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SkyBird wrote:The Church claims to be teaching the "celestial" order and I would say the "potential" is there for celestial understanding but its words and deeds are very "telestial" and "terrestrial" in my opinion
I'm glad it is only an opinion.
In 2 Kings 5 Naaman was told that if he'd go to the river Jordan and wash himself seven times his flesh would return and he would be made clean. But he became enraged and stormed off. It wasn't until after his servants spoke to him that he went down in the water seven times...and his flesh returned and he was made clean.

My point here is that the church has all the necessary means for us to go to the Celestial kingdom...it is us that has to do the work necessary to get there. It ain't gonna be handed to us, we have to learn and grow in the light of Godliness until we can stand on our own.
It is up to each and every church member to study the word of God until it becomes a part of us. If the church is expected to force feed us then we really don't want it in the first place. If we want the Telestial we can have it. If we want the Terrestrial, we can have it. If we want the Celestial we can have that too. But it is us that has to adjust our lives and person in order to dwell there. None of us are going to be put where we cannot stand it, where we're totally uneasy.

Alma 41:11-13
11 And now, my son, all men that are in a state of nature, or I would say, in a carnal state, are in the gall of bitterness and in the bonds of iniquity; they are without God in the world, and they have gone contrary to the nature of God; therefore, they are in a state contrary to the nature of happiness.
12 And now behold, is the meaning of the word restoration to take a thing of a natural state and place it in an unnatural state, or to place it in a state opposite to its nature?
13 O, my son, this is not the case; but the meaning of the word restoration is to bring back again evil for evil, or carnal for carnal, or devilish for devilish—good for that which is good; righteous for that which is righteous; just for that which is just; merciful for that which is merciful.

A wicked person would not be able to withstand the presence of God. This would include unrepentant sinners that didn't take the time to become clean, pure and spotless through the blood of the Lamb.
SkyBird wrote:I don't see anyone being caught up into the City of Enoch...or walking around healing the sick and afflicted as Christ did.
Believe that there are miracles happening almost every day among the members of the LDS church. Priesthood holders are not supposed to go around soliciting blessings. Generally, they are to be asked, but many times in emergencies they have used priesthood power in helping others. There are many, many accounts of these kinds of things. I know for a fact that animals can benefit from priesthood blessings as well. Didn't someone mention Lectures on Faith and that it is faith that is the moving action in all things?

Read this:

The Gospel and Animals 1972 Ensign
I agree with what you have to say ... my point in the statements I made are to take the time to "see" the "god" in every soul regardless of who they are. The Church and its ordinances and ceremonies are here to "manifest" to us the true nature of godliness. And so it is with all religions. Miracles are performed every day in various places throughout the world from all cultures and peoples. Hence the name of the Holy Ghost would suggest to the mind and heart of an individual that the verb or adjective for the word "Holy" should point our minds to act in a certain way... "how do I manifest that word in my life?" It always gives me pause to repent and forgive ... "Holy" is in all the little acts of kindness and love we manifest. Hence the article you shared on the gospel and animals in our lives... it is so appropriate to the word "Holy" acts of kindness our "Ghost," (meaning our "Spirit") should be involved in daily.

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SkyBird wrote:I agree with what you have to say ... my point in the statements I made are to take the time to "see" the "god" in every soul regardless of who they are. The Church and its ordinances and ceremonies are here to "manifest" to us the true nature of godliness. And so it is with all religions. Miracles are performed every day in various places throughout the world from all cultures and peoples. Hence the name of the Holy Ghost would suggest to the mind and heart of an individual that the verb or adjective for the word "Holy" should point our minds to act in a certain way... "how do I manifest that word in my life?" It always gives me pause to repent and forgive ... "Holy" is in all the little acts of kindness and love we manifest. Hence the article you shared on the gospel and animals in our lives... it is so appropriate to the word "Holy" acts of kindness our "Ghost," (meaning our "Spirit") should be involved in daily.
I agree that our spirit can be called a ghost because of accounts in scripture where it is said that a person gave up the ghost (died). One real good account is the Savior, himself:

Matt 27:50
50 ¶Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.

However, without the Holy Ghost, the third member of the Godhead, or Jesus Christ and the atonement we cannot become sanctified or justified. We do not have the power to save ourselves. It is through being born again, the carnal side of us being ripped away and our spirit/ghost being permeated with God's power, light and goodness. It is Christ that makes us holy without spot, Moroni 10:32,33. It is the Holy Ghost, the Holy Spirit of Promise that seals upon the pure in heart their calling and election. We cannot seal upon ourselves our calling and election. Only the names of those whose name was entered into the Lamb's Book of Life will be exalted, being ratified by the Holy Ghost/Spirit of Promise.
SEE: https://www.lds.org/manual/eternal-marr ... e?lang=eng" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Elder Bruce R. McConkie said this:
“Even if a person progresses to that state of near-perfection in which his calling and election is made sure, in which he is ‘sealed up unto eternal life’ (D. & C. 131:5; 132:18–26), in which he receives ‘the promise … of eternal life’ (D. & C. 88:3–4), in which he is ‘sealed up unto the day of redemption’ (D. & C. 124:124; Eph. 1:13)—yet with it all, these great promises are secured only if the ‘performances’ are sealed by the Holy Spirit of Promise” (Mormon Doctrine, 361–62).

Acts 2:33
33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

Holy Spirit of Promise
The Holy Ghost is the Holy Spirit of Promise (Acts 2:33). He confirms as acceptable to God the righteous acts, ordinances, and covenants of men. The Holy Spirit of Promise witnesses to the Father that the saving ordinances have been performed properly and that the covenants associated with them have been kept.

They who are sealed by the Holy Spirit of Promise receive all that the Father has:D&C 76:51–60; ( Eph. 1:13–14; )
All covenants and performances must be sealed by the Holy Spirit of Promise to have force after this life:D&C 132:7, 18–19, 26;

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SkyBird wrote:I agree with what you have to say ... my point in the statements I made are to take the time to "see" the "god" in every soul regardless of who they are. The Church and its ordinances and ceremonies are here to "manifest" to us the true nature of godliness. And so it is with all religions. Miracles are performed every day in various places throughout the world from all cultures and peoples. Hence the name of the Holy Ghost would suggest to the mind and heart of an individual that the verb or adjective for the word "Holy" should point our minds to act in a certain way... "how do I manifest that word in my life?" It always gives me pause to repent and forgive ... "Holy" is in all the little acts of kindness and love we manifest. Hence the article you shared on the gospel and animals in our lives... it is so appropriate to the word "Holy" acts of kindness our "Ghost," (meaning our "Spirit") should be involved in daily.
I agree that our spirit can be called a ghost because of accounts in scripture where it is said that a person gave up the ghost (died). One real good account is the Savior, himself:

Matt 27:50
50 ¶Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.

However, without the Holy Ghost, the third member of the Godhead, or Jesus Christ and the atonement we cannot become sanctified or justified. We do not have the power to save ourselves. It is through being born again, the carnal side of us being ripped away and our spirit/ghost being permeated with God's power, light and goodness. It is Christ that makes us holy without spot, Moroni 10:32,33. It is the Holy Ghost, the Holy Spirit of Promise that seals upon the pure in heart their calling and election. We cannot seal upon ourselves our calling and election. Only the names of those whose name was entered into the Lamb's Book of Life will be exalted, being ratified by the Holy Ghost/Spirit of Promise.
SEE: https://www.lds.org/manual/eternal-marr ... e?lang=eng" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Elder Bruce R. McConkie said this:
“Even if a person progresses to that state of near-perfection in which his calling and election is made sure, in which he is ‘sealed up unto eternal life’ (D. & C. 131:5; 132:18–26), in which he receives ‘the promise … of eternal life’ (D. & C. 88:3–4), in which he is ‘sealed up unto the day of redemption’ (D. & C. 124:124; Eph. 1:13)—yet with it all, these great promises are secured only if the ‘performances’ are sealed by the Holy Spirit of Promise” (Mormon Doctrine, 361–62).

Acts 2:33
33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

Holy Spirit of Promise
The Holy Ghost is the Holy Spirit of Promise (Acts 2:33). He confirms as acceptable to God the righteous acts, ordinances, and covenants of men. The Holy Spirit of Promise witnesses to the Father that the saving ordinances have been performed properly and that the covenants associated with them have been kept.

They who are sealed by the Holy Spirit of Promise receive all that the Father has:D&C 76:51–60; ( Eph. 1:13–14; )
All covenants and performances must be sealed by the Holy Spirit of Promise to have force after this life:D&C 132:7, 18–19, 26;
With all due respect I agree with your analysis and interpretation of the scriptures quoted... The only suggestion I have for all those, including myself... is that there are "other interpretations" ... "multiple interpretations" of everything you have stated on levels we are not even cognitive of right now. I say this because I have seen visions of the glories where "Father" resides in Celestial thought that transcends every word the scriptures express. All our "beliefs" are based on what we individually perceive is our foundation of the "truth." FYI... what is really "Celestial" (How a person comes to be one) would shake the "core" of all organized religions... especially Mormonism. But that is the "test" isn't it. I was born a "Mormon" and will die a "Mormon" but that does not define who I am... It merely states what "tribe" I have chosen to be a part of here in the flesh. All things (powers and principalities) on this earth (matter itself) does and will testify of the "truth" according to how we each individually have chosen to belief it. Are there individuals on this earth who understand "Celestial" dimensions/beliefs that transcend what has been revealed to me... the Prophet Joseph Smith was one of those and I am sure there are others. (The three Nephites and John the beloved) who are still here on earth in some type of "translated" body have knowledge of "Celestial thought" that transcends what we quibble over here in our present state of mind. Our own "beliefs" will condemn us and our own "beliefs" can exalt us... it all depends on how "deep" we want to go down the rabbit hole to explore the many dimensions of the Holy Ghost... our own Holy Ghost is our "potential" to becoming like our Father in Heaven... it becomes our own personal innate sealing of the Holy Spirit of Promise... it becomes our true connection with Christ in "atonement"... it becomes our connection to being co-equal and co-eternal with Father and Christ and all others who are of the "same mind." Oh... there is so much to learn and understand!

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SkyBird wrote:there are "other interpretations" ... "multiple interpretations" of everything you have stated on levels we are not even cognitive of right now. I say this because I have seen visions of the glories where "Father" resides in Celestial thought that transcends every word the scriptures express. All our "beliefs" are based on what we individually perceive is our foundation of the "truth." FYI... what is really "Celestial" (How a person comes to be one) would shake the "core" of all organized religions... especially Mormonism.
First off, the true meaning of scripture is of no private interpretation.

2 Peter 1:20
20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.

Therefore, if there are a multiple amount of interpretations to any one scripture...this defies all logic and especially 2 Peter 1:20 If twenty people pray to get the meaning of exaltation, are they all going to get a different answer? If so this would cause nothing but doubt, chaos and disputations. God would not give a different answer to a multiple amount of people knowing this. And it would cause people to conclude that God doesn't know the answer or at best has one in the first place.

1 Nephi 10:19
19 For he that diligently seeketh shall find; and the mysteries of God shall be unfolded unto them, by the power of the Holy Ghost, as well in these times as in times of old, and as well in times of old as in times to come; wherefore, the course of the Lord is one eternal round.

God doesn't change, nor does his word so the idea of different interpretations doesn't fly. As a matter of fact, upon our own righteousness and steadfastness we can come to know all the mysteries of God until we know them in full.

Alma 12:10
10 And therefore, he that will harden his heart, the same receiveth the lesser portion of the word; and he that will not harden his heart, to him is given the greater portion of the word, until it is given unto him to know the mysteries of God until he know them in full.

So how can people come to know the mysteries of God by each person getting a different version? God's word is always the same, it is us that has to be in tune with the Holy Ghost so we can get the correct answer.

Then when a multitude of people come to know God's word, all alike, they become "one" with the Father and the Son. They think alike, act alike and understand alike. A multitude of interpretations could not accomplish this.

Doctrine and Covenants 35:2
2 I am Jesus Christ, the Son of God, who was crucified for the sins of the world, even as many as will believe on my name, that they may become the sons of God, even one in me as I am one in the Father, as the Father is one in me, that we may be one.

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Skybird,

You and joseph smith seem to know and grasp about the same amount as I see it. Onward and upward my friend! The Holy Ghost has told me once that the Holy Ghost is anyone that is acting as a vessel to a lower being. Angels speak by this power only to beings that are lower in order. You can be a Holy Ghost only to those below you in frequency and understanding. But to one with greater light and a higher vibration you cannot act as a Holy Ghost.
Zechariah 4 illustrates this through beautiful imagery. The same holds true with the Holy Spirit on the female side. All of us can become holy ghosts but not to sanctify ourselves, as someone stated we cannot give grace to ourselves and or make ourselves holy. If the Holy Ghost operates in the way Jesus and the Book of Mormon taught, it is not our own spirit, it is a spirit that is higher in order than our own. Just some thoughts:)

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freedomforall,

The only reason there are "degrees of glory" is because there are "multiple interpretations" of scriptures and beliefs of which path is the right one... and to everyone who receives a "glory" will think the one they are in is the "right one" ... where "God" dwells... and symbolically He is in and through all things. The "concept" of God being the same yesterday, today and forever has to do with His divine attributes, character and His/Her continued act of being perfect in them. This was taught by Joseph Smith in "Lectures on Faith" and was and still is called the "Doctrine" of our Church. Every prophet of every dispensation has taught this same principle and concept. The whole "restoration" is about this concept... every ordinance, ceremony, and priesthood ordination is symbolic of this concept. The "sealing" of the Holy Spirit of Promise is symbolic of this concept. JS taught it was the 1st principle (concept) of the gospel to know for a certainty the true character, attributes and perfections of God... everything else is just appendages to this foundational truth which makes us all co-equal and co-eternal with the Gods. What creates the "degrees of glory" is "multiple interpretation" of God and His words found in scripture. Do you know why this is so? Because most people place the "letter of the law" as being more important than the "character of godliness." I would suggest pondering the word "Holiness" found in our LDS Bible Dictionary... I will quote it here for our enlightenment:

"According to the Old Testament, things or places were holy that were set apart for a sacred purpose; the opposite of holy is therefore common or profane (1 Sam. 21:5; Ezek. 22:26; 42:20; 44:23; 48:13–15). Similarly a holy person meant one who held a sacred office. The Israelites were a holy people because they stood in a special relationship to Jehovah. Under the guidance of the Prophets it was seen that what distinguished Jehovah from the gods of the heathen was His personal character. The word holy therefore came to refer to moral character (Lev. 11:44; 19:2; 21:8; Isa. 6:3–8). Israel must be holy in character because the God of Israel was holy (Jer. 7:4–7; see also Matt. 5:48). The Law of Holiness (Lev. 17–26) shows how the attempt was made by means of ceremonial observances to secure this holiness of character. The attempt failed because the later Jews observed the letter and neglected the spirit; they attached more importance to the ceremonial than to the moral; and the result was a lapse into formalism. But in the writings of the Prophets it is clearly laid down that the value of worship in the eyes of God depends upon the personal character of the worshipper."


Notice "the later Jews observed the letter and neglected the spirit; they attached more importance to the ceremonial than to the moral; and the result was a laps into formalism." Is modern Israel any different? Doesn't history repeat itself? These are just questions we each need to answer about ourselves in relationship to what is really important. "In the writings of the Prophets it is clearly laid down that the value of worship in the eyes of God depends upon the personal character of the worshipper." Need I say more?

You can tell me the many ways your are separated from God and His grace and I will tell you how many ways we are connected to God and His grace. As I see and understand it, the "Holy Ghost" is a metaphor or an invitation for us to become a member of the godhead. It is a beautiful way of expressing the "potential" we each have to "become one" with Father and Christ.

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SkyBird wrote:freedomforall,

The only reason there are "degrees of glory" is because there are "multiple interpretations" of scriptures and beliefs of which path is the right one... and to everyone who receives a "glory" will think the one they are in is the "right one" ... where "God" dwells... and symbolically He is in and through all things. The "concept" of God being the same yesterday, today and forever has to do with His divine attributes, character and His/Her continued act of being perfect in them. This was taught by Joseph Smith in "Lectures on Faith" and was and still is called the "Doctrine" of our Church. Every prophet of every dispensation has taught this same principle and concept. The whole "restoration" is about this concept... every ordinance, ceremony, and priesthood ordination is symbolic of this concept. The "sealing" of the Holy Spirit of Promise is symbolic of this concept. JS taught it was the 1st principle (concept) of the gospel to know for a certainty the true character, attributes and perfections of God... everything else is just appendages to this foundational truth which makes us all co-equal and co-eternal with the Gods. What creates the "degrees of glory" is "multiple interpretation" of God and His words found in scripture. Do you know why this is so? Because most people place the "letter of the law" as being more important than the "character of godliness." I would suggest pondering the word "Holiness" found in our LDS Bible Dictionary... I will quote it here for our enlightenment:

"According to the Old Testament, things or places were holy that were set apart for a sacred purpose; the opposite of holy is therefore common or profane (1 Sam. 21:5; Ezek. 22:26; 42:20; 44:23; 48:13–15). Similarly a holy person meant one who held a sacred office. The Israelites were a holy people because they stood in a special relationship to Jehovah. Under the guidance of the Prophets it was seen that what distinguished Jehovah from the gods of the heathen was His personal character. The word holy therefore came to refer to moral character (Lev. 11:44; 19:2; 21:8; Isa. 6:3–8). Israel must be holy in character because the God of Israel was holy (Jer. 7:4–7; see also Matt. 5:48). The Law of Holiness (Lev. 17–26) shows how the attempt was made by means of ceremonial observances to secure this holiness of character. The attempt failed because the later Jews observed the letter and neglected the spirit; they attached more importance to the ceremonial than to the moral; and the result was a lapse into formalism. But in the writings of the Prophets it is clearly laid down that the value of worship in the eyes of God depends upon the personal character of the worshipper."


Notice "the later Jews observed the letter and neglected the spirit; they attached more importance to the ceremonial than to the moral; and the result was a laps into formalism." Is modern Israel any different? Doesn't history repeat itself? These are just questions we each need to answer about ourselves in relationship to what is really important. "In the writings of the Prophets it is clearly laid down that the value of worship in the eyes of God depends upon the personal character of the worshipper." Need I say more?

You can tell me the many ways your are separated from God and His grace and I will tell you how many ways we are connected to God and His grace.
If you believe in multiple interpretations then let it suffice that my understanding of Godliness, the Celestial kingdom and how and what is required of us to get there, is good enough for my own salvation. That which I have learned from scripture and born to me by the Holy Spirit is just as relevant to me as your beliefs are to you. On some of the things you believe, I profoundly disagree with. So be it. I stand by my testimony with all my soul; I also stand with the interpretations of scriptures I presented as truth. There is much scripture to back my beliefs, for my beliefs come from them. The Book of Mormon promises us that by continually seeking truth we can at some point know all the mysteries and I believe this promise. I also know that seeing Christ in this life is not a requirement for exaltation, though it is a lofty goal. If it were a requirement millions of people would have died believing in a glorious resurrection in vain. Faith, hope, charity, baptism, being born again, living righteously and carrying our own cross until the end of our lives qualifies us for eternal life. It's in the book!

Here is one example of my point:

Alma 24:22
22 And thus without meeting any resistance, they did slay a thousand and five of them; and we know that they are blessed, for they have gone to dwell with their God.

Alma 26:34
34 For behold, they would take up arms against their brethren; they would not suffer themselves to be slain. But behold how many of these have laid down their lives; and we know that they have gone to their God, because of their love and of their hatred to sin.

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I salute the divinity in you! And respect your beliefs dear brother!

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SkyBird wrote:I salute the divinity in you! And respect your beliefs dear brother!
Thank you.

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Kingdom of ZION wrote:
Ezra wrote:So your saying the Holy Ghost is the dead members of the church of the first born?
If you prefer to put it that way that's fine... Yes :)
Ghost's Plural as in those Beings who are Fourth Estate Beings whom are in the Spirit. There are five Archangels (Senior's/Third World or Creation), Noah, Moses, Elijah, Joseph Smith and Raphael. Then their is 144,000 Junior's or Second World or Creation Sons. And then their is Millions of Baby's or First World or Creation Sons.

Sweet&Noble wrote:As for Sweet&Noble who asked:
As this is not LDS Doctrine, what is the religion / denomination you follow Kingdom of Zion?
It has more then half of its foundation from Mormonism, but you are 100% right, it is not LDS doctrine.
I could show you where Joseph Smith came close to proclaiming openly that he was the one who stands in this creation in that Office (the Holy Ghost), but he said if he did that there were men seated behind him on the stand that would seek his life if he did so.

How do you think JS felt knowing that those whom were his Apostles would try to kill him for revealing truths that he knew were true and correct? Eventually it was such close associates that helped bring about his martyrdom, just as it did in the Messiah's day. Nothing new under the sun here! It will yet happen again.

Shalom
First of all I would like to offer sincere thanks to the constructive writers in this thread. I received a pearl recently that I couldn't grasp until I found this thread. As my signatute suggests this pearl of knowledge is expanding my knowledge and understanding rapidly while filling my soul with light and burning (the good kind.)

John 17 makes so much more sense now. SO much more sense. This chapter wasn't a nice prayer for his followers but a treasure trove of further light and knowledge just waiting to be unlocked.

The Gift of the Holy Ghost makes SO much more sense now.

JS's statement about the Holy Ghost being in a state of probation makes more sense.

JS's lament about being unable to tell the saints who he is and about saints dashing like pieces of the glass the moment they hear something that contradicts their traditions makes more sense.

Satan's push to convince Christianity that the trinity is some incomprehensible one-being leviathan makes even more sense.

I'm sure this will keep happening to me for some time. Just one question:

Why five archangels and not 7 for each dispensation?

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alaris wrote:First of all I would like to offer sincere thanks to the constructive writers in this thread. I received a pearl recently that I couldn't grasp until I found this thread. As my signatute suggests this pearl of knowledge is expanding my knowledge and understanding rapidly while filling my soul with light and burning (the good kind.)

John 17 makes so much more sense now. SO much more sense. This chapter wasn't a nice prayer for his followers but a treasure trove of further light and knowledge just waiting to be unlocked.

The Gift of the Holy Ghost makes SO much more sense now.

JS's statement about the Holy Ghost being in a state of probation makes more sense.

JS's lament about being unable to tell the saints who he is and about saints dashing like pieces of the glass the moment they hear something that contradicts their traditions makes more sense.

Satan's push to convince Christianity that the trinity is some incomprehensible one-being leviathan makes even more sense.

I'm sure this will keep happening to me for some time. Just one question:

Why five archangels and not 7 for each dispensation?
Actually their are Eight Dispensations, as the world will stand for Eight thousand years, and the Messiah did come in the Meridian or Center of time as JS declared to the world. (Adam fall 4004 BC to 27 AD and the Millennial world from 2027 AD-3027 AD, then the world is celestialized and rest from all it labors. The Seventh Estate Being, the Great Jehovah in the heavens, the Messiah's Grandfather, whom did not have to come down here in a body, is the Dispensation King of that Dispensation 3027 AD to 4027 AD.)

In the Original Garment, there were five marks of the Priesthood, as the naval mark was found on both front side panels of the Garment. Why did we use to Meet the Messiah at the Veil in the FIVE Points of fellowship? The Temple Allegory is not aloof and removed from revealing of eternal principles, patterns and knowledge. It is the people who treat sacred things as such, and discard eternal things by changing or discarding them... and with it so with their priesthood!

From this world shall come five Messiahs for the creations to come out of this creation. Once in a G_ds creations without end (as it says), one falls like the Creation before, where we only got four creations rather than five because of the fall of Lucifer. And instead of him becoming a Messiah, the world he is cast down to becomes the wickedest of all G_ds creations (that G_d's creations). We are living in just such a creation!

I stated a thread a long time ago, here called 'The Doctrine of Eternal Lives...'
viewtopic.php?f=14&t=18511&hilit=Estates" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

It may hold some answers that you are seeking

Shalom
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Kingdom of ZION wrote:
alaris wrote:First of all I would like to offer sincere thanks to the constructive writers in this thread. I received a pearl recently that I couldn't grasp until I found this thread. As my signatute suggests this pearl of knowledge is expanding my knowledge and understanding rapidly while filling my soul with light and burning (the good kind.)

John 17 makes so much more sense now. SO much more sense. This chapter wasn't a nice prayer for his followers but a treasure trove of further light and knowledge just waiting to be unlocked.

The Gift of the Holy Ghost makes SO much more sense now.

JS's statement about the Holy Ghost being in a state of probation makes more sense.

JS's lament about being unable to tell the saints who he is and about saints dashing like pieces of the glass the moment they hear something that contradicts their traditions makes more sense.

Satan's push to convince Christianity that the trinity is some incomprehensible one-being leviathan makes even more sense.

I'm sure this will keep happening to me for some time. Just one question:

Why five archangels and not 7 for each dispensation?
Actually their are Eight Dispensations, as the world will stand for Eight thousand years, and the Messiah did come in the Meridian or Center of time as JS declared to the world. (Adam fall 4004 BC to 27 AD and the Millennial world from 2027 AD-3027 AD, then the world is celestialized and rest from all it labors. The Seventh Estate Being, the Great Jehovah in the heavens, the Messiah's Grandfather, whom did not have to come down here in a body, is the Dispensation King of that Dispensation 3027 AD to 4027 AD.)

In the Original Garment, there were five marks of the Priesthood, as the naval mark was found on both frond side panels of the Garment. Why did we use to Meet the Messiah at the Veil in the FIVE Points of fellowship? The Temple Allegory is not aloof and removed from revealing of eternal principles, patterns and knowledge. It is the people who treat sacred things as such, and discard eternal things by changing or discarding them... and with it so with their priesthood!

From this world shall come five Messiahs for the creations to come out of this creation. Once in a G_ds creations without end (as it says), one falls like the Creation before, where we only got four creations rather than five because of the fall of Lucifer. And instead of him becoming a Messiah, the world he is cast down to become the wickedest of all G_ds creations. We are living in just such a creation!

I stated a thread a long time ago, here called 'The Doctrine of Eternal Lives...'
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It may hold some answers that you are seeking

Shalom
Thank you for your response and time. I will read through the other thread before posting my follow-up questions (should I have any - I'm sure I'll have some :) )

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Let's get something straight from the get go...Jehovah is Jesus Christ; Jehovah/Spirit is the Father and Jesus/Flesh is the Son, being Father and Son...as taught in Mosiah 15:1-5

1 And now Abinadi said unto them: I would that ye should understand that (a)God (Big G) himself shall come down among the children of men, and shall redeem his people. See: Isa. 54:5, 1 Tim. 3:16, Mosiah 13:34 (33–34),

2 And because he (a)dwelleth in flesh he shall be called the (c)Son of God, and having subjected the flesh to the will of the (e)Father, being the Father and the Son— See: Mosiah 3:5, Mosiah 7:27, Alma 7:9 (9–13), John 19:7, Ether 3:14,

3 The Father, (a)because he was (b)conceived by the power of God; and the Son, because of the flesh; thus becoming the Father and Son— See: D&C 93:4, Mosiah 3:8 (8–9), 3 Ne. 1:14,

4 And they are (a)one God, yea, the very (b)Eternal (c)Father of heaven and of earth.
See: Deut. 6:4, Alma 11:39, Hel. 14:12, 3 Ne. 9:15, Ether 4:7

5 And thus the flesh becoming subject to the Spirit, or the Son to the Father, being one God, (a)suffereth temptation, and yieldeth not to the temptation, but suffereth himself to be mocked, and scourged, and cast out, and disowned by his people.
See: Heb. 4:15,

So we have God/Elohim and Jehovah, his firstborn Son, Firstborn Spirit...They are Father and Son
Then we have Jehovah the Creator/Father of all things, and Jesus/Son/Flesh that Jehovah dwelt in while on earth...being Father and Son, the Eternal Father/God

The Holy Ghost is, the Spirit, Holy Spirit, Spirit of God, Comforter and Holy Spirit of Promise...all inclusive.

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ajax wrote:
joseph tam wrote:I was just wondering does any one know the name of the holy Ghost.
What's your name?

Ding ding, ding!

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Jules wrote: December 21st, 2014, 10:09 pm The identity of the Holy Ghost is revealed in the endowment ceremony, among other places. This might help - Jeremy wrote an amazing article that helps clarify this. It's well worth the long read:

http://www.journeytothefullness.com/the ... endowment/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Thank you for sharing this. Very enlightening.

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President Young said in General Conference on April 9, 1852 this:

"It is true that the earth was organized by three distinct characters, namely, Elohim, Jehovah, and Michael, these three forming a quorum, as in all heavenly bodies, and in organizing element, perfectly represented in the Deity, as Father, Son, and Holy Ghost."

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This equates Elohim with the Father, Jehovah with the Son, and Michael with the Holy Ghost.

This also seems to say that the Father Son and Holy Ghost are offices in John 17 unity that exist everywhere throughout infinite space, and are held by finite personages for each earth.

The doctrine of Michael, or Adam, as the one holding the office of Holy Ghost is also found in the non-LDS Mormon revelations found in the Second Book of Commandments.

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So, you guys with the bruised chests.  Most of us Im guessing are already aware that this poor planet has been stumbling its way through 3D and is suffering significantly for all its missteps.  The question here--on a forum nominally concerned with spiritual matters--the question here is, what are the spiritual principles involved?

Where would that discussion begin?
 
 

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ErickImice wrote: August 23rd, 2020, 2:12 am the question here is, what are the spiritual principles involved?

Where would that discussion begin?
Elaborate

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Michael...

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What is truly incredible is there are names and titles all over the place for the Holy Ghost - all over our scriptures, yes, but certainly all over the apocrypha. 3 Enoch lists 70 names:

(1) Seventy names has Metatron which the Holy One, blessed be He, took from his own name and
put upon him. And these they are:

YeHOEL-YaH, YeHOEL, YOPHIEL and Yophphiel, and APHPHIEL and MaRGeZIEL,
GIPpUYEL, Pa'aZIEL, 'A'aH, PeRIEL, TaTRIEL, TaBKIEL,'W, YHWH, DH, WHYH, 'eBeD,
DiBbURIEL, 'aPh'aPIEL, SPPIEL, PaSPaSIEL, SeNeGRON, MeTaTRON, SOGDIN, ADRIGON,
ASUM, SaQPaM, SaQTaM, MIGON MITTON, MOTTRON, ROSPHIM, QINOTh, ChaTaTYaH,

DeGaZYaH, PSPYaH, BSKNYH, MZRG, BaRaD.., MKRKK, MSPRD, ChShG, ChShB,
MNRTTT, BSYRYM, MITMON, TITMON, PiSQON, SaPhSaPhYaH, ZRCh, ZRChYaH, B',
BeYaH, HBH BeYaH, PeLeT, PLTYaH, RaBRaBYaH, ChaS, ChaSYaH, TaPhTaPhYaH,
TaMTaMYaH, SeHaSYaH, IRURYaH, 'aL'aLYaH, BaZRIDYaH, SaTSaTKYaH, SaSDYaH,
RaZRaZYAH, BaZRaZYaH, 'aRIMYaH, SBHYaH, SBIBKHYH, SiMKaM, YaHSeYaH,
SSBIBYaH, SaBKaSBeYaH, QeLILQaLYaH, fKIHHH, HHYH, WH, WHYH, ZaKklKYaH,
TUTRISYaH, SURYaH, ZeH, PeNIRHYaH, ZIZ'H, GaL RaZaYYa, MaMLIKYaH, TTYaH,
eMeQ, QaMYaH, MeKaPpeRYaH, PeRISHYaH, SePhaM, GBIR, GiBbORYaH, GOR, GORYaH,
ZIW, 'OKBaR, the LESSER YHWH, after the name of his Master, (Ex. xxiii. 21) "for my name is in
him", RaBIBIEL, TUMIEL, Segansakkiel ('Sagnezagiel' / 'Neganzegael), the Prince of Wisdom.

(2) And why is he called by the name Sagnesakiel? Because all the treasuries of wisdom are
committed in his hand.


Wow it's been a while since I've read this. YaHoel is just an alt spelling of the same Hebrew characters sometimes spelled as Jahoel / Jehoel, etc. '"Lesser YHWH" - after the name of his Master "for my name is in him"'

This is me staring at folks -> :arrow: :arrow: ... well no good smileys represent. Imagine a "come on folks!" look. Maybe hands raised a bit.

Here are some titles in the scriptures:

Sword of the Lord
Voice of the Lord
Mouth of the Lord
Arm of the Lord
Messenger of the Lord
Angel of the Lord
Comforter
"My servant David"
Angel of the Church of Philedelphia
"Mine Angel"
He that sitteth upon the throne
Another Angel (the other angel)
Rod of Jesse
Marred Servant
Servant
Bridegroom

To name a few ...

D&C ONE: 2 For verily the voice of the Lord is unto all men, and there is none to escape; and there is no eye that shall not see, neither ear that shall not hear, neither heart that shall not be penetrated.

John 18:37 Pilate therefore said unto him, Art thou a king then? Jesus answered, Thou sayest that I am a king. To this end was I born, and for this cause came I into the world, that I should bear witness unto the truth. Every one that is of the truth heareth my voice.

D&C 88:2 The Lord who shall suddenly come to his temple; the Lord who shall come down upon the world with a curse to judgment; yea, upon all the nations that forget God, and upon all the ungodly among you.
3 For he shall make bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the nations, and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of their God.

Revelation 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.
17 And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.


Mine Angel
The Spirit

This is the greatest mystery kept hidden from the foundation of the world. And, yes, you're reading about it here..

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What's funny is this thread is one I hit when I first signed up here on LDSFF - the beginning of this journey of awakening. And there is SO much evidence out there confirming this truth - that the Holy Ghost is sitting upon Michael's throne (which is why Michael was equated to Holy Ghost by BY. That is the dominion perfectly represented by Michael)

I don't know how to enunciate this any more clearly. What are the chances I come here declaring this truth to you and oh look - all these Nag Hammadi, Dead Sea Scrolls, and lost books like the Apocalypse of Abraham, The Books of Enoch, the testament of the patriarchs, the Discourse on Abbaton, the writings of the apostles all discovered after Joseph Smith died .... ALL testify of this truth. This plain and precious truth. Jesus came here to become a Father. The Holy Ghost is His heir. The Atonement is such that we may always have His Spirit to be with us. We are baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost. We are told to receive the Holy Ghost - and all of this pertains to futurity.

At what point do the constant discoveries of further reinforcement of this truth become a mathematical impossibility?

The Ascension of Isaiah witnesses of both this truth and the seven levels of mankind......

https://lordoftheseraphim.blogspot.com/ ... ter-4.html

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