Evil ISLAM. Isil, IS, Isis, Daesh.

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Evil ISLAM. Isil, IS, Isis, Daesh.

Postby Elizabeth » Thu Jan 22, 2015 12:19 pm

Visit the link to watch the first hand videos smuggled out of the slaughterhouses:

http://eaglerising.com/14192/ex-muslim- ... c-nations/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"This may be one of the most disgusting things I’ve ever had to report on. The intrepid and brave Walid and Theodore Shoebat are reporting on a story out of Albania that has been breaking over the last couple of months. Muslim Albanians in Kosovo are apparently kidnapping Christians in an effort to harvest and sell their organs before killing them.
A Serbian Christian and former Special Forces officer tipped them off to the insidious story.
“They abduct people in Kosovo, Serbian people — in some cases Albanian people — and they take their organs… they torture the people and take their organs while they are still live.” He also said that the victims are usually, “Christians serbs, young women, and men, and also children.”
While the story may seem unbelievable – this isn’t the first reporting being done on the terrifying subject. A documentary produced in Germany also told the story of Albanian terrorists victimising Christian Serbs to sell their organs.
Even with multiple accounts and other international outlets corroborating these stories, the Shoebat’s have faced criticism and disbelief.
Yet when Shoebat.com was the first to report on the human slaughterhouses in Syria, in which we obtained one man’s account who gave much detail on the operation regarding Christians and Shiites who were also slaughtered and mutilated. People still questioned it, until of course we obtained original source accounts with extremely troubling footage to back up one man’s testimony and it all checked out…
Shoebat.com also reported on how Syrian Muslims would put their children into rape sessions for money and sell their organs.
We also reported on how the Muslim jihadists in Syria take Christians, drain their blood, and sell vials of blood for $100,000 each to Saudi Arabia because the Arab Muslims have a demonic superstition that if they wash their hands with Christian blood they can obtain salvation.
We also reported on Islamic cannibalism and so many doubted until of course the truth came out on film when a terrorist ate a human heart and when we showed translated footage on Al-Nas, an Egyptian major media which sanctioned the practice.
We deal with rescuing Christians and being at the tip of the spear we hear of horrific stories. Folks who do not deal with evil and see it first hand have a tendency not to believe until they are in the midst of it. There is such a thing as pure evil, dark, remorseless and hideously ugly.
And instead of trusting our reports, the world still accused us, not the evil ones who perpetrated such evil.
The Shoebat’s have worked hard to uncover the hidden violence of Islamic terrorism – the evil that even the terrorists don’t yet want the world to see – and for their efforts they are scorned by the mainstream media. While the violence and depravity that they have reported on may seem… impossibly evil… it is of vital importance that we understand, it is REALLY HAPPENING.
It is our duty to tell the world about the atrocities being committed in the name of Islam. The many thousands of victims deserve justice, but even more, they deserve to be remembered."
http://eaglerising.com/14192/ex-muslim- ... tGlfUeG.99" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


"The jihadist group which controls large swathes of territory in Syria and Iraq is sometimes referred to by different names by English-speaking governments and media.
When talking about the group - which has also spawned affiliates elsewhere in the Middle East, Africa and Asia - UN and US officials generally use the acronym "Isil", the acronym of "Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant".
The group itself has not used that name since June 2014 when it declared the creation a caliphate and shortened its name to "Islamic State" (IS) to reflect its expansionist ambitions.
Since then, BBC News has been using that term, but qualifying it as "Islamic State group" or "self-styled Islamic State" and shortening it to "IS" on subsequent mentions.
Other media have continued to use "Isil" or "Isis", which is based on the other widely used translations of the group's former name - "Islamic State in Iraq and Syria" or "Islamic State in Iraq and al-Sham”.
But the term "Daesh" (or Da'ish) has also gained currency, both in the Middle East and further afield, and has been used as a way of challenging the legitimacy of the group due to the negative connotations of the word.
Daesh is essentially an Arabic acronym formed from the initial letters of the group's previous name in Arabic - "al-Dawla al-Islamiya fil Iraq wa al-Sham". Although it does not mean anything as a word in Arabic, it sounds unpleasant and the group's supporters object to its use.
Daesh also sounds similar to an Arabic verb that means to tread underfoot, trample down, or crush something.
IS, Isil and Isis
The root of the Isil-Isis inconsistency lies in the Arabic word "al-Sham".
At first, news outlets were unsure how to translate it into English, as it was not immediately clear what the group was actually referring to.
Al-Sham can be translated variously as "the Levant", "Greater Syria", "Syria" or even "Damascus".
The term al-Sham was commonly used during the rule of the Muslim Caliphs from the 7th Century to describe the area between the Mediterranean and the Euphrates, Anatolia (in present day Turkey) and Egypt.
It was used until the first half of the 20th Century, when Britain and France drew the new borders of the Middle East and created nation states.
The term "Levant" had for centuries been used by English speakers to describe the eastern part of the Mediterranean, with its islands and the countries adjoining.
After World War One, the colonial powers understood it to be the area comprising what is now Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, Israel, the Palestinian Territories and part of south-eastern Turkey.
However, the term's colonial association means it would be unlikely to be endorsed by the jihadists. They would also probably object to using just "Syria", as it suggests their aspirations are limited to the modern state's borders. Various experts have therefore said that the word al-Sham should not be translated.
Daesh
In the Arabic-speaking world, where the use of acronyms is otherwise uncommon, Daesh is used widely but with pejorative overtones.
The label has gained currency despite or perhaps as a direct consequence of the irritation it causes the group, and is now used widely across the world by politicians and in the media.
"Frankly, this evil death cult is neither a true representation of Islam, nor is it a state," UK Prime Minister David Cameron told Parliament in December 2015 when announcing that his government would be joining France in calling the group "Daesh" rather than "Isil”.”
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Re: Evil ISLAM.

Postby Elizabeth » Thu Jan 22, 2015 11:38 pm

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http://freebeacon.com/national-security" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false; ... uke-talks/
January 21, 2015

"The Obama administration on Wednesday paid $490 million in cash assets to Iran and will have released a total of $11.9 billion to the Islamic Republic by the time nuclear talks are scheduled to end in June, according to figures provided by the State Department.
Today’s $490 million release, the third such payment of this amount since Dec. 10, was agreed to by the Obama administration under the parameters of another extension in negotiations over Tehran’s contested nuclear program that was inked in November.
Iran will receive a total of $4.9 billion in unfrozen cash assets via 10 separate payments by the United States through June 22, when talks with Iran are scheduled to end with a final agreement aimed at curbing the country’s nuclear work, according to a State Department official.
Iran received $4.2 billion in similar payments under the 2013 interim agreement with the United States and was then given another $2.8 billion by the Obama administration last year in a bid to keep Iran committed to the talks through November, when negotiators parted ways without reaching an agreement.
Iran will have received a total of $11.9 billion in cash assets by the end of June if current releases continue on pace as scheduled.
The release of this money has drawn outrage from some Republican lawmakers who filed legislation last year to prevent the release of cash due to a lack of restrictions on how Iran can spend the money.
These cash payments by the United States have been made with no strings attached, prompting concerns that Iran could use the funds to finance its worldwide terror operations, which include the financial backing of Hamas, Hezbollah, and other rogue entities.
Senators—including Mark Kirk (R., Ill.), Kelly Ayotte (R., N.H.), and John Cornyn (R., Texas)—sought last year to put a hold on the cash infusions until the White House could certify that Iran was not using the money to support terrorism.
Kirk, who is preparing to offer legislation that would tighten sanctions on Iran, said that the ongoing payments could help Iran fuel its terror empire well into the near future.
“Between November 2014 and July 2015, the interim deal’s direct forms of sanctions relief will allow Iran access to roughly $4.9 billion in frozen money,” Kirk told the Washington Free Beacon “That’s equal to what it’d cost Iran to fund Hezbollah for as much as 50 years.”
The Pentagon estimates Iran has spent $100 to $200 million per year funding Hezbollah.
Entities likely to receive support from Iran include the Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) and the regime of President Bashar al-Assad of Syria, the legislation suggests.
When final negotiations between the United States and Iran failed in November, negotiators decided once more to extend the talks through June of this year. The terms of that extension granted Iran the 10 payments of $490 million, a State Department official said.
“With respect to sanctions relief, the United States will enable the repatriation of $4.9 billion of Iranian revenue held abroad during the extension,” the official said.
The first two payments were made in December, followed by Wednesday’s payment.
The next release is scheduled for Feb. 11, with two more scheduled for March. The rest of the frozen cash assets will be given back to Iran on April 15, May 6, May 27, and June 22, respectively.
Mark Dubowitz, the executive director of the Foundation for Defense of Democracies (FDD), said the ongoing release of these assets has provided Iran with a critical “financial lifeline.”
“The Obama administration provided Iran with a financial lifeline through both direct sanctions relief and the de-escalation of sanctions pressure that helped the regime stabilize its economy after a severe sanctions-induced economic crisis in 2012 and 2013,” Dubowitz said. “It is not a surprise that this has increased Iranian negotiating leverage and hardened the supreme leader’s nuclear intransigence.”
In addition to decrying the lack of restrictions in place to ensure that Iran does not use the released funds to sponsor terrorism, critics of the sanctions relief protest that Iran is benefitting while the United States receives little in return.
Iran has continued to enrich uranium under the interim deal, adding what one critic, Rep. Brad Sherman (D., Calif.) referred to as “about one bomb’s worth” to its reserves.
Iran also has continued to make advances on the plutonium track, which provides it with a second path to a nuclear bomb.
President Hassan Rouhani of Iran announced last week that the country has begun constructing two new light water nuclear reactors, a move that the U.S. State Department said is permissible under the terms of the interim agreement.”
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Re: Evil ISLAM.

Postby mhewett » Fri Jan 23, 2015 12:23 am

Sweet&Noble wrote:Visit the link to watch the first hand videos smuggled out of the slaughterhouses:

http://eaglerising.com/14192/ex-muslim- ... c-nations/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"This may be one of the most disgusting things I’ve ever had to report on. The intrepid and brave Walid and Theodore Shoebat are reporting on a story out of Albania that has been breaking over the last couple of months. Muslim Albanians in Kosovo are apparently kidnapping Christians in an effort to harvest and sell their organs before killing them.
A Serbian Christian and former Special Forces officer tipped them off to the insidious story.
“They abduct people in Kosovo, Serbian people — in some cases Albanian people — and they take their organs… they torture the people and take their organs while they are still live.” He also said that the victims are usually, “Christians serbs, young women, and men, and also children.”
While the story may seem unbelievable – this isn’t the first reporting being done on the terrifying subject. A documentary produced in Germany also told the story of Albanian terrorists victimising Christian Serbs to sell their organs.
Even with multiple accounts and other international outlets corroborating these stories, the Shoebat’s have faced criticism and disbelief.
Yet when Shoebat.com was the first to report on the human slaughterhouses in Syria, in which we obtained one man’s account who gave much detail on the operation regarding Christians and Shiites who were also slaughtered and mutilated. People still questioned it, until of course we obtained original source accounts with extremely troubling footage to back up one man’s testimony and it all checked out…
Shoebat.com also reported on how Syrian Muslims would put their children into rape sessions for money and sell their organs.
We also reported on how the Muslim jihadists in Syria take Christians, drain their blood, and sell vials of blood for $100,000 each to Saudi Arabia because the Arab Muslims have a demonic superstition that if they wash their hands with Christian blood they can obtain salvation.
We also reported on Islamic cannibalism and so many doubted until of course the truth came out on film when a terrorist ate a human heart and when we showed translated footage on Al-Nas, an Egyptian major media which sanctioned the practice.
We deal with rescuing Christians and being at the tip of the spear we hear of horrific stories. Folks who do not deal with evil and see it first hand have a tendency not to believe until they are in the midst of it. There is such a thing as pure evil, dark, remorseless and hideously ugly.
And instead of trusting our reports, the world still accused us, not the evil ones who perpetrated such evil.
The Shoebat’s have worked hard to uncover the hidden violence of Islamic terrorism – the evil that even the terrorists don’t yet want the world to see – and for their efforts they are scorned by the mainstream media. While the violence and depravity that they have reported on may seem… impossibly evil… it is of vital importance that we understand, it is REALLY HAPPENING.
It is our duty to tell the world about the atrocities being committed in the name of Islam. The many thousands of victims deserve justice, but even more, they deserve to be remembered."
http://eaglerising.com/14192/ex-muslim- ... tGlfUeG.99" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Well they have to do something with all of the people they are killing, they have to finance their operation somehow.
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Re: Evil ISLAM.

Postby samizdat » Fri Feb 06, 2015 2:36 pm

Here is where I agree with Obama:

There have been MANY BAD THINGS done in the name of religion. Be it Islam, Christianity, Judaism, heck even there have been members of our Church who have done bad things in the name of religion (Mountain Meadows, anyone?)

The pilot who was burned, was also Muslim.

Many of the people who ISIS have slaughtered, have been Muslims who do not agree with ISIS's stance.

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Postby samizdat » Fri Feb 06, 2015 2:36 pm

The Church even has members in areas with Muslim presence. Turkey, once a center of Islamic learning, has missionaries inside preaching the gospel in four branches.

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Postby KMCopeland » Thu Feb 12, 2015 1:08 pm

Tread softly. You're a member of a religion that some people think is an evil cult. Wonder why that doesn't make you a little more reluctant to go on a mission to "prove" someone else's is.
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Re: Evil ISLAM.

Postby Elizabeth » Mon Feb 23, 2015 5:32 am

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"Victims of ISIS Describe the Terrorists’ Systematic Genocide of Christians and Other Minorities
Recently the world was shocked by a video showing ISIS fighters beheading a group of 21 Egyptian Coptic Christian men in Libya. But observers of ISIS know this is simply a continuation of the ongoing slaughter. Since the invasion of Iraq by the Islamic state, Christians, Yezidis and other minority populations have been systematically targeted by ISIS, to a degree the victims are calling genocide.
IJReview reports:
Disturbed by the reports of ISIS trying to snuff out the flames of Christianity in Iraq, former Congressman Frank R. Wolf co-founded the 21st Century Wilberforce Initiative. The Wilberforce vision states:
“There has never been a greater need both in history and scope. The rise of ISIS, the declining freedom of speech and communication globally, and the sheer number of religious prisoners around the world pose a critical threat to all of humanity. 21st Century Wilberforce wants to awaken the church to these atrocities and stir Christians and other religious groups to action.”
Wilberforce is taking action to bring to light the importance of stopping Iraq’s minorities from being targeted for extinction.
In the last decade, the Christian community has plummeted from approximately 1.5 million to 300,000. A group of leading Christian religious leaders representing thousands of adherents lamented:
“This is not just the end of Christianity but the end of our ethnicity who have lived here for thousands of years. We believe this is genocide.
“…We do not have opportunities for education. We do not have opportunities for work. We do not have opportunities for healthcare. What is left for us?”
To help the world get a better understanding about the severity of the situation, Wolf and Wilberforce’s president Randall Everett both traveled to Iraq in late January. Their mission is to show how ISIS is doing more than just murder – how they’re committing genocide.
…When ISIS took over large territories in Iraq, they became infamous for butchering minorities who refused to convert to radical Islam.
…According to Wilberforce’s findings, after ISIS kidnaps women, they separate them by eye color. Then, the terrorists are able to choose which bride or sex slave they want.
Showing just how little the Islamic State values respect for a women or their rights, virgins are reportedly sold for around twenty dollars.
Despite the presence of ISIS in their cities, many Christians remained defiant towards their captors. A Christian woman with breast cancer tried to receive treatment at a hospital in Mosul, but was met at the door by an armed jihadist. He told her the only way in which she could receive treatment was to convert to Islam.
The woman’s now widowed husband shared how the wife responded. She said:
“I am not going to leave the cross of Christ. I will not abandon it. For me, a love of life is not as important as the faith. The desire to go on living is not as important as my faith.”
Wilberforce hopes to bring the plight of these threatened minorities to the attention of the West, by whom they feel abandoned. The Middle East is the cradle of Christendom, and yet few Western Christians know what is happening there."
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Postby KMCopeland » Mon Feb 23, 2015 4:25 pm

Islam isn't any more evil than Christianity is. Bloodthirsty killers who claim their killing is an expression of their Muslim faith -- they are evil. Cold blooded murderers like the guy who killed the abortion doctor in Kansas, who claims he was excercising his Christian faith by committing murder -- he was evil too.

I don't understand what purpose you think you serve by insisting Islam is evil.
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Postby samizdat » Tue Feb 24, 2015 1:53 pm

I don't get it either KMCopeland. Lots of bad things have been done in the name of religion. The first 9/11 had nothing to do with the Muslims. It had quite a bit to do with Mormons.

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Postby KMCopeland » Tue Feb 24, 2015 4:21 pm

samizdat wrote:I don't get it either KMCopeland. Lots of bad things have been done in the name of religion. The first 9/11 had nothing to do with the Muslims. It had quite a bit to do with Mormons.
The Muslimness of the perpetrators of 9/11 can't be ignored. The millions of Muslims around the world who would never hurt a fly, much less another human being because it's against their religion, can't be ignored either. You do the math,
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Postby Elizabeth » Wed Feb 25, 2015 11:42 pm

"Sydney terror plot suspect Omarjan Azari has been refused bail after a court heard he was urged to “pick a random unbeliever” and execute them with an Islamic State flag as a backdrop. Mr Azari, 22, was arrested during a series of early morning counter-terrorism raids in Sydney’s west in September. He is accused of plotting with the Australia’s highest ranking ISIL member Mohammad Ali Baryalei to execute a member of the public as part of a domestic terrorism plot. He is also facing allegations of making funds available to a terrorist organisation, which were laid against him on the day of the Lindt Cafe siege.

In opposition to his bail, police alleged Baraylei, Australia’s top ranking ISIL convert, urged Azari to pick a random person off the street and execute them as part of a domestic terror campaign. “What you… need to do is pick any random unbeliever,” police allege Baraylei told Mr Azari during a phone call. “Finish him, finish her… put the flag of the state behind in the background.” Mr Azari allegedly responded “yeah”, the police prosecution told the court. The attack would serve as a message that ISIL would kill Australians “one by one”, they have alleged. The court earlier heard Baraylei had considered a backpacker or foreign tourist as the best possible victim because the murder would have international repercussions.”

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Postby samizdat » Thu Feb 26, 2015 11:35 am

Those of us who are American citizens stand solidly with the president of our nation. The terrible forces of evil must be confronted and held accountable for their actions. This is not a matter of Christian against Muslim. I am pleased that food is being dropped to the hungry people of a targeted nation. We value our Muslim neighbors across the world and hope that those who live by the tenets of their faith will not suffer. I ask particularly that our own people do not become a party in any way to the persecution of the innocent. Rather, let us be friendly and helpful, protective and supportive. It is the terrorist organizations that must be ferreted out and brought down.

We of this Church know something of such groups. The Book of Mormon speaks of the Gadianton robbers, a vicious, oath-bound, and secret organization bent on evil and destruction. In their day they did all in their power, by whatever means available, to bring down the Church, to woo the people with sophistry, and to take control of the society. We see the same thing in the present situation.

We are people of peace. We are followers of the Christ who was and is the Prince of Peace. But there are times when we must stand up for right and decency, for freedom and civilization, just as Moroni rallied his people in his day to the defense of their wives, their children, and the cause of liberty (see Alma 48:10).

On the Larry King television broadcast the other night, I was asked what I think of those who, in the name of their religion, carry out such infamous activities. I replied, “Religion offers no shield for wickedness, for evil, for those kinds of things. The God in whom I believe does not foster this kind of action. He is a God of mercy. He is a God of love. He is a God of peace and reassurance, and I look to Him in times such as this as a comfort and a source of strength.”

GORDON B. HINCKLEY, THE TIMES IN WHICH WE LIVE OCTOBER 2001 GC

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Postby samizdat » Thu Feb 26, 2015 11:38 am

We believe that “the great religious leaders of the world such as Mohammed, Confucius, and the Reformers, as well as philosophers including Socrates, Plato, and others, received a portion of God’s light. Moral truths were given to them by God to enlighten whole nations and to bring a higher level of understanding to individuals.”2

It is not a coincidence that the world’s great religions come together at Temple Hill in modern-day Jerusalem. Known now as the Place of the Rock, it is a religious shrine for Islam, for Christianity, and for Judaism. All three great religions hold ties to this place. All three, likewise, have a common thread in a tradition that Elijah the prophet would return.3

Knit together by world history and by Old Testament history and doctrine, the Church and the Islamic world can see each other as People of the Book, indeed Family of the Book.

Church members and Muslims share similar high standards of decency, temperance, and morality. We have so much in common. As societal morality and behavior decline in an increasingly permissive world, the Church and many within Islam increasingly share natural affinities.

Muslim scholars point out that the Quran does not restrict Paradise to Muslims. The Quran rewards all those of faith who perform righteousness and believe in the after-life. The Book calls Jesus Christ Messiah, Son of Mary, and by the names Messenger, Prophet, Servant, Word, and Spirit of God.4

It is important that we in the West understand there is a battle for the heart, soul, and direction of Islam and that not all Islam espouses violent jihad, as some Western media portray.

It is as well important that friends in the Islamic world understand there is a battle for the heart, soul, and direction of the Western world and that not all the West is morally decadent, as some Islamic media portray.

Several years ago, I was invited to speak at a convention of insurance executives in Vail, Colorado. On the way, we crossed the Colorado River.

We could see a new bridge in process of construction. It was an engineering marvel. Anchored to the sheer stone walls on both sides was an abutment for the bridge. Launching out into space from that abutment, reaching out for the other side, were sections of steel girders. When they met and were locked together in the middle 1,000 feet above the Colorado River, each would give strength to the other, and that bridge would be locked together over which traffic of all kinds could flow back and forth safely and conveniently.

Alwi, a devout Muslim of Arabic ancestry, and I, a Christian and devout Mormon, have agreed to symbolically walk arm in arm into the future. Together we hope to build a bridge. Except what that symbolizes is accomplished, all of us face a very dark and very dangerous future.

Now I introduce Dr. Alwi Shihab with a title which I borrow from another venerable Islamic leader and cleric (whom we both know and love), Abdurrahman Wahid, former president of Indonesia—Gus Dur. I apply that title to you, Alwi. You know that by interpretation it means “Dear Friend.”

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Re: Evil ISLAM.

Postby Elizabeth » Thu Feb 26, 2015 2:51 pm

The Islamic State executioner was today named as Mohammed Emwazi, a university graduate from London.
Jihadi John has featured in the execution videos of British aid workers Alan Henning and David Haines, U.S. journalists James Foley and Steven Sotloff, Japanese reporter Kenji Goto and Syrian soldiers.
The 26-year-old, who studied computer programming at the University of Westminster, flew to Tanzania with two friends after he graduated from the University of Westminster claiming he was going on safari, travelled to the Middle East three years ago and later joined ISIS.
The British citizen, was born in Kuwait and moved to the UK aged six, son of a mini-cab driver,
He has three brothers and sisters and they all lived in a council flat in west London.
One neighbour, described the family as 'strange people - not like other people around here'.Another said: "They do not mix with us or socialise, or talk to us. Ever since they moved in a while ago they do not say anything to us.”

The man at the centre of a network that influenced the ISIS executioner identified as ‘Jihadi John' was allowed to fly in and out of London to terrorism hot spots unchecked for almost three years. Bilal al-Berjawi passed through UK Border Control at least five times between 2006 and 2009 as he travelled between London and African terror cells. Over that period he was rising to prominence as a senior member of Al Shabaab, the Al Qaeda-linked group in Somalia - returning to the UK only to raise funds and to marry. Al Berjawi became the driving force behind the radicalisation of 26-year-old Mohammed Emwazi, using his growing stature within the terror group to radicalise homegrown extremists.
Originally from Lebanon, Berjawi first joined militants in Somalia in 2006 and then returned to Britain in 2007 on a fundraising venture.

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Re: Evil ISLAM.

Postby Sirocco » Thu Feb 26, 2015 3:12 pm

samizdat wrote:We believe that “the great religious leaders of the world such as Mohammed, Confucius, and the Reformers, as well as philosophers including Socrates, Plato, and others, received a portion of God’s light. Moral truths were given to them by God to enlighten whole nations and to bring a higher level of understanding to individuals.”2

It is not a coincidence that the world’s great religions come together at Temple Hill in modern-day Jerusalem. Known now as the Place of the Rock, it is a religious shrine for Islam, for Christianity, and for Judaism. All three great religions hold ties to this place. All three, likewise, have a common thread in a tradition that Elijah the prophet would return.3

Knit together by world history and by Old Testament history and doctrine, the Church and the Islamic world can see each other as People of the Book, indeed Family of the Book.

Church members and Muslims share similar high standards of decency, temperance, and morality. We have so much in common. As societal morality and behavior decline in an increasingly permissive world, the Church and many within Islam increasingly share natural affinities.

Muslim scholars point out that the Quran does not restrict Paradise to Muslims. The Quran rewards all those of faith who perform righteousness and believe in the after-life. The Book calls Jesus Christ Messiah, Son of Mary, and by the names Messenger, Prophet, Servant, Word, and Spirit of God.4

It is important that we in the West understand there is a battle for the heart, soul, and direction of Islam and that not all Islam espouses violent jihad, as some Western media portray.

It is as well important that friends in the Islamic world understand there is a battle for the heart, soul, and direction of the Western world and that not all the West is morally decadent, as some Islamic media portray.

Several years ago, I was invited to speak at a convention of insurance executives in Vail, Colorado. On the way, we crossed the Colorado River.

We could see a new bridge in process of construction. It was an engineering marvel. Anchored to the sheer stone walls on both sides was an abutment for the bridge. Launching out into space from that abutment, reaching out for the other side, were sections of steel girders. When they met and were locked together in the middle 1,000 feet above the Colorado River, each would give strength to the other, and that bridge would be locked together over which traffic of all kinds could flow back and forth safely and conveniently.

Alwi, a devout Muslim of Arabic ancestry, and I, a Christian and devout Mormon, have agreed to symbolically walk arm in arm into the future. Together we hope to build a bridge. Except what that symbolizes is accomplished, all of us face a very dark and very dangerous future.

Now I introduce Dr. Alwi Shihab with a title which I borrow from another venerable Islamic leader and cleric (whom we both know and love), Abdurrahman Wahid, former president of Indonesia—Gus Dur. I apply that title to you, Alwi. You know that by interpretation it means “Dear Friend.”

BOYD K PACKER, given at a speech in BYU in 2006.
Aw that's sweet, I always liked his speeches
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Re: Evil ISLAM.

Postby Elizabeth » Thu Mar 05, 2015 7:55 am

"Iraqi born Norwegian Muslim leader Najmuddin Faraj Ahmad (or Mullah Krekar) has been arrested in Norway after giving an open and honest interview with Norwegian TV station NRK. Ahmad had recently finished serving a prison sentence in Norway for making death threats and intimidating witnesses, and had only been free for about a month when he was arrested again. This time for saying some very scary things about Islam in Norway. Speaking of the Islamic terror attacks that recently took place in Paris, Ahmad said “When it comes to what happened in France, naturally I am happy that it happened. The cartoonist has become an infidel at war, and therefore it is permissible to kill him. As he has trampled on our dignity, our principles and beliefs, so he must die. Anyone who does not respect 30 percent of the world’s population has no right to live.”
He didn’t stop there. He also told the Norwegian TV crew that he would happily send a gift to any one who murdered someone else for burning the Koran. Folks, this is your average run of the mill Islam. The difference between radical Islam and moderate Islam is that the moderate hasn’t actually done what they preach… yet.”

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Re: Evil ISLAM.

Postby dauser » Thu Mar 05, 2015 9:20 am

Compare the Koran, the Talmud, the Bible and The Book Of Mormon.

Compare which are given out most freely on door steps, and which is least likely to be handed out.

Count all the references to Jesus Christ...are they positive or negative?

Compare which Holy Writ is the most most complimentary to Jesus Christ.

Compare which is the least complimentary to Jesus Christ.

Compare what each has to say about YOU...

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Re: Evil ISLAM.

Postby KMCopeland » Fri Mar 06, 2015 7:25 pm

samizdat wrote:We believe that “the great religious leaders of the world such as Mohammed, Confucius, and the Reformers, as well as philosophers including Socrates, Plato, and others, received a portion of God’s light. Moral truths were given to them by God to enlighten whole nations and to bring a higher level of understanding to individuals.”2

It is not a coincidence that the world’s great religions come together at Temple Hill in modern-day Jerusalem. Known now as the Place of the Rock, it is a religious shrine for Islam, for Christianity, and for Judaism. All three great religions hold ties to this place. All three, likewise, have a common thread in a tradition that Elijah the prophet would return.3

Knit together by world history and by Old Testament history and doctrine, the Church and the Islamic world can see each other as People of the Book, indeed Family of the Book.

Church members and Muslims share similar high standards of decency, temperance, and morality. We have so much in common. As societal morality and behavior decline in an increasingly permissive world, the Church and many within Islam increasingly share natural affinities.

Muslim scholars point out that the Quran does not restrict Paradise to Muslims. The Quran rewards all those of faith who perform righteousness and believe in the after-life. The Book calls Jesus Christ Messiah, Son of Mary, and by the names Messenger, Prophet, Servant, Word, and Spirit of God.4

It is important that we in the West understand there is a battle for the heart, soul, and direction of Islam and that not all Islam espouses violent jihad, as some Western media portray.

It is as well important that friends in the Islamic world understand there is a battle for the heart, soul, and direction of the Western world and that not all the West is morally decadent, as some Islamic media portray.

Several years ago, I was invited to speak at a convention of insurance executives in Vail, Colorado. On the way, we crossed the Colorado River.

We could see a new bridge in process of construction. It was an engineering marvel. Anchored to the sheer stone walls on both sides was an abutment for the bridge. Launching out into space from that abutment, reaching out for the other side, were sections of steel girders. When they met and were locked together in the middle 1,000 feet above the Colorado River, each would give strength to the other, and that bridge would be locked together over which traffic of all kinds could flow back and forth safely and conveniently.

Alwi, a devout Muslim of Arabic ancestry, and I, a Christian and devout Mormon, have agreed to symbolically walk arm in arm into the future. Together we hope to build a bridge. Except what that symbolizes is accomplished, all of us face a very dark and very dangerous future.

Now I introduce Dr. Alwi Shihab with a title which I borrow from another venerable Islamic leader and cleric (whom we both know and love), Abdurrahman Wahid, former president of Indonesia—Gus Dur. I apply that title to you, Alwi. You know that by interpretation it means “Dear Friend.”

BOYD K PACKER, given at a speech in BYU in 2006.
Very, very nice.

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Re: Evil ISLAM.

Postby Bee Prepared » Fri Mar 06, 2015 8:52 pm

KMCopeland wrote:
samizdat wrote:I don't get it either KMCopeland. Lots of bad things have been done in the name of religion. The first 9/11 had nothing to do with the Muslims. It had quite a bit to do with Mormons.
The Muslimness of the perpetrators of 9/11 can't be ignored. The millions of Muslims around the world who would never hurt a fly, much less another human being because it's against their religion, can't be ignored either. You do the math,
samizdat, would you lease tell me what the Mormon's had to do with it? #-o

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Re: Evil ISLAM.

Postby Bee Prepared » Fri Mar 06, 2015 9:09 pm

KMCopeland wrote:Tread softly. You're a member of a religion that some people think is an evil cult. Wonder why that doesn't make you a little more reluctant to go on a mission to "prove" someone else's is.
I've heard us called a cult, but never an "Evil" cult. ( I know you weren't personally saying it)

Just for the record;

The idea that Mormonism is a cult is beyond absurd, unless by cult one simply means a religion that one does not like. More basically, to call a church a “cult” labels them a danger to society, akin to Jim Jones and David Koresh. So for evangelicals to call Mormons a cult is simply a mean-spirited declaration.

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Re: Evil ISLAM.

Postby KMCopeland » Fri Mar 06, 2015 9:56 pm

Bee Prepared wrote:
KMCopeland wrote:Tread softly. You're a member of a religion that some people think is an evil cult. Wonder why that doesn't make you a little more reluctant to go on a mission to "prove" someone else's is.
I've heard us called a cult, but never an "Evil" cult. ( I know you weren't personally saying it). I've heard that. I've been accused of belonging to the Church of Satan because I was a Mormon. They gave me this book called "The Four Cults: Christian Scientists, Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Seventh-day Adventists." It's a common belief among fundamentalist protestants, that Mormonism is a cult. They had a hard time voting for Mitt Romney because he was a Mormon. I think most of them went for Rick Santorum, even though they knew he couldn't win. Just couldn't vote for a member of a cult -- and of course they couldn't vote for a black Democrat. So it was Santorum or don't vote. They're really brilliant people.
Bee Prepared wrote:The idea that Mormonism is a cult is beyond absurd, unless by cult one simply means a religion that one does not like. More basically, to call a church a “cult” labels them a danger to society, akin to Jim Jones and David Koresh. So for evangelicals to call Mormons a cult is simply a mean-spirited declaration.
It is very mean-spirited. But part of their definition of a cult is you have a leader whose word you take as God's word. That's a big part of why they decided we qualify.
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Re: Evil ISLAM.

Postby samizdat » Fri Mar 06, 2015 9:58 pm

Bee Prepared wrote:
KMCopeland wrote:
samizdat wrote:I don't get it either KMCopeland. Lots of bad things have been done in the name of religion. The first 9/11 had nothing to do with the Muslims. It had quite a bit to do with Mormons.
The Muslimness of the perpetrators of 9/11 can't be ignored. The millions of Muslims around the world who would never hurt a fly, much less another human being because it's against their religion, can't be ignored either. You do the math,
samizdat, would you lease tell me what the Mormon's had to do with it? #-o
You aren't aware of what happened in the Mountain Meadows Massacre? This was an example of excess on the part of the local members of the area when they were provoked by a wagon train that headed south.

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Postby Elizabeth » Thu Mar 12, 2015 3:49 pm

From Pamela Geller, American Freedom Defense Initiative.

"Brilliant news, freedom lovers. We won a huge free speech victory in Philadelphia. Your First Amendment rights were in jeopardy, so we fought. And we won!
The court granted our legal team's motion for a preliminary injunction holding that the Southeastern Pennsylvania Transportation Authority’s (SEPTA) refusal to run our “Islamic Jew-Hatred: It's In the Qur'an” advertisement on its advertising space violated the First Amendment. The judge held that SEPTA was refusing to run our ads because they didn't like our message -- and even in Obama's America, that's illegal.
Thanks again to our legal warriors, David Yerushalmi and Robert Muise of the American Freedom Law Centre.
At AFDI, we are not just raising awareness of the nature and magnitude of the jihad threat with our campaigns; we’re also setting legal precedents that have implications that can’t be understated: for decades, the left has been chipping away at our First Amendment rights. Without most Americans realising they’ve placed almost as many hedges and restrictions around the First Amendment as they have the Second.
Will you stand with us? If we can, we will take the fight for free speech — and the truth about Islamic Jew-hatred and jihad -- to every city in the nation."
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Re: Evil ISLAM.

Postby KMCopeland » Sun Mar 15, 2015 9:05 pm

samizdat wrote:Here is where I agree with Obama:

There have been MANY BAD THINGS done in the name of religion. Be it Islam, Christianity, Judaism, heck even there have been members of our Church who have done bad things in the name of religion (Mountain Meadows, anyone?)

The pilot who was burned, was also Muslim.

Many of the people who ISIS have slaughtered, have been Muslims who do not agree with ISIS's stance.
You're a voice of sanity crying in a thread/wilderness of blind hatred. I wish you luck.
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Re: Evil ISLAM.

Postby samizdat » Tue Mar 17, 2015 7:40 am

These guys seem to forget that many of the leaders of the Church, early, middle, and current leaders, have praised Mohammed and Islam in general, and that we have a presence in several Islamic countries. The Muslims generally have a good relationship with the Mormons that doesn't really exist with other Christian organizations. Seeing how we obey the law there it really isn't a surprise why that is the case.

The Church has missionaries in Pakistan, Indonesia, Malaysia, and Turkey with congregations. There are congregations in Morocco, Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, Palestine, Bangladesh, and Oman. There is a growing Church presence in northern Nigeria (where Boko Haram is active) and in northern Ghana where a district is about to be formed in a 85 percent Muslim community of Tamale. In both cases there are missionaries in those areas.

Those that call the ENTIRE religion of Islam evil, are really doing themselves a disservice. There are those who would satanize 1.6 billion people when the problem resides in around one tenth of one percent of that number. Don't carpet-bomb the entire religion for the fault of a few.

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Re: Evil ISLAM.

Postby KMCopeland » Thu Mar 19, 2015 7:01 pm

I hear these stories about ISIS's success in recruiting. A few weeks ago it was 2 teenage girls from London leaving comfortable homes and solid families to go join ISIS. I wonder how they could possibly be attracted to it, and I chalk it up to something I probably just don't understand about ISIS. But now there's a story of a veteran of the USAF, from New Jersey, who decided he'd join up. He is a recent convert to Islam, and he does live in the Middle East -- but his background is a pretty ordinary American one. This is getting pretty close to home. Home -- where ISIS seems so hard to understand, right? But haven't we had our own version of ISIS here? Didn't we once have a powerful, frightening group of people riding around the country killing people they didn't like? The KKK comes to mind. Is it the same thing? I think it's closer than we'd like to admit.

Estimates of ISIS's strength are all over the place. A low estimate is around 20,000, and a high one says nearly 200,000. But the Klan at its height was 5,000,000 strong. There was a time, and not all that long ago, that you needed Klan endorsement to be elected to public office, and that wasn't confined to the South by any means. It was true in lots of states well outside the South. ISIS doesn't have that kind of clout yet, and from the way the people in the region are laying down their lives to fight them, there's a good chance they never will. I guess we'll see.

The Koran condemns murder as roundly as the Bible does -- yet both the Klan and ISIS had/have no trouble at all murdering anyone in fact, it is/was the reason for their existences: the murdering of people they decide need to be murdered. The most upsetting similarity, to me, is that otherwise perfectly decent, normal people, approved of the Klan's attempt at genocide, they cheered it on, and they joined up to help them accomplish it. Like London teenagers, and an American Air Force veteran have done.

I've been disgusted by ISIS's refusal to show their faces by wearing masks -- the Klan does the same thing.
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Those images of the little boys that ISIS is using -- they call them "lion cubs," made me nauseous. The Klan does the same thing.
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ISIS pretends they're patriots. So does the Klan.
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ISIS has perverted their religion. They claim their interpretation of Islam is the correct one. The Klan lays claim to Christianity too. They actually believed their murders were approved of by God. Much like ISIS does.
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I'm sure that this "let's join ISIS and kill people we don't like so the only people left living are people we like" thing is the same thing that gave the Klan its appeal, to whatever benighted human beings found, and still find, the Ku Klux Klan appealing. Who still, believe it or not, join up. I think we should face the fact ISIS is not a Muslim phenomenon.

I'm pretty sure the Klan's heyday is over, while ISIS probably hasn't peaked yet. But the Klan is still around, and still recruiting, amazingly enough. And I see threads like "Evil Islam," and other hate speech about our own president and his family, sprinkled liberally around not just here, but all over political forums all over the internet, and I wonder just how far we might be from the barbarity that ISIS is engaged in -- which barbarity we feel so superior about. Because we're Christians after all.
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Re: Evil ISLAM.

Postby samizdat » Thu Mar 19, 2015 10:35 pm

You bring an interesting perspective to this forum. PLEASE do not leave it. Why do you think I didn't immediately gripe at what Obama had to say about Christians doing the things they did a thousand years ago or more recently under the Jim Crow laws? The Klan weren't just against blacks but also against Catholics, Jews, AND Mormons. I would know because I grew up in Texas and my dad's family grew up in the South. Despicable people.

The main difference is that today the Klan is largely rejected except in racist pockets in the deep South, but in Europe neo-Nazi movements are growing up once again. And in the Middle East, ISIS is certainly not losing its popularity though there are Muslims against them. I say not losing popularity because they struck another museum in another North African country...

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Re: Evil ISLAM.

Postby KMCopeland » Fri Mar 20, 2015 9:21 pm

samizdat wrote:You bring an interesting perspective to this forum. PLEASE do not leave it. Why do you think I didn't immediately gripe at what Obama had to say about Christians doing the things they did a thousand years ago or more recently under the Jim Crow laws? The Klan weren't just against blacks but also against Catholics, Jews, AND Mormons. I would know because I grew up in Texas and my dad's family grew up in the South. Despicable people.

The main difference is that today the Klan is largely rejected except in racist pockets in the deep South, but in Europe neo-Nazi movements are growing up once again. And in the Middle East, ISIS is certainly not losing its popularity though there are Muslims against them. I say not losing popularity because they struck another museum in another North African country...
Thanks buddy. I will disagree with you on one point: the Klan has chapters in almost all 50 states. The Pennsylvania group is one of the most active. Southerners are ashamed of the fact that it was born here, and of the horrible things they did here for so long -- so ashamed that they overcompensate. There are still racists here -- but boy are they unwelcome.
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Re: Evil ISLAM.

Postby Elizabeth » Sun Apr 05, 2015 2:12 am

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2015/04/husba ... -123381278" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


"Says Abu Bakr of his wife’s arreston jihad terror charges: “I don’t believe any of it, period. We are all shocked, the whole community. That’s not who she is.” But back in 2007, Abu Bakr was photographed at the Muslim Day Parade in New York City with the black flag of jihad. He carried it at other parades as well.
…One of the two Queens women accused of plotting a homemade bomb strike on American soil worked at a preschool,
Asia Siddiqui, a 31-year-old native of Saudi Arabia, was behind bars Friday, locked up with her best friend and accused sister in jihad Noelle Valentzas, 28.
A federal criminal complaint said the two suspects were overheard repeatedly discussing violent activities with the undercover agent — including a plot to bomb a police funeral. Siddiqui was arrested in possession of propane gas tanks and instructions on converting them into bombs. "
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Re: Evil ISLAM.

Postby David13 » Sun Apr 05, 2015 7:38 am

Oh but Regina, they only do that for peaceful purposes. They are of a religion of peace. I know, Obama said so.
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