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Andrew52 wrote:
George is here to push buttons. May I suggest we ignore him?
Andrew52,

Jesus came to push a few buttons, should we ignore him?

George

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George Alabaster wrote:
Andrew52 wrote:
George is here to push buttons. May I suggest we ignore him?
Andrew52,

Jesus came to push a few buttons, should we ignore him?

George
Decide for yourself, because Jesus never forced anything on anybody.

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George Alabaster
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Andrew52 wrote:Decide for yourself, because Jesus never forced anything on anybody.
I wonder which was worse, hell or the gulag?

George

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Shame on all Latter-day Saints who worked against Mitt. Dark days ahead...
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SARAH Ward wrote:Shame on all Latter-day Saints who worked against Mitt. Dark days ahead can be lain at your door.
I'll meet you at the judgement bar, lady. Hopefully you will have learned something by then.

We effectively have a one-party system in this country that masquerades as a two party system to keep half of the country hating the other half, and to give everyont the illusion every couple of years that they have some say in what goes on. Whose chauffer gets to drive the bus off the cliff and at what speed. Wake up. The Matrix has you.
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SARAH Ward wrote:Shame on all Latter-day Saints who worked against Mitt. Dark days ahead can be lain at your door.
The trouble is, if he had done things to mess up the country more than it is, well - I suspect people would have fewer qualms about blaming "Mormons" and deciding to kill them. No one is going to blame black people for what Obama does (probably because it is not an ideology), let alone have murderous rage.

Obama getting in again may have given the LDS people a little more time to get their lives in order, as well as a little more time to spread the gospel.

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SARAH Ward wrote:Shame on all Latter-day Saints who worked against Mitt. Dark days ahead can be lain at your door.
Yes Janadale, it is the fault of the 20 or 30 LDS people who didn't support Romney.

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Thomas wrote:Yes Janadale, it is the fault of the 20 or 30 LDS people who didn't support Romney.
:))

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SARAH Ward wrote:Shame on all Latter-day Saints who worked against Mitt. Dark days ahead can be lain at your door.
Oh please! Mitt Romney get blown out in electoral college 303 to 203 and your going to blame the Latter-day Saints who voted for Obama for the loss? Come on now.

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For many of us, the unthinkable has happened.
http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/america-pron ... on-itself/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
America has decisively turned the corner away from the constitutional principles of limited government and self-government with the re-election of Barack Obama. There may be no way home for us. For those of us who fundamentally reject Obama’s policies, things are going to get very rough for the next four years. We have allowed our fellow Americans to pronounce judgment on the nation. That’s what Obama represents to me – God’s judgment on a people who have turned away from Him and His ways and from everything for which our founders sacrificed their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honour. The nation is divided like never before – intentionally so. That has been Obama’s game plan from the beginning – to build a constituency of special-interest groups that truly believe their salvation is found in bigger government, more programs, irresponsible spending and unconstitutional policies.

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Original_Intent wrote:
SARAH Ward wrote:Shame on all Latter-day Saints who worked against Mitt. Dark days ahead can be lain at your door.
I'll meet you at the judgement bar, lady. Hopefully you will have learned something by then.

We effectively have a one-party system in this country that masquerades as a two party system to keep half of the country hating the other half, and to give everyont the illusion every couple of years that they have some say in what goes on. Whose chauffer gets to drive the bus off the cliff and at what speed. Wake up. The Matrix has you.
Ron Paul fanatics are in the Matrix just as much as Obama fanatics and possibly Romney fanatics (I don't think the whole story jives there and was hoping to see what the bottom line was). But I imagine we'll see Ron Paul again in 4 years as well as Obama's replacement....and perhaps even Mitt will shoot for a 3rd round. Long story short we can pick this back up in 4 years....

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Thomas wrote:
SARAH Ward wrote:Shame on all Latter-day Saints who worked against Mitt. Dark days ahead can be lain at your door.
Yes Janadale, it is the fault of the 20 or 30 LDS people who didn't support Romney.
What an exaggeration Thomas! :))

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Legion wrote:
Original_Intent wrote:
SARAH Ward wrote:Shame on all Latter-day Saints who worked against Mitt. Dark days ahead can be lain at your door.
I'll meet you at the judgement bar, lady. Hopefully you will have learned something by then.

We effectively have a one-party system in this country that masquerades as a two party system to keep half of the country hating the other half, and to give everyont the illusion every couple of years that they have some say in what goes on. Whose chauffer gets to drive the bus off the cliff and at what speed. Wake up. The Matrix has you.
Ron Paul fanatics are in the Matrix just as much as Obama fanatics and possibly Romney fanatics (I don't think the whole story jives there and was hoping to see what the bottom line was). But I imagine we'll see Ron Paul again in 4 years as well as Obama's replacement....and perhaps even Mitt will shoot for a 3rd round. Long story short we can pick this back up in 4 years....
Not to tread on sacred ground, but I would ask a simple yes or no question - have you had a spiritual witness to that effect, or are you promoting your arm of flesh understanding (which you are entitled to, certainly, I just want to know.)

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Original_Intent wrote:
SARAH Ward wrote:Shame on all Latter-day Saints who worked against Mitt. Dark days ahead can be lain at your door.
I'll meet you at the judgement bar, lady. Hopefully you will have learned something by then.

We effectively have a one-party system in this country that masquerades as a two party system to keep half of the country hating the other half, and to give everyont the illusion every couple of years that they have some say in what goes on. Whose chauffer gets to drive the bus off the cliff and at what speed. Wake up. The Matrix has you.
Humility Opens Doors

(Why the Meek Shall Inherit the Earth)

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Andrew52 wrote:
Original_Intent wrote:
SARAH Ward wrote:Shame on all Latter-day Saints who worked against Mitt. Dark days ahead can be lain at your door.
I'll meet you at the judgement bar, lady. Hopefully you will have learned something by then.

We effectively have a one-party system in this country that masquerades as a two party system to keep half of the country hating the other half, and to give everyont the illusion every couple of years that they have some say in what goes on. Whose chauffer gets to drive the bus off the cliff and at what speed. Wake up. The Matrix has you.
Humility Opens Doors

(Why the Meek Shall Inherit the Earth)
Everyone considers themselves "pretty humble" I suppose, I guess we will have to wait and see who the heirs are.

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Original_Intent wrote:
SARAH Ward wrote:Shame on all Latter-day Saints who worked against Mitt. Dark days ahead can be lain at your door.
I'll meet you at the judgement bar, lady. Hopefully you will have learned something by then.

We effectively have a one-party system in this country that masquerades as a two party system to keep half of the country hating the other half, and to give everyont the illusion every couple of years that they have some say in what goes on. Whose chauffer gets to drive the bus off the cliff and at what speed. Wake up. The Matrix has you.
Original_Intent wrote:
Legion wrote:Ron Paul fanatics are in the Matrix just as much as Obama fanatics and possibly Romney fanatics (I don't think the whole story jives there and was hoping to see what the bottom line was). But I imagine we'll see Ron Paul again in 4 years as well as Obama's replacement....and perhaps even Mitt will shoot for a 3rd round. Long story short we can pick this back up in 4 years....
Not to tread on sacred ground, but I would ask a simple yes or no question - have you had a spiritual witness to that effect, or are you promoting your arm of flesh understanding (which you are entitled to, certainly, I just want to know.)
With regard to Ron Paul? Mitt? Obama?

I don't get good vibes off of Obama....and I don't off of Ron Paul. No angels came to say vote for Mitt. Perhaps it was an arm of the flesh decision....I don't know....he seemed to be the best fit for me in our present circumstances and with the people as they are today. I feel good about that decision.

As for the projection....that is totally off the cuff arm of the flesh speculation. Things could wrap up in the next four years....who knows. I certainly have some well studied folks with scriptural based projections for a wrap-up in the next four years (Angel Palmoni scrolls and subsequent revisions). But frankly I now put as much stock in that as I do Joel Skousen's projections and Dr. Jone's EMP disaster that wipes out 95% of the population in a year or less. Not that I am downplaying their scriptural, political, or scientific efforts and studies....but I know they are just speculating like everyone else....however educated or uneducated one personally deems them to be. Time will tell the story. God's in charge and its His world! His prophet is the beacon to keep our eye on!!! His Spirit is what we need to tune into!!! Then let the chips fall wherever they may....

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The incumbent was re-elected, just as I said.
(http://www.ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopi ... 54#p289284" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)
Rob wrote:That's so exciting! Romney gets to be the one to lose to Obama! :ymapplause:

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Thomas wrote:
SARAH Ward wrote:Shame on all Latter-day Saints who worked against Mitt. Dark days ahead can be lain at your door.
Yes Janadale, it is the fault of the 20 or 30 LDS people who didn't support Romney.
:)) :D

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Or as Joel Skousen has been saying all this year, the PTB would in no way let Romney (an outsider) win. They tried desperately to have ANYONE (an insider) but Romney. To allow him the nomination was a sign they were fine to continue with Obama as the chosen agent of change/destruction. :ymdevil:

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Aside from POTUS and Senate, the other 2 votes I was interested in were from California:

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?sectio ... id=8876025

Proposition 35 - PASS
Increases prison sentences and fines for human trafficking convictions. Requires convicted human traffickers to register as sex offenders. Requires registered sex offenders to disclose Internet activities and identities. Fiscal Impact: Costs of a few million dollars annually to state and local governments for addressing human trafficking offenses. Potential increased annual fine revenue of a similar amount, dedicated primarily for human trafficking victims.

Proposition 37 - FAIL
Requires labeling of food sold to consumers made from plants or animals with genetic material changed in specified ways. Prohibits marketing such food, or other processed food, as "natural." Provides exemptions. Fiscal Impact: Increased annual state costs from a few hundred thousand dollars to over $1 million to regulate the labeling of genetically engineered foods. Additional, but likely not significant, governmental costs to address violations under the measure.

With all the liberals out there, I actually expected the reverse to occur.....I wish BOTH had passed :((

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If it were not for Libertarians and people voting third-party on some mutation of a principle, then there would not currently be as big a perception that conservatism and Libertarianism is so wildly unpopular when the other option is socialism.
At this point I would like to extend a hearty congratulations to Libertarians and non-voting conservatives: my friends, you’ve contributed to your Libertarian and conservative dreams now having no chance of ever being realized.
http://politicaloutcast.com/2012/11/how ... z2BwhfpTL5" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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It still boggles my mind how many LDS considered Mitt Romney a political savior.

Waking up!

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SARAH Ward wrote:If it were not for Libertarians and people voting third-party on some mutation of a principle, then there would not currently be as big a perception that conservatism and Libertarianism is so wildly unpopular when the other option is socialism.
At this point I would like to extend a hearty congratulations to Libertarians and non-voting conservatives: my friends, you’ve contributed to your Libertarian and conservative dreams now having no chance of ever being realized.
http://politicaloutcast.com/2012/11/how ... z2BwhfpTL5" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
You are gutsy! I am pleased that you are allowed to express your opinion here.
I am also very discouraged at the turn of events. I for one, did not consider Romney a political Savior. 8-|

I considered him the best choice and the only choice. In the end, I don't think this Nation deserved him.

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Andrew52 wrote:I considered him the best choice and the only choice. In the end, I don't think this Nation deserved him.
I think this is the biggest hang up we have. I can see both sides. On the one side, he was the best choice--the conservative choice. On the other, he supports the NDAA, preemptive war without congressional approval, Patriot Act, federal reserve, etc, etc, etc. Is it a matter of compromising principles or is it a difference of principles? I wanted to vote for Mitt. I did. But I just couldn't do it. So in the end I will be judged either for choosing the wrong candidate or voting on principle. It's a choice that I can live with. I am at peace.

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coachmarc wrote:
Andrew52 wrote:I considered him the best choice and the only choice. In the end, I don't think this Nation deserved him.
I think this is the biggest hang up we have. I can see both sides. On the one side, he was the best choice--the conservative choice. On the other, he supports the NDAA, preemptive war without congressional approval, Patriot Act, federal reserve, etc, etc, etc. Is it a matter of compromising principles or is it a difference of principles? I wanted to vote for Mitt. I did. But I just couldn't do it. So in the end I will be judged either for choosing the wrong candidate or voting on principle. It's a choice that I can live with. I am at peace.
Coach, I've been reading your posts since you were new here. I always listen to what you say.
I voted for Mitt and I am at peace also. I never had the feeling that is was wrong. Never.

I did get a laugh out of this:

If you’re depressed about losing, libertarians are standing by to help

by David McElroy

I have a solution to this problem, though. They need to talk to libertarians and anarchists.

You see, those of us in the libertarian and anarchist camps have many years of experience with feeling hopeless and depressed regarding elections. We’re jaded. We’re numb. We know how to lose and feel absolute terror because of the new bozo in charge (or the old bozo getting more power), but we’ve learned how to stay sane and alive. Well, mostly sane. Alive, anyway.

We might be nerds, but we know how to handle losing. So we’re here for you guys tonight. Give us a call. We’ll talk you down off the ledge. We’ll help you make it through the night.

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