The Lord commandeth you ... that ye shall awake

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23 Wherefore, O ye Gentiles, it is wisdom in God that these things should be shown unto you, that thereby ye may repent of your sins, and suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you, which are built up to get power and gain—and the work, yea, even the work of destruction come upon you, yea, even the sword of the justice of the Eternal God shall fall upon you, to your overthrow and destruction if ye shall suffer these things to be.

24 Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination which shall be among you; or wo be unto it, because of the blood of them who have been slain; for they cry from the dust for vengeance upon it, and also upon those who built it up.

25 For it cometh to pass that whoso buildeth it up seeketh to overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations, and countries; and it bringeth to pass the destruction of all people, for it is built up by the devil, who is the father of all lies; even that same liar who beguiled our first parents, yea, even that same liar who hath caused man to commit murder from the beginning; who hath hardened the hearts of men that they have murdered the prophets, and stoned them, and cast them out from the beginning.

26 Wherefore, I, Moroni, am commanded to write these things that evil may be done away, and that the time may come that Satan may have no power upon the hearts of the children of men, but that they may be persuaded to do good continually, that they may come unto the fountain of all righteousness and be saved.

(Ether 8:23-26)

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It is interesting that pedophilia isn't mentioned in the Book of Mormon being practiced amongst the gadianton robbers or other secret combinations. Has the USA taken the final steps towards openly worshiping satan? Are we much more depraved than the nephites/lamanites? Even sodom and gomorrah?

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paulrobots wrote:It is interesting that pedophilia isn't mentioned in the Book of Mormon being practiced amongst the gadianton robbers or other secret combinations. Has the USA taken the final steps towards openly worshiping satan? Are we much more depraved than the nephites/lamanites? Even sodom and gomorrah?
The Book of Mormon does say that the Nephites in the final stages of their degradation raped, tortured, killed and then ate Lamanite women prisoners.

As you see in the second video, the devil worshiping elites today do the same thing to children, and they combine it with ritualistic devil worship.

I guess the difference is that now the percentage of good people in America is higher than that among the Nephites or Jaredites at their end. Therefore instead of a complete destruction, there will be a separation of righteous from the wicked.

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It's good to be frequently reminded of the warnings we LDSs have received concerning the secret combinations. President Boyd K. Packer stated in the August 2010 Ensign, Pg. 23 : "We live in a time of war, that spiritual war that will never end. Moroni warned us that the secret combinations begun by Gadianton ‘are had among all people. . . . Wherefore, O ye Gentiles [and the term gentile in that place in the Book of Mormon refers to us in our generation], it is wisdom in God that these things should be shown unto you, that thereby ye may repent of your sins, and suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you. . . . Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination which shall be among you. [Ether 8:20, 23–24].

"The subject of secret combinations occurs in some 442 verses in the Book of Mormon, being mentioned more than any other subject with the exception of Jesus the Christ and His Atonement. And the Lord told us in D&C 123: 14-15 that we have a duty to "Waste and wear out our lives in bringing to light all the hidden things of darkness, wherein we know them; and they are truly manifest from heaven -- These should then be attended to with great earnestness. Let no man count them as small things; for there is much which lieth in futurity, pertaining to the saints, which depends upon these things." And Elder James E. Faust explained at BYU in November 1994 that "Brigham Young said that it is important to study....evil, and its consequences" Since Satan is the author pf all evil in the world, it would therefore be essential to realize that he is the influence behind the opposition to the work of God." " (My source: The Book of Mormon and MODERN Secret Combinations).

In church at this time our attention is being focused only on threats to our religious freedoms. But in 1995 Elder Joseph B. Worthlin stated that "The Lord has warned us repeatedly against the evils and designs of conspiring men in our day who would enslave us."

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lundbaek wrote:It's good to be frequently reminded of the warnings we LDSs have received concerning the secret combinations. President Boyd K. Packer stated in the August 2010 Ensign, Pg. 23 : "We live in a time of war, that spiritual war that will never end. Moroni warned us that the secret combinations begun by Gadianton ‘are had among all people. . . . Wherefore, O ye Gentiles [and the term gentile in that place in the Book of Mormon refers to us in our generation], it is wisdom in God that these things should be shown unto you, that thereby ye may repent of your sins, and suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you. . . . Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination which shall be among you. [Ether 8:20, 23–24].

"The subject of secret combinations occurs in some 442 verses in the Book of Mormon, being mentioned more than any other subject with the exception of Jesus the Christ and His Atonement. And the Lord told us in D&C 123: 14-15 that we have a duty to "Waste and wear out our lives in bringing to light all the hidden things of darkness, wherein we know them; and they are truly manifest from heaven -- These should then be attended to with great earnestness. Let no man count them as small things; for there is much which lieth in futurity, pertaining to the saints, which depends upon these things." And Elder James E. Faust explained at BYU in November 1994 that "Brigham Young said that it is important to study....evil, and its consequences" Since Satan is the author pf all evil in the world, it would therefore be essential to realize that he is the influence behind the opposition to the work of God." " (My source: The Book of Mormon and MODERN Secret Combinations).

In church at this time our attention is being focused only on threats to our religious freedoms. But in 1995 Elder Joseph B. Worthlin stated that "The Lord has warned us repeatedly against the evils and designs of conspiring men in our day who would enslave us."
Shortly after I returned from a mission, Elder Wirthlin came to Houston and spoke to the Single Adults. His opening comment was: America is the host nation of the Gospel. It must be preserved for the Church to fulfill its destiny.

I was so impressed with that statement that even shortly afterwards, I couldn't remember any other topic he spoke on. The brief statement on America was not related to the rest of his talk. That was 1981.

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According to statements in the Doctrine and Covenants and recorded statements especially of Joseph Smith, Brigham Young, Orson Pratt, John Taylor, Melvin J. Ballard, J. Reuben Clark, Harold B. Lee, and Ezra Taft Benson, it appears that God committed to Americans the task of learning and upholding the principles of the US Constitution as it was intended to be understood by the Lord such that by example those principles would reverberate to other nations where people would desire to live by its precepts and choose to be governed by them, and those principles would eventually apply to "all flesh" and "be established forever". Interesting, is it not, that those statements were given specifically and only to Latter-day Saints. And although the Lord has given Latter-day Saints the knowledge and the responsibility to help reveal and oppose the secret combination currently destroying America, it seems that we generally have not had the wisdom to act on it, and consequently that conspiracy has clearly gotten above us.

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paulrobots wrote:It is interesting that pedophilia isn't mentioned in the Book of Mormon being practiced amongst the gadianton robbers or other secret combinations. Has the USA taken the final steps towards openly worshiping satan? Are we much more depraved than the nephites/lamanites? Even sodom and gomorrah?
Mormon 1:19 And it came to pass that there were sorceries, and witchcrafts, and magics; and the power of the evil one was wrought upon all the face of the land, even unto the fulfilling of all the words of Abinadi, and also Samuel the Lamanite.

Mormon 2:10 And it came to pass that the Nephites began to repent of their iniquity, and began to cry even as had been prophesied by Samuel the prophet; for behold no man could keep that which was his own, for the thieves, and the robbers, and the murderers, and the magic art, and the witchcraft which was in the land.

You cannot have the worst of these things without blood sacrifice. It's rarely widespread, however. When it got to the lowly warriors raping, killing, and eating the hearts, it's not good, especially if it was a widespread practice.
"Satanism" has its grades, just like "Christianity" does. The Church of SatanTM is like the evangelicals--brash, open, members don't really have a clue what they are doing, "it's cool", "my preacher says...", etc. The real church of Lucifer is not.

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In the priesthood session of the October 2009 General Conference, President Uchtdorf interrupted whatever he was talking about with the seemingly our-of-context statement that "For members of the Church education is not merely a good idea, it is a commandment. We are to learn of things both in heaven and in the earth, and under the earth; THINGS WHICH HAVE BEEN, THINGS WHICH ARE, THINGS WHICH MUST SHORTLY COME TO PASS;" (my emphasis). The printed version of that particular statement referenced D&C 88:79, which continues on: "THINGS WHICH ARE AT HOME, THINGS WHICH ARE ABROAD; THE WARS AND THE PERPLEXITIES OF THE NATIONS, AND THE JUDGEMENTS WHICH ARE ON THE LAND; AND A KNOWLEDGE ALSO OF COUNTRIES AND OF KINGDOMS-" A knowledge of these things will stand us very well in our understanding of what is happening in the world.

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Whatever evil activities the latter-day gadiantons are involved in, I consider their endeavour to gain control of the governments of all nations and bring them under a single world government the most dangerous to all of us. That will give them control of all financial, industrial, natural and other resources.

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lundbaek wrote: March 31st, 2017, 12:03 am Whatever evil activities the latter-day gadiantons are involved in, I consider their endeavour to gain control of the governments of all nations and bring them under a single world government the most dangerous to all of us. That will give them control of all financial, industrial, natural and other resources.
Yes, but most people don't care. This issue may snap them from their propaganda induced trance.

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The Lord's commandment thru Moroni in Ether 8 to awake to a sense of our "awful situation" still stands, right along with every other commandment given us in the Book of Mormon. However, it should be apparent to all Church members that the Church authorities are not promoting this topic, other than the occasional hint, like the in August 2010 Ensign article (Pg. 23) by President Packer. Likewise, it should be apparent from reading the Book of Mormon that the LDS people have a doctrinal imperative to preserve liberty. But the last discussion that I know of, of that duty by a Church authority in which we were given specific action items - things to do - was by President Benson in October 1987.

In an email to Arizona Congressman Andy Biggs today I included the following comment:
"As for turning things around toward preserving liberty in the United States, I think we are beyond the point of not return for now. I have read and heard talk of an eventual restoration of the principles of the Constitution at some later time, and I have been involved in the battle to help educate and prepare people for when such a turn-around becomes a reality. Even though my efforts along that line are directed mostly at that small element of American society that, as far as I know, still stands under a "doctrinal imperative to preserve liberty", I think I perceive a slight and gradual awakening."

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I think you are right. The time to turn this ship around by usual political means is past (just look at the roughly half ready to march in the streets against Trump, and the majority of the other half still buying the statists' lies). God will preach his sermons soon, then the remnant will have a choice to accept his kingdom on earth, or join the kingdom of the devil. So teaching the truth is still valid. And the principles of liberty will triumph to the uttermost among those who will align themselves with God and Christ.

Truth, like love, is never wasted.

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Yes, eventually the principles of liberty will triumph to the uttermost among those who will align themselves with God and Christ. However, I cannot help thinking that between now and when liberty triumphs we will be afflicted by that "beast" that according to John in Revelation 13 will make war with the saints and overcome them. I think the extent to which we survive that will depend to a great extent on our individual righteousness. And I think righteousness includes learning and upholding the design and will of God concerning the political liberty of all people, even though we are not now being given a "how to" list of instructions by the Prophet as we were given in past years and decades.

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I wonder how many LDS people are aware of the warning given us by the Lord thru Nephi in 2. Nephi 26:22, thru Moroni in Ether 8, and by latter-day prophets and apostles about the secret combinations that exist in our day, and that we were/are to "suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you, which are built up to get power and gain". We have allowed them to get above us, in spite of warnings by latter-day prophets and apostles. But even the mere mention of these things in church, among the very people who should be most aware of them and therefore have the greatest responsibility to oppose them, brings derision, and sometimes worse.

I call attention to an article in The New American magazine thru a link on the World Affairs Brief site of 4/4/2017. I hope you will look it up at www.worldaffairsbrief.com and read thru it. And The New American of 4/4/2016 also contains articles that to my mind substantiate this claim. If true, and I believe it is true, it should be convincing that there are officials in the U.S. Government and very likely in the governments of some states who are complicit in the mass migration from 3rd world countries into the United States, for possibly any number of their own reasons. But it certainly does smell like a treasonous conspiracy to undermine and destabilize the United States. I hesitate to share this with most of my acquaintances because it sounds so bizarre, and I find it difficult to explain to people who do not already recognize and understand the conspiracy to gain control of the world's wealth and government, how the current forced migration is being used to expedite the global government agenda, which, by the way, will result in the destruction of the U.S. Constitution (which is already hanging by a thread) and its principles and the final demise of the American constitutional republic.

The New American reported that the real agenda behind the UN's “refugee” schemes, designed with help from the totalitarian Socialist International alliance, is hardly humanitarian. Instead, the agenda includes, according to critics and architects of the schemes alike, the breaking down of national sovereignty. Top government leaders including Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban has also blasted what he termed a “treasonous conspiracy” of “internationalist fanatics” to undermine Western civilization, Christianity, and the nation-state on the road toward “world order.” In fact, the same establishment globalists flooding the West with migrants were largely responsible for destroying the Middle Eastern countries many of the refugees are fleeing. Globalism and Big Government are key to understanding the phenomenon.
If the real goal were truly humanitarian, shipping millions of African and Middle Eastern refugees to Europe and America at taxpayer expense would be among the most absurd strategies imaginable. Estimates suggest the cost of importing a single refugee is 50 times higher than helping the refugees closer to their own countries, meaning for every one imported to re-settle in the West, 50 more must suffer closer to their home countries. Plus, if they remain near their homelands, they can return home to rebuild once the danger has passed.

America's national security and public health are being recklessly put at risk by the UN and the federal government, all to advance a totalitarian agenda. If even some of what Noble has described is true — and so far there is no reason to doubt the accuracy of her testimony — something is clearly very wrong. Congress, Trump, and the states must investigate what is happening. Any programs involving the dictator-dominated UN should be canceled immediately, along with any schemes to flood the West with foreigners for subversive purposes

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lundbaek, I appreciate your comments and have been monitoring the LDSFF for some time before registering today. Like you, I have been aware of the modern Gadiantons for almost 50 years and have read many books documenting their activities. I have been a subscriber to American Opinion and TNA as well as the Spotlight (American Free Press) and World Affairs Brief. I've read much of the works of Gary Allen, W. Cleon Skousen, H. Verlan Anderson, Christopher Bentley, Jerome Horowitz, Ezra Taft Benson, and others but the book that really documents what we are up against is the Book of Mormon!

I have written letters, made phone calls, and visited my Representative's and Senator's offices to voice my opinions in regard to the direction we need to pursue in support of Constitutional government. I have attended Town Hall meetings and voiced my concerns on current issues. I have been a delegate to the Louisiana State Republican Convention twice and have spent hours in support of good government. It seems that we have some victories, but I don't think we will tip the scales in the right direction before the "wheels fall off" and a great humbling takes place. We should never give up even though it appears that darkness is spreading all over the land, for we know how it will all eventually end. Thanks for your example.

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Buster's statement above that "...the book that really documents what we are up against is the Book of Mormon!" is so true, and it grieves me that so few LDS people recognize that. I understand that the Church First Presidency and other General Authorities can no longer warn us in any detail about the works of the latter-day gadiantons (LDGs) out of concern, as Jerome Horowitz explained to me shortly before he died, that the LDGs would exact retribution against the Church that would greatly hinder its missionary and building programs. The last good direction I heard Re. awakening to our "awful situation" came from President Uchtdorf in the I think it was the 2009 General Conference Priesthood Session, when he said "For members of the Church, education is not merely a good idea, it is a commandment. We are to learn of..." and then he quoted from D&C 88:79. I think D&C 93:53 tells us the same thing. But it seems few there be that will do that.

President Hinkley once stated that "The Book of Mormon narrative is a chronicle of nations long since gone. But in its descriptions  of  the  problems of  today’s society, it is as current as the morning newspaper and much more definitive, inspired, and inspiring concerning  the  solutions of those problems."   You might find the following scriptures from the Book of Mormon indicative of what has been going on in America for some time now.   I might have done better with this, but giving more details on the context of each of the quoted scriptures, but I really shouldn't need to.  -

In 2 Nephi 26 (See Verses 14 & 22) we read that in the "last days" “The Gentiles shall build up false churches and secret combinations.”

In Helaman 2 we read how one Gadianton became the leader of a band, the object of which was to “destroy Helaman”, and “to murder, and to rob, and to gain power”. We are also told that “this Gadioanton did prove the overthrow, yea, almost the entire destruction of the people of Nephi.”

In Helaman 3 we learn that “there was continual peace established in the land, all save it were the secret combinations which Gadianton the robber had established in the more settled parts of the land, wich at that time were not known to those who were at the head of government;' therefore thety were not destroyed out of the land.”

In Helaman 6 we are told in some detail that “Lucifer, the author of sin, guides the Gadianton robbers in their murders and wickedness – They take over the Nephite government.” It is interesting to read that “this band of robbers was utterly destroyed from among the Lamanites”, but “on the other hand, that the Nephites did build them up and support them....until they had overspread all the land of the Nephites....And thus they did obtain the sole management of the government.”

In Helaman 7 we read that Nephi, the son of Helaman, found “the people {of Nephi] in a state of such awful wickedness, and those Gadianton robbers filling the judgment-seats – having usurped the power and authority of the land; laying aside the commandments of God, and not in the least aright before him; doing no justice unto the children of men.; condemning the righteous because of their righteousness; letting the guilty and the wicked go unpunished because of their money; and moreover to be held in office at the head of government to rule and do according to their wills, that they might get gain and glory of the world, and moreover, that they might more easily commit adultery, and steal, and kill, and do according to their wills”.

In Helaman 8 we read how “Corrupt judges seek to incite the people against Nephi.”, and that “those judges were angry with him because he spake plainly unto them concerning their secret works of darkness”. At the end of this chapter and into Chapter 9 we read that “By inspiration Nephi announces the murderer of the chief judge, and then by inspiration identifies the murderer, and finally “is accepted by some as a prophet.

In 3 Nephi 6 we learn of further iniquities. “A complaint came up unto the land of Zarahemla, to the governor of the land, against these judges who had condemned the prophets of the Lord unto death, not according to the law.....those judges had many friends and kindreds....and they did enter into a covenant one with another,,,which covenant which was given by then of old, which covenant was given and administered by the devil, to combine against all righteousness.... And they did set at defiance the law and the rights of their country; and they did covenant one with another to destroy the governor, and to establish a king over th eland, that the land should no more be at liberty but should be subject unto kings.”

In 3 Nephi 7 we read of the murder of a chief judge and the overthrow of the Nephite government; 'the regulations of the goveernment were destroyed, because of the secret combination of friends and kindred of those who murdered the prophets,...and did place at their head a man whom they did call Jacob; and they did call him their king.

In 4 Nephi we again read “that the wicked part of the people began again to build up the secret oaths and combinations of Gadianton”, and “the robbers of Gadianton did spread over all the face of th eland; and there were none that were righteous save it were the disciples of Jesus.”

In Ether 8 we read Moroni's warning that “whatsoever nation shall uphold such secret combinations, to get power and gain, until they shall spread over the nation, behold, they shall be destroyed;”. We are told that we should “suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above youo, which are built up to get power and gain. And we are told that “The Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combinations which shall be among you....” and that whosoever buildeth it up seeketh to oveerthrow the freedom of all lands, nations, and countries; and it bringeth to pass the destruction of all people, for it is built up by the devil,”.



No question in my mind that there are present in the United States elements intent on undermining, weakening and destroying our constitutional republic government and supplanting it with a centralized socialist government and then making America subservient to a regional, and then subservient to a single world government.

Ezra Taft Benson, President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, speaking in a Church General Conference in October 1988, stated: "I testify that wickedness is rapidly expanding in every segment of our society. It is more highly organized, more cleverly disguised, and more powerfully promoted than ever before. Secret combinations lusting for power, gain and glory are flourishing. A secret combination that seeks to overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations and countries is increasing its evil influence and control over America and the entire world.” A SECRET COMBINATION means that there is one single group in particular that is running this conspiracy.

President Boyd K. Packer, in the August 2010 Ensign, Pg. 23, using Ether 8: 20 & 23-24 as reference, told us that, "We live in a time of war, that spiritual war that will never end. Moroni warned us that the secret combinations begun by Gadianton are had among all people. . . . Wherefore, O ye Gentiles [and the term gentile in that place in the Book of Mormon refers to us in our generation], it is wisdom in God that these things should be shown unto you, that thereby ye may repent of your sins, and suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you. . . . Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination which shall be among you.” [Ether 8:20, 23–24]

Nephi, prophesying concerning the “last days”, stated that “there are secret combinations, even as in times of old, according to the combinations of the devil,” (2 Nephi 26: 14 & 22)

And in the Books of Helaman and 3 Nephi one can read how secret combinations conspired to obtain wealth and control of government.

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It helps me to remember that we sustain the 15 as prophets, seers and revelators. They are SEERS. They are not necessarily TALKERS. Prophecies we have plenty of already. The truth has been revealed. In order to hear more of what they see, I think we must first act on what they have already given us...like the Book of Mormon, like talks by previous General Authorities.

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The most common excuse I get for inaction by LDSs is the 15 are not saying anything about these things. The next most common excuse is that there are higher priorities. I remember Ezra Taft Benson specifically refuting the second argument, but that was years ago. The third argument is that the subject causes contention among members. And I'll add that it also causes distress as people start thinking about how much trouble we all are in now.

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lundbaek wrote: April 10th, 2017, 2:32 pm The most common excuse I get for inaction by LDSs is the 15 are not saying anything about these things. The next most common excuse is that there are higher priorities. I remember Ezra Taft Benson specifically refuting the second argument, but that was years ago. The third argument is that the subject causes contention among members. And I'll add that it also causes distress as people start thinking about how much trouble we all are in now.

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