Evil ISLAM. Isil, IS, Isis, Daesh.

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Most muslims support radical beliefs.

Then most Christian Americans support abortion and bombing wedding parties.

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https://www.jihadwatch.org/2017/06/swed ... us-help-us

Sweden on the Brink of CIVIL WAR, National Police Chief: “HELP US, HELP US!”

A leaked report concludes that the number of lawless areas (commonly referred to as “no-go zones”) in Sweden now totals 61. That is up from 55 in just one year’s time. This increase includes not only the total number, but also the geographical size of these areas.

Sweden’s National Police Commissioner, Dan Eliasson, spoke on national television and pleaded for assistance: “Help us, help us!,” he said, while warning that Swedish police forces no longer can uphold the law and therefore must ask all good powers in the country to support them.

A research expert regarding destabilized countries and 2011 recipient of Sweden’s Order of the Seraphim medal, Johan Patrik Engellau, has been working with organizations such as the UN and others that operate in crisis areas. He warns:

“I’m afraid it is the end for the well-organized, decent and egalitarian Sweden we have known up to now. Personally, I would not be surprised if a form of civil war occurs. In some places, the civil war has probably already begun.”

10News recently reported how the Swedish state has lost large areas to armed, religious groups best described as Islamist militias. Police chief Lars Alversjø says that, “There is lawlessness in parts of Stockholm (Sweden’s capital) now.” He also observed how, “The legal system, which is a pillar in every democratic society, is collapsing in Sweden.” Per Magnus Ranstorp, a researcher into terrorism and radicalization at the Swedish National Defense College, notes: “In the worst areas, extremists have taken over. The whole sense of justice and peace are threatened by the fact that the police is breaking down and it’s only getting worse. Sweden is in a disastrous situation.”

The Swedish Security Service (Säkerhetspolisen – abbreviated as Säpo), recently warned that the country is crawling with “thousands of Islamists” sharing Islamic State’s ideology. In many places, public servants (i.e., non-Islamic authorities) require police escort or protection.

In related news: Sweden Changing: 150,000 Women Undergo FGM, Authorities Admit Large Areas UNDER ISLAMIST RULE

The word that Swedish authorities and media use for the country’s “no-go zones” is utenforskap. The word means something like “excluded area.” In these areas, Swedish law has been replaced with a mixture of the law of the jungle and the Islamic legal code, sharia. Armed Muslim gangs and Islamic radicals are simply carving out big pieces of Sweden for themselves. The only reason why it has not evolved into large-scale armed conflicts — in this formerly peaceful and safe country — probably relates to how Sweden’s feminist-liberal government is not putting up any real resistance against the Islamists.

Even if the Swedish feminist government chose to fight back tomorrow, Sweden has nothing close to the paramilitary capacity needed to reverse this situation. That 80 percent of the country’s law enforcement officers are considering quitting their jobs is a clear sign of a police force that is completely demoralized. The military in this traditionally pacifist country is cut down to almost nothing, and there is no money to fix it.

As Johan Patrik Engellau puts it: “The government does not seem to understand that it has lost control. There is a point where you can no longer stop a situation’s development. I do not know if Sweden has reached this point when it comes to [the consequences of] immigration, but I fear we are drawing close. If we right here and now take and clear and powerful action – including stopping immigration and the political promotion of multiculturalism – we might with some difficulty be able to save Sweden.”

The fact remains that Sweden’s political elite is nowhere near taking such decisive action, as it has not even started to openly speak out about these problems.

Therefore Sweden will very soon need help from abroad. Police chief Dan Eliasson’s prayer for help only included potential partners inside Sweden, but very soon the international community will have to intervene if a humanitarian catastrophe is to be avoided.

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Even ignoring all their crazy beliefs muslims are not helping this country at all...

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Even ignoring all their crazy beliefs muslims are not helping this country at all...

Even considering all their deeply held religious beliefs, Christians bombing their country is not helping them, or us, at all.

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Even ignoring all their crazy beliefs muslims are not helping this country at all...

Even considering all their deeply held religious beliefs, Christians bombing their country is not helping them, or us, at all.

You keep repeating the same old failed argument over and over. I've already pointed out to you many times that muslims are attacking people that have never hurt them ever, so the fact that some gadiantons (not christians) are bombing them isn't the answer, it does not justify them. How many bombs has Sweden dropped on muslims? How many bombs have the coptic Christians dropped on them? How about the philippines? How about Australia? Canada? Muslims are causing problems and attacking people in literally EVERY country they are in and few of those countries have ever attacked them in any way.

Also, do you even realize that many of the muslims invading europe are from Africa, not the middle east. No one has bombed them at all. Also, they are mostly young men, which is another sign its not really refugees from bombs.

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Even ignoring all their crazy beliefs muslims are not helping this country at all...

Even considering all their deeply held religious beliefs, Christians bombing their country is not helping them, or us, at all.

You keep repeating the same old failed argument over and over. I've already pointed out to you many times that muslims are attacking people that have never hurt them ever, so the fact that some gadiantons (not christians) are bombing them isn't the answer, it does not justify them. How many bombs has Sweden dropped on muslims? How many bombs have the coptic Christians dropped on them? How about the philippines? How about Australia? Canada? Muslims are causing problems and attacking people in literally EVERY country they are in and few of those countries have ever attacked them in any way.

Also, do you even realize that many of the muslims invading europe are from Africa, not the middle east. No one has bombed them at all. Also, they are mostly young men, which is another sign its not really refugees from bombs.

I don't care what you repeat, all the evidence points to the fact that our inhumane treatment of the Muslims is not making us safer. Decades of deception and bombing of Muslims only makes things worse. The old definition of insanity applies. We've got to try something different to make any headway.

If we spent half the money we spend on military expenditures in rebuilding Muslim nations, they would not need to turn into refugees.

By the way, Libya is in Africa. So is Sudan and Somalia.

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Even ignoring all their crazy beliefs muslims are not helping this country at all...

Even considering all their deeply held religious beliefs, Christians bombing their country is not helping them, or us, at all.

You keep repeating the same old failed argument over and over. I've already pointed out to you many times that muslims are attacking people that have never hurt them ever, so the fact that some gadiantons (not christians) are bombing them isn't the answer, it does not justify them. How many bombs has Sweden dropped on muslims? How many bombs have the coptic Christians dropped on them? How about the philippines? How about Australia? Canada? Muslims are causing problems and attacking people in literally EVERY country they are in and few of those countries have ever attacked them in any way.

Also, do you even realize that many of the muslims invading europe are from Africa, not the middle east. No one has bombed them at all. Also, they are mostly young men, which is another sign its not really refugees from bombs.

I don't care what you repeat, all the evidence points to the fact that our inhumane treatment of the Muslims is not making us safer. Decades of deception and bombing of Muslims only makes things worse. The old definition of insanity applies. We've got to try something different to make any headway.

If we spent half the money we spend on military expenditures in rebuilding Muslim nations, they would not need to turn into refugees.

By the way, Libya is in Africa. So is Sudan and Somalia.

I agree with you on that. I think attacking their countries has been a terrible policy. I'm all for stopping the attacks. That aside, allowing them into our country is a terrible idea too, that's the point I've been trying to make. If we can convince/force the gadiantons running the western countries to leave the muslim countries alone that would be great. Our money would go a lot farther helping them in their own countries rather than bringing them to ours anyway. That's what trump said he wanted to do. I'm quite disappointed that he's continued the stupid foreign policies of the past. I don't know how to fix that, I'd like to, but either way, I think people need to be alerted to the dangers ISLAM brings to our country too. There is a lot of propaganda and MSM support to gloss over all the terrible things muslims bring to our country and people need to wake up before we follow Europe, where acid attacks, FGM, child brides, etc have all become the norm and people are being told by their governments that they must just simply learn to live with it all and if they don't like it and speak out, they can now be arrested for "hate speech" for speaking the truth about ISLAM. That kind of thing has already started to appear in the US an Canada as well. If people don't wake up and demand it be stopped, we will see our remaining freedom overthrown and a whole mix of terrible Islamic practices will become commonplace and ruin our country as well.

There are many examples, but here is one recent example of how freedom of speech is being eroded to protect ISLAM. This is in Canada, but I think we should still be paying attention. Many people here are calling for an end to free speech to stop "hate" against ISLAM as well.
https://www.oathkeepers.org/wild-bill-a ... june-24th/

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Over 670 million non-Muslims massacred since the birth of Islam

These numbers keep increasing all the time when more forgotten figures from history keeps being added.

To the total numbers we have updated over 80 million Christians killed by Muslims in 500 years in the Balkan states, Hungary, Ukraine, Russia.

We are missing numbers on the Islamic genocide of Jews, a continuous goal in Islam for 1,400 years.

Then we have India. The official estimate number of Muslim slaughters of Hindus is 80 million. However, Muslim historian Firistha (b. 1570) wrote (in either Tarikh-i Firishta or the Gulshan-i Ibrahim) that Muslims slaughtered over 400 million Hindus up to the peak of Islamic rule of India, bringing the Hindu population down from 600 mil to 200 million at the time.

With these new additions the Muslim genocide of non-Muslims since the birth of Mohammed would be over 669 million murders.

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Islam: The Religion of Genocide

Perspective: Think the Spanish inquisition was bad?

More people are killed by Islamists each year than in all 350 years of the Spanish Inquisition* combined.
The Spanish inquisition (Tribunal del Santo Oficio de la Inquisición) from 1478 to 1834 was established due to muslim invasions. It was the war and battle to try and end Islamic infiltration, Arab fascism and conquest. It’s quite interesting how similar to muslims their methodology was. Was it habit by long association under muslim rule or a strategy?
Note: The Spanish Inquisition was an answer to the multi-religious nature of Spanish society following the reconquest of the Iberian Peninsula from the Muslim Moors.

After invading in 711, large areas of the Iberian Peninsula were ruled by Muslims until 1250, when they were restricted to Granada, which fell in 1492. However, the Reconquista did not result in the total expulsion of Muslims from Spain, since they, along with the enslaved Jews, were tolerated by the ruling Christian elite. Large cities, especially Seville, Valladolid and Barcelona, had significant Jewish populations centered in Juderia. Muslims tried to take control throughout the entire country and expand into France to install an islamic state wherever they went.
To expel the vicious Islamic parasite from the nation the Tribunal killed anyone and everyone who were suspected of being contaminated by Islam, even those enslaved by the muslims.
The Inquisition not only hunted for Protestants and for false converts from Judaism among the conversos, but also searched for false or relapsed converts among the Moriscos [moors], forced converts from Islam. Many Moriscos were suspected of practising Islam in secret. They killed anyone suspected of being traitors or disguised moles. No one was spared.
So successful was the enterprise in 1609, in the space of months, Spain was emptied of its Moriscos. Expelled were the Moriscos of Aragon, Murcia, Catalonia, Castile, Mancha and Extremadura.
In other words, the Spanish inquisition saved the entire region from being taken over by Islamic rule. It was a brutal but quintessentially heroic act in history that saw the sacrifice of millions of people to exterminate Islam fully and completely from the land. It took them nearly 400 years. Imagine the sheer volume of muslims in the country for it to take almost four centuries to get rid of them.
Think the KKK has been bad since 1950?

Islamic terrorists murder more people every day than the Ku Klux Klan has in the last 50 years
Think the KKK was bad from 1865-1965?

Islamists killed more Buddhists in Thailand since 9/11 than the KKK killed in the 100 YEARS from 1865 to 9165.
Think the IRA’s terror campaign and the sectarian violence in Northern Ireland was bad?

More civilians were killed by Muslim extremists in two hours on September 11th than in the 36 years of sectarian conflict in Northern Ireland
Think capital punishment in the USA is barbaric?

The 19 Muslim hijackers killed more innocents in two hours on September 11th than the number of American criminals executed in the last 65 years.
It’s actually much worse than that: MORE PERSPECTIVE: Tears of Jihad

These figures are a rough estimate of the death of non-Muslims by the political act of jihad.

Africa

Thomas Sowell [Thomas Sowell, Race and Culture, BasicBooks, 1994, p. 188] estimates that 11 million slaves were shipped across the Atlantic and 14 million were sent to the Islamic nations of North Africa and the Middle East.

For every slave captured many others died.

Estimates of this collateral damage vary. The renowned missionary David Livingstone estimated that for every slave who reached a plantation, five others were killed in the initial raid or died of illness and privation on the forced march.

[Woman’s Presbyterian Board of Missions, David Livingstone, p. 62, 1888]

Those who were left behind were the very young, the weak, the sick and the old. These soon died since the main providers had been killed or enslaved.

So, for 25 million slaves delivered to the market, we have an estimated death of about 120 million people. Islam ran the wholesale slave trade in Africa.

120 million Africans

Christians

The number of Christians martyred by Islam is 9 million [David B. Barrett, Todd M. Johnson, World Christian Trends AD 30-AD 2200, William Carey Library, 2001, p. 230, table 4-10] .

A rough estimate by Raphael Moore in History of Asia Minor is that another 50 million died in wars by jihad.

So counting the million African Christians killed in the 20th century we have:

59 million Christians in Asia Minor

80 million Christians killed by Muslims during 500 years in the Balkan states, Hungary, Ukraine, Russia.

[This calculation does not include the Arab biological warfare of the middle ages where enslaved and infected Jews, riddled with plague, were dumped across Europe in regions that had no Jewish origin or settlers. They carried the disease from the brutal Arab slave trade and were part of the enslaved blacks, Christians and Jews who managed to survive by paying jizya. These diseased people were then spread into Europe during muslim efforts to conquer the Italian coast (Venice), Greece, Spain, etc. The plague ended up killing half of the entire population of Europe]

Hindus

Koenard Elst in Negationism in India gives an estimate of 80 million Hindus killed in the total jihad against India. [Koenard Elst, Negationism in India, Voice of India, New Delhi, 2002, pg. 34.]

The country of India today is only half the size of ancient India, due to jihad. The mountains near India are called the Hindu Kush, meaning the “funeral pyre of the Hindus.”

80 million Hindus + adjusted 320 million = 400 million Hindus

[UPDATE: According to reports from the 1899 in a statement made by Indian religious leader Swami Vivekananda quoting Muslim historian Firistha, Muslims slaughtered over 400 million Hindus during an 800 year Muslim rule, bringing a population down from 600 mil to 200 million at the time. Firishta wrote the Tarikh-i Firishta and the Gulshan-i Ibrahim. If Muslims indeed slaughtered over 400 million people in India, the Muslim genocide around the world would exceed 890 million victims.

“When the Mohammedans first came we were said – I think on the authority of Ferishta, the oldest Mohammedan historian – to have been six hundred millions of Hindus. Now we are about two hundred millions.

— An interview of Swami Vivekananda, published in Prabuddha Bharat. April, 1899 and compiled under heading ‘On the Bounds of Hinduism’.]

400 million Hindus

Buddhists

Buddhists do not keep up with the history of war. Keep in mind that in jihad only Christians and Jews were allowed to survive as dhimmis (servants to Islam); everyone else had to convert or die.

Jihad killed the Buddhists in Turkey, Afghanistan, along the Silk Route, and in India.

The total is roughly 10 million. [David B. Barrett, Todd M. Johnson, World Christian Trends AD 30-AD 2200, William Carey Library, 2001, p. 230, table 4-1.]

10 million Buddhists

Jews

Oddly enough there were not enough Jews killed in jihad to significantly affect the totals of the Great Annihilation. The jihad in Arabia was 100 percent effective, but the numbers were in the thousands, not millions.

After that, the Jews submitted and became the dhimmis (servants and second class citizens) of Islam and did not have geographic political power.

This gives a rough estimate of 669+ million killed by jihad.

Missing Data

Persians.

Muslims invaded and occupied the peace-loving Persians, the followers of Zorohaustra.

Christians in the Middle East.

Chinese during the mongul invasions.

Plus Muslims have slaughtered 11 million other Muslims since 1948 in addition to the 669million+ non-Muslims they have murdered over the centuries. How many Muslims they have murdered over 1,400 years is unknown.

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590,000,000: THAT’S WAY MORE THAN STALIN, HITLER, MAO, POL POT, IDI AMIN (a Sunni Muslim), AND THE REST OF THE 20TH CENTURY’S GENOCIDAL SOCIALISTS! AND IT DOESN’T STOP THERE. THE KILLING BY MUSLIMS AROUND THE WORLD CONTINUES TO THIS DAY.

FOR GOOD REASONS, THE LEFT LOVES TO HATE THE SPANISH INQUISITION, THE KKK, AND THERE ARE EVEN GOOD ARGUMENTS AGAINST CAPITAL PUNISHMENT IN THE USA (THOUGH I SUPPORT IT!).
THE LEFT HAS NO PROBLEM CALLING THE SPANISH INQUISITION AND THE KKK AND CAPITAL PUNISHMENT BARBARIC.
SO WHY DON’T THEY CRITICIZE ISLAM – WHICH IS DEMONSTRABLY WORSE THAN ALL THREE COMBINED!?!?
IN FACT, NO IDEOLOGY HAS BEEN AS GENOCIDAL AS ISLAM…
NOR HAS ANY IDEOLOGY BEEN SO BLOODTHIRSTY FOR SO LONG. FOR CENTURIES…
NOR HAS ANY IDEOLOGY EVER BEEN AS ANTI-LIBERTY, ANTI-DEMOCRACY – OR AS ANTI-WOMAN.
IT’S TIME IT WAS STOPPED. FOR GOOD.

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Over 670 million non-Muslims massacred since the birth of Islam

IT’S TIME IT WAS STOPPED. FOR GOOD.

Do you believe these figures?

Do you agree with the writer's premise?

Based on the writer's final comment, what is the logical conclusion to the idea of "stop"ping the Muslims "for good?"

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Over 670 million non-Muslims massacred since the birth of Islam

IT’S TIME IT WAS STOPPED. FOR GOOD.

Do you believe these figures?

Do you agree with the writer's premise?

Based on the writer's final comment, what is the logical conclusion to the idea of "stop"ping the Muslims "for good?"

No I don't agree with everything he says. I would like to see ISLAM voluntarily die out, as I know it and all other satanic practices eventually will, but I would not use force except in defense. The point is though, the authors stats are based on historical records and illustrate just how violent islam has been and continues to be, even in times and places where no one has bombed any wedding parties, etc.

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https://themuslimissue.wordpress.com/20 ... -mohammed/

Over 670 million non-Muslims massacred since the birth of Islam

IT’S TIME IT WAS STOPPED. FOR GOOD.

Do you believe these figures?

Do you agree with the writer's premise?

Based on the writer's final comment, what is the logical conclusion to the idea of "stop"ping the Muslims "for good?"

No I don't agree with everything he says. I would like to see ISLAM voluntarily die out, as I know it and all other satanic practices eventually will, but I would not use force except in defense. The point is though, the authors stats are based on historical records and illustrate just how violent islam has been and continues to be, even in times and places where no one has bombed any wedding parties, etc.

I seriously doubt his claims have been through any sort of rigorous peer review system. The numbers are way too high. His conclusion seems to be kill them all which cannot be supported by any Christian.

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Do you believe these figures?

Do you agree with the writer's premise?

Based on the writer's final comment, what is the logical conclusion to the idea of "stop"ping the Muslims "for good?"

No I don't agree with everything he says. I would like to see ISLAM voluntarily die out, as I know it and all other satanic practices eventually will, but I would not use force except in defense. The point is though, the authors stats are based on historical records and illustrate just how violent islam has been and continues to be, even in times and places where no one has bombed any wedding parties, etc.

I seriously doubt his claims have been through any sort of rigorous peer review system. The numbers are way too high. His conclusion seems to be kill them all which cannot be supported by any Christian.

None of the numbers originate with the author, he links and cites other sources for all of them that are from published authors, wikipedia, etc. They should be about as accurate as we can be on something like this. No one can provide exact counts for any of these kinds of atrocities, but it should be at least in the ballpark.

I agree that christians cannot support killing them all. However, we can support efforts to educate them and convert them away from ISLAM. I also absolutely believe we have the right to petition and push to keep them out of our country. My ideal solution would be to send them all back home for the safety of our families here, but then work towards educating and helping them as much as they'll allow us to. We have every right to secure our lands and protect our families, which includes preventing dangerous immigrants from entering.

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https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/1057 ... mmandments

What Sharia Prescribes: Same as the Ten Commandments?

Islam was created 600 years after Christianity not to affirm the Bible, but to discredit it; not to co-exist with "the people of the book" -- Jews and Christians -- but to replace them.

It is hard to read Islamic law books without concluding that Islamic values are essentially "a rebellion against the Ten Commandments".

Islam violates the commandment "Thou shalt not murder" when Allah commanded Muslims to kill Allah's enemies, and in the process, kill and be killed in jihad if they are to be guaranteed heaven.

Accepting a parallel legal system would effectively nullify actual freedom for many of the people possibly forced to use it, and the ability to receive equal justice under law. Sharia is the reason there is a death warrant out on this author, on Salman Rushdie and others, for apostasy.

Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, of the "Ground Zero mosque", once again wrote a deeply inaccurate article reprimanding Americans for their supposedly "right-wing caricature" of Islamic law, sharia, which he insists is not a threat to American law. In his recent article "The silly American fear of sharia law", he denied that sharia is incompatible with US laws and the constitution. Oh, really?

Imam Rauf tries to blame sharia's amputation and stoning on Biblical Law:

"Sharia is not about amputations and stoning. These extreme punishments carry over from earlier, biblical law" and "Within the history of Islam, they have rarely occurred. What Islamic law does prescribe are the same do's [sic] and don'ts of the Ten Commandments."

Imam Rauf's article is, to say the least, misleading -- especially regarding the Ten Commandments. Sharia is not only incompatible with Western legal system but is the direct opposite of Western values; it has violated all ten of the Ten Commandments.

Islam was created 600 years after Christianity not to affirm the Bible, but to discredit it; not to co-exist with "the people of the book" -- Jews and Christians -- but to replace them. It is hard to read Islamic law books without concluding that Islamic values are essentially "a rebellion against the Ten Commandments."

Islam has little respect for human life -- of either Muslims or non-Muslims. To begin with, Islam violates the commandment "Thou shalt not murder." Sharia punishes sins against Allah, such as blasphemy and apostasy, with execution. This is while it prohibits prosecuting Muslims who kill apostates, and also parents and grandparents who kill their offspring. Allah commands Muslims to kill Allah's enemies, and in the process, kill and be killed in jihad if they are to be guaranteed heaven.

"Surely Allah has purchased of the believers their lives and their belongings and in return has promised that they shall have Paradise.106 They fight in the Way of Allah, and slay and are slain. Such is the promise He has made incumbent upon Himself in the Torah, and the Gospel, and the Qur'an.107 Who is more faithful to his promise than Allah? Rejoice, then, in the bargain you have made with Him. That indeed is the mighty triumph." (9:111)

The concept of adultery and loyalty in marriage is totally different. Loyalty is expected from the woman under penalty of death, but men have a lot of room in that regard, the result of the rights of polygamy and temporary marriage for Muslim men. Thus, in Islam, the concept of marriage as a covenant of loyalty between one man and one woman does not exist.

In regards to stealing, let us not be fooled by Islam's barbaric punishment for stealing with amputation of limbs. Islam is serious about stealing only when a Muslim steals from other Muslims. Killing and stealing are even connected in Islam: after killing non-Muslims in jihad, Muslims are rewarded with their property, their homes, businesses, women, and children, all of which are regarded legitimate booty, or spoils of war. Some people claim this does not exist today, but just try telling that to Middle Eastern Christians and Jews who have been robbed of their property and their land, and whose homes have been taken by Muslims.

A leading imam and professor at Rhodes College in Memphis, Tennessee, Yasir Qadhi has said, "Muslims have the right to take the property of filthy Christians and Jews." Qadhi has been described by the New York Times Magazine as "one of the most influential conservative clerics in American Islam."

Qadhi justifies stealing from Jews and Christians as "a means to establish monotheism on the land." He quotes Muhammad saying "I have been commanded to fight the people until they" convert and explains that "if they don't, their life and property are halal [free for the taking] to the Muslims."

In regard to truthfulness in sharia, again, as with stealing, Islam has many loopholes, and sharia clearly states that lying is an obligation under certain conditions, such as if it is for the benefit of Islam.

As to contentment and coveting thy neighbor's house and wife, Islam again uses coveting to lure Muslims to perform jihad.

The whole concept of jihad is a brazen violation of the Tenth Commandment: it means conquest over non-Muslims and taking what they have.

Islamic books tell us that Muhammad did not just covet the possessions of his non-Muslim enemies. When he desired the wife of his adopted son Ali, he had a revelation making it legitimate and holy for Ali to divorce his wife and Muhammad to marry her.

The Tenth Commandment -- Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his @#$, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's -- is utterly alien to Islamic values; Islamic books are full of examples of stripping Allah's enemies of their possessions, homes, property, trading caravan goods, women, and children.

The American people are not at all silly for opposing sharia. Even the supposedly benign laws of sharia regarding marriage and divorce that Imam Rauf claims are a religious right, totally destroy a woman's right to divorce and retain custody of her children.

Accepting sharia in the US would totally change the Western concept of marriage by allowing polygamy, wife-beating, female genital mutilation, rape and marrying children.

Any legal system that governs a nation and that is being exported needs be scrutinized. Accepting a parallel legal system would effectively nullify actual freedom for many of the people possibly forced to use it, and be gross negligence against American citizens, their freedom, and above all the ability to receive equal justice under law.

Sharia is the reason there is a death warrant out on this author, and well as for Salman Rushdie and others, for free speech and apostasy, and why I am unable to visit my country of origin, Egypt, or any country where Muslims are in a majority.

No, Imam Rauf, fear of sharia is not "silly"; it is probably the most clear-eyed, desperately urgent fear that anyone who cares about freedom can have.

Nonie Darwish, born and raised in Egypt, is the author of "Wholly Different; Why I chose Biblical Values over Islamic Values"

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What Sharia Prescribes: Same as the Ten Commandments?

Islam was created 600 years after Christianity not to affirm the Bible, but to discredit it; not to co-exist with "the people of the book" -- Jews and Christians -- but to replace them.

It is hard to read Islamic law books without concluding that Islamic values are essentially "a rebellion against the Ten Commandments".

The natural man is an enemy to God. It has nothing to do with Sharia and almost everything to do with the influence of Satan. Neither Hitler nor Stalin nor Mao nor Genghis Khan were practitioners of Sharia law.

Islam violates the commandment "Thou shalt not murder" when Allah commanded Muslims to kill Allah's enemies, and in the process, kill and be killed in jihad if they are to be guaranteed heaven.

Every non-Muslim majority country in the world has prisons with murderers. Even the nominally Christian country of America has multiple murders per day. How many of the black-on-black murders committed in Chicago each day are a result of Sharia law? How many murdered fetus carcasses must God in heaven observe coming out of America's abortion clinics?

The concept of adultery and loyalty in marriage is totally different. Loyalty is expected from the woman under penalty of death, but men have a lot of room in that regard, the result of the rights of polygamy and temporary marriage for Muslim men. Thus, in Islam, the concept of marriage as a covenant of loyalty between one man and one woman does not exist.

How many American men who profess to be Christian regularly break their marriage vows. This painting of Islam as some sort of exclusive covenant-breaking religion is silly.

In regards to stealing, let us not be fooled by Islam's barbaric punishment for stealing with amputation of limbs. Islam is serious about stealing only when a Muslim steals from other Muslims. Killing and stealing are even connected in Islam: after killing non-Muslims in jihad, Muslims are rewarded with their property, their homes, businesses, women, and children, all of which are regarded legitimate booty, or spoils of war. Some people claim this does not exist today, but just try telling that to Middle Eastern Christians and Jews who have been robbed of their property and their land, and whose homes have been taken by Muslims.

British Petroleum was stealing Iran's oil. The Iranians didn't like it and elected a man to put a stop to it. The CIA overthrew him and installed the Shah. Selective amnesia much?

A leading imam and professor at Rhodes College in Memphis, Tennessee, Yasir Qadhi has said, "Muslims have the right to take the property of filthy Christians and Jews." Qadhi has been described by the New York Times Magazine as "one of the most influential conservative clerics in American Islam."

In America our traitorous leaders have been coached by the lawyers on what is politically correct to say in public. So of course they would never say that Christians have "the right to take the property of filthy" Muslims so you would have your cute little sound byte quote, but a simple observation of their actions would demonstrate that taking is exactly what they have been doing. All in the name of the mendacious "America's national security interests." Oh my! What is this blowback we're experiencing? Why would Muslims attack us for all our humanitarian bombing campaigns? I mean, Madeleine Albright said we were justified in killing 500,000 Iraqi children and they're just "filthy" Muslims anyway so why would they be angry at us? They must hate us for our freedoms. Yeah, that's it. Let's try that lie out on the evening news tonight.

Qadhi justifies stealing from Jews and Christians as "a means to establish monotheism on the land." He quotes Muhammad saying "I have been commanded to fight the people until they" convert and explains that "if they don't, their life and property are halal [free for the taking] to the Muslims."

Like the efforts by Christians to convert the native Americans. Kettle. Pot. Black.

In regard to truthfulness in sharia, again, as with stealing, Islam has many loopholes, and sharia clearly states that lying is an obligation under certain conditions, such as if it is for the benefit of Islam.

Again, Americans are "sophisticated" so they never say it's OK to prevaricate, but they do anyway. All. The. Time. Stop throwing rocks, you glass-house dweller.

Having fun? Do you have any more monsters under your bed that we need to dispel?

[Rensai]

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/1057 ... mmandments

What Sharia Prescribes: Same as the Ten Commandments?

Islam was created 600 years after Christianity not to affirm the Bible, but to discredit it; not to co-exist with "the people of the book" -- Jews and Christians -- but to replace them.

It is hard to read Islamic law books without concluding that Islamic values are essentially "a rebellion against the Ten Commandments".

The natural man is an enemy to God. It has nothing to do with Sharia and almost everything to do with the influence of Satan. Neither Hitler nor Stalin nor Mao nor Genghis Khan were practitioners of Sharia law.

Islam violates the commandment "Thou shalt not murder" when Allah commanded Muslims to kill Allah's enemies, and in the process, kill and be killed in jihad if they are to be guaranteed heaven.

Every non-Muslim majority country in the world has prisons with murderers. Even the nominally Christian country of America has multiple murders per day. How many of the black-on-black murders committed in Chicago each day are a result of Sharia law? How many murdered fetus carcasses must God in heaven observe coming out of America's abortion clinics?

The concept of adultery and loyalty in marriage is totally different. Loyalty is expected from the woman under penalty of death, but men have a lot of room in that regard, the result of the rights of polygamy and temporary marriage for Muslim men. Thus, in Islam, the concept of marriage as a covenant of loyalty between one man and one woman does not exist.

How many American men who profess to be Christian regularly break their marriage vows. This painting of Islam as some sort of exclusive covenant-breaking religion is silly.

In regards to stealing, let us not be fooled by Islam's barbaric punishment for stealing with amputation of limbs. Islam is serious about stealing only when a Muslim steals from other Muslims. Killing and stealing are even connected in Islam: after killing non-Muslims in jihad, Muslims are rewarded with their property, their homes, businesses, women, and children, all of which are regarded legitimate booty, or spoils of war. Some people claim this does not exist today, but just try telling that to Middle Eastern Christians and Jews who have been robbed of their property and their land, and whose homes have been taken by Muslims.

British Petroleum was stealing Iran's oil. The Iranians didn't like it and elected a man to put a stop to it. The CIA overthrew him and installed the Shah. Selective amnesia much?

A leading imam and professor at Rhodes College in Memphis, Tennessee, Yasir Qadhi has said, "Muslims have the right to take the property of filthy Christians and Jews." Qadhi has been described by the New York Times Magazine as "one of the most influential conservative clerics in American Islam."

In America our traitorous leaders have been coached by the lawyers on what is politically correct to say in public. So of course they would never say that Christians have "the right to take the property of filthy" Muslims so you would have your cute little sound byte quote, but a simple observation of their actions would demonstrate that taking is exactly what they have been doing. All in the name of the mendacious "America's national security interests." Oh my! What is this blowback we're experiencing? Why would Muslims attack us for all our humanitarian bombing campaigns? I mean, Madeleine Albright said we were justified in killing 500,000 Iraqi children and they're just "filthy" Muslims anyway so why would they be angry at us? They must hate us for our freedoms. Yeah, that's it. Let's try that lie out on the evening news tonight.

Qadhi justifies stealing from Jews and Christians as "a means to establish monotheism on the land." He quotes Muhammad saying "I have been commanded to fight the people until they" convert and explains that "if they don't, their life and property are halal [free for the taking] to the Muslims."

Like the efforts by Christians to convert the native Americans. Kettle. Pot. Black.

In regard to truthfulness in sharia, again, as with stealing, Islam has many loopholes, and sharia clearly states that lying is an obligation under certain conditions, such as if it is for the benefit of Islam.

Again, Americans are "sophisticated" so they never say it's OK to prevaricate, but they do anyway. All. The. Time. Stop throwing rocks, you glass-house dweller.

Having fun? Do you have any more monsters under your bed that we need to dispel?

you've "dispelled" absolutely nothing and continue to miss the point entirely. Yes there are bad people doing these bad things in christian countries too, did anyone ever claim otherwise? NO, just you and your straw man arguments. The real point, that you are completely missing, is that Christianity believes in the ten commandments, it teaches us these things are wrong, while ISLAM and the quoran teach that its ok to commit all of these sins as long as you are doing it against non muslims. If you can't see the difference between Christianity and the ten commandments compared to what ISLAM believes then your bias has become so strong that you've lost all objectivity and reason. ISLAM took what God gave us and completely warped it under satans influence into a force for evil. That is a plain and simple fact and no matter how much you point out the sins of others that will not change what ISLAM is.

[Silver]

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/1057 ... mmandments

What Sharia Prescribes: Same as the Ten Commandments?

Islam was created 600 years after Christianity not to affirm the Bible, but to discredit it; not to co-exist with "the people of the book" -- Jews and Christians -- but to replace them.

It is hard to read Islamic law books without concluding that Islamic values are essentially "a rebellion against the Ten Commandments".

The natural man is an enemy to God. It has nothing to do with Sharia and almost everything to do with the influence of Satan. Neither Hitler nor Stalin nor Mao nor Genghis Khan were practitioners of Sharia law.

Islam violates the commandment "Thou shalt not murder" when Allah commanded Muslims to kill Allah's enemies, and in the process, kill and be killed in jihad if they are to be guaranteed heaven.

Every non-Muslim majority country in the world has prisons with murderers. Even the nominally Christian country of America has multiple murders per day. How many of the black-on-black murders committed in Chicago each day are a result of Sharia law? How many murdered fetus carcasses must God in heaven observe coming out of America's abortion clinics?

The concept of adultery and loyalty in marriage is totally different. Loyalty is expected from the woman under penalty of death, but men have a lot of room in that regard, the result of the rights of polygamy and temporary marriage for Muslim men. Thus, in Islam, the concept of marriage as a covenant of loyalty between one man and one woman does not exist.

How many American men who profess to be Christian regularly break their marriage vows. This painting of Islam as some sort of exclusive covenant-breaking religion is silly.

In regards to stealing, let us not be fooled by Islam's barbaric punishment for stealing with amputation of limbs. Islam is serious about stealing only when a Muslim steals from other Muslims. Killing and stealing are even connected in Islam: after killing non-Muslims in jihad, Muslims are rewarded with their property, their homes, businesses, women, and children, all of which are regarded legitimate booty, or spoils of war. Some people claim this does not exist today, but just try telling that to Middle Eastern Christians and Jews who have been robbed of their property and their land, and whose homes have been taken by Muslims.

British Petroleum was stealing Iran's oil. The Iranians didn't like it and elected a man to put a stop to it. The CIA overthrew him and installed the Shah. Selective amnesia much?

A leading imam and professor at Rhodes College in Memphis, Tennessee, Yasir Qadhi has said, "Muslims have the right to take the property of filthy Christians and Jews." Qadhi has been described by the New York Times Magazine as "one of the most influential conservative clerics in American Islam."

In America our traitorous leaders have been coached by the lawyers on what is politically correct to say in public. So of course they would never say that Christians have "the right to take the property of filthy" Muslims so you would have your cute little sound byte quote, but a simple observation of their actions would demonstrate that taking is exactly what they have been doing. All in the name of the mendacious "America's national security interests." Oh my! What is this blowback we're experiencing? Why would Muslims attack us for all our humanitarian bombing campaigns? I mean, Madeleine Albright said we were justified in killing 500,000 Iraqi children and they're just "filthy" Muslims anyway so why would they be angry at us? They must hate us for our freedoms. Yeah, that's it. Let's try that lie out on the evening news tonight.

Qadhi justifies stealing from Jews and Christians as "a means to establish monotheism on the land." He quotes Muhammad saying "I have been commanded to fight the people until they" convert and explains that "if they don't, their life and property are halal [free for the taking] to the Muslims."

Like the efforts by Christians to convert the native Americans. Kettle. Pot. Black.

In regard to truthfulness in sharia, again, as with stealing, Islam has many loopholes, and sharia clearly states that lying is an obligation under certain conditions, such as if it is for the benefit of Islam.

Again, Americans are "sophisticated" so they never say it's OK to prevaricate, but they do anyway. All. The. Time. Stop throwing rocks, you glass-house dweller.

Having fun? Do you have any more monsters under your bed that we need to dispel?

you've "dispelled" absolutely nothing and continue to miss the point entirely. Yes there are bad people doing these bad things in christian countries too, did anyone ever claim otherwise? NO, just you and your straw man arguments. The real point, that you are completely missing, is that Christianity believes in the ten commandments, it teaches us these things are wrong, while ISLAM and the quoran teach that its ok to commit all of these sins as long as you are doing it against non muslims. If you can't see the difference between Christianity and the ten commandments compared to what ISLAM believes then your bias has become so strong that you've lost all objectivity and reason. ISLAM took what God gave us and completely warped it under satans influence into a force for evil. That is a plain and simple fact and no matter how much you point out the sins of others that will not change what ISLAM is.

It's not that easy as President Uchtdorf explains:

"The Parable of the Two Sons (Matthew 21)

At the temple in Jerusalem, the chief priests and elders of the Jews approached Jesus to trap Him in His words. The Savior, however, turned the tables on them by telling a story.

“A certain man had two sons,” He began. The father went to the first and asked him to go work in the vineyard. But the son refused. Later that son “repented, and went.”

The father then went to his second son and asked him to go work in the vineyard. The second son assured him that he would go, but he never went.

Then the Savior turned to the priests and elders and asked, “Which one of these two sons did the will of his father?”

They had to admit that it was the first son—the one who said he would not go but later repented and went to work in the vineyard.4

The Savior used this story to emphasize an important principle—it is those who obey the commandments who truly love God.

Perhaps this is why Jesus asked the people to listen to and follow the words of the Pharisees and scribes but not to follow their example.5 These religious teachers did not walk the talk. They loved to talk about religion, but sadly they missed its essence."

[Silver]

Perhaps Rensai will be troubled with the multiple and ongoing cooperative efforts of the Church and Muslims. If the Church loves them, in spite of Sharia, maybe we should too. Maybe we should stop bombing them, eh?

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/8656 ... ugees.html

Mormons, Muslims work together to help refugees
Relief Society general president reaffirms LDS commitment at U.N. roundtable
By Dennis Romboy @dennisromboy
Published: April 13, 2017 3:15 p.m.
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Sister Jean B. Bingham, LDS Church Relief Society general president, speaks during a panel discussion on refugees at the United Nations in New York on April 13, 2017.

NEW YORK CITY — An LDS Church leader reaffirmed the faith’s commitment to working with religious groups and other agencies to provide humanitarian aid and help refugees around the world in a meeting at the United Nations Thursday.

Sister Jean B. Bingham, the church’s new Relief Society general president, said faith-based organizations need to build bridges, understand each other’s work and cooperate more.

"While beliefs may vary, we are united with other faiths in our commitment to a higher cause that transcends our personal interests and motivates us to give of our substance, our time and our energies on behalf of our fellow men and women,” she said during a panel discussion.

LDS Charities organized the event that brought together Islamic Relief USA, Episcopal Migration Ministries, UNICEF, the State Department and a resettled Afghani refugee as part of the U.N.'s Focus on Faith series. The discussion centered on the role of religious organizations in refugee assistance and resettlement. About 700 people attended.

Left on its own, Sister Bingham said, LDS Charities, the worldwide humanitarian arm of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, would have limited impact.

“When we reach out to other faith-based organizations, there is a certain affinity — a shared language, a common motivation — that allows our resources to complement each other. Our common purpose lends power to our work,” she said.

Anwar Khan, CEO of Islamic Relief USA, said people are surprised to learn that LDS Charities was his organization's first interfaith partner.

"It’s not what people expect. That's cool. We get to change the way that people think," he said.

The cooperation between the Muslim and Mormon relief groups started when they worked together to aid Somali refugees fleeing to Kenya in 2011.

"They don’t need to work with us. They can do it themselves. But we together can do it better," said Khan, who was born in Pakistan and grew up in England.

The U.N. Department of Public Information started the Focus on Faith series in 2008 as part of its weekly briefings for nongovernmental organizations, or NGOs. It explores how faith traditions, faith-based organizations and cultural groups around the world tie into the U.N. mission.

LDS Charities, which is officially recognized as an NGO, works with several global U.N. programs that aid refugees and provide food, medicine, clothing and supplies to people in poverty. In the U.S., it has assisted the nine federally authorized refugee resettlement agencies, six of which are based in a religion.

Sister Bingham traveled to Uganda with UNICEF representatives six weeks ago to observe a multipartner effort to address the needs of refugees arriving from South Sudan and neighboring countries. In addition to meeting immediate needs, LDS Charities and UNICEF are providing immunizations and educational services for children in the settlement centers.

"In meeting the newly arriving refugees, I could see the relief wash over them as they exited the crowded buses to find a friendly welcome and a hot meal," said Sister Bingham, who became the church’s Relief Society president on April 1.

Moderator Caryl Stern, president and CEO of the U.S. Fund for UNICEF, posed a question to the panelists about those who disagree and criticize efforts to help the world's 23 million refugees.

Khan said some organizations from conservative backgrounds have a hard time because they're perceived as siding with more politically progressive groups.

"I would say, 'What would Jesus do?' Again, I'm a Muslim," he said. "What would Jesus do?"

Khan said faiths have good things and bad things in their histories. And for those who refuse to donate because the funds might be used to help someone of a different religion, he said he tells them, "You need the money more than we do."

Sister Bingham, who taught English as a second language to elementary students at a private school as well as to immigrants and for other nonprofit organizations, said people should see themselves in refugees' shoes.

"What if their story were my story? When you look at it that way there is so much reason to reach out," she said.

In March 2016, her predecessor, Sister Linda K. Burton, used those words to invite Mormons to find ways to serve refugees living in their neighborhoods and communities.

"As we consider the pressing calls of those who need our help, let’s ask ourselves, ‘What if their story were my story?’” Sister Burton said during the women’s session of the church’s general conference last year. “May we then seek inspiration, act on impressions we receive and reach out in unity to help those in need as we are able and inspired to do so."

The LDS Church as recently as January spoke out on the plight of displaced people amid controversy over President Donald Trump's executive order banning refugees from seven Muslim countries.

"The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is concerned about the temporal and spiritual welfare of all of God's children across the earth, with special concern for those who are fleeing physical violence, war and religious persecution. The church urges all people and governments to cooperate fully in seeking the best solutions to meet human needs and relieve suffering,” according to a statement.

The Rev. Canon Mark Stevenson, director of Episcopal Migration Ministries, said he received hate emails just Thursday morning over helping refugees, and gets them often.

"What we try to do is invite people into a relationship with those who are immigrating here, who are coming here as refugees," he said. "If you're buying the public narrative that we're getting off the 24-hour news cycle, take a step back from that and go spend time in a community, a congregation that is working amongst refugees."

Abdul Saboor, a resettled refugee from Afghanistan, said people stopped by his house to offer help and take him to appointments when he first landed confused and marginalized in upstate New York.

"I didn't know what congregation they belonged to or identified themselves with. I didn't know which faith they were coming from, and at that point that was not the No. 1 concern on my list," he said. "But what I did learn by meeting this passionate group of people was that the community is willing to help people in need, and now I take pride in calling them my friends."

Saboor, a Syracuse University student, said that drove him to volunteer at Interfaith Works to help refugees resettle.

"If you begin to see yourself in them and you learn that we're all refugees in this world, then you're whole world will change," he said.

[Rensai]

Perhaps Rensai will be troubled with the multiple and ongoing cooperative efforts of the Church and Muslims. If the Church loves them, in spite of Sharia, maybe we should too. Maybe we should stop bombing them, eh?

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/8656 ... ugees.html

Mormons, Muslims work together to help refugees
Relief Society general president reaffirms LDS commitment at U.N. roundtable
By Dennis Romboy @dennisromboy
Published: April 13, 2017 3:15 p.m.
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Sister Jean B. Bingham, LDS Church Relief Society general president, speaks during a panel discussion on refugees at the United Nations in New York on April 13, 2017.

NEW YORK CITY — An LDS Church leader reaffirmed the faith’s commitment to working with religious groups and other agencies to provide humanitarian aid and help refugees around the world in a meeting at the United Nations Thursday.

Sister Jean B. Bingham, the church’s new Relief Society general president, said faith-based organizations need to build bridges, understand each other’s work and cooperate more.

"While beliefs may vary, we are united with other faiths in our commitment to a higher cause that transcends our personal interests and motivates us to give of our substance, our time and our energies on behalf of our fellow men and women,” she said during a panel discussion.

LDS Charities organized the event that brought together Islamic Relief USA, Episcopal Migration Ministries, UNICEF, the State Department and a resettled Afghani refugee as part of the U.N.'s Focus on Faith series. The discussion centered on the role of religious organizations in refugee assistance and resettlement. About 700 people attended.

Left on its own, Sister Bingham said, LDS Charities, the worldwide humanitarian arm of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, would have limited impact.

“When we reach out to other faith-based organizations, there is a certain affinity — a shared language, a common motivation — that allows our resources to complement each other. Our common purpose lends power to our work,” she said.

Anwar Khan, CEO of Islamic Relief USA, said people are surprised to learn that LDS Charities was his organization's first interfaith partner.

"It’s not what people expect. That's cool. We get to change the way that people think," he said.

The cooperation between the Muslim and Mormon relief groups started when they worked together to aid Somali refugees fleeing to Kenya in 2011.

"They don’t need to work with us. They can do it themselves. But we together can do it better," said Khan, who was born in Pakistan and grew up in England.

The U.N. Department of Public Information started the Focus on Faith series in 2008 as part of its weekly briefings for nongovernmental organizations, or NGOs. It explores how faith traditions, faith-based organizations and cultural groups around the world tie into the U.N. mission.

LDS Charities, which is officially recognized as an NGO, works with several global U.N. programs that aid refugees and provide food, medicine, clothing and supplies to people in poverty. In the U.S., it has assisted the nine federally authorized refugee resettlement agencies, six of which are based in a religion.

Sister Bingham traveled to Uganda with UNICEF representatives six weeks ago to observe a multipartner effort to address the needs of refugees arriving from South Sudan and neighboring countries. In addition to meeting immediate needs, LDS Charities and UNICEF are providing immunizations and educational services for children in the settlement centers.

"In meeting the newly arriving refugees, I could see the relief wash over them as they exited the crowded buses to find a friendly welcome and a hot meal," said Sister Bingham, who became the church’s Relief Society president on April 1.

Moderator Caryl Stern, president and CEO of the U.S. Fund for UNICEF, posed a question to the panelists about those who disagree and criticize efforts to help the world's 23 million refugees.

Khan said some organizations from conservative backgrounds have a hard time because they're perceived as siding with more politically progressive groups.

"I would say, 'What would Jesus do?' Again, I'm a Muslim," he said. "What would Jesus do?"

Khan said faiths have good things and bad things in their histories. And for those who refuse to donate because the funds might be used to help someone of a different religion, he said he tells them, "You need the money more than we do."

Sister Bingham, who taught English as a second language to elementary students at a private school as well as to immigrants and for other nonprofit organizations, said people should see themselves in refugees' shoes.

"What if their story were my story? When you look at it that way there is so much reason to reach out," she said.

In March 2016, her predecessor, Sister Linda K. Burton, used those words to invite Mormons to find ways to serve refugees living in their neighborhoods and communities.

"As we consider the pressing calls of those who need our help, let’s ask ourselves, ‘What if their story were my story?’” Sister Burton said during the women’s session of the church’s general conference last year. “May we then seek inspiration, act on impressions we receive and reach out in unity to help those in need as we are able and inspired to do so."

The LDS Church as recently as January spoke out on the plight of displaced people amid controversy over President Donald Trump's executive order banning refugees from seven Muslim countries.

"The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is concerned about the temporal and spiritual welfare of all of God's children across the earth, with special concern for those who are fleeing physical violence, war and religious persecution. The church urges all people and governments to cooperate fully in seeking the best solutions to meet human needs and relieve suffering,” according to a statement.

The Rev. Canon Mark Stevenson, director of Episcopal Migration Ministries, said he received hate emails just Thursday morning over helping refugees, and gets them often.

"What we try to do is invite people into a relationship with those who are immigrating here, who are coming here as refugees," he said. "If you're buying the public narrative that we're getting off the 24-hour news cycle, take a step back from that and go spend time in a community, a congregation that is working amongst refugees."

Abdul Saboor, a resettled refugee from Afghanistan, said people stopped by his house to offer help and take him to appointments when he first landed confused and marginalized in upstate New York.

"I didn't know what congregation they belonged to or identified themselves with. I didn't know which faith they were coming from, and at that point that was not the No. 1 concern on my list," he said. "But what I did learn by meeting this passionate group of people was that the community is willing to help people in need, and now I take pride in calling them my friends."

Saboor, a Syracuse University student, said that drove him to volunteer at Interfaith Works to help refugees resettle.

"If you begin to see yourself in them and you learn that we're all refugees in this world, then you're whole world will change," he said.

For umpteenth time, no I don't support bombing muslims, at least not in the offensive wars and ways its being done now. I would support it in a defensive situation though.

As for the church, yes it is troubling. I see their actions as being motivated by PR or political correctness rather than standing up firmly for what is right, just as they have continued towards tolerance and appeasement of the LGBT folks. Its clearly not right or inline with the scriptures and I hope they will see that and change direction. Either way, I will continue to support what I believe is right.

[Rensai]

https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/1057 ... mmandments

Having fun? Do you have any more monsters under your bed that we need to dispel?

you've "dispelled" absolutely nothing and continue to miss the point entirely. Yes there are bad people doing these bad things in christian countries too, did anyone ever claim otherwise? NO, just you and your straw man arguments. The real point, that you are completely missing, is that Christianity believes in the ten commandments, it teaches us these things are wrong, while ISLAM and the quoran teach that its ok to commit all of these sins as long as you are doing it against non muslims. If you can't see the difference between Christianity and the ten commandments compared to what ISLAM believes then your bias has become so strong that you've lost all objectivity and reason. ISLAM took what God gave us and completely warped it under satans influence into a force for evil. That is a plain and simple fact and no matter how much you point out the sins of others that will not change what ISLAM is.

It's not that easy as President Uchtdorf explains:

"The Parable of the Two Sons (Matthew 21)

At the temple in Jerusalem, the chief priests and elders of the Jews approached Jesus to trap Him in His words. The Savior, however, turned the tables on them by telling a story.

“A certain man had two sons,” He began. The father went to the first and asked him to go work in the vineyard. But the son refused. Later that son “repented, and went.”

The father then went to his second son and asked him to go work in the vineyard. The second son assured him that he would go, but he never went.

Then the Savior turned to the priests and elders and asked, “Which one of these two sons did the will of his father?”

They had to admit that it was the first son—the one who said he would not go but later repented and went to work in the vineyard.4

The Savior used this story to emphasize an important principle—it is those who obey the commandments who truly love God.

Perhaps this is why Jesus asked the people to listen to and follow the words of the Pharisees and scribes but not to follow their example.5 These religious teachers did not walk the talk. They loved to talk about religion, but sadly they missed its essence."

You're going to have to explain that one more. I don't see how that applies at all.

[Silver]

Perhaps Rensai will be troubled with the multiple and ongoing cooperative efforts of the Church and Muslims. If the Church loves them, in spite of Sharia, maybe we should too. Maybe we should stop bombing them, eh?

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/8656 ... ugees.html

Mormons, Muslims work together to help refugees
Relief Society general president reaffirms LDS commitment at U.N. roundtable
By Dennis Romboy @dennisromboy
Published: April 13, 2017 3:15 p.m.
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View 9 ItemsDennis Romboy
Sister Jean B. Bingham, LDS Church Relief Society general president, speaks during a panel discussion on refugees at the United Nations in New York on April 13, 2017.

NEW YORK CITY — An LDS Church leader reaffirmed the faith’s commitment to working with religious groups and other agencies to provide humanitarian aid and help refugees around the world in a meeting at the United Nations Thursday.

Sister Jean B. Bingham, the church’s new Relief Society general president, said faith-based organizations need to build bridges, understand each other’s work and cooperate more.

"While beliefs may vary, we are united with other faiths in our commitment to a higher cause that transcends our personal interests and motivates us to give of our substance, our time and our energies on behalf of our fellow men and women,” she said during a panel discussion.

LDS Charities organized the event that brought together Islamic Relief USA, Episcopal Migration Ministries, UNICEF, the State Department and a resettled Afghani refugee as part of the U.N.'s Focus on Faith series. The discussion centered on the role of religious organizations in refugee assistance and resettlement. About 700 people attended.

Left on its own, Sister Bingham said, LDS Charities, the worldwide humanitarian arm of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, would have limited impact.

“When we reach out to other faith-based organizations, there is a certain affinity — a shared language, a common motivation — that allows our resources to complement each other. Our common purpose lends power to our work,” she said.

Anwar Khan, CEO of Islamic Relief USA, said people are surprised to learn that LDS Charities was his organization's first interfaith partner.

"It’s not what people expect. That's cool. We get to change the way that people think," he said.

The cooperation between the Muslim and Mormon relief groups started when they worked together to aid Somali refugees fleeing to Kenya in 2011.

"They don’t need to work with us. They can do it themselves. But we together can do it better," said Khan, who was born in Pakistan and grew up in England.

The U.N. Department of Public Information started the Focus on Faith series in 2008 as part of its weekly briefings for nongovernmental organizations, or NGOs. It explores how faith traditions, faith-based organizations and cultural groups around the world tie into the U.N. mission.

LDS Charities, which is officially recognized as an NGO, works with several global U.N. programs that aid refugees and provide food, medicine, clothing and supplies to people in poverty. In the U.S., it has assisted the nine federally authorized refugee resettlement agencies, six of which are based in a religion.

Sister Bingham traveled to Uganda with UNICEF representatives six weeks ago to observe a multipartner effort to address the needs of refugees arriving from South Sudan and neighboring countries. In addition to meeting immediate needs, LDS Charities and UNICEF are providing immunizations and educational services for children in the settlement centers.

"In meeting the newly arriving refugees, I could see the relief wash over them as they exited the crowded buses to find a friendly welcome and a hot meal," said Sister Bingham, who became the church’s Relief Society president on April 1.

Moderator Caryl Stern, president and CEO of the U.S. Fund for UNICEF, posed a question to the panelists about those who disagree and criticize efforts to help the world's 23 million refugees.

Khan said some organizations from conservative backgrounds have a hard time because they're perceived as siding with more politically progressive groups.

"I would say, 'What would Jesus do?' Again, I'm a Muslim," he said. "What would Jesus do?"

Khan said faiths have good things and bad things in their histories. And for those who refuse to donate because the funds might be used to help someone of a different religion, he said he tells them, "You need the money more than we do."

Sister Bingham, who taught English as a second language to elementary students at a private school as well as to immigrants and for other nonprofit organizations, said people should see themselves in refugees' shoes.

"What if their story were my story? When you look at it that way there is so much reason to reach out," she said.

In March 2016, her predecessor, Sister Linda K. Burton, used those words to invite Mormons to find ways to serve refugees living in their neighborhoods and communities.

"As we consider the pressing calls of those who need our help, let’s ask ourselves, ‘What if their story were my story?’” Sister Burton said during the women’s session of the church’s general conference last year. “May we then seek inspiration, act on impressions we receive and reach out in unity to help those in need as we are able and inspired to do so."

The LDS Church as recently as January spoke out on the plight of displaced people amid controversy over President Donald Trump's executive order banning refugees from seven Muslim countries.

"The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is concerned about the temporal and spiritual welfare of all of God's children across the earth, with special concern for those who are fleeing physical violence, war and religious persecution. The church urges all people and governments to cooperate fully in seeking the best solutions to meet human needs and relieve suffering,” according to a statement.

The Rev. Canon Mark Stevenson, director of Episcopal Migration Ministries, said he received hate emails just Thursday morning over helping refugees, and gets them often.

"What we try to do is invite people into a relationship with those who are immigrating here, who are coming here as refugees," he said. "If you're buying the public narrative that we're getting off the 24-hour news cycle, take a step back from that and go spend time in a community, a congregation that is working amongst refugees."

Abdul Saboor, a resettled refugee from Afghanistan, said people stopped by his house to offer help and take him to appointments when he first landed confused and marginalized in upstate New York.

"I didn't know what congregation they belonged to or identified themselves with. I didn't know which faith they were coming from, and at that point that was not the No. 1 concern on my list," he said. "But what I did learn by meeting this passionate group of people was that the community is willing to help people in need, and now I take pride in calling them my friends."

Saboor, a Syracuse University student, said that drove him to volunteer at Interfaith Works to help refugees resettle.

"If you begin to see yourself in them and you learn that we're all refugees in this world, then you're whole world will change," he said.

For umpteenth time, no I don't support bombing muslims, at least not in the offensive wars and ways its being done now. I would support it in a defensive situation though.

As for the church, yes it is troubling. I see their actions as being motivated by PR or political correctness rather than standing up firmly for what is right, just as they have continued towards tolerance and appeasement of the LGBT folks. Its clearly not right or inline with the scriptures and I hope they will see that and change direction. Either way, I will continue to support what I believe is right.

Now I understand. You think you know better than the prophets, seers and revelators. That explains a lot. To quote you then: "I will continue to support what I believe is right," which is, as Joseph Smith taught, always stick with the majority of the apostles and the records of the church.

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Having fun? Do you have any more monsters under your bed that we need to dispel?

you've "dispelled" absolutely nothing and continue to miss the point entirely. Yes there are bad people doing these bad things in christian countries too, did anyone ever claim otherwise? NO, just you and your straw man arguments. The real point, that you are completely missing, is that Christianity believes in the ten commandments, it teaches us these things are wrong, while ISLAM and the quoran teach that its ok to commit all of these sins as long as you are doing it against non muslims. If you can't see the difference between Christianity and the ten commandments compared to what ISLAM believes then your bias has become so strong that you've lost all objectivity and reason. ISLAM took what God gave us and completely warped it under satans influence into a force for evil. That is a plain and simple fact and no matter how much you point out the sins of others that will not change what ISLAM is.

It's not that easy as President Uchtdorf explains:

"The Parable of the Two Sons (Matthew 21)

At the temple in Jerusalem, the chief priests and elders of the Jews approached Jesus to trap Him in His words. The Savior, however, turned the tables on them by telling a story.

“A certain man had two sons,” He began. The father went to the first and asked him to go work in the vineyard. But the son refused. Later that son “repented, and went.”

The father then went to his second son and asked him to go work in the vineyard. The second son assured him that he would go, but he never went.

Then the Savior turned to the priests and elders and asked, “Which one of these two sons did the will of his father?”

They had to admit that it was the first son—the one who said he would not go but later repented and went to work in the vineyard.4

The Savior used this story to emphasize an important principle—it is those who obey the commandments who truly love God.

Perhaps this is why Jesus asked the people to listen to and follow the words of the Pharisees and scribes but not to follow their example.5 These religious teachers did not walk the talk. They loved to talk about religion, but sadly they missed its essence."

You're going to have to explain that one more. I don't see how that applies at all.

Christians "say" they will obey the commandments and then kill millions yearly. Muslims, who lack the knowledge of Christians, will not be held to the same standard. Now will you pray for them and be kind to them? That's what Jesus wants you to do.

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Perhaps Rensai will be troubled with the multiple and ongoing cooperative efforts of the Church and Muslims. If the Church loves them, in spite of Sharia, maybe we should too. Maybe we should stop bombing them, eh?

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/8656 ... ugees.html

Mormons, Muslims work together to help refugees
Relief Society general president reaffirms LDS commitment at U.N. roundtable
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Sister Jean B. Bingham, LDS Church Relief Society general president, speaks during a panel discussion on refugees at the United Nations in New York on April 13, 2017.

NEW YORK CITY — An LDS Church leader reaffirmed the faith’s commitment to working with religious groups and other agencies to provide humanitarian aid and help refugees around the world in a meeting at the United Nations Thursday.

Sister Jean B. Bingham, the church’s new Relief Society general president, said faith-based organizations need to build bridges, understand each other’s work and cooperate more.

"While beliefs may vary, we are united with other faiths in our commitment to a higher cause that transcends our personal interests and motivates us to give of our substance, our time and our energies on behalf of our fellow men and women,” she said during a panel discussion.

LDS Charities organized the event that brought together Islamic Relief USA, Episcopal Migration Ministries, UNICEF, the State Department and a resettled Afghani refugee as part of the U.N.'s Focus on Faith series. The discussion centered on the role of religious organizations in refugee assistance and resettlement. About 700 people attended.

Left on its own, Sister Bingham said, LDS Charities, the worldwide humanitarian arm of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, would have limited impact.

“When we reach out to other faith-based organizations, there is a certain affinity — a shared language, a common motivation — that allows our resources to complement each other. Our common purpose lends power to our work,” she said.

Anwar Khan, CEO of Islamic Relief USA, said people are surprised to learn that LDS Charities was his organization's first interfaith partner.

"It’s not what people expect. That's cool. We get to change the way that people think," he said.

The cooperation between the Muslim and Mormon relief groups started when they worked together to aid Somali refugees fleeing to Kenya in 2011.

"They don’t need to work with us. They can do it themselves. But we together can do it better," said Khan, who was born in Pakistan and grew up in England.

The U.N. Department of Public Information started the Focus on Faith series in 2008 as part of its weekly briefings for nongovernmental organizations, or NGOs. It explores how faith traditions, faith-based organizations and cultural groups around the world tie into the U.N. mission.

LDS Charities, which is officially recognized as an NGO, works with several global U.N. programs that aid refugees and provide food, medicine, clothing and supplies to people in poverty. In the U.S., it has assisted the nine federally authorized refugee resettlement agencies, six of which are based in a religion.

Sister Bingham traveled to Uganda with UNICEF representatives six weeks ago to observe a multipartner effort to address the needs of refugees arriving from South Sudan and neighboring countries. In addition to meeting immediate needs, LDS Charities and UNICEF are providing immunizations and educational services for children in the settlement centers.

"In meeting the newly arriving refugees, I could see the relief wash over them as they exited the crowded buses to find a friendly welcome and a hot meal," said Sister Bingham, who became the church’s Relief Society president on April 1.

Moderator Caryl Stern, president and CEO of the U.S. Fund for UNICEF, posed a question to the panelists about those who disagree and criticize efforts to help the world's 23 million refugees.

Khan said some organizations from conservative backgrounds have a hard time because they're perceived as siding with more politically progressive groups.

"I would say, 'What would Jesus do?' Again, I'm a Muslim," he said. "What would Jesus do?"

Khan said faiths have good things and bad things in their histories. And for those who refuse to donate because the funds might be used to help someone of a different religion, he said he tells them, "You need the money more than we do."

Sister Bingham, who taught English as a second language to elementary students at a private school as well as to immigrants and for other nonprofit organizations, said people should see themselves in refugees' shoes.

"What if their story were my story? When you look at it that way there is so much reason to reach out," she said.

In March 2016, her predecessor, Sister Linda K. Burton, used those words to invite Mormons to find ways to serve refugees living in their neighborhoods and communities.

"As we consider the pressing calls of those who need our help, let’s ask ourselves, ‘What if their story were my story?’” Sister Burton said during the women’s session of the church’s general conference last year. “May we then seek inspiration, act on impressions we receive and reach out in unity to help those in need as we are able and inspired to do so."

The LDS Church as recently as January spoke out on the plight of displaced people amid controversy over President Donald Trump's executive order banning refugees from seven Muslim countries.

"The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is concerned about the temporal and spiritual welfare of all of God's children across the earth, with special concern for those who are fleeing physical violence, war and religious persecution. The church urges all people and governments to cooperate fully in seeking the best solutions to meet human needs and relieve suffering,” according to a statement.

The Rev. Canon Mark Stevenson, director of Episcopal Migration Ministries, said he received hate emails just Thursday morning over helping refugees, and gets them often.

"What we try to do is invite people into a relationship with those who are immigrating here, who are coming here as refugees," he said. "If you're buying the public narrative that we're getting off the 24-hour news cycle, take a step back from that and go spend time in a community, a congregation that is working amongst refugees."

Abdul Saboor, a resettled refugee from Afghanistan, said people stopped by his house to offer help and take him to appointments when he first landed confused and marginalized in upstate New York.

"I didn't know what congregation they belonged to or identified themselves with. I didn't know which faith they were coming from, and at that point that was not the No. 1 concern on my list," he said. "But what I did learn by meeting this passionate group of people was that the community is willing to help people in need, and now I take pride in calling them my friends."

Saboor, a Syracuse University student, said that drove him to volunteer at Interfaith Works to help refugees resettle.

"If you begin to see yourself in them and you learn that we're all refugees in this world, then you're whole world will change," he said.

For umpteenth time, no I don't support bombing muslims, at least not in the offensive wars and ways its being done now. I would support it in a defensive situation though.

As for the church, yes it is troubling. I see their actions as being motivated by PR or political correctness rather than standing up firmly for what is right, just as they have continued towards tolerance and appeasement of the LGBT folks. Its clearly not right or inline with the scriptures and I hope they will see that and change direction. Either way, I will continue to support what I believe is right.

Now I understand. You think you know better than the prophets, seers and revelators. That explains a lot. To quote you then: "I will continue to support what I believe is right," which is, as Joseph Smith taught, always stick with the majority of the apostles and the records of the church.

First, if you do some research that quote you attribute to Joseph is almost certainly false since the records of the church didn't go with the LDS split and at times the majority of the twelve were in open rebellion against Joseph it seems unlikely that he would say that and the source and timing for the quote is suspect as well. But no matter, I'm an older guy and I remember a time when the church used to teach us to follow Christ the best we could and do what we think is right, even if we disagree with the church on some things, that was ok. The church is far from infallible, they have made many mistakes and been in the wrong in the past. That is a simple statement of fact. Are they wrong to help the muslims invade the US? I believe so, but time will tell. If I am wrong, I will gladly change my mind when more evidence comes along.

Secondly, this is not a doctrinal issue per se. When has the church claimed to receive a revelation on this? The answer is of course, they have not. They are simply using their best judgement, and just like with the scouts or so many other things, they may change their mind again at any time. If you believe we must blindly follow them and their views on everything then you are wrong and I must warn you, you are likely on the path to the Telestial kingdom with that kind of thinking.

98 And the glory of the telestial is one, even as the glory of the stars is one; for as one star differs from another star in glory, even so differs one from another in glory in the telestial world;

99 For these are they who are of Paul, and of Apollos, and of Cephas.

100 These are they who say they are some of one and some of another—some of Christ and some of John, and some of Moses, and some of Elias, and some of Esaias, and some of Isaiah, and some of Enoch;

See that, being some of one and some of another, even some of real prophets, doesn't work because they all have their own ideas, etc. You must be 100% behind Christ and him alone if you want to move up any higher than a telestial kingdom.

Joseph smith clearly taught this and said that we are only obligated to follow the prophet when he is speaking as such. If the prophet is speaking for God he must give us a clear, word for word revelation from God. Anything else is just his opinion and it is prone to error like anyone else's. Other church leaders in the past have taught this as well. Here are a few quotes.

“It makes no difference what is written or what anyone has said, if what has been said is in conflict with what the Lord has revealed, we can set it aside. My words, and the teachings of any other member of the Church, high or low, if they do not square with the revelations, we need not accept them. Let us have this matter clear. We have accepted the four standard works as the measuring yardsticks, or balances, by which we measure every man’s doctrine” (Doctrines of Salvation,3:203).

This next one is straight out of the lesson manual.

Using one or both of the following statements from Elder Harold B. Lee, then a member of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles, discuss why the scriptures are called the standard works:

“How do we measure whether or not one’s teachings are true or false? If anyone teaches beyond what the scriptures teach, we may put it down as speculation except one man who has the right to bring forth any new doctrine—that is the one man who holds the keys—the prophet, seer, and revelator who presides in that high place. And no one else. If anyone presumes to bring forth what he claims to be new doctrine you may know that it is purely his own opinion and you label it as such regardless of his position in the Church. If it contradicts something that is in the scriptures, you may label it immediately that it is false. That is why we call the scriptures our four Standard Church Works. They are the standards by which we measure all doctrine and if anything is taught which is contrary to that which is in the scriptures, it is false. It is just that simple” (“Viewpoint of a Giant,” 6).

“All that we teach in this Church ought to be couched in the scriptures. It ought to be found in the scriptures. We ought to choose our texts from the scriptures. If we want to measure truth, we should measure it by the four standard works, regardless of who writes it. If it is not in the standard works, we may well assume that it is speculation, man’s own personal opinion; and if it contradicts what is in the scriptures, it is not true. This is the standard by which we measure all truth” (“Using the Scriptures in Our Church Assignments,” Improvement Era, Jan. 1969, 13).

I believe I have done this and taken the scriptures for my guide. I have shown you scriptures in other threads that state plainly that Christ wants only Christians who are trying to follow him here in america, it is a reserved, promised land. Its also consistent with the israelites and nephites being allowed to defend their lands and keep the pagans out, etc. Christ supported them in that time and again. I think its clear we can treat the muslims with love and kindness, help them as we can, but still keep them out of our lands to keep our families safe and keep their satanic beliefs out and far from our children. There are so many scriptures that support that, that I'm sure you will have no trouble thinking of times God helped the righteous people fight to be safe from the wicked. At none of those times did he say, well, I want you to be loving, so open the gates and let the barbarians in.

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I believe I have done this and taken the scriptures for my guide. I have shown you scriptures in other threads that state plainly that Christ wants only Christians who are trying to follow him here in america, it is a reserved, promised land. Its also consistent with the israelites and nephites being allowed to defend their lands and keep the pagans out, etc. Christ supported them in that time and again. I think its clear we can treat the muslims with love and kindness, help them as we can, but still keep them out of our lands to keep our families safe and keep their satanic beliefs out and far from our children. There are so many scriptures that support that, that I'm sure you will have no trouble thinking of times God helped the righteous people fight to be safe from the wicked. At none of those times did he say, well, I want you to be loving, so open the gates and let the barbarians in.

Scriptures, eh? Then I give you faith, hope and charity. And as you surely know, charity is the greatest of all. Until you offer the Muslims some of that your mind won't change.

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I believe I have done this and taken the scriptures for my guide. I have shown you scriptures in other threads that state plainly that Christ wants only Christians who are trying to follow him here in america, it is a reserved, promised land. Its also consistent with the israelites and nephites being allowed to defend their lands and keep the pagans out, etc. Christ supported them in that time and again. I think its clear we can treat the muslims with love and kindness, help them as we can, but still keep them out of our lands to keep our families safe and keep their satanic beliefs out and far from our children. There are so many scriptures that support that, that I'm sure you will have no trouble thinking of times God helped the righteous people fight to be safe from the wicked. At none of those times did he say, well, I want you to be loving, so open the gates and let the barbarians in.

Scriptures, eh? Then I give you faith, hope and charity. And as you surely know, charity is the greatest of all. Until you offer the Muslims some of that your mind won't change.

If it was purely a matter of charity, our money and efforts would go a lot farther by helping them in their own countries.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... fugee-u-s/

The estimated cost to resettle an average, single Middle Eastern refugee in the U.S. over the first five years is $64,370 — or 12 times the United Nations estimates it costs to support a refugee staying in a neighboring Middle Eastern country, according to an analysis from the Center for Immigration Studies.

12x the cost... so for every person we bring here, we could help 12 for the same amount of money if we left them over there. Also, isn't it curious that most the refugees are going to Europe, the US, Australia, etc and far fewer go to actual muslim countries? Also, why is it that the vast majority of these refugees are young fighting age men? Do you think maybe there's more going on here than just a charity situation? Now add to that that many muslims leaders are openly talking about conquering the west through these mass migration tactics. Don't forget the massive bribes from Saudi Arabia Hillary was caught taking, Can we extrapolate a bit and safely assume other leaders are taking bribes from rich oil producing Muslims? Its not hard to come up with a lot of reasons and evidence to be concerned here.

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I believe I have done this and taken the scriptures for my guide. I have shown you scriptures in other threads that state plainly that Christ wants only Christians who are trying to follow him here in america, it is a reserved, promised land. Its also consistent with the israelites and nephites being allowed to defend their lands and keep the pagans out, etc. Christ supported them in that time and again. I think its clear we can treat the muslims with love and kindness, help them as we can, but still keep them out of our lands to keep our families safe and keep their satanic beliefs out and far from our children. There are so many scriptures that support that, that I'm sure you will have no trouble thinking of times God helped the righteous people fight to be safe from the wicked. At none of those times did he say, well, I want you to be loving, so open the gates and let the barbarians in.

Scriptures, eh? Then I give you faith, hope and charity. And as you surely know, charity is the greatest of all. Until you offer the Muslims some of that your mind won't change.

If it was purely a matter of charity, our money and efforts would go a lot farther by helping them in their own countries.
http://www.breitbart.com/big-government ... fugee-u-s/

The estimated cost to resettle an average, single Middle Eastern refugee in the U.S. over the first five years is $64,370 — or 12 times the United Nations estimates it costs to support a refugee staying in a neighboring Middle Eastern country, according to an analysis from the Center for Immigration Studies.

12x the cost... so for every person we bring here, we could help 12 for the same amount of money if we left them over there. Also, isn't it curious that most the refugees are going to Europe, the US, Australia, etc and far fewer go to actual muslim countries? Also, why is it that the vast majority of these refugees are young fighting age men? Do you think maybe there's more going on here than just a charity situation? Now add to that that many muslims leaders are openly talking about conquering the west through these mass migration tactics. Don't forget the massive bribes from Saudi Arabia Hillary was caught taking, Can we extrapolate a bit and safely assume other leaders are taking bribes from rich oil producing Muslims? Its not hard to come up with a lot of reasons and evidence to be concerned here.

Since you've got the smarts to see that Saudi Arabia is not accepting those young men of fighting age, isn't your real struggle with a Trump (and earlier) administration which is in cahoots with the Israelis and Saudis to foment uprisings in the Middle East? Stop the intrigue and deception. Stop the bombing and those proverbial fighting men you fear will stay home.

Oh, and don't forget that you need charity for those that are here. I suspect that you can't make a happy face to them if you were to meet one of them this afternoon while harboring the feelings you have for them.