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Re: Cry for Venezuela

Postby Silver » Mon Apr 24, 2017 2:18 pm

Sounds like warmongers in Washington, DC, looking for another excuse to go kill brown people to me.

Our national interests, for some reason, always trump the right to life of those who were leading innocent lives until our drone caught up with them.
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Re: Cry for Venezuela

Postby Spaced_Out » Tue Apr 25, 2017 12:21 am

DesertWonderer wrote:
Mon Apr 24, 2017 1:46 pm
It just got worse :(
http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nation- ... 95469.html
A downward spiral that does not only affect the country but can have global ramifications.

More riots breaking out in my home country South Africa, shops looted trucks burning. The buggers set one truck on fire that has 40,000 live chicks - most of then got torched.
https://southafricatoday.net/media/sout ... 017-video/

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Re: Cry for Venezuela

Postby Silver » Fri May 12, 2017 8:43 am

I called Church HQ again and spoke with the person in charge of charitable activity in Venezuela. They are still handcuffed on providing meaningful relief down there. The sister on the phone told me of members that have moved out of Venezuela to neighboring countries. Even those individuals can't get across the border with much.

I offered to send funds to a stake president there, but she counseled me against it because the banking system is not secure. There is no guarantee that anyone can get the funds once they arrive. Why haven't the people overthrown that unrighteous government? The soldiers are the sons of the people most affected. Why isn't there an uprising using the weapons in the hands of the young men who know their parents are suffering?
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Re: Cry for Venezuela

Postby DesertWonderer » Fri May 12, 2017 9:51 am

Silver wrote:
Fri May 12, 2017 8:43 am
I called Church HQ again and spoke with the person in charge of charitable activity in Venezuela. They are still handcuffed on providing meaningful relief down there. The sister on the phone told me of members that have moved out of Venezuela to neighboring countries. Even those individuals can't get across the border with much.

I offered to send funds to a stake president there, but she counseled me against it because the banking system is not secure. There is no guarantee that anyone can get the funds once they arrive. Why haven't the people overthrown that unrighteous government? The soldiers are the sons of the people most affected. Why isn't there an uprising using the weapons in the hands of the young men who know their parents are suffering?
Why? b/c it's a socialist country in which most weapons have been confiscated.

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Re: Cry for Venezuela

Postby gclayjr » Fri May 12, 2017 12:08 pm

Silver,
I called Church HQ again and spoke with the person in charge of charitable activity in Venezuela. They are still handcuffed on providing meaningful relief down there. The sister on the phone told me of members that have moved out of Venezuela to neighboring countries. Even those individuals can't get across the border with much.

I offered to send funds to a stake president there, but she counseled me against it because the banking system is not secure. There is no guarantee that anyone can get the funds once they arrive.
Thanks for that update. I have looked, although not as diligently as you have, for opportunities to send some money or relief to those poor desperate people. Isn't the idea of a socialist government to "look out for the poor"?, I can't believe even that the most totalitarian dictator would not be willing to let people GIVE the poor in his land Food, and money!

Let them starve, rather than let the Capitalist pigs show charity and give the starving people food and money?

Can't get much more evil than that!



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Re: Cry for Venezuela

Postby lundbaek » Fri May 12, 2017 6:45 pm

In his book THE NAKED CAPITALIST, on pg. 3, Dr. W. Cleon Skousen wrote: "Wherever I had friend who knew the inside story In Latin America political circles, they verified the fact that the massive swing to the Left in Central and South America was being financed by certain American banks."

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Re: Cry for Venezuela

Postby Silver » Fri May 12, 2017 9:35 pm

This is what I was talking about although the whole article merits your attention.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-1 ... ping-point

Pressures Closing in on Maduro
Meanwhile, Maduro could face other threats as he tries to cling to power. For one, it is critical for him to ensure the military’s support. However, as the economic misery widens, it also affects the families of members of the military, Burke-White noted. “It is much harder to maintain a military-based regime when you have to point your guns at your own people,” he said. “Maduro realizes that that’s the support base he can’t let slip, and if it does slip, it could well be the end of his regime.” Kronick noted that a popular chant during protests translates from Spanish to English as: “Soldier, listen. Join the protest, join the fight.”
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Re: Cry for Venezuela

Postby gclayjr » Sat May 13, 2017 6:11 am

Silver,

Since I know you have been following this even more closely than I have, I'm sure you know that replacing this evil corrupt government with a government directed by any or all of the opposition parties, is probably not much better. While we are both "free market" capitalist in our economic thinking, and believers in a limited constitutional republican form of government. where a constitution limits the excesses of popular will, I see no way to get there from here in Venezuela. In spite of all of this misery, the people still don't "get it"

So sadly, no matter what happens between the Government and the opposition, Venezuelans are still in for endless misery with no solution in sight!

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Re: Cry for Venezuela

Postby Older/wiser? » Sat May 13, 2017 10:59 pm

Does anyone know how the Venezuelan saints are fairing, I know we can't send anything (gov. Blocks) I wonder if the saints took the counsel given over the years to "prepare, put aside etc." I realize they have less resources than we do, it would be interesting to sit in their sacrament meetings and hopefully here faith promoting testimonies. They are living our future magnified 3x now that is a warning.

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Re: Cry for Venezuela

Postby Silver » Sun May 14, 2017 6:36 am

I don't know how tight immigration laws are in Colombia or Brazil, for example, but the borders are somewhat porous along portions of their shared boundaries with Venezuela. I'm hoping that there is considerable cross-border smuggling (a nasty government word applied to items to which the greedy agents don't get to apply a burdensome tax) to help with the flow of life-sustaining supplies.
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Re: Cry for Venezuela

Postby Michelle » Sun May 14, 2017 12:40 pm

It is my understanding that Venezuela before Chavez was actually really prosperous. Much like the US. That is what worries me most about Venezuela, this was a totally avoidable problem, which means the US could easily fall into the same trap if we are not vigilant about opposing socialism.

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Re: Cry for Venezuela

Postby gclayjr » Sun May 14, 2017 4:07 pm

Michelle,

Venezuela, before Chavez was very prosperous, particularly for a Latin American country. However, most of the people were not. I worked in Caracas during the early 80s. The Caracas Airport is close to the sea, and you have to drive through a mountain pass to get to Caracas. On the hillsides leading into Caracas, were massive amounts of squalid homemade shacks (that often slid down the mountain killing its residents when there was a storm). Even inside of Caracas were huge, squalid slums. Those who were either part of the tiny Middle Class or the wealthy had to live behind tall fences and walls with broken glass or barbed wire on top to protect themselves from intruders.

One of the problems with most of Latin America, including Venezuela, is that you have a very few very rich people and huge quantities of viciously poor people. That is one reason why the siren song of Communism/Socialism has such a strong appeal there. I believe that this very horrible division of wealth, hearkens back to how most of Latin America was colonized. Here in the U.S., we were primarily populated with people escaping Europe, often as families. looking for a better place to live. Latin America was mostly populated by mercenaries primarily looking to take riches, such as gold and gems, to send back to the motherland, to fill their coffers, and become rich. That is one reason why there is such a mestizo or mixed blood population. These mercenaries often either had no families, or left them back in Europe, and saw the native women as simply bodies to keep them warm and satisfied. These conquering mercenaries appropriated vast estates, and the native and mixed population suffered in servitude.

Being an oil based economy, made this even worse (as it is in most oil based economies). In our world, oil is basically free money that requires little effort to earn. This means that the population isn't required to do much to get the money, and the rich and powerful, can expropriate it as long as they throw enough crumbs to the masses to keep them calm. So you can see the promise of "Chavismo" or Venezuelan Socialist has very strong appeal. It promises to bring justice and make right a horribly unfair system, that traps millions in poverty. However, with Chavismo, like other socialist systems, Socialism doesn't make everybody better off, via a more equitable of fair redistribution of the nations wealth. The thing that Chismo has proven, is that no matter what a hell hole your life is under some non socialist system, socialism can make it more miserable and worse.

One reason that Venezuela has been so compliant in enduring the ever worsening economic destruction of Chavismo, is that what they had before was also pretty bad. This is also another reason to cry for Venezuela. While it is natural to think that a government that might be created from those opposing forces that are trying to shed the shackles of Chavismo Socialism,will make things better. The fact of the matter, there is no clear indication that they have any clear idea what to do, other than overthrown Maduro, to fix the mess that Venezuela has become. So while it is nice to see a hope for a better life once Maduro be overthrown, it is highly unlikely.

So maybe not only cry for Venezuela, but pray for her too.

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Re: Cry for Venezuela

Postby DesertWonderer » Wed May 17, 2017 10:13 am

From the perspective of the riot police--they're may not be riot police much longer.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/riot-polic ... 1495013403

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Re: Cry for Venezuela

Postby Spaced_Out » Thu May 18, 2017 6:53 pm

Venezuela is now in a death spiral of no return.

Venezuela's Oil Production On The Brink Of Collapse
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-05-1 ... k-collapse

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Re: Cry for Venezuela

Postby sushi_chef » Wed May 31, 2017 6:23 pm

"Venezuela’s Socialist Disaster is Being Financed by Goldman Sachs

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The people in Venezuela are starving while the leaders continue to get richer and richer. That is exactly how it would have been here in the U.S. if Obama would have gotten his way. He had all the executive orders in place to remove our freedoms and force us to become like slaves to him but he ran out of time. If hillary the hag would have won the election it would have just continued with Obama actually calling the shots since he couldn't have run for a third term. Mr. Trump stopped all that!

....financing the all-but-failed democratic socialist nation.

The president of Venezuela’s opposition-run Congress on Monday accused Wall Street investment bank Goldman Sachs of “aiding and abetting the country’s dictatorial regime” following a report that it had bought $2.8 billion in bonds from the cash-strapped tyrannical country. The Wall Street Journal on Sunday said Goldman paid 31 cents on the dollar for bonds issued by state oil company PDVSA....

Follow the money because it will always lead you to the truth. Goldman Sachs is a long-time ally of socialists regimes and the politicians (like Hillary Clinton) who prop them up. The more government control a nation exerts on its people, the easier it is for the wealthy corporations and banks to rule the government.
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http://www.thedailysheeple.com/venezuel ... chs_052017
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Re: Cry for Venezuela

Postby Silver » Fri Aug 25, 2017 9:34 am

Who would have imagined that the United States Treasury has this kind of power:

"The sanctions ban dealing in any new debt (or equity) issue by PDVSA and all Venezuelan government debt.

From Treasury:

All transactions related to, provision of financing for, and other dealings in the following by a United States person or within the United States are prohibited:

(i) new debt with a maturity of greater than 90 days of Petroleos de Venezuela, S.A. (PdVSA);
(ii) new debt with a maturity of greater than 30 days, or new equity, of the Government of Venezuela, other than debt of PdVSA covered by subsection (a)(i) of this section;
(iii) bonds issued by the Government of Venezuela prior to the effective date of this order;
(iv) dividend payments or other distributions of profits to the Government of Venezuela from any entity owned or controlled, directly or indirectly, by the Government of Venezuela." (close quote)

The guys in Washington are so corrupt that they think they have the right to tell a sovereign foreigner who happens to be in the US that they can't buy a note from the sovereign country of Venezuela. Oh yeah, I can feel liberty grow every time the Republicans get elected.
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Re: Cry for Venezuela

Postby Silver » Wed Oct 11, 2017 6:40 am

Cry some more for Venezuela. And America, the pretend land of the free is imposing sanctions on that poor country that only hurts the commoners.

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-10-1 ... t-10439980

Venezuela's Grim Reaper: A Current Inflation Measurement

by Steve H. Hanke
Oct 10, 2017 4:49 PM

Authored by Steve H. Hanke of the Johns Hopkins University. Follow him on Twitter @Steve_Hanke.

The Grim Reaper has taken his scythe to the Venezuelan bolivar. The death of the bolivar is depicted in the following chart. A bolivar is worthless, and with its collapse, Venezuela is witnessing the world’s worst inflation.
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As the bolivar collapsed and inflation accelerated, the Banco Central de Venezuela (BCV) became an unreliable source of inflation data. Indeed, from December 2014 until January 2016, the BCV did not report inflation statistics. Then, the BCV pulled a rabbit out of its hat in January 2016 and reported a phony annual inflation rate for the third quarter of 2015. So, the last official inflation data reported by the BCV is almost two years old. To remedy this problem, the Johns Hopkins – Cato Institute Troubled Currencies Project, which I direct, began to measure Venezuela’s inflation in 2013.

The most important price in an economy is the exchange rate between the local currency and the world’s reserve currency — the U.S. dollar. As long as there is an active black market (read: free market) for currency and the black market data are available, changes in the black market exchange rate can be reliably transformed into accurate estimates of countrywide inflation rates. The economic principle of Purchasing Power Parity (PPP) allows for this transformation.

I compute the implied annual inflation rate on a daily basis by using PPP to translate changes in the VEF/USD exchange rate into an annual inflation rate. The chart below shows the course of that annual rate, which last peaked at 2662.03% (yr/yr) in the beginning of October 2017. At present, Venezuela’s annual inflation rate is 2385.76%, the highest in the world (see the chart below).
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