Secret Combinations and LDSs

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In the Forward to Brother Jack Monnett's book " Awakening To Our Awful Situation - Warnings from the Nephite Prophets", World Affairs Brief Editor, Brother Joel Skousen wrote: "The LDS faith is a great advantage in this world of deception. It is the only church with multiple scriptures warning the Saints to beware of these powerful secret combinations. The Book of Mormon, in particular, points out the way they operate, specifically touching upon their ability to use government and judges to provide cover and immunity....most Mormons pay little attention to this threat....it is disguised and not obvious to the cursory glance....But with those Book of Mormon warnings comes a grave responsibility to see the danger within and warn others, lest we be partially responsible for the fall of liberty. No, its not something you can leave to gevernment, because the modern day Gadianton robbers have fully taken over large parts of government...." In the last paragraph of the Forward Joel wrote: "If....you cannot sense that something is wrong, you will have to await the grand announcements of the Second Coming -- when the secret acts of men throughout all the history of the earth will all be revealed."

Nephi son of Lehi prophesied "concerning the last days;" and included in his prophecy that there will be "secret combinations, even as in times of old, according to the combinations of the devil,..." [2 Nephi 26: 14& 22].

Helaman and his son Nephi gave us excellent detailed insights into the evil works of secret combinations in their time. The goal of those conspiracies was "to rule and do according to their wills, that they might get gain and glory...." by plundering wealth and taking control of government.

And Moroni gave us further warning and commandment in writing "....suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you. . . . Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination which shall be among you." and "....awake to a sense of your awful situation. . . ." [Ether 8:20-26]. President Boyd K. Packer reminded us of these statements most recently in the August 2010 Ensign Magazine [Page 23].

In the October 1988 Church General Conference, President Ezra Taft Benson told us that "Secret combinations lusting for power, gain and glory are flourishing. A secret combination that seeks to overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations and countries is increasing its evil influence and control over America and the entire world." Other latter-day prophets and apostles have given us similar such warnings.

But are Latter-day Saints generally awake and alert to this "awful situation"? We have been given commandments to read the scriptures, to be involved in learning about government, history, current events, and prophecy [D&C 88:79 and President Dieter Uchtdorf's reminder of this commandment in the October 2009 General Priesthood Meeting]. We have been told by almost every latter-day prophet and many apostles of the vital importance of studying, defending, upholding and abiding by the Constitution of the United States, with emphasis on understanding the original intent of the Founding Fathers who wrote it under the inspiration of the Lord. The ball is in our court.

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Even in a freedom and liberty loving LDS forum we find people who don't have a clue as to the "awful situation" we are in and are caught in the "bread and circus" matrix set up to ensnare "even the elect"...que lastima

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Well said, 2BFree

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Most LDS people are asleep along with the rest of the nation. Thanks for this post post though! This is probably the first time that I realized that we are actually "COMMANDED" to awaken to our awful situation.

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https://byustudies.byu.edu/content/volume-6-chapter-33

Reflections of the Prophet on Exposing Wickedness.

Said Joseph, "Our lives have already become jeopardized by revealing the wicked and bloodthirsty purposes of our enemies; and for the future we must cease to do so. All we have said about them is truth, but it is not always wise to relate all the truth. Even Jesus, the Son of God had to refrain from doing so, and had to restrain His feelings many times for the safety of Himself and His followers, and had to conceal the righteous purposes of His heart in relation to many things pertaining to His Father's kingdom. When still a boy He had all the intelligence necessary to enable Him to rule and govern the kingdom of the Jews, and could reason with the wisest and most profound doctors of law and divinity, and make their theories and practice to appear like folly compared with the wisdom He possessed; but He was a boy only, and lacked physical strength even to defend His own person, and was subject to cold, to hunger and to death. So it is with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints; we have the revelation of Jesus, and the knowledge within us is sufficient to organize a righteous government upon the earth, and to give universal peace to all mankind, if they would receive it, but we lack the physical strength, as did our Savior when a child, to defend our principles, and we have of necessity to be afflicted, persecuted and smitten, and to bear it patiently until Jacob is of age, then he will take care of himself."

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I think that statement by Joseph Smith explains why in our day the Church authorities no longer make statements in Church general conferences about secret combinations, or even admonish members to learn, uphold and abide by the U.S. Constitution.

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JohnnyL wrote: November 19th, 2017, 8:31 pm https://byustudies.byu.edu/content/volume-6-chapter-33

Reflections of the Prophet on Exposing Wickedness.

Said Joseph, "Our lives have already become jeopardized by revealing the wicked and bloodthirsty purposes of our enemies; and for the future we must cease to do so. All we have said about them is truth, but it is not always wise to relate all the truth. Even Jesus, the Son of God had to refrain from doing so, and had to restrain His feelings many times for the safety of Himself and His followers, and had to conceal the righteous purposes of His heart in relation to many things pertaining to His Father's kingdom. When still a boy He had all the intelligence necessary to enable Him to rule and govern the kingdom of the Jews, and could reason with the wisest and most profound doctors of law and divinity, and make their theories and practice to appear like folly compared with the wisdom He possessed; but He was a boy only, and lacked physical strength even to defend His own person, and was subject to cold, to hunger and to death. So it is with the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints; we have the revelation of Jesus, and the knowledge within us is sufficient to organize a righteous government upon the earth, and to give universal peace to all mankind, if they would receive it, but we lack the physical strength, as did our Savior when a child, to defend our principles, and we have of necessity to be afflicted, persecuted and smitten, and to bear it patiently until Jacob is of age, then he will take care of himself."
Thank you for that link. I had never heard that quote before or seen the details of that day.

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The scriptures say this:
D&C 123:

1 AND again, we would suggest for your consideration the propriety of all the saints agathering up a knowledge of all the facts, and bsufferings and abuses put upon them by the people of this State;
2 And also of all the property and amount of damages which they have sustained, both of character and personal ainjuries, as well as real property;
3 And also the names of all persons that have had a hand in their oppressions, as far as they can get hold of them and find them out.
4 And perhaps a committee can be appointed to find out these things, and to take statements and affidavits; and also to gather up the libelous publications that are afloat;
5 And all that are in the magazines, and in the encyclopedias, and all the libelous histories that are published, and are writing, and by whom, and present the whole concatenation of diabolical rascality and nefarious and murderous impositions that have been practised upon this people—
6 That we may not only publish to all the world, but present them to the aheads of government in all their dark and hellish hue, as the last effort which is enjoined on us by our Heavenly Father, before we can fully and completely claim that promise which shall call him forth from his bhiding place; and also that the whole nation may be left without excuse before he can send forth the power of his mighty arm.
7 It is an imperative duty that we owe to God, to angels, with whom we shall be brought to stand, and also to ourselves, to our wives and children, who have been made to bow down with grief, sorrow, and care, under the most damning hand of murder, tyranny, and oppression, supported and urged on and upheld by the influence of that spirit which hath so strongly riveted the creeds of the fathers, who have inherited lies, upon the hearts of the children, and filled the world with confusion, and has been growing stronger and stronger, and is now the very mainspring of all corruption, and the whole dearth groans under the weight of its iniquity.
8 It is an iron yoke, it is a strong band; they are the very handcuffs, and chains, and shackles, and fetters of hell.
9 Therefore it is an imperative duty that we owe, not only to our own wives and children, but to the widows and fatherless, whose husbands and fathers have been murdered under its iron hand;
10 Which dark and blackening deeds are enough to make hell itself shudder, and to stand aghast and pale, and the hands of the very devil to tremble and palsy.
11 And also it is an imperative duty that we owe to all the rising generation, and to all the pure in heart—
12 For there are many yet on the earth among all sects, parties, and denominations, who are blinded by the subtle craftiness of men, whereby they lie in wait to deceive, and who are only kept from the truth because they dknow not where to find it—
13 Therefore, that we should waste and wear out our lives in bringing to light all the bhidden things of darkness, wherein we know them; and they are truly manifest from heaven—
14 These should then be attended to with great earnestness.

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One may reconcile these passages with this enlightening warning from the Lord:

72 And now I say unto you, keep these things from going abroad unto the world until it is expedient in me, that ye may accomplish this work in the eyes of the people, and in the eyes of your enemies, that they may not know your works until ye have accomplished the thing which I have commanded you;
73 That when they shall know it, that they may consider these things.
D&C 45

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I love this post. There are few things that bother me the most:

1) Many LDS are blind by it, therefore, adopting it.

2) Some LDS actually do not believe how bad it is, therefore, ignoring it.

3) Some so-called awaken mormons actually are very extreme and think EVERYTHING is a secret combination. Therefore, everything is a conspiracy. Which leads them to fall into the trap of Isaiah 5:20

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One of the disturbing things to me, is the degree to which organizations such as the Deseret News seem to be complicit with the globalist agenda. Brent Scowcroft certainly is; and Mitt Romney and Sen. Flake seem to be oblivious to this threat, at the very least.

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LdsMarco wrote: November 20th, 2017, 1:01 pm I love this post. There are few things that bother me the most:

1) Many LDS are blind by it, therefore, adopting it.

2) Some LDS actually do not believe how bad it is, therefore, ignoring it.

3) Some so-called awaken mormons actually are very extreme and think EVERYTHING is a secret combination. Therefore, everything is a conspiracy. Which leads them to fall into the trap of Isaiah 5:20
1st Nephi 19:
I did read unto them that which was written by the prophet Isaiah; for I did liken all scriptures unto us, that it might be for our profit and learning...

Question Marcos... Might we do the same as Nephi does in his statement above?
And if we can and or do, who are we as LDS as a whole, here in America, according to scripture. Are we Judah? Are we Ephraim? Are we Isreal? Are we Gentiles?
After that is established, then if we search diligently in the scriptures and honestly liken them unto us, you can find a picture or pictures or types and shadows throughout the scriptures that fit us as a people and begin to grasp our perilous situation. Was not the book of Mormon givin or written more especially unto the seed of Joseph? And that mainly being the "Lamanites" and the "Gentiles" - Ephraim?
That most beautiful BofM is very descriptive of secret combinations that are specifically designed by the devil himself to do what? To get power and gain. And what is it that they do to abtain it? Anything that they can do including murder, theft, lie, impersonate, fraud, scam, ( the list goes on and on ) and all in secret, but as time goes by the people get more and more complacent and partake of the same spirit by degrees until the combination and or combinations gains power over the minds of the masses and it becomes less and less of a secret as the majority are swallowed up into the same desires as the secret combinations. Now be honest and look at us as LDS ( as a whole, not as an individual as there are some few that are honest in heart and poor and meek in spirit) here in America and what is it that we are doing. We have suffered those secret combinations to get above us. Our church is completely immersed into the business world of getting power and gain. We as a people are completely caught up in the spirit of Babylon of getting power and gain. We are completely caught up in the three "crafts" that Joseph Smith named, "doctorcraft", "lawyercraft", and "priestcraft". we might just add a few more "crafts" that have come around since Joseph's time that have crept into Mormondom : "multilevel marketing craft" "Insurance craft" and the list goes on and on, and why does he use those terms?
There all designed to get power and gain.
Now again, reading the scriptures and prophecies and predictions in regards to us as a people, without prejudice, with an open honest heart, applying and likening the scripture to us, what is it that you can draw from them? Let each one decide for him/herself. But here is a little quote from the thousands that good ol Brother Brigham has said:
"He [President Brigham Young] conversed freely on the situation of the Saints in the mountains, and said that he dreaded the time when the Saints would become popular with the world; for he had seen in sorrow, in a dream, or in dreams, this people clothed in the fashions of Babylon and drinking in the spirit of Babylon until one could hardly tell a Saint from a black-leg. And he felt like shouting, "To your tents, Oh Israel!" because it was the only thing that could keep the people pure."

A person would have to be completely dishonest with him/herself to think we have not fulfilled that above dream of Brigham.

Or how about this one from the Prophet Heber C Kimball:

After a while the gentiles will gather in Salt Lake City by the thousands, and this will be among the wicked cities of the world.

A spirit of speculation and extravagance will take possession of the Saints, and the results will be financial bondage."

An army of elders will be sent to the four quarters of the earth, to search out the righteous and, warn the wicked of coming events.

All kinds of religions will be started, and miracles performed that will deceive the very elect, if such a thing were possible.

Persecution comes next, and all Latter-day Saints will be tested to the limit. "Many will apostatize, and others will stand still, not knowing what to do. ...

The judgements of God will be poured out upon the wicked, to the extent that our elders from far and near will be called home; or in other words, the Gospel will be taken from the gentiles, and later on will be carried to the Jews.

The western boundaries of the State of Missouri will be swept so clean of its inhabitant that as President Young tells us, 'when we return to that place there will not be as much as a yellow dog to wag his tail.'

Before that day comes, however, the Saints will be put to the test that will try the very best of them.

The pressure will become so great that the righteous among us will cry unto the Lord day and night until deliverance comes."

"Yes, we think we are secure here in the chambers of these everlasting hills, where we can close the doors of the canyons against mobs and persecutors, the wicked and the vile, who have always beset us with violence and robbery, but I want to say to you, my brethren, that the time is coming when we will be mixed up in these now peaceful valleys to that extent that it will be difficult to tell the face of a Saint from the face of an enemy against the people of God.

Then is the time to look out for the great sieve, for there will be a great shifting time, and many will fall.

For I say unto you there is a test, a Test, a TEST coming."

This Church has before it many close places through which it will have to pass before the work of God is crowned with glory.

The difficulties will be of such a character that the man or woman who does not possess a personal knowledge or witness will fall. If you have not got this testimony, you must live right and call upon the Lord, and cease not until you obtain it.

Remember these sayings: The time will come when no man or woman will be able to endure on borrowed light. Each will have to be guided by the light within themselves. If you do not have the knowledge that Jesus is the Christ, how can you stand?"

"So mixed up that you cannot tell, or it is difficult to tell the difference between a saint and an enemy of God." That is quite a statement.

And how about this one that has literally come to pass:
"A spirit of speculation and extravagance will take possession of the Saints, and the results will be financial bondage."
We could change the words "speculation" and "extravagance" to "power and gain" and it would also fit us perfectly.
Now those are just 2 measly tiny little quotes of the hundreds or more of predictions about us in modern times.
Now if we go to the four standard works what do we find?
How about this one:
2nd Nephi 13 and or compare to Isaiah 3:

9 The show of their countenance doth witness against them, and doth declare their sin to be even as Sodom, and they cannot hide it. Wo unto their souls, for they have rewarded evil unto themselves!
(and now in our church we have reached the point of coddling the sodomites)

10 Say unto the righteous that it is well with them; for they shall eat the fruit of their doings.

11 Wo unto the wicked, for they shall perish; for the reward of their hands shall be upon them!

12 And my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they who lead thee cause thee to err and destroy the way of thy paths.

13 The Lord standeth up to plead, and standeth to judge the people.

14 The Lord will enter into judgment with the ancients of his people and the princes thereof; for ye have eaten up the vineyard and the spoil of the poor in your houses.

15 What mean ye? Ye beat my people to pieces, and grind the faces of the poor, saith the Lord God of Hosts.

16 Moreover, the Lord saith: Because the daughters of Zion are haughty, and walk with stretched-forth necks and wanton eyes, walking and mincing as they go, and making a tinkling with their feet—

17 Therefore the Lord will smite with a scab the crown of the head of the daughters of Zion, and the Lord will discover their secret parts.

18 In that day the Lord will take away the bravery of their tinkling ornaments, and cauls, and round tires like the moon;

19 The chains and the bracelets, and the mufflers;

20 The bonnets, and the ornaments of the legs, and the headbands, and the tablets, and the ear-rings;

21 The rings, and nose jewels;

22 The changeable suits of apparel, and the mantles, and the wimples, and the crisping-pins;

23 The glasses, and the fine linen, and hoods, and the veils.

24 And it shall come to pass, instead of sweet smell there shall be stink; and instead of a girdle, a rent; and instead of well set hair, baldness; and instead of a stomacher, a girding of sackcloth; burning instead of beauty.

25 Thy men shall fall by the sword and thy mighty in the war.

26 And her gates shall lament and mourn; and she shall be desolate, and shall sit upon the ground....

Does the above apply to us or not? Be honest..... Yes it does, fits us perfectly. And the end result of that prediction is the women/ haughty daughter's
of Zion get quite a descriptive spanking, but some survive after humiliation, but hey, us men fall by the sword. And very few left as Isaiah goes on to say:
Isaiah 23:
11 And I will punish the world for evil, and the wicked for their iniquity; I will cause the arrogancy of the proud to cease, and will lay down the haughtiness of the terrible.

12 I will make a man more precious than fine gold; even a man than the golden wedge of Ophir.

13 Therefore, I will shake the heavens, and the earth shall remove out of her place, in the wrath of the Lord of Hosts, and in the day of his fierce anger.

14 And it shall be as the chased roe, and as a sheep that no man taketh up; and they shall every man turn to his own people, and flee every one into his own land.

15 Every one that is proud shall be thrust through; yea, and every one that is joined to the wicked shall fall by the sword.

16 Their children also shall be dashed to pieces before their eyes; their houses shall be spoiled and their wives ravished.

17 Behold, I will stir up the Medes against them, which shall not regard silver and gold, nor shall they delight in it.

18 Their bows shall also dash the young men to pieces; and they shall have no pity on the fruit of the womb; their eyes shall not spare children.

19 And Babylon, the glory of kingdoms, the beauty of the Chaldees’ excellency, shall be as when God overthrew Sodom and Gomorrah.

So here we are today completely immersed into the spirit of Babylon, which is the spirit speculation and self aggrandizement, which is the spirit of power and gain which is the spirit of the secret combinations.

But if we want to fool ourselves with the typical thoughts of: " oh those scriptures are not talking about us" " they are talking about those other wicked people" "it is the good quotes in the scriptures that apply to us"...

And so:
19 For the kingdom of the devil must shake, and they which belong to it must needs be stirred up unto repentance, or the devil will grasp them with his everlasting chains, and they be stirred up to anger, and perish;
20 For behold, at that day shall he rage in the hearts of the children of men, and stir them up to anger against that which is good.
21 And others will he pacify, and lull them away into carnal security, that they will say: All is well in Zion; yea, Zion prospereth, all is well—and thus the cdevil cheateth their souls, and leadeth them away carefully down to hell.
22 And behold, others he flattereth away, and telleth them there is no hell; and he saith unto them: I am no devil, for there is none—and thus he whispereth in their ears, until he grasps them with his awful chains, from whence there is no deliverance.
23 Yea, they are grasped with death, and hell; and death, and hell, and the devil, and all that have been seized therewith must stand before the throne of God, and be judged according to their works, from whence they must go into the place prepared for them, even a lake of fire and brimstone, which is endless torment.
24 Therefore, wo be unto him that is at ease in Zion!
25 Wo be unto him that crieth: All is well!
26 Yea, wo be unto him that hearkeneth unto the precepts of men, and denieth the power of God, and the gift of the Holy Ghost!
27 Yea, wo be unto him that saith: We have received, and we need no more!
28 And in fine, wo unto all those who tremble, and are angry because of the truth of God! For behold, he that is built upon the rock receiveth it with gladness; and he that is built upon a sandy foundation trembleth lest he shall fall...
Who among all the people of the whole earth can fit the description above in regards to being at ease in Zion? Or that saith " all is well in Zion, or " Zion prospereth, all is Well???? Again, only us Latter Day Saints.
But here is a strange thought, you would think that Zion should prosper right? Absolutely!!!!! But yet there is a certain timeframe in the scriptures that we are spanked for thinking that all is well in Zion! And spanked for being at ease in Zion! So what is going on? Well again be honest, examine our so called "Zion" , we have rejected the true Zion and have the Babylonian immitation, or polluted oir Zion with the spirit of Babylon. Which is having from super rich all the way down to super poor, and yet we call each other "brother".....
Well , again, may I clarify that I am talking collectively speaking, not individually as there are some quiet humble followers of Jesus Christ. But I put myself in the "collective" department and apply scriptures to me also...

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larsenb wrote: November 20th, 2017, 1:14 pm One of the disturbing things to me, is the degree to which organizations such as the Deseret News seem to be complicit with the globalist agenda. Brent Scowcroft certainly is; and Mitt Romney and Sen. Flake seem to be oblivious to this threat, at the very least.

Yes, they are sheep. Blind, their eyes are not yet opened.
It's this "there's something good in everyone" myopia.
No, some are just downright evil.

I just saw a 1971 Conference talk by Harold B Lee. He talks about liberals in the church. Real good talk.

What Ezra Taft Benson said comes to mind. We don't believe in conspiracy theories. We believe in conspiracy facts.

And I say, but saying so loses credibility with a lot of myopic people.
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I think many readers of this forum are aware by now that there is a globalist conspiracy to make America subservient to a world socialist dictatorship, a.k.a. the New World Order, which we believe is planned by certain wealthy and powerful people to be a global dictatorship. Some of you may well believe, as I do, that America is now past the point of no return in that direction, that the globalist conspiracy to establish this freedom restricting government has gotten above us and is now too powerful for the likes of us to stop it – for now at least.

There may still have been hope to return to our constitutional republic back in October1987, when a Prophet of God, Ezra Taft Benson, gave us the commandments that “We must learn the principles of the Constitution in the tradition of the Founding Fathers…We must become involved in civic affairs to see that we are properly represented…We must make our influence felt by our vote, our letters, our teaching, and our advice…We must become accurately informed and then let others know how we feel…” I can think of no reason for President Benson to have made that statement if it was already too late at that time to preserve the U.S. Constitution. Actually, that was just one of three such similar admonitions that he gave us in that year alone. Interesting that a year later he warned us that "A secret combination that seeks to overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations and countries is increasing its evil influence and control over America and the entire world." Nothing said about what we could or should do about it that I know of.

It is not the purpose of the Lord to destroy nations, but to build them up. The Lord has the power to change things, including the ability to intervene in a nation’s descent into tribulation and loss of liberty, and prevent it from becoming subservient to the New World Order. But the Lord cannot disregard the decree of justice on which the world operates. I know of no case in which the Lord has done for us that which He has commanded us to do for ourselves. Only by sincere repentance, including obedience to God’s commandments, including those stated above, could we have expected the Lord to have guided us in preventing America’s subservience to the New World Order.

I think it is safe to say that most Americans, including Latter-day Saints, who should know better, are oblivious to the deliberate erosion of their rights to life, liberty, and control of private property. We have been warned of this by both ancient and latter-day prophets and apostles of the Lord, but it seems that most have not taken those warnings seriously enough to become concerned and aroused to any sort of serious action.

So, as I stated above, I do not think we will be able to reverse the current course into tyranny that America is on now. But I do have faith that the Lord will give guidance to the remnant of the cleansing described in the Doctrine and Covenants such that those who will have learned and espoused the principles of the Constitution and engaged in efforts to prevent a globalist dictatorship from getting above us will be able to assist in its restoration and will realize that prophetic promise that “That law of the land which is constitutional, supporting that principle of freedom in maintaining rights and privileges, belongs to all mankind.”

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Nearly 30 years ago a Prophet told us that "A secret combination that seeks to overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations and countries is increasing its evil influence and control over America and the entire world."

1.) What did he, or any other Prophet, ancient or latter-day, tell us to do about it?

2.) What do you think the conspirators hope to gain by overthrowing the freedoms of lands, nations and countries and acquiring influence and control over America and the entire world?

3. What do you think will be the effect on you and your family if the conspirators acquire influence and control over America and the entire world?

4. What do you think were the reasons for prophets warning us about a secret combination that an ancient prophet told us shall be among us in our day?

5.) What do you think you (and your family) should do now about this secret combinations we have been warned about?

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FORMER INSIDER: HERE'S HOW GLOBALISTS THINK
Ted Malloch outlines 'ongoing battle' with nationalism
Ted Malloch has served on the executive board of the World Economic Forum. He’s held an ambassador-level post in the United Nations. He’s worked in international capital markets on Wall Street and held a senior position in the U.S. State Department.
So he understands globalism because he used to live and work among globalists. And during a recent appearance on The Alex Jones Show, he shed some light on how globalists operate.

“To some degree, I would say if you want to understand globalism, you need to get at the spiritual bearings, the spiritual underlying currents in globalism, which is not only relativistic, but it’s a divorce, a great divorce, from religion and from any notion that there is a God who exists or that you can know Him personally,” explained Malloch, author of “Davos, Aspen, and Yale: My Life Behind the Elite Curtain as a Global Sherpa.”

Noting the low percentage of western Europeans who follow any religious tradition anymore, he added, “They would like to move the rest of the world away from their traditional bearings, from their traditional cultures, from their traditional scriptures.”

The goal is to replace those traditions with whatever the globalists want people to believe.

“Who will be in charge then? Unelected bureaucrats who we call ‘experts’ – really aren’t that expert – who pull over on the rest of the population what they want to do,” Malloch said. “And there’s no democracy left in the end, there’s no faith left in the end. There’s just one gray monolithic state.”

People are mistaken if they believe globalists want more diversity, according to Malloch. After all, if they liked diversity, they would embrace the differences between European countries. But they only want to homogenize Europe and make it “one color of gray,” in Malloch’s words.

The former globalist insider believes it’s important to teach schoolchildren about Western civilization, lest its memory be submerged.
“In the case of Europe, they’ve actually lost touch with their foundational ethos, their entire cultural ethos, the foundations of Western civilization, which is actually Greco-Roman, Judeo-Christian,” he lamented. “They’ve lost it….

“It’s the place where all innovation has been centered, where technology started, where we had the basis of economics, the foundation of law – all of these things were rooted in that Western culture, and we want to just wash our hands of it.”

Not only do globalists want to attack the pillars of Western civilization, but they are “radically against the family,” according to Malloch.

“There are now 17 leaders of European countries and the EU who have no children,” he revealed. “What does that tell you?”

However, Malloch sees hope on the horizon as nationalistic movements sprout up all across Europe.

“I think we see this movement in Europe now,” he said. “It’s very strong in eastern Europe, it’s obviously very strong in Britain. There are elements in every single European country. I think the European elections are proving this, will prove it next year in Italy. All these countries are moving back to their own nationhood…. The world is moving away from this New World Order back to an order that has more to do with states and has to do with national localities.”

Of course, Donald Trump’s election to the U.S. presidency signaled that many Americans were also tired of globalism and ready to return to America-first nationalism. Malloch explained the full meaning and implications of Trump’s historic victory in his book “Hired: An Insider’s Look at the Trump Victory.”

Malloch believes the world will shift even more radically towards nationalism in Trump’s eight years in office – and yes, he believes Trump will serve eight years.

“The whole world is changing to realign with the presidency of Donald Trump…. I think we’re in a new morning for America, but it’s going to be a bumpy ride, and the rest of the world is going to have to learn to live with President Trump.”

However, the globalists are not going down without a fight, Malloch warned. They are still major players on the world stage, with vast resources at their disposal. Malloch expects them to try to work through international organizations to achieve their goals, but given that Trump has pulled the U.S. out of many of these institutions, Malloch is hopeful the organizations will be defunded and delegitimized.

Nevertheless, the battle between globalism and national sovereignty will rage on, with no real end in sight.

“This is an ongoing battle; this is something that’s going to last our lifetimes,” he said. “It’s not a short-term episode, so we have to be prepared to do that.”


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In our lesson in the high priests group yesterday, the instructor asked us to name one thing that served as a distraction to righteousness. The answers were typical of what you'd expect. However, when I responded "the Federal Reserve system," there were snorts and derisive laughter. One asked incredulously, "That bothers you?!" I explained: We have $20 trillion in debt. We are debt slaves. The instructor was anxious to go to the next person.

I wonder what they would have said if I had answered "the Bank of International Settlements." The BIS is basically the central bank of central banks. So our own Federal Reserve makes us debt slaves and the global BIS is even more squid-like and controlling. As our current government embraces both of those organizations as well as the United Nations, any pretending that a certain man who has a fascination with orange make-up will set us free is, of course, sheer lunacy and I'm embarrassed that most of you continue to suckle from such a bottle full of sugar water as that.

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Silver wrote: December 18th, 2017, 5:48 am In our lesson in the high priests group yesterday, the instructor asked us to name one thing that served as a distraction to righteousness. The answers were typical of what you'd expect. However, when I responded "the Federal Reserve system," there were snorts and derisive laughter. One asked incredulously, "That bothers you?!" I explained: We have $20 trillion in debt. We are debt slaves. The instructor was anxious to go to the next person.

I wonder what they would have said if I had answered "the Bank of International Settlements." The BIS is basically the central bank of central banks. So our own Federal Reserve makes us debt slaves and the global BIS is even more squid-like and controlling. As our current government embraces both of those organizations as well as the United Nations, any pretending that a certain man who has a fascination with orange make-up will set us free is, of course, sheer lunacy and I'm embarrassed that most of you continue to suckle from such a bottle full of sugar water as that.
I've learned to keep it simple at Church. Some are not aware of things like this and as leaders, we need to be caution. I've learned first hand that some discussions could get out of hand and it's not appropriate at church to discuss certain things.

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LdsMarco wrote: December 18th, 2017, 11:25 am
Silver wrote: December 18th, 2017, 5:48 am In our lesson in the high priests group yesterday, the instructor asked us to name one thing that served as a distraction to righteousness. The answers were typical of what you'd expect. However, when I responded "the Federal Reserve system," there were snorts and derisive laughter. One asked incredulously, "That bothers you?!" I explained: We have $20 trillion in debt. We are debt slaves. The instructor was anxious to go to the next person.

I wonder what they would have said if I had answered "the Bank of International Settlements." The BIS is basically the central bank of central banks. So our own Federal Reserve makes us debt slaves and the global BIS is even more squid-like and controlling. As our current government embraces both of those organizations as well as the United Nations, any pretending that a certain man who has a fascination with orange make-up will set us free is, of course, sheer lunacy and I'm embarrassed that most of you continue to suckle from such a bottle full of sugar water as that.
I've learned to keep it simple at Church. Some are not aware of things like this and as leaders, we need to be caution. I've learned first hand that some discussions could get out of hand and it's not appropriate at church to discuss certain things.
Yeah, silly me, answering truthfully like that.

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I think that during the later years while President Benson was the Prophet he was told by the Lord to back off on the subjects of freedom, Constitution, and secret combinations, partly because so many members, maybe most members, cannot cope with such subjects, and also because of the likelihood of retribution against the Church by those murderous combinations that have gotten above us.

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lundbaek wrote: December 18th, 2017, 11:50 am I think that during the later years while President Benson was the Prophet he was told by the Lord to back off on the subjects of freedom, Constitution, and secret combinations, partly because so many members, maybe most members, cannot cope with such subjects, and also because of the likelihood of retribution against the Church by those murderous combinations that have gotten above us.
Do you think there is truth to the story that Pres. Lee asked Cleon Skousen to "shut it down" because we have lost that battle? Or something to that effect.

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I have heard and read several allegations that efforts were made by certain Church authorities to stop Dr. Skousen from speaking on the subjects of freedom, the US Constitution, and secret combinations. For years I dismissed them as untrue. But more recently I have heard about such things from people I know to have been close to Dr. Skousen.

A friend told me he was with Dr. Skousen in President McKay's office and heard a discussion in which the Prophet discussed with Dr. Skousen things Re. the organization of the Freeman Institute. On another occasion, after his death, his wife told me of an incident which demonstrated the urgency that President McKay felt about getting the Freeman Institute up and running.

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President Boyd K. Packer, in the August 2010 Ensign, Pg. 23 : "We live in a time of war, that spiritual war that will never end. Moroni warned us that the secret combinations begun by Gadianton ‘are had among all people. . . . Wherefore, O ye Gentiles [and the term gentile in that place in the Book of Mormon refers to us in our generation], it is wisdom in God that these things should be shown unto you, that thereby ye may repent of your sins, and suffer not that these murderous combinations shall get above you. . . . Wherefore, the Lord commandeth you, when ye shall see these things come among you that ye shall awake to a sense of your awful situation, because of this secret combination which shall be among you.' [Ether 8:20, 23]"

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