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Ron Paul and the Future
by Llewellyn H. Rockwell, Jr.

One of the most thrilling memories of the 2012 campaign was the sight of those huge crowds who came out to see Ron. His competitors, meanwhile, couldn’t fill half a Starbucks. When I worked as Ron’s chief of staff in the late 1970s and early 1980s, I could only dream of such a day.

Now what was it that attracted all these people to Ron Paul? He didn’t offer his followers a spot on the federal gravy train. He didn’t pass some phony bill. In fact, he didn’t do any of the things we associate with politicians. What his supporters love about him has nothing to do with politics at all.

Ron is the anti-politician. He tells unfashionable truths, educates rather than flatters the public, and stands up for principle even when the whole world is arrayed against him.

Some people say, "I love Ron Paul, except for his foreign policy." But that foreign policy reflects the best and most heroic part of who Ron Paul is. Peace is the linchpin of the Paulian program, not an extraneous or dispensable adjunct to it. He would never and could never abandon it.

Here was the issue Ron could have avoided had he cared only for personal advancement.

But he refused. No matter how many times he’s been urged to keep his mouth shut about war and empire, these have remained the centerpieces of his speeches and interviews.

Of course, Ron Paul deserves the Nobel Peace Prize. In a just world, he would also win the Medal of Freedom, and all the honors for which a man in his position is eligible.

But history is littered with forgotten politicians who earned piles of awards handed out by other politicians. What matters to Ron more than all the honors and ceremonies in the world is all of you, and your commitment to the immortal ideas he has championed all his life.

It’s Ron’s truth-telling and his urge to educate the public that should inspire us as we carry on into the future.

It isn’t a coincidence that governments everywhere want to educate children. Government education, in turn, is supposed to be evidence of the state’s goodness and its concern for our well-being. The real explanation is less flattering. If the government’s propaganda can take root as children grow up, those kids will be no threat to the state apparatus. They’ll fasten the chains to their own ankles.

H.L. Mencken once said that the state doesn’t just want to make you obey. It tries to make you want to obey. And that’s one thing the government schools do very well.

A long-forgotten political thinker, Etienne de la Boetie, wondered why people would ever tolerate an oppressive regime. After all, the people who are governed vastly outnumber the small minority doing the governing. So the people governed could put a stop to it all if only they had the will to do so. And yet they rarely do.

De la Boetie concluded that the only way any regime could survive was if the public consented to it. That consent could range all the way from enthusiastic support to stoic resignation. But if that consent were ever to vanish, a regime’s days would be numbered.

And that’s why education – real education – is such a threat to any regime. If the state loses its grip over your mind, it loses the key to its very survival.


The state is beginning to lose that grip. Traditional media, which have carried water for the government since time began, it seems, are threatened by independent voices on the Internet. I don’t think anyone under 25 even reads a newspaper.

The media and the political class joined forces to try to make sure you never found out about Ron Paul. When that proved impossible, they smeared him, and told you no one could want to go hear Ron when they could hear Tim Pawlenty or Mitt Romney instead.

All this backfired. The more they panicked about Ron, the more drawn to him people were. They wanted to know what it was that the Establishment was so eager to keep them from hearing.

Ours is the most radical challenge to the state ever posed. We aren’t trying to make the state more efficient, or show how it can take in more revenue, or change its pattern of wealth redistribution. We’re not saying that this subsidy is better than that one, or that this kind of tax would make the system run more smoothly than that one. We reject the existing system root and branch.

And we don’t oppose the state’s wars because they’ll be counterproductive or overextend the state’s forces. We oppose them because mass murder based on lies can never be morally acceptable.

So we don’t beg for scraps from the imperial table, and we don’t seek a seat at that table. We want to knock the table over.

We have much work to do. Countless Americans have been persuaded that it’s in their interest to be looted and ordered around by a ruling elite that in fact cares nothing for their welfare and seeks only to increase its power and wealth at their expense.

The most lethal and anti-social institution in history has gotten away with describing itself as the very source of civilization. From the moment they set foot in the government’s schools, Americans learn that the state is there to rescue them from poverty, unsafe medicines, and rainy days, to provide economic stimulus when the economy is poor, and to keep them secure against shadowy figures everywhere. This view is reinforced, in turn, by the broadcast and print media.

If the public has been bamboozled, as Murray Rothbard would say, it is up to us to do the de-bamboozling. We need to tear the benign mask off the state.

That is the task before you, before all of us, here today.

Begin with yourself. Learn everything you can about a free society. Read the greats, like Frederic Bastiat, Ludwig von Mises, and Murray Rothbard. As you delve into the literature of liberty, share what you’re reading and learning. Start a blog. Create a YouTube channel. Organize a reading group. But whatever you do, learn, spread what you’re learning, and never stop.

If it is through propaganda that people thoughtlessly accept the claims of the state, then it is through education that people must be brought to their senses.

With its kept media on the wane, it is going to be more and more difficult for the state to make its claims stick, to persuade people to keep accepting its lies and propaganda.

You’ve heard it said that the pen is mightier than the sword. Think of the sword as the state. Think of the pen as all of you, each in your own way, spreading the ideas of liberty.

Remember that insight of Etienne de la Boetie: all government rests on public consent, and as soon as the public withdraws that consent, any regime is doomed.

This is why they fear Ron, it’s why they fear you, and it’s why, despite the horrors we read about every day, we may dare to look to the future with hope.


This article is based on remarks delivered at the Paul Festival in Tampa, FL, August 25, 2012.

August 27, 2012

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Ron Paul Won

"In all fields of human endeavor, winning by cheating is losing.

In a competition, when someone cheats, he gets disqualified. The disqualification does not make the runner-up the winner. Rather, it reveals that the man who appeared to be the runner-up had in fact been the winner all along.

In the race for the GOP nomination for President, therefore, Ron Paul won.

As the New York Times wrote yesterday,

Delegates from Nevada tried to nominate Mr. Paul from the floor, submitting petitions from their own state as well as Minnesota, Maine, Iowa, Oregon, Alaska and the Virgin Islands. That should have done the trick: Rules require signatures from just five states. But the party changed the rules on the spot. Henceforth, delegates must gather petitions from eight states.

When Mr. Romney and the RNC cheat so blatantly, they make the game no longer about politics: they make themselves ineligible for the vote of anyone who cares about his own morality, his own honesty or his own integrity – regardless of his politics. And from a purely practical standpoint, they invite Americans to ask if they want to live in a nation governed with the same contempt for those who don’t toe the party line as has been displayed both in Tampa and throughout the primary process.

But as a Ron Paul supporter, I can’t remember feeling so invigorated and empowered in my cause."

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Ron Paul RNC Tribute Video



Of course they didn't mention his main policy points:
1) Sound Money via Free Competition in Currencies (Single most important thing!)
2) Abolishing income tax.
3) Bringing Troops home.

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Gary Johnson's Speech At PAUL Fest

He wants to make Ron Paul his vice precedent.
If Ron Paul is not on the ballot, I am voting for this man!


He is not as good as Ron Paul, but he has the main points of Ron Paul's policy!

Go Gary Johnson!

Update: I have changed my position. Gary Johnson significantly contradicts himself especially on foreign policy. I will write in Ron Paul!
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OK. So Ron Paul won, (because the opposition cheated).

Now Ron Paul 2016!!!

I'll keep posting to this thread, as a demonstration of the triumphant march of the correct ideas that Ron Paul embraces.

Ron Paul on Cavuto -Time for U.S. to End Foreign Aid.


Ron Paul says he is dumbfounded about why US government is doing what it does with foreign aid. The answer is simple if you understand the real goal behind the scenes. US is being used by the globalists to destabilize the Middle East to make it a part of the New World Order dictatorship. If you understand this, it becomes readily apparent WHY these seemingly illogical actions are being taken. It is NOT stupidity, it is brilliance, if you understand what the real goal is. The only problem is that the goal is evil. Why evil? Because it violates Fundamental Principles of Liberty, and thus, if unchecked, leads to the destruction of the human race.

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And Ron Paul does understand the real goal behind the scenes. He has made that clear on at least 2 occasions that I am aware of.

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lundbaek wrote:And Ron Paul does understand the real goal behind the scenes. He has made that clear on at least 2 occasions that I am aware of.
Then he should stop saying that it baffles him. He loses power by saying this. He loses power by being dishonest. This and 9-11 are the two greatest areas where he is being less than honest. This is why I support him only 98% ;)

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SuccessCouncil.com
Libertarian vs Republican vs Democrat - Political Compass



If Gary Johnson is on the ballot and Ron Paul is not, I will vote for Gary.

Also, in the Political Compass, they should have put liberty at the top for purely psychological reasons. Other than that it's a good presentation!

Thanks!

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I believe the, Church leadership (First Presidency, Quorum of the 12, etc.) are not telling us what they know about the PTB behind the scenes for good reason. And I believe Ron Paul is also not now telling us what he knows about the PTB behind the scenes for good reason.

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Monsatan has an interesting friend:

http://www.ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopi ... 19#p318919" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Ah, Forget Gary, I am writing in Ron Paul!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... -1ktig7Pwg" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
http://www.dailypaul.com/253652/johnson ... ng-us-safe" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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24 Reasons for Liberals to Write in Ron Paul

"CONTENTS

Introduction

#1 – Why I am a “Liberal”

#2 – There is no Lesser of Two Evils

#3 – Ron Paul is not a “Republican”

#4 – Ron Paul is the Only One Who Cares about the Poor

#5 – Ron Paul Has the Most Progressive Tax Policy

#6 – Nobody is a Greater Threat to Big Business and The FED

#7 – Ron Paul Wants Real Healthcare for All

#8 – Ron Paul is Hip to Alternative Medicine and Organic Foods

#9 – Libertarianism, Socialism, Capitalism and Other Isms

#10 – Ron Paul is Not the Tea Party, and Neither is… The Tea Party

#11 – All of the Mainstream Media Lie, Even the Ones You Like

#12 – Ron Paul is the Most Green Candidate

#13 – Barack Obama Is Not Your Ex-Boyfriend!

#14 – Ron Paul is not Anti-Immigration and NOT and Isolationist!

#15 – Paul is NOT Racist. He Would Do More for People of Color than Obama

#16 – The Real Reasons to End the War on Drugs

#17 – Ron Paul wants Quality Education for All

#18 – Ron Paul is the best for Equal Rights

#19 – Gun Control- The Liberal’s Drug War

#20 – Let’s Get Rid of the CIA. No, Seriously…

#21 – The Government is Trying to Poison You

#22 – Don’t Be Thrown off by the Abortion Issue

#23 – Ignore His Son Rand – NOT the Same

#24 – Why Vote for Someone Who “Can’t Win?”"

Now read about each point: http://progresshawk.wordpress.com/2012/ ... in-2012-3/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Nice article. I say VOTE, but vote for RON PAUL.

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Brilliant! Alan Keyes Rocks!

Keyes to the Republic Vol. 1
President Obama and Mitt Romney




Ron Paul 2012!
Write him in if you have to!

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The Choice is Clear

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Are the following statements true?
The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the systems was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world’s central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank…sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world.
- Carroll Quigley
A piece appeared in the press noting that businessmen are insisting with increasing zeal on searching the minds and the hearts of their employees by means of polygraph tests. If any arm of government30 were to go so far, they would be met by horrified protests at this vicious attack on individual freedom, and rightly so. What is it that gives ordinary businessmen a power greater than that of the government? It is the capacity for giving or withholding money—nothing else in the world. This is the weapon that Satan chose from the beginning to place him and his plans beyond politics, and it has worked with deadly effect. There is only one thing in man’s world that can offer any check on the unlimited power of money—and that is government. That is why money always accuses government of trying to destroy free agency, when the great enslaver has always been money itself.
- Hugh Nibley
http://maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/publica ... ts/?id=162" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Paul supports legalization of parallel currencies, such as gold-backed notes issued from private markets and digital gold currencies.[66] He would like gold-backed notes (or other types of hard money) and digital gold currencies[67] to compete on a level playing field with Federal Reserve Notes, allowing individuals a choice whether to use sound money or to continue using fiat money.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_ ... f_Ron_Paul" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Let me issue and control a nation’s money and I care not who writes the laws.
- Mayer Amschel Rothschild (1744-1812), founder of the House of Rothschild

History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling the money and its issuance.
- James Madison, Father of the Constitution

If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.
- Thomas Jefferson

I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a monied aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.
- Thomas Jefferson

I think this is the most extraordinary collection of talent, of human knowledge, that has ever been gathered together at the White House, with the possible exception of when Thomas Jefferson dined alone.
- Remarks at dinner honoring Nobel Prize winners of the Western Hemisphere on 4/29/62 by JFK
http://www.jfklibrary.org/Research/Read ... tions.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It is interesting to note how many assassinations of Presidents of the United States follow their concern with the issuing of public currency; Lincoln with his Greenback, non-interest-bearing notes, and Garfield, making a pronouncement on currency problems just before he was assassinated. We now begin to understand why such a lengthy campaign of planned deception was necessary, from the secret conference at Jekyll Island to the identical “reform” plans proposed by the Democratic and Republican parties under different names. The bankers could not wrest control of the issuance of money from the citizens of the United States, to whom it had been designated through its Congress by the Constitution, until the Congress granted them their monopoly for a central bank.
- Eustace Mullins "Secrets of the Federal Reserve"

The ultimate solution will only come with the rejection of fiat money worldwide, and a restoration of commodity money. Commodity money if voluntarily and universally accepted could give us a single world currency requiring no money managers, no manipulators orchestrating a man-made business cycle with rampant price inflation.
— Ron Paul, Congressional Record, March 13, 2001
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dH3_Lcf ... r_embedded" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Does that really get us out of the man-made business cycle....or is that just another blatant lie from a sith lord???

Money and the coming World Order
http://www.thegoldstandardnow.org/image ... -Order.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

versus the Constitution -

Article 1, Section 8 (Powers of Congress):

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
...
To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers
http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A1Sec8.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Fiat money is money that derives its value from government regulation or law.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_money" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

No more government regulation or law concerning money? Who then makes the rules? Why the emphasis of monetary control by government in the Constitution vs. the monetary "freedom" of the previous failure - the Articles of Confederation???
The control over Federal Reserve System decisions is also founded in another unique situation. Each day, representatives of four other London banking firms meet in the offices of N.M. Rothschild Company in London to fix the price of gold for that day. The other four bankers are from Samuel Montagu Company, which ranks Number 5 on the list of seventeen London merchant banking firms, Sharps Pixley, Johnson Matheson, and Mocatta and Goldsmid.

Despite the huge tide of paper pyramided currency and notes which are now flooding the world, at some point, every credit extension must return to be based, in however minuscule a fashion, on some deposit of gold in some bank somewhere in the world. Because of this factor, the London merchant bankers, with their power to set the price of gold each day, become the final arbiters of the volume of money and the price of money in those countries which must bow to their power.
http://iamthewitness.com/books/Eustace% ... eserve.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
On the 12th September 1919 at 11.00am the first Gold Fixing took place.

The original five founding members were: N M Rothschild & Sons; Mocatta & Goldsmid; Samuel Montagu & Co.; Pixley & Abell; and Sharps & Wilkins.

For over 80 years we have been fixing the price of gold providing market users with the opportunity to buy and sell gold at a single quoted price. It also provides a published benchmark price that is widely used as a pricing medium by producers, consumers, investors and central banks.

The fix is carried out twice a day by the 5 members via a dedicated conference call facility.
http://www.goldfixing.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The first Silver Fixing took place in 1897 at the office of Sharps & Wilkins.

For over 110 years we have been fixing the price of silver providing market users with the opportunity to buy and sell silver at a single quoted price. It also provides a published benchmark price that is widely used as a pricing medium by producers, consumers and investors.

The fix is carried out once a day at 12 noon by the 3 members via telephone conference.
http://www.silverfixing.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The London bullion market is a wholesale over-the-counter market for the trading of gold and silver. Trading is conducted amongst members of the London Bullion Market Association (LBMA), loosely overseen by the Bank of England. Most of the members are major international banks or bullion dealers and refiners.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_bullion_market" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The price of gold is being actively managed by central planners and their proxies.
http://lewrockwell.com/martenson/martenson19.1.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
How big are the biggest trading houses? Put it this way: two of them, Vitol and Trafigura, sold a combined 8.1 million barrels a day of oil last year. That's equal to the combined oil exports of Saudi Arabia and Venezuela.

Or this: Glencore in 2010 controlled 55 percent of the world's traded zinc market, and 36 percent of that for copper.

Or this: publicity-shy Vitol's sales of $195 billion in 2010 were twice those at Apple Inc. As well as the 200 tankers it has at sea, Vitol owns storage tanks on five continents.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/10/ ... S320111028" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

What stops the monopolies outside of government regulation?

"I Want to Legalize the Constitution" ~ Ron Paul
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqZZiW0VFrA" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

How do you "legalize" the Constitution???

The Constitution—A Glorious Standard
http://www.lds.org/ensign/1987/09/the-c ... d?lang=eng" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
If history shows anything, it's that prosperity is possible only in a protective system. The purpose of a national government to defend our rights against the organized powers of money, the pull-down nature of international trade, and to use public credit and commonwealth to help foster the conditions for life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/2/The- ... 1-872.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Government of, by, and for the People is what CONSTITUTES democracy itself. The undeniable fact that government is broken exists not because it IS government, but because it's permeated by the cancer of corporatism. You don't treat cancer by removing the good flesh and feeding the cancer.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Ron-Pa ... 6-100.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Mr. Anonymous & The Libertarian Movement
http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0812/S ... vement.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Eyes on the Prize (Sidebar to Mr. Anonymous)
http://www.thebellforum.com/content.php ... -the-Prize" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Where do Ron Paul's ideas come from?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... Unkun3aA2o" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Ron Paul is a Voluntarist
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... oUrrlbDoVs" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

...and the source (with direct references) -
http://vforvoluntary.com/ron-paul/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The Libertarians claim to offer liberty and freedom yet generally are receptive of what isn't moral and good. They call restrictive laws like the Prohibition evil. The prophets have stated differently...
A man must have the discerning of spirits before he can drag into daylight this hellish influence and unfold it to the world in all it’s soul destroying diabolical horrid colors. For nothing is a greater injury to the children of men then to be under the influence of a false spirit when they think they have the spirit of God.
- Joseph Smith

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Wow, Legion, (Jason, Mummy, +5 more), You should talk about discerning spirits with a name like that. ;)

Now I know why I never liked Nibley's writings. He was wrong on many key points.

Ron Paul, Ezra Taft Benson, and the Lord are right on this point. You and Nibley are wrong.

Good luck. You cling to names, but you do not understand fundamental principles. That's why you will remain forever blind, until you understand the essence of truth.

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LoveIsTruth wrote:Wow, Legion, (Jason, Mummy, +5 more), You should talk about discerning spirits with a name like that. ;)

Now I know why I never liked Nibley's writings. He was wrong on many key points.

Ron Paul, Ezra Taft Benson, and the Lord are right on this point. You and Nibley are wrong.

Good luck. You cling to names, but you do not understand fundamental principles. That's why you will remain forever blind, until you understand the essence of truth.
Edit....sorry but the irony in that statement (bold underline large above) deserved a brief note....and thank you for the hearty laugh!!!

Speaking of Ezra Taft Benson and the Lord....
I believe that governments were instituted by God for the benefit of man

believe that all men are bound to sustain and uphold the respective governments in which they reside, while protected in their inherent and inalienable rights by the laws of such governments

On the 17th day of September, 1987, we commemorate the two-hundredth birthday of the Constitutional Convention, which gave birth to the document that Gladstone said is “the most wonderful work ever struck off at a given time by the brain and purpose of man.” 1

I heartily endorse this assessment, and I would like to pay honor—honor to the document itself, honor to the men who framed it, and honor to the God who inspired it and made possible its coming forth.

In other words, the most important single function of government is to secure the rights and freedoms of individual citizens.

“We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable Rights; that among these are Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness; that to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.”

A few years later, Joseph Smith, while unjustly incarcerated in a cold and depressing cell of Liberty Jail at Clay County, Missouri, frequently bore his testimony of the document’s divinity: “The Constitution of the United States is a glorious standard; it is founded in the wisdom of God. It is a heavenly banner.” 5

Have we read the Constitution and pondered it? Are we aware of its principles? Could we defend it? Can we recognize when a law is constitutionally unsound?

I quote Abraham Lincoln:

“Let [the Constitution] be taught in schools, in seminaries, and in colleges; let it be written in primers, spelling-books, and in almanacs; let it be preached from the pulpit, proclaimed in legislative halls, and enforced in courts of justice. And, in short, let it become the political religion of the nation.” 9

https://www.lds.org/ensign/1987/09/the- ... d?lang=eng" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I testify that America is a choice land. (See 2 Ne. 1:5.) God raised up the founding fathers of the United States of America and established the inspired Constitution. (See D&C 101:77–80.) This was the required prologue for the restoration of the gospel. (See 3 Ne. 21:4.) America will be a blessed land unto the righteous forever and is the base from which God will continue to direct the worldwide latter-day operations of His kingdom. (See 2 Ne. 1:7.)

I testify that there has been, and there is now, and there will be legal successors to the Prophet Joseph Smith who hold the keys of the kingdom of God on earth, even the President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. (See D&C 21:1–7; D&C 107:91–92; D&C 112:15.) He receives revelation from God to direct His kingdom. Associated with him are others who are prophets, seers, and revelators, even those who make up the presiding quorums of the Church, namely the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles. (See D&C 112:30.)

I testify that wickedness is rapidly expanding in every segment of our society. (See D&C 1:14–16; D&C 84:49–53.) It is more highly organized, more cleverly disguised, and more powerfully promoted than ever before. Secret combinations lusting for power, gain, and glory are flourishing. A secret combination that seeks to overthrow the freedom of all lands, nations, and countries is increasing its evil influence and control over America and the entire world. (See Ether 8:18–25.)

I testify that it is time for every man to set in order his own house both temporally and spiritually. It is time for the unbeliever to learn for himself that this work is true, that The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is the kingdom which Daniel prophesied God would set up in the latter days, never to be destroyed, a stone that would eventually fill the whole earth and stand forever. (See Dan. 2:34–45; D&C 65:2.) It is time for us, as members of the Church, to walk in all the ways of the Lord, to use our influence to make popular that which is sound and to make unpopular that which is unsound. We have the scriptures, the prophets, and the gift of the Holy Ghost. Now we need eyes that will see, ears that will hear, and hearts that will hearken to God’s direction.

https://www.lds.org/general-conference/ ... y?lang=eng" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

“I established the Constitution of this land,” said the Lord, “by the hands of wise men whom I raised up unto this very purpose” (D&C 101:80).

The dedicatory prayer for the Kirtland Temple, as dictated by the Lord and found in the Doctrine and Covenants, contains these words: “May those principles, which were so honorably and nobly defended, namely, the Constitution of our land, by our fathers, be established forever” (D&C 109:54).

After he became President of the Church, President Wilford Woodruff declared that “those men who laid the foundation of this American government were the best spirits the God of heaven could find on the face of the earth. They were choice spirits … [and] were inspired of the Lord” (in Conference Report, Apr. 1898, p. 89).

Unfortunately, we as a nation have apostatized in various degrees from different Constitutional principles as proclaimed by the inspired founders.

The Lord said, “Therefore, I, the Lord, justify you, and your brethren of my church, in befriending that law which is the constitutional law of the land” (D&C 98:6).

How then can we best befriend the Constitution in this critical hour and secure the blessings of liberty and ensure the protection and guidance of our Father in Heaven?

First and foremost, we must be righteous.

John Adams said, “Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.” (The Works of John Adams, ed. C. F. Adams, Boston: Little, Brown Co., 1851, 4:31). If the Constitution is to have continuance, this American nation, and especially the Latter-day Saints, must be virtuous.

Second, we must learn the principles of the Constitution in the tradition of the Founding Fathers.

Have we read The Federalist papers? Are we reading the Constitution and pondering it? Are we aware of its principles? Are we abiding by these principles and teaching them to others? Could we defend the Constitution? Can we recognize when a law is constitutionally unsound? Do we know what the prophets have said about the Constitution and the threats to it?

As Jefferson said, “If a nation expects to be ignorant and free … it expects what never was and never will be” (Letter to Colonel Charles Yancey, 6 Jan. 1816).

We must become accurately informed and then let others know how we feel. The Prophet Joseph Smith said: “It is our duty to concentrate all our influence to make popular that which is sound and good, and unpopular that which is unsound. ‘Tis right, politically, for a man who has influence to use it. … From henceforth I will maintain all the influence I can get” (History of the Church, 5:286).

I reverence the Constitution of the United States as a sacred document. To me its words are akin to the revelations of God, for God has placed His stamp of approval upon it.

I testify that the God of heaven sent some of His choicest spirits to lay the foundation of this government, and He has now sent other choice spirits to help preserve it.

We, the blessed beneficiaries of the Constitution, face difficult days in America, “a land which is choice above all other lands” (Ether 2:10).

May God give us the faith and the courage exhibited by those patriots who pledged their lives, their fortunes, and their sacred honor.

May we be equally as valiant and as free, I pray in the name of Jesus Christ, amen.

https://www.lds.org/general-conference/ ... n?lang=eng" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

What about the Articles of Confederation and competing currencies? The rest of the "libertarian" philosophies of men?

"I Want to Legalize the Constitution" ~ Ron Paul
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eqZZiW0VFrA" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

How do you "legalize" the Constitution???

Article 1, Section 8 (Powers of Congress):

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
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To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers
http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A1Sec8.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

If history shows anything, it's that prosperity is possible only in a protective system. The purpose of a national government to defend our rights against the organized powers of money, the pull-down nature of international trade, and to use public credit and commonwealth to help foster the conditions for life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

http://www.opednews.com/articles/2/The- ... 1-872.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Benson recommended that all Mormons read Gary Allen's New World Order tract "None Dare Call it A Conspiracy"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ezra_Taft_Benson" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Is it not theoretically possible that a billionaire could be sitting, not in a garret, but in a penthouse, in Manhattan, London or Paris and dream the same dream as Lenin and Hitler? You will have to admit it is theoretically possible. Julius Caesar, a wealthy aristocrat, did. And such a man might form an alliance or association with other likeminded men, might he not? Caesar did. These men would be superbly educated, command immense social prestige and be able to pool astonishing amounts of money to carry out their purposes. These are advantages that Hitler and Lenin did not have.

It is difficult for the average individual to fathom such perverted lust for power. The typical person, of whatever nationality, wants only to enjoy success in his job, to be able to afford a reasonably high standard of living complete with leisure and travel. He wants to provide for his family in sickness and in health and to give his children a sound education. His ambition stops there. He has no desire to exercise power over others, to conquer other lands or peoples, to be a king. He wants to mind his own business and enjoy life. Since he has no lust for power, it is difficult for him to imagine that there are others who have … others who march to a far different drum. But we must realize that there have been Hitlers and Lenins and Stalins and Caesars and Alexander the Greats throughout history. Why should we assume there are no such men today with perverted lusts for power? And if these men happen to be billionaires is it not possible that they would use men like Hitler and Lenin as pawns to seize power for themselves?

In order to understand the conspiracy it is necessary to have some rudimentary knowledge of banking and, particularly, of international bankers. While it would be an over-simplification to ascribe the entire conspiracy to international bankers, they nevertheless have played a key role. Think of the conspiracy as a hand with one finger labelled "international banking," others "foundations," "the anti-religion movement" "Fabian Socialism," and "Communism." But it was the international bankers of whom Professor Quigley was speaking when we quoted him earlier as stating that their aim was nothing less than control of the world through finance.

The public is led to believe that our government borrows from "the people" through savings bonds. Actually, only the smallest percentage of the national debt is held by individuals in this form. Most government bonds, except those owned by the government itself through its trust funds, are held by vast banking firms known as international banks.

For centuries there has been big money to be made by international bankers in the financing of governments and kings. Such operators are faced, however, with certain thorny problems. We know that smaller banking operations protect themselves by taking collateral, but what kind of collateral can you get from a government or a king? What if the banker comes to collect and the king says, "Off with his head"? The process through which one collects a debt from a government or a monarch is not a subject taught in the business schools of our universities, and most of us-never having been in the business of financing kings-have not given the problem much thought But there is a king-financing business and to those who can ensure collection it is lucrative indeed.

Preeminent in playing this game was the famous House of Rothschild. Its founder, Meyer Amschel Rothschild (1743-1812) of Frankfurt, Germany, kept one of his five sons at home to run the Frankfurt bank and sent the others to London, Paris, Vienna and Naples. The Rothschilds became incredibly wealthy during the nineteenth century by financing governments to fight each other. According to Professor Stuart Crane: "If you will look back at every war in Europe during the Nineteenth Century, you will see that they always ended with the establishment of a 'balance of power.' With every reshuffling there was a balance of power in a new grouping around the House of Rothschild in England, France, or Austria. They grouped nations so that if any king got out of line a war would break out and the war would be decided by which way the financing went. Researching the debt positions of the warring nations will usually indicate who was to be punished.

In describing the characteristics of the Rothschilds and other major international bankers, Dr. Quigley tells us that they remained different from ordinary bankers in several ways: they were cosmopolitan and international; they were close to governments and were particularly concerned with government debts, including foreign government debts; these bankers came to be called "international bankers." (Quigley, Tragedy and Hope, p.52)

But while wars and revolutions have been useful to international bankers in gaining or increasing control over governments, the key to such control has always been control of money. You can control a government if you have it in your debt; a creditor is in a position to demand the privileges of monopoly from the sovereign. Money-seeking governments have granted monopolies in state banking, natural resources, oil concessions and transportation. However, the monopoly which the international financiers most covet is control over a nation's money.

Eventually these international bankers actually owned as private corporations the central banks of the various European nations. The Bank of England, Bank of France and Bank of Germany were not owned by their respective governments, as almost everyone imagines, but were privately owned monopolies granted by the heads of state, usually in return for loans. Under this system, observed Reginald McKenna, President of the Midlands Bank of England: "Those that create and issue the money and credit direct the policies of government and hold in their hands the destiny of the people." Once the government is in debt to the bankers it is at their mercy. A frightening example was cited by the London Financial Times of September 26, 1921, which revealed that even at that time:

"Half a dozen men at the top of the Big Five Banks could upset the whole fabric of government finance by refraining from renewing Treasury Bills."

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The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the systems was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world’s central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank…sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world.

- Carroll Quigley

A piece appeared in the press noting that businessmen are insisting with increasing zeal on searching the minds and the hearts of their employees by means of polygraph tests. If any arm of government30 were to go so far, they would be met by horrified protests at this vicious attack on individual freedom, and rightly so. What is it that gives ordinary businessmen a power greater than that of the government? It is the capacity for giving or withholding money—nothing else in the world. This is the weapon that Satan chose from the beginning to place him and his plans beyond politics, and it has worked with deadly effect. There is only one thing in man’s world that can offer any check on the unlimited power of money—and that is government. That is why money always accuses government of trying to destroy free agency, when the great enslaver has always been money itself.

- Hugh Nibley
http://maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/publica ... ts/?id=162" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

How powerful is our "central bank?" The Federal Reserve controls our money supply and interest rates, and thereby manipulates the entire economy-creating inflation or deflation, recession or boom, and sending the stock market up or down at whim. The Federal Reserve is so powerful that Congressman Wright Patman, Chairman of the House Banking Committee, maintains:

"In the United States today we have in effect two governments… We have the duly constituted Government… Then we have an independent, uncontrolled and uncoordinated government in the Federal Reserve System, operating the money powers which are reserved to Congress by the Constitution."

Neither Presidents, Congressmen nor Secretaries of the Treasury direct the Federal Reserve! In the matters of money, the Federal Reserve directs them! The uncontrolled power of the "Fed" was admitted by Secretary of the Treasury David M. Kennedy in an interview for the May 5, 1969, issue of U.S. News & World Report:

"Q. Do you approve of the latest credit-tightening moves?

A. It's not my job to approve or disapprove. It is the action of the Federal Reserve."

http://www.ldsfreedomnetwork.com/none-d ... piracy.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It is interesting to note how many assassinations of Presidents of the United States follow their concern with the issuing of public currency; Lincoln with his Greenback, non-interest-bearing notes, and Garfield, making a pronouncement on currency problems just before he was assassinated. We now begin to understand why such a lengthy campaign of planned deception was necessary, from the secret conference at Jekyll Island to the identical “reform” plans proposed by the Democratic and Republican parties under different names. The bankers could not wrest control of the issuance of money from the citizens of the United States, to whom it had been designated through its Congress by the Constitution, until the Congress granted them their monopoly for a central bank.
- Eustace Mullins "Secrets of the Federal Reserve"

The ultimate solution will only come with the rejection of fiat money worldwide, and a restoration of commodity money. Commodity money if voluntarily and universally accepted could give us a single world currency requiring no money managers, no manipulators orchestrating a man-made business cycle with rampant price inflation.
— Ron Paul, Congressional Record, March 13, 2001
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Does that really get us out of the man-made business cycle....or is that just another blatant lie from a sith lord???

Money and the coming World Order
http://www.thegoldstandardnow.org/image ... -Order.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

versus the Constitution -

Article 1, Section 8 (Powers of Congress):

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;
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To make all Laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into Execution the foregoing Powers
http://www.usconstitution.net/xconst_A1Sec8.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Fiat money is money that derives its value from government regulation or law.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_money" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

No more government regulation or law concerning money? Who then makes the rules? Why the emphasis of monetary control by government (Congress) in the Constitution vs. the monetary "freedom" (competing currencies) of the previous failure - the Articles of Confederation???

Montagu Norman, Governor of the Bank of England, came to Washington on February 6, 1929, to confer with Andrew Mellon, Secretary of the Treasury. On November 11, 1927, the Wall Street Journal described Mr. Norman as "the currency dictator of Europe." Professor Carroll Quigley notes that Norman, a close confidant of J. P. Morgan, admitted: "I hold the hegemony of the world." Immediately after this mysterious visit, the Federal Reserve Board reversed its easy-money policy and began raising the discount rate. The balloon which had been inflated constantly for nearly seven years was about to be exploded.

To think that the scientifically engineered Crash of '29 was an accident or the result of stupidity defies all logic. The international bankers who promoted the inflationary policies and pushed the propaganda which pumped up the stock market represented too many generations of accumulated expertise to have blundered into "the great depression." Congressman Louis McFadden, Chairman of the House Banking and Currency Committee, commented:

"It [the depression] was not accidental. It was a carefully contrived occurrence… The international bankers sought to bring about a condition of despair here so that they might emerge as the rulers of us all."

http://www.ldsfreedomnetwork.com/none-d ... piracy.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Paul supports legalization of parallel currencies, such as gold-backed notes issued from private markets and digital gold currencies.[66] He would like gold-backed notes (or other types of hard money) and digital gold currencies[67] to compete on a level playing field with Federal Reserve Notes, allowing individuals a choice whether to use sound money or to continue using fiat money.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_ ... f_Ron_Paul" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

...remove the last vestiges of government influence over the federal reserve with the federal reserve replacement (on steroids)...fiat...if federal reserve notes can truly be called fiat...which they can only because Congress created the Federal Reserve and we are still holding to the Constitutional mandate that Congress has that power and has assigned it to the Federal Reserve)

The end result, if the Insiders have their way, will be the dream of Montagu Norman of the Bank of England "that the Hegemony of World Finance should reign supreme over everyone, everywhere, as one whole super-national control mechanism." (Montagu Norman by John Hargrave, Greystone Press, N.Y., 1942.)

http://www.ldsfreedomnetwork.com/none-d ... piracy.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The ultimate solution will only come with the rejection of fiat money worldwide, and a restoration of commodity money. Commodity money if voluntarily and universally accepted could give us a single world currency requiring no money managers, no manipulators orchestrating a man-made business cycle with rampant price inflation.
— Ron Paul, Congressional Record, March 13, 2001
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Lord Alfred Milner, wealthy English man and front man for the Rothschilds, served as paymaster for the International bankers in Petrograd during the Bolshevik Revolution. Milner later headed secret society known as The Round Table which was dedicated to establishing a world government whereby a clique of super-rich financiers would control the world under the guise of Socialism. The American subsidiary of this conspiracy is called the Council on Foreign Relations and was started by, and is still controlled by Leftist international bankers.

http://www.ldsfreedomnetwork.com/none-d ... piracy.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Lewis Lehrman (member Council on Foreign Relations)....

Money and the coming World Order
http://www.thegoldstandardnow.org/image ... -Order.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Let me issue and control a nation’s money and I care not who writes the laws.
- Mayer Amschel Rothschild (1744-1812), founder of the House of Rothschild

History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling the money and its issuance.
- James Madison, Father of the Constitution

If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.
- Thomas Jefferson

I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a monied aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.
- Thomas Jefferson

I think this is the most extraordinary collection of talent, of human knowledge, that has ever been gathered together at the White House, with the possible exception of when Thomas Jefferson dined alone.
- Remarks at dinner honoring Nobel Prize winners of the Western Hemisphere on 4/29/62 by JFK
http://www.jfklibrary.org/Research/Read ... tions.aspx" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

A man must have the discerning of spirits before he can drag into daylight this hellish influence and unfold it to the world in all it’s soul destroying diabolical horrid colors. For nothing is a greater injury to the children of men then to be under the influence of a false spirit when they think they have the spirit of God.

- Joseph Smith
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Welcome back Jason/Legion/John Michael Kane etc.! Looks like you're feeling a bit schizophrenic today.
InfoWarrior82 wrote: http://www.ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopi ... &start=120" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So many straw man arguments it's difficult to track them all...

"Why give the power to others when the government already has the power?"

Just like government has the power to provide security and private companies also have the power to provide security. There are so many more examples. You failed to make your point that competing currencies was against the constitution.

"Warning us about private banks while at the same time proposing private banks as the solution?"

His argument is solely on the fact that our federal government is conjoined with a private central bank that work in tandem to destroy us. Not that private banks are all evil and need to remain unaccountable.

"Ron Paul wants to completely abdicate the powers of congress over currency over to private banks."

False. Think USPS competing with UPS. The whole point of competing currencies is to prevent the establishment of a monolithic banking cartel from rising up. (Which we have now!) If you have a private side, people have a choice to run to the government when they want and vice versa.

I can accept that you may think his ideas are bad, but you take it too far when you claim he has evil intentions.

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The World Order controls the citizens of the United States through the tax exempt foundations. These foundations create and implement government policy through their staff members in key positions in the executive, legislative and judiciary departments. The foundations create educational policy through their staff members in key positions at every level of the educational system. The foundations control religious doctrine through their staff members in key positions in the leading religious denominations.

“Foundation” is a misleading term; Webster calls it an endowment, but a foundation is really a trust, which Roget states is a “syndicate”. If, instead of Rockefeller Foundation, we were to say Rockefeller Syndicate, we would be much closer to the truth. Alpheus T. Mason, in his biography of justice Brandeis, quotes Brandeis as pointing out that “Socialism has been developed largely by the power of individual trusts.” What we have then, are criminal syndicates masquerading as philanthropic enterprises while they inflict Socialist world slavery on nations and peoples for the benefit of the World Order.

Norman Dodd, director of research for the Reece Committee in its attempt to investigate tax exempt foundations, was asked by Congressman B. Carroll Reece in January, 1954, “Do you accept the premise that the United States is the victim of a conspiracy ?” “Yes,” said Dodd. “Then,” said Congressman Reece, “you must conduct the investigation on that basis.” B.E. Hutchinson, chairman of Chrysler Corp., although approving the goals of the investigation, warned Dodd, “If you proceed as you have outlined, you will be killed.”

Dodd stated,

“The foundation world is a coordinated, well-directed system, the purpose of which is to ensure that the wealth of our country shall be used to divorce it from the ideas which brought it into being. The foundations are the biggest single influence in collectivism.”

The 1975 Report of the Rockefeller Foundation showed a $100,000 grant to the Institute for World Order, operated by Prof. Saul Mendlovitz, who states in the Institute publication Transition, Oct. 1974,

“I am arguing for a new governance or alternative institutions to those now responsible for global concert; people will be demanding a central guidance system; it means a governance is about to come into being in which the policy elites in various nation states who have the authority and capacity to make decisions – will no longer have that as their prerogative. There will be a governance that will say – you can’t build an army anymore. You must give a certain amount of your economic income to other areas of the world.”

In short, a World Order – no national armies; no private incomes; no individual freedom.
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The Mont Pelerin Society

The present star of the Hoover Institution is Milton Friedman, who is credited with bringing economic disaster to Chile, Israel, the United States, and other countries in which his "monetarist" theories have been introduced. Friedman's "monetarism" is the same old bankers' swindle of endless creation of more interest bearing debt money, requiring ever increasing taxes merely to meet the interest payments. He and Jack Kemp are now pushing for a "flat tax" to lock Americans into a tax corral from which they can never hope to escape.

Friedman came to the Hoover in 1977 as senior research fellow, simultaneously accepting a post as economic consultant to the Federal Reserve Bank of San Francisco. He and his consort, Murray Rothbard, dominate a closely interlocked network of "hard money", "conservative" groups, which includes the Heritage Foundation, Mont Pelerin Society, Cato Institute, Ludwig von Mises Institute, and American Enterprise Institute, which hold banquet meetings, always with no visible result. Their mentor is the late Ludwig von Mises, born in Austria, and founder of "the Austrian School of Economics", who taught at New York University from 1946 until his death. The Institute is now run by his widow, Margit Herzfeld, to whom President Reagan said, at a testimonial dinner for her husband, "You don't know how often I consult the books of your husband before making a decision." She still doesn't know.

At the age of 16, Milton Friedman became the protege of Arthur Burns at Rutgers and Columbia. Their economic principles stemmed from the "Viennese School" founded by Karl Menger and Eugen von Bauwerk. Merger taught von Hayek, Eric Voegelin and Fritz Machluys. At that time. Vienna was dominated by the House of Rothschild, which had controlled the national debt of Austria since the Congress of Vienna in 1815. Austria's Tyrol silver mines were owned by the Rothschilds, as were her railways. Empress Elizabeth's closest friend was Julie de Rothschild, sister of Baron Albert, head of the Austrian House.

Count Richard Coudenhove-Kalergi, who founded the Pan European Union, was named after Richard Wagner, one of whose students was Gustav Mahler. Mahler's studies with Wagner were funded by Baron Albert de Rothschild. Coudenhove-Kalergi's father was a close friend of Theordor Herzl, founder of Zionism. Coudenhove-Kalergi writes in his "Memoirs":

"At the beginning of 1924, we received a call from Baron Louis de Rothschild; one of his friends, Max Warburg from Hamburg, had read my book and wanted to get to know us. To my great surprise, Warburg spontaneously offered us 60,000 gold marks, to tide the movement over for its first three years .... Max Warburg, who was one of the most distinguished and wisest men that I have ever come into contact with, had a principle of financing these movements. He remained sincerely interested in Pan-Europe for his entire life. Max Warburg arranged his 1925 trip to the United States to introduce me to Paul Warburg and financier Bernard Baruch."

In Chicago, Jane Adams of Hull House had been for five years a protege of Beatrice Webb, founder of the Fabian Society. In 1892, the University of Chicago was organized as the center of the Fabian Socialist program in America, with J. Laurence Laughlin, spokesman for the Cobden Club's "free trade" program in England. Laughlin later became Paul Warburg's chief propagandist to stump for the passing of the Federal Reserve Act.

John Dewey became head of the Sociology Dept. at the Univ. of Chicago; Wesley Clair Mitchell was head of the economics dept. In 1913, they moved to Columbia University. They were later hired by Baruch at the War Industries Board, and prepared all the statistics for American representatives at the Versailles Peace Conference. In Feb. 1920, Mitchell met with the rest of the staff of Baruch's War Industries Board in New York with a Round Table group financed by Kuhn Loeb & Co. and Lazard Freres, to found the Natl Bureau of Economic Research, of which Mitchell became director. His protege was Arthur Burns, later chmn of the Natl Bureau, chmn Federal Reserve Governors, partner of Lazard Freres, and U.S. Ambassador to West Germany. Burns then brought in his protege, Milton Friedman, who has proposed that we legalize the sale of dope to raise $100 billion a year for the GNP.

Wesley Clair Mitchell's career was devoted to uniting the Austrian and British schools of economics in a single force to direct the American economy. He achieved success through the careers of his proteges, Burns and Friedman, who offer us the "flat rate" tax to pay interest on their bank-created debt money. It is the ancient European system introduced by the House of Rothschild to loot national economies by the rentier system of national debt.

A keystone of the Friedman-Burns network is the Mont Pelerin Society, a secretive group of economists which meets every two years, but issues no findings or recommendations. These supposedly conservative hard money economists first met at Mont Pelerin, Switzerland in 1947 to oppose the leftwing statist economists who had dominated the field for fifty years. They were led by Frederick von Hayek, a graduate of the Viennese school of economics, who became a British citizen in 1938. He was Tooke prof. of economics, Univ. of London 1931-50, prof. of social and moral science at the Univ. of Chicago 1950-62, and prof. of economics Univ. of Freiburg 1962-69, when he retired to Salzburg. He was a disciple of Ludwig von Mises, who taught Henry Hazlitt, another founder of Mont Pelerin. Hazlitt reported the founding meeting in Newsweek, Sept. 25, 1961, listing among those present:

Jacques Rueff, economic director of France
Pedro Beltran, president of Peru
Sen. Luigi Einaudi, prof. economics at Turin 1901-35, Governor of the Bank of Italy 1945-48, president of Italy 1948-55
Dr. Ludwig Erhard, Economic Minister of Germany, director of World Bank
Wilhelm Roepke, Erhard's economic adviser
Trygve Hoff, Norway
Muller-Armack and William Rappard of Germany
Ludwig von Mises
Frank Knight
Milton Friedman
Henry Hazlitt

In 1962, the Mont Pelerin Society met at Knokke, Belgium, announcing that "The Mont Pelerin Society takes no formal action, passes no resolutions, and seeks no publicity." In 1970, the Society met in Munich, where Milton Friedman was elected president. Present were Wesley Campbell and Martin Anderson from the Hoover Institution. In 1974, 300 members of the Society met at Brussels, where they were addressed by Milton Friedman and his protege Murray Rothbard. Rothbard was sponsored by the Cato Institute, a "conservative" group whose director, Earl C. Ravenel, is also director of the Institute for Policy Studies, the leftwing policy-making organization founded by James Paul Warburg.

Cato Institute is funded by Charles Koch of Kansas, head of Koch industries, who amassed a fortune of $700 million. He also funds the Libertarian Party, which calls for opening U.S. borders to all illegal immigrants, legalizing of drugs, and other alarming recommendations. Koch funds these groups through his bank, Morgan Guaranty Trust of N.Y.

Cato gave a two year grant to Rothbard to write a book, "For a New Liberty", which says, "Before World War II, so devoted was Stalin to peace that he failed to make adequate provision against Nazi attack." Rothbard should have said, "So devoted was Stalin to murder that he killed most of his Army officers, leaving him vulnerable to Nazi attack." Rothbard asserts that the U.S. is imperialist and war-mongering, while the Soviet Union is peace-loving, rational and misunderstood! The Cato Institute magazine Inquiry lists 9 staff writers, among them Nat Hentoff of the Village Voice, Marcus Raskin, head of the Institute for Policy Studies, and Penny Lernoux, correspondent of the Nation, all of whom would be hurt if they were not described as extreme liberals.

In 1975, George Roche III, who had become a member of the Society in 1971, hosted the meeting at Hillsdale College, of which he is president. William Buckley, also a member, addressed the group with a routine encomium for von Hayek.

In 1980, the Mont Pelerin Society met at the Hoover Institution, with 600 members and guests present. Ralph Harris was guest speaker. As Margaret Thatcher's director of economics, he had been made Baron Harris of High Cross in 1979. Count Max Thurn, permanent secretary of the Society, also addressed the meeting. He is a member of the wealthy Thurn und Taxis family, closely related to the British royal family.

The Encyclopaedia of Associations lists the Mont Pelerin Society, c/o Edwin Feulner, treasurer, Box 7031, Alexandria, Va; secretary Dr. Max Thurn, Elizabethstrasse 4, Vienna. Feulner is president of the Heritage Foundation, served as confidential asst. to Secretary of Defense 1969-70; adm asst. Phil Crane 1940-44, public affairs fellow Hoover Institution 1965-67, chmn Institute Europan Strategy and Defense Studies London since 1979.

Heritage Foundation, part of the network of "conservative" groups, sponsored Reagan's posthumous award of the Medal of Freedom to Whittaker Chambers in March 1984. Its directors are:

Shelby Cullom Davis, director of Hoover
Joseph Coors, director of Hoover
Midge Decter, exec. director Committee for a Free World, her husband is "neo-conservative" Norman Podhoretz, editor of Commentary magazine
Robert Dee, chmn Smith Kline drug firm, director United Technologies with William Simon
William Simon, director Citibank, former Secretary of the Treasury
Lewis E. Lehrman, head of the Lehrman Institute
John D. Wrather, heir to an oil fortune, head of the entertainment conglomerate Wrather Inc. and director of Hoover.

Feulner claims that Heritage cooperates with more than 400 groups in the U.S. and 100 overseas. Honarary chairman is Frank Shakespeare. Chairman of the editorial board is David Meiselman of the Mont Pelerin Society. Richard Reeves mentions in the N.Y. Times Magazine, July 15, 1984: "Edwin J. Feulner is president of the Heritage Foundation, one of the right's most productive idea factories." He failed to cite a single "idea" produced by this factory. The star of Heritage and its closely affiliated American Enterprise Institute is Jeane Kirkpatrick, U.S. Ambassador to the U.N. She is routinely mentioned in terms of fulsome praise such as the Communist Party used to reserve for Stalin; National Review gushes over her, and also raves about "the ever gallant, charming, freedom-loving Friedmans" whose "energy, lucidity and patience" awes Buckley's propagandists.

Jeane Kirkpatrick has been prof. at Georgetown Univ. since 1967, chief of research American Enterprise Institute since 1977, director of Center for Strategic and International Studies at Georgetown. She is the wife of veteran intelligence operative Evron Kirkpatrick, OSS 1945, intelligence specialist Dept. of State 1946-54 as chief psychological intelligence research staff specializing in behavioural science (people control). He has been head of the American Political Science Association since 1954, and is president of the American Peace Society which publishes a quarterly called World Affairs.

The American Enterprise Institute (AEI) was founded by William J. Baroody and Milton Friedman in 1943; Baroody left in 1978 to take over the $7 million a year Center for Strategic and International Studies at Georgetown. His son, William Jr. former adviser to President Nixon, took over AEI and its staff of 150. Jr. was adm. asst. to Congressman Melvin Laird 1961-68, who then became Secretary of Defense; Baroody was spec. adviser at Defense 1969-73, spec. adviser to the President of the U.S. 1973-74, and is chairman Woodrow Wilson International Center for Scholars. Directors of American Enterprise Institute include:

Edward Bernstein
James S. Duesenberg, Presidential Council of Economic Advisers 1966-68, prof. at Harvard, director Federal Reserve Bank of Boston, Fulbright fellow Cambridge England 1954-55
Frederick A. Praeger, emigre N.Y. publisher who published a number of propaganda works for the CIA
Herbert Stein, A. Willis Robertson prof of economics, Univ. of Va., editor AEI publication The Economist since 1977, served on War Production Board 1941-44, Brookings Institution fellow 1967-69, Council of Economic Advisers 1969, chairman 1972-74
Robert H. Bork, prof. law at Yale, former Solicitor General and Acting Atty. Gen. of U.S. 1973-77
Kenneth W. Daum, former partner Cravath Swaine & Moore, Wall Street law firm, now prof. of law, Univ. of Chicago
D. Gale Johnson, prof. economics at Univ. of Chicago since 1944, economist with OPA 1942, State Dept. 1946, U.S. Army econ. 1948, adviser to Congress 1974-76, consultant to TVA, Rand Corp. and AID, director William Benton Fndtn
Robert Nisbet, John Dewey lecturer at John Dewey Society, Rockefeller Foundation grant 1975-78, scholar at AEI since 1978
James D. Wilson, Shattuck prof. at Harvard
Richard B. Madden, chmn exec. committee AEI, chairman Socony Mobil since 1956, director Pacific Gas & Electric, Del Monte and Weyerhauser
Willard C. Butcher, former chmn Chase Manhattan Bank
Charles T. Fisher III, president Natl Bank of Detroit, director General Motors, Detroit Edison
Richard D. Wood, president Eli Lilly drugs since 1961, director Standard Oil of Indiana, and Chemical Bank.

Thus the well-funded "Hard Right" American Enterprises Institute's board of directors reads much like that of the Rockefeller Foundation or the Hoover Institution -- the usual New York banks, Standard Oil, General Motors crowd. The World Order maintains control.

Lewis Lehrman, director of Heritage Foundation, and founder of the 1000 store Rite Aid drug chain, set up his own foundation in 1978. After agonizing over a trenchant attention-getting name, he chose the obvious, Lewis Lehrman Institute. Its president is Robert W. Tucker, member of the Council on Foreign Relations, professor at John Hopkins School of International Studies, which was made famous by the tenure of Owen Lattimore, denounced by Sen. McCarthy as a leading Soviet agent. Director of Lehrman Institute is Barton Biggs of Brookings Institution. Lehrman spent $13.9 million campaigning to be elected Governor of New York, but was easily beaten by Mario Cuomo, who only spent $4.8 million. The New Republic Dec. 5, 1983 featured an article by Sidney Blumenthal, "How Lewis Lehrman Plans to Take Over America."
http://modernhistoryproject.org/mhp?Art ... rder&C=7.4" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Money and the Coming World Order: The Creation of International Monetary Order by Lewis E. Lehrman
http://www.academia.edu/1108534/Money_a ... tary_Order" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Lehrman is a former President of Rite Aid and conservative activist. He is a former member of the Board of Directors of the Project for the New American Century, as well as a Trustee to the American Enterprise Institute and the Heritage Foundation. Lehrman was a managing director of Morgan Stanley in the late 1980s. After Morgan Stanley, in 1991, he established an investment company, L.E. Lehrman & Co. He was also an investor in George W. Bush's Arbusto Energy. He and Gilder were awarded the National Humanities Medal in an Oval Office ceremony on Thursday, November 10, 2005. The Medal was presented by President George W. Bush.

In 1983 he helped to found Citizens for America, an organization which aided Oliver North's campaign to supply the anti-communist Contra guerrillas in Nicaragua. In 1985, the organization was run for a short time by future lobbyist and convict Jack Abramoff. Abramoff was later fired for mismanaging the organization's funds.[6] During that year, Citizens for America sponsored a meeting in Angola between Angolan, Nicaraguan, Afghan, and Laotian anti-communist rebels. Lehrman personally attended the event, called the "Democratic International".

Lewis E. Lehrman was a member of the U.S. Gold Commission in 1981 with Congressman Ron Paul. In 1982, they co-authored the book The Case for Gold with a team of economists that included Murray Rothbard.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Lehrman" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

The True Gold Standard - A Monetary Reform Plan without Official Reserve Currencies by Lewis E. Lehrman
http://www.amazon.com/True-Gold-Standar ... 0984017801" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It's Not the Debt Ceiling -- It's the Dollar By Lewis E. Lehrman
http://spectator.org/archives/2011/06/0 ... ling-its-t" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Lew Lehrman is an investment banker and winner of the National Humanities Medal for his work in American history. He has written about economics in publications such as Harper's, The Washington Post, The New York Times, The Wall Street Journal, Weekly Standard, Crisis, Policy Review and National Review. His writings about monetary economics earned him an appointment by President Ronald Reagan to the Presidential Gold Commission in 1981. Along with Congressman Ron Paul, Lewis Lehrman collaborated on a minority report of the commission, which was published as The Case for Gold (1982).

http://mises.org/daily/author/1605/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

...and the war is far from over....
The push for a new gold commission (and calls by Newt Gingrich and Larry Kudlow for Lehrman to chair it) and the public interest it is engendering are not isolated events. Since publication of Eichengreen’s article, there has been much incremental movement in the general direction of the classical gold standard.

Leading Republican Party figures, including vice-presidential nominee Paul Ryan, have come to a consensus that monetary reform is important, perhaps even essential, to restarting economic growth and job creation. The party elites, who lean toward a price rule, and the conservative base, which favors the “golden rule,” are in accord.
http://nationalinterest.org/commentary/ ... tream-7451" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: Ron Paul runs - Ron Paul Wins!

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InfoWarrior82 wrote:Welcome back Jason/Legion/John Michael Kane etc.! Looks like you're feeling a bit schizophrenic today.
InfoWarrior82 wrote: http://www.ldsfreedomforum.com/viewtopi ... &start=120" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

So many straw man arguments it's difficult to track them all...

"Why give the power to others when the government already has the power?"

Just like government has the power to provide security and private companies also have the power to provide security. There are so many more examples. [1] You failed to make your point that competing currencies was against the constitution.

"Warning us about private banks while at the same time proposing private banks as the solution?"

His argument is solely on the fact that [2] our federal government is conjoined with a private central bank that work in tandem to destroy us. Not that private banks are all evil and need to remain unaccountable.

"Ron Paul wants to completely abdicate the powers of congress over currency over to private banks."

False. Think USPS competing with UPS. [3] The whole point of competing currencies is to prevent the establishment of a monolithic banking cartel from rising up. (Which we have now!) If you have a private side, people have a choice to run to the government when they want and vice versa.

I can accept that you may think his ideas are bad, but you take it too far when you claim he has evil intentions.
So many unanswered questions....

[1] What does it mean to "legalize the constitution"? Why is this required in order to have a competing currency? Have you examined the experience with competing currencies under the previously failed Articles of Confederation? The respective early writings in the Federalist Papers?

[2] First of all the Federal Reserve is a network of private banks. The Federal Reserve is not one bank. Its a policy board that represents the global banking network and establishes interest rates (now pretty much global in application). Work in tandem? Or doesn't one control the other? Haven't we been warned repeatedly about this (think Thomas Jefferson for starters)? Who (besides the collective people via government) can make private banks accountable? How are monopolies broken up? By the people or by collective people (i.e. government)?

[3] Prevent the establishment of a monolithic banking cartel from rising up? Are you serious??? What the heck is the Federal Reserve? You acknowledge that ("which we have now") yet proclaim there is a solution to prevent what has already occurred? That somehow the market (which is only acknowledged to be manipulated) will somehow correct itself? You mention a choice between government and private banking....how does that happen? Isn't the choice actually between the Federal Reserve (private banking) and ??? (private banking)? They drop one currency for another? If the government doesn't control the currency then who does?

Have you not read any of the books on this? For instance President Benson's highly recommended "None Call It Conspiracy" noted above?

We have a private banking problem (Federal Reserve). Will more private banking solve that problem?

Is this phrase true?
Let me issue and control a nation's money and I care not who writes the laws.

- Mayer Amschel Rothschild (1744-1812), founder of the House of Rothschild

This one?
History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling the money and its issuance.
- James Madison, Father of the Constitution

This one?
If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around them will deprive the people of all property until their children wake up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.
- Thomas Jefferson

This one?
I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. Already they have raised up a monied aristocracy that has set the government at defiance. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs.
- Thomas Jefferson

Was Thomas Jefferson an idiot? Off his rocker?

This one?
A piece appeared in the press noting that businessmen are insisting with increasing zeal on searching the minds and the hearts of their employees by means of polygraph tests. If any arm of government30 were to go so far, they would be met by horrified protests at this vicious attack on individual freedom, and rightly so. What is it that gives ordinary businessmen a power greater than that of the government? It is the capacity for giving or withholding money—nothing else in the world. This is the weapon that Satan chose from the beginning to place him and his plans beyond politics, and it has worked with deadly effect. There is only one thing in man's world that can offer any check on the unlimited power of money—and that is government. That is why money always accuses government of trying to destroy free agency, when the great enslaver has always been money itself.
http://maxwellinstitute.byu.edu/publica ... ts/?id=162" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Hugh Nibley wrong???
The ultimate solution will only come with the rejection of fiat money worldwide, and a restoration of commodity money. Commodity money if voluntarily and universally accepted could give us a single world currency requiring no money managers, no manipulators orchestrating a man-made business cycle with rampant price inflation.
— Ron Paul, Congressional Record, March 13, 2001
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2dH3_Lcf ... r_embedded" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

How will commodity money remove the managers and manipulators?
The London gold fixing or gold fix is the procedure by which the price of gold is determined twice each business day on the London market by the five members of The London Gold Market Fixing Ltd, on the premises of N M Rothschild & Sons. It is designed to fix a price for settling contracts between members of the London bullion market, but informally the gold fixing provides a recognized rate that is used as a benchmark for pricing the majority of gold products and derivatives throughout the world's markets. The gold fix is conducted in United States dollars (US$), Pound sterling (GBP), and the euro (€) daily at 10.30am and 3pm, London time, via a dedicated telephone conference facility.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_fixing" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
On the 12th September 1919 at 11.00am the first Gold Fixing took place.

The original five founding members were: N M Rothschild & Sons; Mocatta & Goldsmid; Samuel Montagu & Co.; Pixley & Abell; and Sharps & Wilkins.

For over 80 years we have been fixing the price of gold providing market users with the opportunity to buy and sell gold at a single quoted price. It also provides a published benchmark price that is widely used as a pricing medium by producers, consumers, investors and central banks.

The fix is carried out twice a day by the 5 members via a dedicated conference call facility.
http://www.goldfixing.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Gold Fixings
http://www.lbma.org.uk/pages/index.cfm? ... ld_fixings" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The first Silver Fixing took place in 1897 at the office of Sharps & Wilkins.

For over 110 years we have been fixing the price of silver providing market users with the opportunity to buy and sell silver at a single quoted price. It also provides a published benchmark price that is widely used as a pricing medium by producers, consumers and investors.

The fix is carried out once a day at 12 noon by the 3 members via telephone conference.
http://www.silverfixing.com/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Silver Fixings
http://www.lbma.org.uk/pages/index.cfm? ... er_fixings" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The London bullion market is a wholesale over-the-counter market for the trading of gold and silver. Trading is conducted amongst members of the London Bullion Market Association (LBMA), loosely overseen by the Bank of England. Most of the members are major international banks or bullion dealers and refiners.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_bullion_market" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Fiat money is money that derives its value from government regulation or law.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiat_money" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

No more government regulation or law concerning money? Who then makes the rules? What about the Constitution's statement of that power being granted to Congress (Representatives of the People)? What...is the Constitution wrong? Go back to the Articles of Confederation as the libertarians suggest???

What has the Lord stated about the Constitution???
"The gold standard is a modern, digital, information-sharing, global operating standard. Moreover, it is a stable, networking, efficient, price transmission system in the form of a stable international monetary standard," says Lewis E. Lehrman.

Big media is paying attention to proposals for a new Gold Commission. This concept first was floated by Kentucky Senator Rand Paul and reported by The Weekly Standard.

"A modern, digital, information-sharing, global operating standard," says Lehrman. Let's boot up that commission and take a really close look as to how gold might be the "golden bullet" to get an American economic miracle roaring. Gold: Dignity, Prosperity, and Liberty.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/201 ... ssion.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Paul supports legalization of parallel currencies, such as gold-backed notes issued from private markets and digital gold currencies.[66] He would like gold-backed notes (or other types of hard money) and digital gold currencies[67] to compete on a level playing field with Federal Reserve Notes, allowing individuals a choice whether to use sound money or to continue using fiat money.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_ ... f_Ron_Paul" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The powers of financial capitalism had another far-reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world system of financial control in private hands able to dominate the political system of each country and the economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements arrived at in frequent meetings and conferences. The apex of the systems was to be the Bank for International Settlements in Basel, Switzerland, a private bank owned and controlled by the world's central banks which were themselves private corporations. Each central bank...sought to dominate its government by its ability to control Treasury loans, to manipulate foreign exchanges, to influence the level of economic activity in the country, and to influence cooperative politicians by subsequent economic rewards in the business world.
- Carroll Quigley
The bankers could not wrest control of the issuance of money from the citizens of the United States, to whom it had been designated through its Congress by the Constitution, until the Congress granted them their monopoly for a central bank.

http://iamthewitness.com/books/Eustace% ... eserve.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Wasn't that a "legalization" of the Constitution? Where did we end up with that one?

Who controls the food supply controls the people; who controls energy can control whole continents; who controls money controls the world.
— Dr. Henry Kissinger

Money and the coming World Order
http://www.thegoldstandardnow.org/image ... -Order.pdf" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

"The gold standard is a modern, digital, information-sharing, global operating standard. Moreover, it is a stable, networking, efficient, price transmission system in the form of a stable international monetary standard," says Lewis E. Lehrman.
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/201 ... ssion.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Plan To Return America To the Gold Standard Set To Be Offered at Washington
http://www.nysun.com/national/plan-to-r ... set/87495/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I am at a loss to spell it out in a simpler concept/format....I've done the best I can do. If you don't get it by now then it doesn't seem like there's much hope....

Godspeed in building the kingdom...

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Re: Ron Paul runs - Ron Paul Wins!

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Jason, Mummy, Legion, etc, etc.

There is a good saying that if you cannot state something succinctly, you do NOT understand it.
Quit rumbling for hundreds of lines, but state succinctly your point, and then prove it by reason, correct principles, and logic.

I will answer one point now. You said that Free Competition in Currencies will create a monopoly over money. That is messed up! Free Competition in Currencies is the OPPOSITE of a monopoly.

Honest MONEY is just another product, like milk, concrete or computers. It MUST not have any government granted privileges or monopolies, if JUSTICE is to exist. Its just another product, and people must be free to transact in ANYTHING they please without being molested by government, if LIBERTY and JUSTICE to exist.

Get it? It is that simple. Stick to principles. On what principle would you initiate violence against your neighbor to prevent him from transacting in what he pleases? On what principle would you initiate this violence? And since you have no such moral right, neither does the government, because you cannot delegate an authority you do not have.

Get it? It is JUSTICE, a.k.a. private property, a.k.a. LIBERTY. What do you have against these? Your proposals violate all three!

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Re: Ron Paul runs - Ron Paul Wins!

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LoveIsTruth wrote:Brilliant! Alan Keyes Rocks!

Keyes to the Republic Vol. 1
President Obama and Mitt Romney




Ron Paul 2012!
Write him in if you have to!
I was about to say after 46+ pages of nonsense you finally got something right. But than you had to post Ron Paul 2012! What a bad joke. The difference between Alan Keyes and Ron Paul are very big! Alan Keyes believes the Declaration of independence is a spiritual manifesto, declaring not for this nation alone, but for all nations, the source of mans rights. Where your beloved Ron Paul treats the Declaration of independence as a political document. (repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell) Cleon Skousen was right about Alan Keyes. Maybe your not aware but Ron Paul and Alan Keyes sit on opposite sides brother.

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WOW! Now that is vintage Legion! Awesome posts! Evil Sith lord??? I like it.

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Re: Ron Paul runs - Ron Paul Wins!

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SempiternalHarbinger wrote:
LoveIsTruth wrote:Brilliant! Alan Keyes Rocks!

Keyes to the Republic Vol. 1
President Obama and Mitt Romney




Ron Paul 2012!
Write him in if you have to!
I was about to say after 46+ pages of nonsense you finally got something right. But than you had to post Ron Paul 2012! What a bad joke. The difference between Alan Keyes and Ron Paul are very big! Alan Keyes believes the Declaration of independence is a spiritual manifesto, declaring not for this nation alone, but for all nations, the source of mans rights. Where your beloved Ron Paul treats the Declaration of independence as a political document. (repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell) Cleon Skousen was right about Alan Keyes. Maybe your not aware but Ron Paul and Alan Keyes sit on opposite sides brother.
I don't care who Alan Keyes is. What he stated in the video is correct. Truth is truth, no matter the source. Ron Paul most closely squares with the teachings of the prophets and the scripture on Liberty and on things like "Thou shalt not steal."


That's why I will write him in.

Cheers.

:)

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