"whosoever was found denying their freedom was speedily executed"

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mes5464
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"whosoever was found denying their freedom was speedily executed"

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Let this sink in.
And thus it became expedient that this law should be strictly observed for the safety of their country; yea, and whosoever was found denying their freedom was speedily executed according to the law.
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Don't forget the 'according to the law' part of this scripture...

The law we live under has been corrupted into Babylonian/luciferian law, that is...in whatever manner those with the power choose to define it, and they will enforce that law with extreme violence.

We are militarily outclassed.

Best to exercise 'measured response'.

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So, mes5464 EXTACLY what do you suggest be done based upon your op?

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I will attempt to answer both of these at once.
buffalo_girl wrote:Sounds a bit like the Muslim extremist jihad against anyone NOT willing to embrace Islam.
durangout wrote:So, mes5464 EXTACLY what do you suggest be done based upon your op?
It is a crime to deny your freedom (agency). This is one of the crimes that Lucifer was guilty of in the pre-mortal life. A crime is something which can be punished. Lucifer and his followers were punished by being denied a physical body and being cast down to earth. Later they will be case out completely into Outter Darkness. (Spiritual Death) The denial of agency (freedom) is a capital crime and resulted in the death penalty for 1/3 of the hosts of heaven.

This is not like jihad because freedom of religion is one of the rights (freedoms) a person is guaranteed. Now, Islam might have a problem under this standard because it is intolerant of other religions and seeks to deprive people of their right to life, liberty, property, and religion simply for not being Muslim.

How does one [deny] their freedom?

Entering into slavery. (Like the Egyptians that sold themselves into slavery to Pharaoh during the famine or when Europeans sold themselves into indentured servitude in exchange for passage to the Americas.)
Promoting the depriving of a right. (Anyone found supporting the idea of property tax, civil asset forfeiture, all gun regulations, anti-discrimination, etc.)

Why are these capital crimes?

As we have seen that the homosexual agenda has hammered on the subject of same-sex marriage for decades until they have finally perverted the law into legalizing it, even so, all deniers of freedom will hammer away at liberty until they can pervert any law into denying freedom. The act of denying freedom is in fact a form of warfare on liberty and can only be defeated with death (spiritual or physical). We have seen this tactic playing out for decades with gun rights. We are now seeing the same happening with religious freedom where people are being punished for refusing to cook someone else a cake or take their picture. In fact all anti-discrimination laws are a perversion. We are also seeing a war on free speech (free speech zones, people arrested for expressing opinions, and people calling for the censoring of speech like on the internet).

Conclusion

These crimes are worthy of death, and only by punishing (executing) people for the crime of denying not only their own freedom but the freedoms of others can we safe guard our country and our liberties. ("this law should be strictly observed for the safety of their country")

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Many people, including many LDS people, contribute to the destruction of freedom/liberty in ignorance of what they are doing and/or which politicians, legislation, and programs they support. Reminds me of the Arizona state legislator who suggested to a Church area seventy that the Church discontinue reading the bi-annual letter to congregations telling them to register and vote because most Mormons vote in ignorance and make things worse. I am personally acquainted with 3 of the 4 legislators present in that discussion and none will say who actually said it.

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It does seem harsh. Let's paint a clear picture. The Christians were in the minority. The constitutional law of the land was the Law of Moses. The king men had conspired and combined to overthrow Pahorah and succeeded and had sent the Lamanites a letter. In this letter, they declared that they had taken control and desired an alliance to rule and to squash Christianity. Captain Moroni did not seek war abroad. War had come to his front door.
Alma 48:14 Now the Nephites were taught to defend themselves against their enemies, even to the shedding of blood if it were necessary; yea, and they were also taught never to give an offense, yea, and never to raise the sword except it were against an enemy, except it were to preserve their lives.

15 And this was their faith, that by so doing God would prosper them in the land, or in other words, if they were faithful in keeping the commandments of God that he would prosper them in the land; yea, warn them to flee, or to prepare for war, according to their danger;

16 And also, that God would make it known unto them whither they should go to defend themselves against their enemies, and by so doing, the Lord would deliver them; and this was the faith of Moroni, and his heart did glory in it; not in the shedding of blood but in doing good, in preserving his people, yea, in keeping the commandments of God, yea, and resisting iniquity.
Moroni did not go to war without first obtaining authority from God to do so, which he explained to Pahoran in his epistle.
34 And now behold, I, Moroni, am constrained, according to the covenant which I have made to keep the commandments of my God
to which Pahoran replied graciously:
19 And now, Moroni, I do joy in receiving your epistle, for I was somewhat worried concerning what we should do, whether it should be just in us to go against our brethren.

20 But ye have said, except they repent the Lord hath commanded you that ye should go against them.
Amaleckiah and his brother Ammoron wanted to rule not only the Lamanites, but all the Nephites as well. They were systematically taking control wherever they went.

The Lord gave a law to His people, even the ancients and also to Nephi:
D&C 98:11 And I give unto you a commandment, that ye shall forsake all evil and cleave unto all good, that ye shall live by every word which proceedeth forth out of the mouth of God.

12 For he will give unto the faithful line upon line, precept upon precept; and I will try you and prove you herewith.

13 And whoso layeth down his life in my cause, for my name’s sake, shall find it again, even life eternal.

14 Therefore, be not afraid of your enemies, for I have decreed in my heart, saith the Lord, that I will prove you in all things, whether you will abide in my covenant, even unto death, that you may be found worthy.

15 For if ye will not abide in my covenant ye are not worthy of me.

16 Therefore, renounce war and proclaim peace, and seek diligently to turn the hearts of the children to their fathers, and the hearts of the fathers to the children...

23 Now, I speak unto you concerning your families—if men will smite you, or your families, once, and ye bear it patiently and revile not against them, neither seek revenge, ye shall be rewarded;

24 But if ye bear it not patiently, it shall be accounted unto you as being meted out as a just measure unto you.

25 And again, if your enemy shall smite you the second time, and you revile not against your enemy, and bear it patiently, your reward shall be an hundred-fold.

26 And again, if he shall smite you the third time, and ye bear it patiently, your reward shall be doubled unto you four-fold;

27 And these three testimonies shall stand against your enemy if he repent not, and shall not be blotted out.

28 And now, verily I say unto you, if that enemy shall escape my vengeance, that he be not brought into judgment before me, then ye shall see to it that ye warn him in my name, that he come no more upon you, neither upon your family, even your children’s children unto the third and fourth generation.

29 And then, if he shall come upon you or your children, or your children’s children unto the third and fourth generation, I have delivered thine enemy into thine hands;

30 And then if thou wilt spare him, thou shalt be rewarded for thy righteousness; and also thy children and thy children’s children unto the third and fourth generation.

31 Nevertheless, thine enemy is in thine hands; and if thou rewardest him according to his works thou art justified; if he has sought thy life, and thy life is endangered by him, thine enemy is in thine hands and thou art justified.

32 Behold, this is the law I gave unto my servant Nephi, and thy fathers, Joseph, and Jacob, and Isaac, and Abraham, and all mine ancient prophets and apostles...
The Lord commanded us to turn the other cheek. But He also gave provisions whereby His people are justified in defending themselves if they want to be preserved to fulfill His commandments. Yes, the Nephites could have all prostrated themselves as the Anti-Nephi-Lehis did and obtained a greater reward. That would have cut short the purposes of the Lord concerning Lehi's seed, though. And if the Lord's people obey God precisely, then He will fight the battles for His people. Should not the bridegroom defend his bride, Zion, if she is worthy? Indeed the Lord preserved the Nephites until they were ripe for destruction. But at this stage in the game, they were not. Quite the contrary:
Alma 46:15 And those who did belong to the church were faithful; yea, all those who were true believers in Christ took upon them, gladly, the name of Christ, or Christians as they were called, because of their belief in Christ who should come.

16 And therefore, at this time, Moroni prayed that the cause of the Christians, and the freedom of the land might be favored.

17 And it came to pass that when he had poured out his soul to God, he named all the land which was south of the land Desolation, yea, and in fine, all the land, both on the north and on the south—A chosen land, and the land of liberty.

18 And he said: Surely God shall not suffer that we, who are despised because we take upon us the name of Christ, shall be trodden down and destroyed, until we bring it upon us by our own transgressions.

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Naturally,
...it became expedient that this law should be strictly observed for the safety of their country; yea, and whosoever was found denying their freedom was speedily executed according to the law.
Those (king men) who were found denying their (free men) freedom were in violation of the law. Even today, it is wrong to deny others their liberty, especially in the middle of a coup.

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