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Fake Covid News from the Guardian

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A very obvious piece of governnent propaganda masquerading as news in the Guardian. I have seen it shared by several people I know, and it is very heavily promoted on some websites.

Consider this:

* The article doesn't give any locations, or the name of the source. It is supposedly in the UK, probably England. If I gave this level of vagueness on a report, it would be called anecdotal and "cherry picking". This means it is impossible to trace and verify. Like a lot of GC stories.
* Secondly, this exact line of "my patience is wearing thin" and "compassion fatigue" was being parroted in Canada a couple of months ago so is obviously part of a set plan of responses along with "Build Back Better" etc.
* It demonstrates an "enemy within" mentality, straight out of the totalitarian playbook. It aims to dehumanise them, and to push totalitarian ID and
* Note the handwaving regarding corportate corruption, people worried about side effects etc. But at least it admits side effects are real.
* Not one of the overflow wards built in 2020 has been used, despite all the claims that UK hospitals are bursting at the seams. They aren't.

It doesn't tally with reality. All the people I know who've been in hospital with Covid recently have been double jagged. All of them, without exception. 80% of the cases in Scotland are double jagged, 90% at least one. I don't have "compassion fatigue" with those who are seriously ill, regardless of whether they have had the jag or not.

Gibraltar, the most heavily jagged place in the world is having a lockdown this Christmas. But Boris Johnson was talking about this way back in May. Lying scum.

I'm inclined to think this was not written by who they claim, but is probably commissioned by government committee.

https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/ ... aring-thin

ICU is full of the unvaccinated – my patience with them is wearing thin
Anonymous

In hospital, Covid-19 has largely become a disease of the unvaccinated. The man in his 20s who had always watched what he ate, worked out in the gym, was too healthy to ever catch Covid badly. The 48-year-old who never got round to making the appointment. [And we can't verify who either of these folk are.]

The person in their 50s whose friend had side-effects. The woman who wanted to wait for more evidence. The young pregnant lady worried about the effect on her baby. [As if these are unreasonable concerns - sheesh! Aren't all these examples a bit... cliché? I don't know any under sixties in hospital with this, even now.]

The 60-year-old, brought to hospital with oxygen saturations of 70% by the ambulance that he initially called for his partner, who had died by the time it arrived; both believed that the drug companies bribed the government to get the vaccine approved. [Even though they waived liability so no one here can sue them? Why's that Anon?]

All severely ill with Covid. All unvaccinated and previously healthy. All completely avoidable. [All melodramatic clichés we can't verify.]

Of course, there are people who have their vaccinations but still get sick. [Yeah, there are a helluva lot of them.] These people may be elderly or frail, or have underlying health problems. Those with illnesses affecting the immune system, particularly patients who have had chemotherapy for blood cancers, are especially vulnerable. Some unlucky healthy people will also end up on our general wards with Covid after being vaccinated, usually needing a modest amount of oxygen for a few days. [Except for all those sportsmen and women dropping dead on the pitch recently. Just coincidence. All had underlying problems. ]

But the story is different on our intensive care unit. Here, the patient population consists of a few vulnerable people with severe underlying health problems and a majority of fit, healthy, younger people unvaccinated by choice. [Don't know ANY under sixties in hospital with this? Do you?] Watching the mix of patients coming in with Covid, it feels to me like hardly anybody has been vaccinated nowadays; of course, this is because the people that have been vaccinated are getting on with their lives at home. [No, they haven't, they're just as locked down as the rest of us.] If everyone got vaccinated, hospitals would be under much less pressure; this is beyond debate. [No it isn't. Read up on Gibraltar, the most heavily vaxd place on Earth.] Your wait for your clinic appointment/operation/diagnostic test/A&E department would be shorter. Your ambulance would arrive sooner. Reports of the pressure on the NHS are not exaggerated, I promise you. [Yes, Mr. Anonymous Civil Servant posing as a doctor, I really do believe you.]

Furthermore, we have recently rolled out a new medication for patients without antibodies against Covid. It costs about £2,000 a treatment and is subject to a rigorous and time-consuming approval process for every case we treat. Guess which patients don’t have these antibodies (spoiler: it’s not the ones who have been vaccinated).

Most of the resources that we are devoting to Covid in hospital are now being spent on the unvaccinated.

Yes, vaccinations are unpleasant. They cause side-effects. [You admit that now.] They hurt. You may even still catch Covid afterwards. I have many colleagues who have felt awful after vaccination and a few who had to take a day or two off work. [Bit more than that. Try a week or two.] However, I have not heard of any who have been hospitalised with Covid afterwards or who have had severe side-effects. [So this expert knows 20 somethings with it, but no one who is double jagged and has had it? Colour me sceptical.] The approvals process was incredibly stringent and we now have an unbelievable amount of real-world data that these vaccines work. The science that has been applied here is nothing short of awe-inspiring to me. [A godsend indeed.] However, I realise that none of these rational arguments would change the mind of someone who is resolved against having it, although I suppose it may push someone who remains undecided.

As a respiratory doctor [Not the usual term for that line of work...], I have spent my whole career treating people whose lung diseases have been caused by smoking, including long after they knew the risks. I have spent countless hours with people who blame themselves for ruining their health; I have thought a lot about our personal responsibility for our health and to what degree we should be held accountable for our choices. I personally – unlike some of my colleagues – have never felt any ambivalence about treating smokers without judgment in exactly the same way as people with diseases that are not seen as self-inflicted.

Enshrined in the way we protect patients’ autonomy is the recognition that others may reasonably make decisions we may see as irrational or wrong. We are all products of our upbringing, education and opportunities, and I have been hugely fortunate that in my case these have led me to make decisions I value. Who is to say I wouldn’t have made different choices in someone else’s shoes.

Translating this to the choice not to take the vaccine, however, I find my patience wearing thin. I think this is for a number of reasons. [Yes, because you've been told to say it, and it is a clone of "compassion fatigue" from Canada a couple of months ago.] Even if you are not worried about your own risk from Covid, you cannot know the risk of the people into whose faces you may cough; there is a dangerous and selfish element to this that I find hard to stomach. [I don't cough in people's faces... thanks for that.]

Some of my frustration is directed upwards, at the flagrant misinformation flourishing in certain places and the utterly woeful example that our leaders continue to set. I have never heard a reason not to take the vaccine that I have agreed with. [[Of course not, this is a propaganda piece. No health objections, fatal side effects, objections from other parts of society including vegans.] Most of all, however, I am now beaten back, exhausted, worn down by the continuous stream of people that we battle to treat when they have consciously passed up the opportunity to save themselves. It does make me angry. [One sided propaganda makes me angry. Especially when it ignores people dying from the shots.]

Despite this, I find the idea of NHS [National Health Service] and care staff being forced to be vaccinated very difficult. [Feigning compassion now.] I know that it is the right outcome, but I dislike the means of bringing it about. It is incredible to me that there is so much anxiety and falsehood around that this could possibly be necessary after the year we have all witnessed. How strong is the hold that this information has on people that it outweighs rational thought?

Maybe it’s just that others have not seen what I have recently, or do not believe it, but even now we have nurses on our Covid ward who have not been vaccinated. I just hope that we don’t end up losing yet more staff.

Fundamentally though, for me, it comes down to this. I can’t think of a single case offhand of a person who was previously fit and healthy who has ended up needing intensive care after being fully vaccinated. [We've been listing them here.] It may not stop you from catching Covid. [So what's the point? Or transmitting it.] But it can save your life when you do. [or not.]

The writer is an NHS respiratory consultant who works across a number of hospitals. [Deliciously vague. Doesn't even give their proper job title.]

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These types of news articles are horrible and do nothing to further the cause of vaccination.

Name of the consultant? Position? The names of the hospitals where this is happening? The vaccination rate of the areas in question? The percent in the hospital that are vaccinated or not?

Too LITTLE information.

I once respected the Guardian. I thought Glenn Greenwald did a stand up job with Edward Snowden.

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Subcomandante wrote: November 22nd, 2021, 1:47 pm These types of news articles are horrible and do nothing to further the cause of vaccination.

Name of the consultant? Position? The names of the hospitals where this is happening? The vaccination rate of the areas in question? The percent in the hospital that are vaccinated or not?

Too LITTLE information.

I once respected the Guardian. I thought Glenn Greenwald did a stand up job with Edward Snowden.
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I'm not a fan of the Guardian for various reasons. One of them is their coverage of Scotland which varies between the non-existent to the contemptuous.

But there is so much hogwash in here. ALL the people I know in hospital with Covid recent had at least two shots. Without exception. Is this person supposed to tell me Scotland is somehow different? All of them, possibly bar one were over sixty. We're talking about seven people here at least.

They also claim that there is a plague of twenty unvaccinated twenty somethings descending on the hospitals. Not true. Covid never went for them last year and won't this year. The rate there is ridiculously small unless there is a major mutation and virulent strain (which there isn't.)

The basic aim here is "us and them". Good, nice normies vs dangerous looney antivaxxers. Best lock 'em up as enemies of the people.

At least this government propaganda piece admits side effects are real, but it downplays them. I know at least two people who took blood clots on the lung from this - pulmonary embolism- one of them is dead.

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When i repeat what I see out there to supporters of the restrictions I am accused of cherry picking and anecdotal evidence. However, it seems okay for them to do this, when someone called "John" says his relative died of Omicron or the anonymous medical person above. This is an obviously planted news story like this one. In the UK, the propaganda arm is called the 77th. I'm almost certain the following story is a plant, because they can't help using certain phrases.

Everything that follows is from an article with my commentary included.
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/omicron-varia ... 52893.html

UK's 'first Omicron victim' [Note quote marks] died after refusing COVID vaccine
Chris Parsons

The stepson of a man said to be [i.e. not proven to be] the UK's first victim of Omicron has said he died from the variant after refusing COVID vaccines. [Well, of course...]

The highly-transmissable coronavirus variant [They've been getting more and more transmissable] is said to have [there's that phrase again!] officially hospitalised 15 people in the UK so far, but experts have warned that its spread may mean [Yes, "may", not "will"] as many as one million Britons have to self-isolate on Christmas Day.

The UK recorded its highest number of daily coronavirus cases since the pandemic began on Wednesday, with experts now advising people to 'prioritise who they socialise with' this Christmas.

After Boris Johnson confirmed the UK's first Omicron-related death earlier this week, a relative of the victim has said the man died after refusing to be vaccinated because he 'thought it was a conspiracy'. [Funny, earlier in the article, he was only "said to be" his relative, now it's an established fact.]

The family member, who gave his name as 'John' and said he was the victim's stepson, told LBC his stepfather was 'healthy and never went out', but died from COVID-19 on Monday after being hospitalised last week. [First he's a family member, then he's someone who "said he was".]

He said: "He was healthy - he ate healthily and didn't smoke - he was a recluse to be honest with you. He never went out, he had his shopping brought to him. [Funny, this sounds like the checklist in the Guardian article above.]

"The only place he went to was the bin outside the block he lived in, and the post box. He was one of the cleanest guys I knew." [So if this is true, how did he catch it? He was clean and in a personal lockdown.]

The caller was then asked by LBC presenter Nick Ferrari: "Had he had his vaccinations?"

He replied: "No. No vaccinations, and this is the important thing. He wasn't vaccinated at all. My sister is gutted, but on the other hand is a little bit angry that he never took these vaccines.

"She did have an argument with him at the end of October about this very thing - getting vaccinated."

'John' described how his stepfather fell ill at the start of December, 'had started to look good' after receiving hospital treatment in Northampton, but then 'went downhill'. [Northampton is the only verifiable detail in this whole story.]

He later said his stepfather 'would probably still be here... had he been vaccinated'.

Ferrari asked him: "What was his reason for not getting the vaccination?"

The caller went on: "He thought it was a conspiracy. He was an intelligent man, but all these different things you're getting online and from the media that 'it's not real'... they're conspiracy theories really." [Yes, of course those pesky "conspiracy theories". Yet apparently this man more or less self-isolated and barely met anyone, had his food delivered etc as we were told to last year. Seems contradictory.]

"He started to look good, but then went downhill."

When asked if it's an 'overreaction because of the numbers hospitalised from Omicron: "If you're vaccinated and you've got your booster, you should be alright. It's the ones who havn't got it. [Sounding like a government shill trying to speak like Joe Public.]

"Had he been vaccinated, he'd probably still be here. He might be ill, but he might still be here." [More government talk.]

The details emerged [i.e. the guy claiming to be the stepson of someone who supposedly died of omicron] as Professor Chris Whitty warned the Omicron wave of coronavirus sweeping the UK will “peak quite fast”. [Despite its discoverer Dr. Coetzee saying it was mild.]

Prof Whitty told the Commons Health and Social Care Committee that he believed the doubling rate for Omicron would slow down, as it was clear people were already taking precautions. [Maybe like staying in, as this supposed victim did, as related by "John".]

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