secret Combination?

I have my own theories but would love to hear from the group.
Old Man

I like peculiar peanut's list. My thought on the matter after some serious thought is this:

We are all sons and daughters of God. That being the case, our bodies are electrical instruments designed to receive, process, and emit light. The better we are able to do this, the more easily we see the deception and wickedness promulgated by these Gadiantons. They know this too, because at high levels they engage in their own dark spirituality. One of their attacks against us is to degrade our bodies, thereby downgrading our electrical potential and ability to receive and transmit light. Our ability to perceive and understand spiritual truth goes out the window with all that. We are simply too polluted to think and respond properly.

So, what seems reasonable to me is that we have to detoxify ourselves. We have to dump the crap that limits our bodies and minds (and with it, our spirits) so we can see and understand more clearly. So we can receive light and intelligence from God more easily.

1. Obey the Word of Wisdom. All of it. That means cut back on meat (loaded with antibiotic and growth hormone goodies!) and eat more fresh fruits and veggies and whole grains. It says right there we will find hidden treasures of wisdom if we do so. It's built-in.

2. Fast regularly and often. Fasting clears out the body like nothing else. The Book of Mormon says intense fasting and prayer will lead to the spirit of prophecy and revelation. I also like to do water fasting to give my body more time to clear out all the junk I've accumulated.

3. Research herbs and supplements designed to strengthen whatever physical weaknesses your body has. One thing I highly recommend is iodine. Not the crap you buy from a pharmacy, but the pure, elemental stuff like Lugol's or SSKI or magnascent iodine. Halogen pollutants like fluoride, bromide, mercury and chlorine are rife in our food and water. They kick iodine out of our bodies and disrupt cellular function. Sustained dosages of iodine helps kick that crap out to help our bodies work better. Iodine is critical not just for the thyroid, but breast tissue and ovaries in women and the prostate in men. One wise man I learned a lot from during my awakening said "Iodine covers a multitude of sins." Take it with selenium and magnesium too.

Look into wheatgrass juicing as well. Apparently it was part of the Essenes' spiritual life, as they believed it helped elevate one's body and spirituality. According to them, Jesus knew about that, too. Something to consider.

Get your body cleared out and working properly and it makes it a lot easier for your spirit to function to its potential. Then there's very little the Gadiantons can get past you.

[p51-mustang]

Gruden, you forgot to mention the importance of exercising regularly.

[Oldemandalton]

[Is there a Master Mahan today?
I think there are more than one. Queen Elizabeth II is hte head of the Committee of 300. Henry Kissinger is about as evil as anyone can get. The more documents I read, the more I realize that he is extremely evil. I think Bill Clinton is. I'm sure there are others that I either can't think of right now, or don't know anything about.
Believer]

Believer, are these Master Mahans or just evil men who have literally “sold their souls to Satan” and work for the head honcho, Master Mahan?

[At this point in time, I think the satanically planned and driven NWO will gradually accumulate power to the point where it dominates the whole world and makes war with the saints and overcomes them. I'm guessing that after the 1st beast self-destructs or is wiped out, and America gets "cleansed", the remnant will be augmented by LDSs and perhaps other righteous people from other lands, and I think also the 10 Tribes. The American whole continent will be isolated after the gathering. The people here then will help build the New Jerusalem, help build Zion’s cities, and we’ll set up what is called God’s law.
For now, I have a desire to help people become aware of our "awful situation", understand our Constitution and the importance of being guided in government by its principles, and begin looking for good constitution-minded people to run for office.]

I didn’t think that the Saints were overcome in the Last Days but is to remain till the 2nd Coming. I know that the Constitution will hang by a thread and the Elders will save it. Didn’t the Beast overcome the Saints in the 5th century and thus bring about the Apostasy?

I agree that there will be a gathering during a period of chaos/collapse with a return of the 10 tribes and so on.

I think we can all agree with you, Lundbaek, that we need to learn AND teach to as many as possible the principles that our Founding Fathers used to establish this Country.

Lunbaek, can good constitution-minded people run in the Republican/Democrate party of today?


[I'm convinced that these 'science fiction' books and films are a form of 'conditioning' of the general population to accept Satan's plan as it is gradually implemented in the mortal/physical realm.
So, who is Master Mahan?
Perhaps - as suggested to me by a very wise young LDS man - he is that first born of Adam & Eve who is yet 'a fugitive and a vagabond in the earth'. I am not of the opinion he repented of his chosen profession.]

Buffalo Girl, please tell me it aint so, I love Sci Fi. Actually many early Sci Fi writers, using their imaginations, predicted many of the modern inventions we use today. They continue to predict how the future may look like. Inventions that is. We know that there will be a 1000 years of peace. Just think what the mind of man, with God’s help, may come up with during the Millennium!

Interesting theory on Cain. How did he survive the flood though?


[What does 'Master Mahan' mean?
From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Master_Mahan
In the religious texts of the Latter Day Saint movement, Master Mahan is a title assumed first by Cain and later by his descendant Lamech. The title indicates that Cain and Lamech were each the "master" of a "great secret" whereby they covenanted with Satan to kill for personal gain.[1] The term is found in Joseph Smith, Jr.'s translation of the Bible, in Genesis 5, which is also published in the Inspired Version of the Bible by the Community of Christ, and in an excerpt published by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church) as the Book of Moses.
Based on perceived Hebrew roots, the LDS Church speculates that the term Mahan could mean either mind, destroyer, or great one.[2] Non-Mormon scholars, however, suggest based on contextual and historical analysis that the term is related to Master Mason, the highest degree of the Blue Lodge of freemasonry.[3] Another suggestion by both Mormon and non-Mormon scholars is that the term is related to Mahoun, a pejorative reference to Muhammad during the Middle Ages which eventually became associated with witchcraft.[4]
From Liahona » 1984 » July
"Cain and Abel"
Satan continued to teach and tempt Cain in the ways of wickedness, saying, “Swear that thou wilt obey me and shalt tell no one, and I will deliver thy brother Abel into thine hands.”
When Cain heard these words, he exclaimed proudly, “Truly I am Mahan, the master of this great secret, that I may murder and get gain.”
From Ensign » 1976 » December
"A Strange Thing in the Land:
The Return of the Book of Enoch, Part 8"
Having deliberately severed all connection with his Heavenly Father, Cain was free to enter a formal agreement with Satan, by which he would receive instruction in the techniques of achieving power and gain: “Truly I am Mahan, the master of this great secret [The language is that of ancient colleges or guilds where the secret is the mystery of the trade or profession; in this case, his secret is how to convert life into property], that I may murder and get gain.Sounds to me like the one who starts a secret combination is its 'Master Mahan'. I have no idea who has started the SCs listed above.]


Thanks, KTG, for the definition of the Master Mahan. I believe that there is one Master Mahan today who serves directly under Satan. I am sure there are others who have sold their sole but there has to be one guy in charge, right?

[The scriptures and prophets tell us to befriend the constitution. We can do as stated by others above, and quit being indoctrinated by the media sources of the great abominable church. We can be educated and educate others on principles of freedom. We can commit to live the gospel better, be more in tune with the spirit, be better examples of Christ. We can do as stated in D&C 123: 13-17 and the scriptures in Ether and D&C regarding the constitution and our duty to befriend it.]

I agree with you here Paul. The Constitution is the key to our freedoms and the Gospel the key to our Salvation.

[I'll venture a guess. Satan is orchestrating the whole symphony. The carrot is money. He has people in the food industry, in the media, in school education, working for him. I believe some of it comes from the CFR, who has multiple agendas. I am not sure that all SC activity is connected to an earthly source or leader. Enlighten me OMD.]


Money is a very powerful carrot, Haddomr. The lure of POWER is even greater. Why else would millionaires desire to run for office or take over countries? Power is a greater intoxicant than money when you have so much it means nothing to you. If the carrots don’t work you always have the sticks; threats, kidnapping, assassinations (Lincoln, JFK, Reagan, etc), & blackmail.

There are numberless secret combinations. I don’t think they are all connected to one man but they are ALL connected to Satan and his angels. I am sure that Satan and his evil spirits can coordinate some of their activities in a broad manner from their world.

[The main secret combinations that we have talked about on this forum are organized in circles.
The outer circle is the Federal Reserve.
Inside of that is the Council on Foreign Relations, and similiar organizations in other countries.
Inside of that is the Round Table.
Then comes the Trilateral Commission, and the Bilderburgers.
Inside of those circles is the Illuminati.
Above the Illuminati is the Commitee of 300
There are other circles inside of that, but I don't know anything about them.
The upper eschelons of these groups are Lucifarians, and they do worship Satan and take oaths to that effect. The main objective of these groups is the New World Order. These people are very evil.
You can find more info in the following books: "Hiding in Plain Sight", by Ken Bower, "The Naked Capitalist", by Cleon Skousen, and the book by John Coleman.
believer]

I like your thinking, Believer, circles describes it very well. My Circles would look like this though;
Satan and his evil spirits.
Master Mahan and his disciples (those who have sold their souls knowingly).
Greater Secret Combinations.
Lesser Secret Combinations.
Wanna Be’s.

[I like peculiar peanut's list. My thought on the matter after some serious thought is this:
We are all sons and daughters of God. That being the case, our bodies are electrical instruments designed to receive, process, and emit light. The better we are able to do this, the more easily we see the deception and wickedness promulgated by these Gadiantons. They know this too, because at high levels they engage in their own dark spirituality. One of their attacks against us is to degrade our bodies, thereby downgrading our electrical potential and ability to receive and transmit light. Our ability to perceive and understand spiritual truth goes out the window with all that. We are simply too polluted to think and respond properly.
So, what seems reasonable to me is that we have to detoxify ourselves. We have to dump the crap that limits our bodies and minds (and with it, our spirits) so we can see and understand more clearly. So we can receive light and intelligence from God more easily.
1. Obey the Word of Wisdom. All of it. That means cut back on meat (loaded with antibiotic and growth hormone goodies!) and eat more fresh fruits and veggies and whole grains. It says right there we will find hidden treasures of wisdom if we do so. It's built-in.
2. Fast regularly and often. Fasting clears out the body like nothing else. The Book of Mormon says intense fasting and prayer will lead to the spirit of prophecy and revelation. I also like to do water fasting to give my body more time to clear out all the junk I've accumulated.
3. Research herbs and supplements designed to strengthen whatever physical weaknesses your body has. One thing I highly recommend is iodine. Not the crap you buy from a pharmacy, but the pure, elemental stuff like Lugol's or SSKI or magnascent iodine. Halogen pollutants like fluoride, bromide, mercury and chlorine are rife in our food and water. They kick iodine out of our bodies and disrupt cellular function. Sustained dosages of iodine helps kick that crap out to help our bodies work better. Iodine is critical not just for the thyroid, but breast tissue and ovaries in women and the prostate in men. One wise man I learned a lot from during my awakening said "Iodine covers a multitude of sins." Take it with selenium and magnesium too.
Look into wheatgrass juicing as well. Apparently it was part of the Essenes' spiritual life, as they believed it helped elevate one's body and spirituality. According to them, Jesus knew about that, too. Something to consider.
Get your body cleared out and working properly and it makes it a lot easier for your spirit to function to its potential. Then there's very little the Gadiantons can get past you.]

Thanks, Gruden. Doesn’t the D & C mention Secret Combinations for the reason the Saints were asked by God to make their own wine for the Sacrament before we went to water?

[Gruden, you forgot to mention the importance of exercising regularly.]

Thanks, P-51, for the reminder. My gym pass is beginning to collect dust.

[believer]

I don't know who the top Master Mahan is. He or she is definately one that has coluded with Satan. Queen Elizabeth is top dog of the Committee of 300. I don't know if anyone is above her or not. I know there are others who have combined with others in the SC to commit murder. But below Satan, Queen Elizabeth has more power than anyone on earth. Perhaps a study of t he Black Nobility will reveal who it is, I don't know.

I agree with your circles within circles as well.

One thing we can be sure of: Right will win in the end. The Lord, Jesus Christ, is in control, and he well return. The wicked will be destroyed.

Believer

[lundbaek]

I was asked "can good constitution-minded people run in the Republican/Democrate party of today?"

Constitution-minded Congressman Larry MacDonald was elected as a Democrat from Georgia. Constitution-minded Ron Paul ran for president and was just re-elected to Congress for a 10th term as a Republican from Texas. Here in Arizona there are 3 constitution-minded state legislators I know of. So yes, it is doable.

[lundbaek]

Yes, right will win in the end. But as an Apostle, Joseph Fielding Smith wrote in “Doctrines of Salvation”, Vol.3, pp. 314-315: “Satan has control now. No matter where you look, he is in control, even in our own land. He is guiding the governments as far as the Lord will permit him." So yes, the Lord, Jesus Christ has ultimate control, and he well return. The wicked will be destroyed. But we had better not just wait for the Prophet to tell us to get involved in opposing Satan and helping the right to win.

[buffalo_girl]

Interesting theory on Cain. How did he survive the flood though?

Here is a rather in depth discussion on the possibilities of Cain's continued 'existence' in mortality.

http://maritimemormon.blogspot.com/2007 ... alive.html

I have no proof of his continued mortal existence. I was, however, witness to an extraordinary being walking along a lonely road near the Oquirrh Mountains in 1980 on my way home from an evening Relief Society Meeting. I never saw him again in the six years I lived in the area. His height was well over seven feet and his carriage the most weary and earthbond I have ever, ever seen in any creature.

Not until sometime later did I wonder what or who it was I had seen.

[Bridgey]

I personally like the idea that Cain is the Master behind the SC's. It kind of makes sense. If you have the 3 Nephites and John the Beloved doing the good they do on the earth, then why wouldn't there be an opposite in all things? Eg. Cain roaming the earth doing his bidding. But then again, what is to stop him killing us all, his original family etc? He is immortal isn't he? But as for him roaming the earth on foot, I would think he would happily use modern technology (even if he is sad, low and bored - thus the fun in gaining power). Interesting topic and discussion.

[straightarrow]

OK, finally got me to post and not just read...

Oldman asked how we can fight the Gadiantons -- and no one mentioned the book of Mormon solution! DrJones has talked about this over and over. The Gads kept coming back in Helaman through 3 Nephi 9, but two things broke their hold over the people:

1. "Stop feeding the Gadiantons" as DrJ says. In 3 Nephi 3 nad 4 the righteous banded together and shared their resources too, enough for 7 years. The KEY was that they STARVED OUT THE GADS, who were shown to be PARASITES. That's how you do it, stop feeding them!

OK -- how do you do that these days? I'll leave that up to you brainy people. For me, a start is to get out of debt -- I am out of debt now. No ineterest payments to the GADS, not any more!!
SEcond, I have food storage so I'm not afraid if they cut off food shipments, or the electric grid either (well, not much afraid of that).

2. Jesus came and wiped them out. That is coming, but to be ready for that, see 1).

Remember, there is a woe pronounced on those who support the Gadiantons, even if you don't awaken to the situation -- Ether 8: 20-26 area. So we have to figure out HOW to STOP supporting the Gadiantons!!

[pritchet1]

The Lord gave only a few individuals the ability to stay on earth. Cain wasn't one of them. I'm sure he lost his body some time ago. I doubt his soul was transfigured into some kind of biomechanical device (ref. Star Trek/Star Wars genre). God would not allow it. Lucifer does not have that power (ref. werewolves and draculas).

And we have been told that Lucifer and his minions have no power over us unless we let them. They also do not have the power to read our thoughts. I'm sure they listen in to our verbal prayers. Perhaps that is why we are to keep constant prayer in our hearts.

I'm doing as much as possible to get the priesthood into the spiritual hands of my ancestors, so they can fully participate in the Hosts of Heaven activities to protect us in times of need here in mortality.

There are more for us than against us, but if they (those beyond the veil) do not have the priesthood, they are not in a position to help us. We do our part in the temples and they then will be able to do theirs in the Spirit world. Stay temple-worthy.

Identify the enemies of Christ and somehow, some way, get them to become converted to the gospel. If we can do it successfully at the gang level, we should be able to do it at the Committee of 300 level.

I pray that their hearts will be changed, repent and come unto Christ before it is everlastingly too late.

Don't just "hold" the priesthood, minister and use it as "doers" of the priesthood! Make miracles happen. Oh, yes we can! Faith can move mountains - and hearts and minds.

[buffalo_girl]

And we have been told that Lucifer and his minions have no power over us unless we let them.

To a degree you are correct when you say 'they' have no power over us when we are worthy of having the Spirit to guide us and have the sense to submit to its influence every moment, and yet, Satan had power to appear to Eve in the form of a serpent which spoke, to Moses*, to Christ, and to Joseph Smith as a force of paralysing darkness prior to the appearance of God the Father and the Messiah.

2 Corinthians 11:13-14
13 For such are false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ.
14 And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

* Moses 1:13-14
13 And it came to pass that Moses looked upon Satan and said: Who art thou? For behold, I am a son of God, in the similitude of his Only Begotten; and where is thy glory, that I should worship thee?
14 For behold, I could not look upon God, except his glory should come upon me, and I were transfigured before him. But I can look upon thee in the natural man. Is it not so, surely?

It is wise to acknowledge the power of evil to influence mortals who gladly ally themselves with Satan and carry out his work of destroying the mortal Creation.

Matthew 24:21, 29
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.

29 ¶ Immediately after the tribulation of those adays shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

ALL Creation is in the hands of the Creator. He will allow us to be tested in these Last Days in ways never before possible. After all we can do, I believe we will yet be tested beyond our mortal capacity to endure. We will need to be worthy to call upon the Powers of Heaven to intercede in overcoming the destructive forces of evil.