LDS Prophet Says Don't Vote For Mitt Romney

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SARAH Ward wrote:Maybe it is time to remove the name of Mitt Romney from this misleading title.
BrianM wrote:This thread has been up for over a week and only has 3 replies... I wonder what would happen if I add "Mitt Romney" to the title?
I am in total agreement that " Mitt Romney should be removed from this title. Cheap shot in my opinion.

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I think rather than voting based on fear mongering that we should follow the commandment of the Lord to seek good, wise and just men who will uphold the Constitution as it was understood by those who wrote it.

I am more than willing to overlook the many bad positions of the past, and the flip flops that occurred at exactly the timing needed to always further his political career.
It is his CURRENT stated positions that are unacceptable.

He accepts the concept of pre-emptive war as correct.
He supports indefinite detention without trial of U.S. citizens at the discretion of the president. Goodbye habeus corpus.
He believes that the president has the authority to declare war without approval from Congress.

These are not minor nitpicks. This is an axe laid at the root of the Tree of Liberty. This is the severing of the threadby which the Constitution hangs, if it isn't already severed.

Romney's supporters NEVER address these issues, and only accuse those with legitimate concerns of repeating media lies about Romney.

If Romney repudiates these above positions before the election, publicly, I am willing to accept that he means what he says and he will have my vote. Not before, barring direct revelation that i should.
For those who are cheerleading for Romney, either put up or shut up. Address the above three issues and either reconcile them to the constitution, or explain that they are not Romney's positions. NOT ACCEPTABLE is some fairy tale that Mitt is just taking those positions to trick the puppet masters into allowing him to be president. No. Sorry. That's a starry-eyed wishful thinking theory AT BEST. Let's keep it real. Don;t tell me about him being a priesthood holder or a great dad. Address the three above issues and tell me why they are not DEAL BREAKERS. And if the best you can do is wail about how horrible an Obama 2nd term would be (I agree, but doesn't legitimize supporting a lesser of two evils candidate) don't bother - been hearing that for over a year. I will vote for a candidate that meets the qualifications the Lord has set, and Mitt currently does not. Not even close.

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Original_Intent wrote:I believe the quote was that IF it were to be saved it would be by the ELDERS of ZION.

I am quite certain that a recent prophet stated that the Constitution would NOT be saved in Washington D.C.

But, by all means, keep chugging the Kool-Aid if that works for you.

LOL OI. +1 right here. A vote for Romney is a vote for Obama.

Enjoy & learn my friends: 100 ways Romney is just like Obama (the good, the bad, and the many outright unConstitutional) http://ivn.us/2012/07/17/100-ways-mitt- ... rack-obama

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LDSguy wrote:
Original_Intent wrote:I believe the quote was that IF it were to be saved it would be by the ELDERS of ZION.

I am quite certain that a recent prophet stated that the Constitution would NOT be saved in Washington D.C.

But, by all means, keep chugging the Kool-Aid if that works for you.

LOL OI. +1 right here. A vote for Romney is a vote for Obama.

Enjoy & learn my friends: 100 ways Romney is just like Obama (the good, the bad, and the many outright unConstitutional) http://ivn.us/2012/07/17/100-ways-mitt- ... rack-obama

There is an area where I believe the 2 men and those who these men would choose to surround themselves with are far apart and are in fact at opposite ends of the spectrum. This is the area that our Prophets have stressed in every conference this church has held since its inception. It is the fundamental basis for a free society. I think our 2nd President John Adams summed it up nicely when he said:
"We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion . . . Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
The Continental Congress of 1778 stated:
"Whereas true religion and good morals are the only solid foundations of public liberty and happiness . . . it is hereby earnestly recommended to the several States to take the most effectual measures for the encouragement thereof."
Now I do not like a lot of the positions that Mitt Romney has taken politically and I do hope that he will change many of those positions to reflect a more constitutional approach. However when it comes to this issue of morality and virtue and religion I do see a huge difference between a Romney administration and an Obama administration. Obama and those whom he has surrounded himself with has shown a disdain for Christian morality in many critical areas and has in fact emulated more of a communist mindset that is in fact an enemy to righteousness and true Christian principles. If you guys can't see the difference between these 2 in this critical area you are not looking very hard.

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Mark wrote:
"We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion . . . Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
The Continental Congress of 1778 stated:
"Whereas true religion and good morals are the only solid foundations of public liberty and happiness . . . it is hereby earnestly recommended to the several States to take the most effectual measures for the encouragement thereof."
It is a shame that the Constitution was all that the founding fathers could get passed and not a more righteous government based on the Gospel and laws of Christ.

The founders apparently knew that the Constitution wouldn't hold any peace for long, since the majority of society is rarely righteous.

And it's too bad that much earlier the pilgrims didn't set up a righteous government when they first got here, based on the Gospel, which could have kept wickedness in check.

For I agree with the above statement, that true religion is the only government that can secure public liberty and happiness.

I believe when Christ comes he will establish his laws as the standard of society and that is why we will finally have peace.

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Mark..I hear truth in the words you speak. Thank-you

"Mitt Romney has flaws as a candidate. We all know that. Ron Paul, Newt Gingrich, and especially Obama have obvious flaws.

In Mitt Romney's case it seems conspicuous virtue is now a serious–perhaps fatal–handicap in American electoral politics.
You people seem to love kicking him, or seeing him beat up.

In a society that assumes equality–that we're all basically the same–Mitt Romney just stands a little too tall and straight. And that is why members of the media, his fellow candidates, and a large swath of his party cannot conceal their glee watching him taken down a peg.

It would be better for him if he was cheating on his taxes a little.


Read more: http://articles.businessinsider.com/201 ... z265Ra5LdT" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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awake wrote:
Mark wrote:
"We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion . . . Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
The Continental Congress of 1778 stated:
"Whereas true religion and good morals are the only solid foundations of public liberty and happiness . . . it is hereby earnestly recommended to the several States to take the most effectual measures for the encouragement thereof."
It is a shame that the Constitution was all that the founding fathers could get passed and not a more righteous government based on the Gospel and laws of Christ.

The founders apparently knew that the Constitution wouldn't hold any peace for long, since the majority of society is rarely righteous.

And it's too bad that much earlier the pilgrims didn't set up a righteous government when they first got here, based on the Gospel, which could have kept wickedness in check.

For I agree with the above statement, that true religion is the only government that can secure public liberty and happiness.

I believe when Christ comes he will establish his laws as the standard of society and that is why we will finally have peace.

Umm Sister Awake I believe you are referring to a theocracy here. It works well in a Zion society but was not appropriate at the time of the founding of this country. The constitution and the Bill of Rights was exactly what the Lord inspired the founders to draw up. No more. No less.

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"According to the laws and constitution of the people, which I have suffered to be established, and should be maintained for the rights and protection of all flesh, according to just and holy principles;

"Therefore, it is not right that any man should be in bondage one to another.

"And for this purpose have I established the Constitution of this land, by the hands of wise men whom I raised up unto this very purpose, and redeemed the land by the shedding of blood."
Doctrine and Covenants 101:77, 79-80

From the Guide to the Scriptures: "In the Doctrine and Covenants, 'the Constitution' refers to the Constitution of the United States of America, which was divinely inspired in order to prepare the way for the restoration of the gospel."

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Andrew52 wrote:I am in total agreement that " Mitt Romney should be removed from this title. Cheap shot in my opinion.
My test has proven that it is clearly an effective, attention grabbing, title. It is also accurate when analyzed against the principles it teaches - in other words, the principles taught by the prophets as presented in that first post would lead to an informed/principled decision not to vote for Mitt Romney (or Obama).

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BrianM wrote:
Andrew52 wrote:I am in total agreement that " Mitt Romney should be removed from this title. Cheap shot in my opinion.
My test has proven that it is clearly an effective, attention grabbing, title. It is also accurate when analyzed against the principles it teaches - in other words, the principles taught by the prophets as presented in that first post would lead to an informed/principled decision not to vote for Mitt Romney (or Obama).
Amen! :YMAPPLAUSE:

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Mark wrote:
LDSguy wrote:
Original_Intent wrote:I believe the quote was that IF it were to be saved it would be by the ELDERS of ZION.

I am quite certain that a recent prophet stated that the Constitution would NOT be saved in Washington D.C.

But, by all means, keep chugging the Kool-Aid if that works for you.

LOL OI. +1 right here. A vote for Romney is a vote for Obama.

Enjoy & learn my friends: 100 ways Romney is just like Obama (the good, the bad, and the many outright unConstitutional) http://ivn.us/2012/07/17/100-ways-mitt- ... rack-obama

There is an area where I believe the 2 men and those who these men would choose to surround themselves with are far apart and are in fact at opposite ends of the spectrum. This is the area that our Prophets have stressed in every conference this church has held since its inception. It is the fundamental basis for a free society. I think our 2nd President John Adams summed it up nicely when he said:
"We have no government armed with power capable of contending with human passions unbridled by morality and religion . . . Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."
The Continental Congress of 1778 stated:
"Whereas true religion and good morals are the only solid foundations of public liberty and happiness . . . it is hereby earnestly recommended to the several States to take the most effectual measures for the encouragement thereof."
Now I do not like a lot of the positions that Mitt Romney has taken politically and I do hope that he will change many of those positions to reflect a more constitutional approach. However when it comes to this issue of morality and virtue and religion I do see a huge difference between a Romney administration and an Obama administration. Obama and those whom he has surrounded himself with has shown a disdain for Christian morality in many critical areas and has in fact emulated more of a communist mindset that is in fact an enemy to righteousness and true Christian principles. If you guys can't see the difference between these 2 in this critical area you are not looking very hard.

Mark, question... did you click on the link and read it? What do you think about it?

I think it's extremely obvious. A vote for Mitt is a vote for Obama in the end. After you clear away all the mainstream media talking points and their campaign speeches and baloney rhetoric, you'll find out that on every major issue, they are in agreement. The only thing different is their rhetoric.

Choose the right, let the consequences follow! la la la la lalalala laaaaaaa.


“We shall have the satisfaction of knowing that we have acted conscientiously, and have used our best judgment. And if we have to throw away our votes, we had better do so upon a worthy rather than an unworthy individual who might make use of the weapon we put in his hand to destroy us.”
Joseph Smith Jr., Times and Seasons, Nauvoo, IV, 441. Cited also in Roberts, Comprehensive History, II, 208-209.


Also, Mark, it seems like you may have skipped over the original post in this thread... c'mon... be honest... did you?

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InfoWarrior82 wrote:“We shall have the satisfaction of knowing that we have acted conscientiously, and have used our best judgment. And if we have to throw away our votes, we had better do so upon a worthy rather than an unworthy individual who might make use of the weapon we put in his hand to destroy us.”
Joseph Smith Jr., Times and Seasons, Nauvoo, IV, 441. Cited also in Roberts, Comprehensive History, II, 208-209.
I would like to think that voting for the right, even if I vote for someone not on the ballot, that instead of my vote being wasted, as some suppose and declare, God takes it and puts it in His notebook. Therefore, it is not wasted at all.

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I just threw this together after seeing your post freedomfighter

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Just look how many people consider Mitt Romney worthy of our votes in spite of his disdain for moral and constitutional principles.

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It's funny.
I have some hard-core leftist establishment buddies that are really political on the internet that have so much in common with the right-wing establishment goons here:
They both use fear mongering as the main point of why we should elect "their guy"
They both admit "their guy" isn't perfect.
They both look to the government as the answer to issues that the government has no ability or power to solve.
In reality both sides serve the same agenda.
Growth of Government.
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While living in the USA for most of my life, I was kind of duped into believing what many people today believe concerning government.

Having lived in Mexico for the past two years, I have seen from outside that the system really stinks, and that Romney is playing into the same system that got Obama elected 4 years ago.

These are indeed scary times in the USA. I am saddened to see what it has become.

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Do tell more samizdat... how do you view the US political scene from abroad?

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Here in Mexico the media reports are very slanted in favor of Obama given that Obama supports immigration rights. They don't like Romney for calling the Arizona law a model that should be implemented nationwide.

But looking at other media, and observing the process over there compared to over here, it is obvious that the leaders of the United States have disavowed the Constitution for a vast amount of time before now.

A popular channel, Infinito, recently ran the movie "LOOSE CHANGE" that woke me up to the realities of 9/11. They ran it again on the 10th anniversary of 11-S

What I see from here is that the difference of the government of Mexico and the government of the USA, is that at least Mexico admits its corruption, and that the media in Mexico (traditional and internet) report on the corruption on a daily basis. The media and educational institutions in the USA in their majority would have people believe that the government is completely honest and that America is liked and respected in the world (two BIG LIES that many people have fallen for, NOT because America sucks, but because the government turned its back on its founding principles LONG AGO).

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Excellent post samizdat. I appreciate your wisdom from abroad. Always nice to look at things from outside your own bubble. :D

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Will taking away some parts of Obamacare, as stated by Romney, get us out of the situation that we're currently in? No. Will it grow or shrink the size of government? It will grow it, which we don't need right now.


Ezra Taft Benson said it right. Instead of voting for the lesser of two evils, vote for the candidate that most closely follows the Constitution in the tradition of the Founding Fathers. The result? Our nation will be blessed more because more people were willing to stand up for what is right, even if Obama is elected to a second term.
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Romney is clearly sacrificing principles for votes.

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lundbaek wrote:Romney is clearly sacrificing principles for votes.
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Elders. Not Elder. Andrew, can you name for me one Elder currently in Washington who is upholding the Constitution? Huntsman? No. Hatch? No. Bennett? No. Romney? No? Flake? Not entirely.

They've all largely failed, possibly because they aspired to the honors of men instead of God.

The Elders that are awake and ready to act to the reality of our awful situation are the only Elders that will save the Constitution, not career politicians.

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britjas wrote:Elders. Not Elder. Andrew, can you name for me one Elder currently in Washington who is upholding the Constitution? Huntsman? No. Hatch? No. Bennett? No. Romney? No? Flake? Not entirely.

They've all largely failed, possibly because they aspired to the honors of men instead of God.

The Elders that are awake and ready to act to the reality of our awful situation are the only Elders that will save the Constitution, not career politicians.
beautiful bud. :ymapplause:

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I should not have to list again all of Mitt Romney's unconstitutional stances on issues vital to the freedoms of Americans. Suffice it to say that there have been so many that I loose track of them. It should be inceasingly obvious by now among LDS voters that Mitt Romney doesn't understand the US Constitution, doesn't understand his responsibility to it, and/or doesn't have the integrity to be guided by it. But I've discovered that can be said of most LDS voters in the United States.

Despite all of his unconstitutional stances, he is dubbed as the last great hope to save America and "we the people" are considered unAmerican if we do not vote for him. Those who won't cave to the Romney vote are labeled as the bad guys. More than once a prophet or an apostle has admonished us to vote in support of gospel and constitutional principles and let the Lord worry about the results.

I'm not excited about having to vote for a candidate who will likely not win or even place or show (in horserace terminology), but fortunately I am not limited to choosing between a Lamanite gadianton and a Nephite gadianton.

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