The Standoff in Oregon and Killing of Robert “LaVoy” Finicum

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Toto wrote: May 16th, 2017, 10:49 pm larsenb

See viewtopic.php?t=17430#p197506

Note the lack of response to my post.

Mr. Topham is no longer on the planet. In my opinion, his passing was the last thread of constitutional government.
Very interesting. How strange to ignore this very clear requirement to hold state office (take an oath that should be registered with the Secy. of State of Utah). I guess its just one more item indicating we've been derailed . . . and an important one at that. Along with somehow doing away w/the office of Secy. of State of Utah.

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It’s encouraging to see someone take note for a change larsenb. In preparing for a court case, an associate of mine contacted Dr. Edwin Viera Jr. who advised Larry not argue the Oath of Office issue and the lawful money in the same case or they would beat him up on procedure. He stated that the Oath of Office issue was a “slam dunk.” Subsequently Larry got beat up on procedure and lost his case.

The precedent setting Supreme Court case on the Oath of Office provision is Parker v. Overman 59 U.S. 137 (1855) which has never been overturned.

See https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federa ... /case.html

It involved a sheriff’s sale in which the Sherriff had not filed his oath of office and the court ruled all his acts were vitiated…

The record shows that Payton S. Bethel, the then Sheriff of the County of Dallas, did not file his oath as assessor on or before the 10th of January, as required by law. He did file an oath on the 15th of March, but this was not a compliance with the law, and conferred no power on him to act as assessor. On the contrary, by his neglect to comply with the law,, and any assessment made by him in that year was void, and could not be the foundation for a legal sale. The neglect, also, to file his assessment and give immediate notice on the 25th of March, so that the purchaser might have his appeal at the next county court, was an irregularity which would have avoided the sale even if the assessment had been legally made.
The statute makes the time within which these acts were to be performed material, and a strict and exact compliance with its requirements is a condition precedent to the vesting of any authority in the officer to sell.


At the time, my research indicated the violations of the Oath of Office provisions were being violated in many states, if not all.

I attempted to notify the Idaho three percenters of the issue regarding the Hammond case, but received no response.

In Utah, Scott Matheson was the first to violate the provisions, followed by Norm Bangerter who said it was recorded by the media and that was good enough, but it was not in compliance with the law. So some free men held an election to fill the vacancy as required. Pete Gortat was elected Governor, and Larry Topham made secretary of state, an office without term limits, in order to fill the vacancies as required by law. When Gortat resigned, Topham, as secretary of state, assumed the responsibility as acting Governor as per the original Utah Constitution until the vacancy was filled.

So the change from secretary of state to Lieutenant Governor was an act of “unofficial misconduct” by individuals who had not qualified by the Oath of Office provisions as required by law. That was in the Leavitt administration. But when examining the Oaths of Office at the "unofficial" Division of Archives, the only record for Leavitt was an oversized “camera ready” document in which at the bottom was some fine print saying the was not an official Oath of Office and the Leavitt and Walker intended to file as required during the official time period. But the “official” oath of office was never found.

I have since distanced myself from political activism due to lack of interest. Sadly, this Abu Ghraib style treatment of political prisoners like Ammon Bundy continues through actions by courts corrupt beyond recognition. And in Nevada, well, I heard nobody is allowed to even bring a printed Constitution into the courts.

Now I'm just another happy idiot in my struggle for the legal tender who carries a silver umbrella hoping to protect myself from the spill-out from the hand basket.

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http://sonsoflibertymedia.com/feds-plan ... h-retrial/


"The attorneys and Judge Gloria Navarro demonstrate that they have no shame in what they will do in their relentless pursuit of men charged with multiple accounts from the Bundy Ranch siege 2014. In the latest move by the prosecution, they are seeking to use participation in their stand at Sugar Pine Mine in April 2015, the White Hope Mine in August 2015 and membership in the Idaho III% militia against them in a retrial set for this summer.

In April, the jury found Greg Burleson and Todd Engel guilty on several charges against them but was a hung jury when it came to the charges against Richard Lovelien, Scott Drexler, Eric Parker, and Steven Stewart. While the prosecution has sought to dismiss the remaining charges against Burleson and Engel for retrial, claiming it would save the court and the government time, they remain unwilling to do so for the other four men, whom they failed to make a case against so that the jury would find them guilty. In fact, their case was so poor, that documents from the jury indicate that they were leaning towards a verdict of “Not Guilty” on the most serious charges of conspiracy. In the latest move by the prosecution, they are seeking to introduce evidence, which they claim is “of intent, preparation, plan, knowledge, identity, absence of mistake, modus operandi, and /or lack of accident.” The prosecution claims the evidence is “inextricably intertwined with, the conspiracy charged in the Superseding Indictment.”

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Hey, check this out. People speaking out at camp liberty in Pahrump NV, where Ammon Bundy and others are being held without due process.

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Toto wrote: May 18th, 2017, 10:54 pm It’s encouraging to see someone take note for a change larsenb. In preparing for a court case, an associate of mine contacted Dr. Edwin Viera Jr. who advised Larry not argue the Oath of Office issue and the lawful money in the same case or they would beat him up on procedure. He stated that the Oath of Office issue was a “slam dunk.” Subsequently Larry got beat up on procedure and lost his case.

The precedent setting Supreme Court case on the Oath of Office provision is Parker v. Overman 59 U.S. 137 (1855) which has never been overturned.

See https://supreme.justia.com/cases/federa ... /case.html

It involved a sheriff’s sale in which the Sherriff had not filed his oath of office and the court ruled all his acts were vitiated…

The record shows that Payton S. Bethel, the then Sheriff of the County of Dallas, did not file his oath as assessor on or before the 10th of January, as required by law. He did file an oath on the 15th of March, but this was not a compliance with the law, and conferred no power on him to act as assessor. On the contrary, by his neglect to comply with the law,, and any assessment made by him in that year was void, and could not be the foundation for a legal sale. The neglect, also, to file his assessment and give immediate notice on the 25th of March, so that the purchaser might have his appeal at the next county court, was an irregularity which would have avoided the sale even if the assessment had been legally made.
The statute makes the time within which these acts were to be performed material, and a strict and exact compliance with its requirements is a condition precedent to the vesting of any authority in the officer to sell.


At the time, my research indicated the violations of the Oath of Office provisions were being violated in many states, if not all.

I attempted to notify the Idaho three percenters of the issue regarding the Hammond case, but received no response.

In Utah, Scott Matheson was the first to violate the provisions, followed by Norm Bangerter who said it was recorded by the media and that was good enough, but it was not in compliance with the law. So some free men held an election to fill the vacancy as required. Pete Gortat was elected Governor, and Larry Topham made secretary of state, an office without term limits, in order to fill the vacancies as required by law. When Gortat resigned, Topham, as secretary of state, assumed the responsibility as acting Governor as per the original Utah Constitution until the vacancy was filled.

So the change from secretary of state to Lieutenant Governor was an act of “unofficial misconduct” by individuals who had not qualified by the Oath of Office provisions as required by law. That was in the Leavitt administration. But when examining the Oaths of Office at the "unofficial" Division of Archives, the only record for Leavitt was an oversized “camera ready” document in which at the bottom was some fine print saying the was not an official Oath of Office and the Leavitt and Walker intended to file as required during the official time period. But the “official” oath of office was never found.

I have since distanced myself from political activism due to lack of interest. Sadly, this Abu Ghraib style treatment of political prisoners like Ammon Bundy continues through actions by courts corrupt beyond recognition. And in Nevada, well, I heard nobody is allowed to even bring a printed Constitution into the courts.

Now I'm just another happy idiot in my struggle for the legal tender who carries a silver umbrella hoping to protect myself from the spill-out from the hand basket.
Thanks for info. Good grief. I'd never heard of this issue. Dismaying.

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Read through this report to get a clearer understanding of what happens to those who seek 'redress of grievances' through peaceable assembly and legal appeal.

https://theintercept.com/2017/05/27/lea ... urgencies/

Also, read through the 'leaked' & released documentation for a full dose of childish justification of a militarized response to those who stand 'in the way' of corporate agendas and/or government corruption.

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Supporters of Rancher Bundy Build Mock Jail Cell Near Prison

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states ... nts-prison

BLM misconduct probe may derail Bundy Ranch standoff trial

http://www.azcentral.com/story/news/loc ... /97450944/

Judge rejects Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy attempt to jump-start trial

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nat ... 332769001/

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Russian collusion confirmed: Bill and Hillary Clinton personally made $2.85m selling US uranium to Russia

At least $2.85 million dollars flowed to the Clinton Family through a series of five Russian-backed donations after a massive uranium deal was signed off by the State Department and other agencies during Hillary’s tenure.

And if that’s not enough, Mr. Clinton received an additional $500,000 from a Russian investment bank with ties to Uranium One, bringing the grand total influx from Russia to $2,800,000. To top it off, the donations went unreported by the Clinton Foundation.


More here: http://www.hangthebankers.com/russian-c ... um-russia/

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSLMgYRcYFg

More evidence of corruption in government to steal land in Nevada and Oregon for natural resources sales.

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buffalo_girl wrote: June 26th, 2017, 12:21 pm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XSLMgYRcYFg

More evidence of corruption in government to steal land in Nevada and Oregon for natural resources sales.
Thank you much BG. I posted several videos, several months ago, with Lazaro and others talking about a huge hedge fund by many Oregon crooks, including Judge Brown, engaged in trying to steal Uranium from ranchers by harassment, and threats, thus feeding the pockets of the Clinton Foundation and others. This is what happened to the Hammond's.
I haven't heard one word of any criminal charges going against all or any of these criminals we call political leaders, engaged in this conspiracy. Sheriff, Dave Ward is a puppet as well having been assigned and not elected.
And the Bundy's are being held without due process in Pahrump, Nevada Southern Detention Center, NV, beaten, tortured and treated like wild animals without due process of law.

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FBI Agent Indicted In Rancher Shooting

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An FBI agent is facing federal charges for allegedly lying about his role in the deadly shooting of Robert "LaVoy" Finicum in Oregon. Finicum was an Arizona rancher killed at a wildlife refuge during an armed standoff with authorities in 2016.

He was one of the leaders of the standoff at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. The rancher tried to outrun officials after driving off the road to avoid a police blockade. He was shot and killed as he appeared to reach into his jacket.

A federal indictment was unsealed against FBI agent W. Joseph Astarita. He is accused of lying about firing his gun twice during the Oregon operation.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/salvadorhernan ... her-during

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"declaration from Deschutes County Sheriff Shane Nelson just as FBI agent W. Joseph Astarita was pleading not guilty to three counts of making false statements and two counts of obstruction of justice in federal court in Portland, Oregon.

The FBI agent was accused of firing at the protesters, then picking up shell casings to conceal that fact and lying to investigators.

The U.S. Attorney’s Office in Oregon said Astarita falsely stated he had not fired his weapon during the attempted arrest of protester LaVoy Finicum, who was shot dead by another officer during the incident, “when he knew he had in fact fired his weapon.”

“Astarita also knowingly engaged in misleading conduct toward Oregon State Police officers by failing to disclose that he had fired two rounds during the attempted arrest,” the statement said.

Nelson said, as the Washington Times reported, that the actions by “multiple members of the FBI Hostage Rescue Team” had “damaged the integrity of the entire law enforcement profession, which makes me both disappointed and angry.”

Get David Kupelian’s culture-war blockbusters, “The Marketing of Evil,” “How Evil Works” and his latest, “The Snapping of the American Mind” at the WND Superstore. Also available in e-book and audiobook versions.

Nelson said he told Justice Department and FBI officials, including now-acting Director Andrew McCabe, over a year ago about “possible criminal conduct” by some involved FBI Hostage Rescue Team agents.

And while the case against Astarita is in court, new evidence also is arising from the makers of an acclaimed documentary about the incident.

WND reported earlier on the armed standoff that has been variously described by opponents as “militia terrorism” and by defenders as rebellion against government tyranny.

The 41-day standoff ended in mass arrests after law enforcement fatally shot one of the occupiers.

The documentary is “American Standoff,” and while it aired previously on DirecTV, it can now be viewed in its entirety at this website. Among the people interviewed in the documentary is best-selling author and WND Vice President David Kupelian.

The “American Standoff” story starts with Dwight and Steven Hammond, Oregon ranchers who were controversially convicted and sentenced for setting a controlled land-management fire on their property that went out of control onto federal land. But after they served their sentences and were released, a judge – at a federal prosecutor’s insistence – ordered them back into court, where they were sentenced to further time in prison under an anti-terrorism law, even though there was no evidence presented that the ranchers had planned or engaged in terrorism in any way.

Sympathetic ranchers and others – encouraged by the federal government’s stand-down from a previous armed confrontation in Nevada two years earlier on the land of rancher Cliven Bundy – protested the new injustice and ended up staging an armed occupation of the refuge.

They succeeded in keeping federal officers at bay until they were finally taken into custody when police staged a highly dangerous highway stop of vehicles carrying the protesters and shot two men.

Ryan Bundy, one of Cliven Bundy’s sons, was injured, while LaVoy Finicum was killed.

Eventually, seven of the others who were arrested were acquitted of federal charges related to the standoff. The feds even dismissed charges against a self-described independent broadcaster, Peter Santilli, who documented the occupation near Burns, Oregon, but was accused by prosecutors of being part of the protest group.

However, one of the FBI agents was charged with serious infractions of the law for the final confrontation. So far, Astarita is the only FBI agent to be indicted.

In addition to the feature-length “American Standoff” documentary, director Josh Turnbow and his film-making crew have now produced a series of “Aftermath” short video segments that have been posted online.

In the first, Jeanette Finicum, the widow of LaVoy Finicum, explains how the government, after killing her husband, also canceled the lease she needed to continue her family’s ranching operation.

She said she has lawyers fighting to restore the lease.

And she said a wrongful death case is inevitable against the government after a certain legal time period passes.

She insists her husband had his hands in the air and was surrendering but “was murdered.”

“He was mowed down in cold blood.”

Then, the video explains, the federal agents were “caught on camera, picking up casings before the forensic team arrived at the site of the shooting.”

Also, the video shows, Finicum’s gun, which he reportedly had been reaching for, wasn’t found for eight hours after the shooting.

“How many people tended to his body without finding it?” the video asks."

http://www.wnd.com/2017/06/sheriff-back ... tLjkvrs.99

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The Truth About LaVoy Finicum's MURDER & Why YOU Should Care (with John Lamb)


Enraged Monckton Warning to BLM: Your Days Are Numbered!


WOW!

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Roger Stone's speech at a Las Vegas event designed to bring a greater awareness to the political corruption allowing members of the Bundy family to be unjustly incarcerated for over 17 months. Stone gives a powerful performance, and does he ever excoriate Harry Reid.

Thanks to DConrad000 for previously posting this at: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=9823&start=4710#p794544

Stone's participation in this event underscores Trump's own awareness and previous involvement with this issue as indicated by an article written by Donald Trump, which appeared in the Reno Gazette about a year ago; here: http://www.rgj.com/story/opinion/voices ... /78422530/ Stone had been a campaign manager for Trump and has known him for over 40 years.

I wasn't aware of any of the other 14 Republican candidates ever mentioning this controversy. Donald Trump was the only one.

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larsenb wrote: July 22nd, 2017, 11:38 am Roger Stone's speech at a Las Vegas event designed to bring a greater awareness to the political corruption allowing members of the Bundy family to be unjustly incarcerated for over 17 months. Stone gives a powerful performance, and does he ever excoriate Harry Reid.

Thanks to DConrad000 for previously posting this at: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=9823&start=4710#p794544

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Stone's participation in this event underscores Trump's own awareness and previous involvement with this issue as indicated by an article written by Donald Trump, which appeared in the Reno Gazette about a year ago; here: http://www.rgj.com/story/opinion/voices ... /78422530/ Stone had been a campaign manager for Trump and has known him for over 40 years.

I wasn't aware of any of the other 14 Republican candidates ever mentioning this controversy. Donald Trump was the only one.
When I say Harry Reid I feel like I'm cussing. In case anyone here is not aware, Harry is the one who labeled supporters of the Bundy's in 2014...domestic terrorists.

I'm sure glad that Chris Monckton is fighting for our freedom. Apparently he had a lot to do with Director Comey getting ousted from the FBI, having spoken to Trump and getting him convinced to get Comey fired. Comey, I suppose, is in bed with the Clinton Foundation and this is why he didn't indict Hillary.
Now Chris M is going after the BLM and a few other agencies to stir a hornets nest. He and some others have lawyers lined up and are going to Trump to get the Bundy's pardoned. I hope this will transpire, but I won't hold my breath. How about ya'all?

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freedomforall wrote: July 22nd, 2017, 9:45 pm
larsenb wrote: July 22nd, 2017, 11:38 am Roger Stone's speech at a Las Vegas event designed to bring a greater awareness to the political corruption allowing members of the Bundy family to be unjustly incarcerated for over 17 months. Stone gives a powerful performance, and does he ever excoriate Harry Reid.

Thanks to DConrad000 for previously posting this at: viewtopic.php?f=1&t=9823&start=4710#p794544

Stone's participation in this event underscores Trump's own awareness and previous involvement with this issue as indicated by an article written by Donald Trump, which appeared in the Reno Gazette about a year ago; here: http://www.rgj.com/story/opinion/voices ... /78422530/ Stone had been a campaign manager for Trump and has known him for over 40 years.

I wasn't aware of any of the other 14 Republican candidates ever mentioning this controversy. Donald Trump was the only one.
When I say Harry Reid I feel like I'm cussing. In case anyone here is not aware, Harry is the one who labeled supporters of the Bundy's in 2014...domestic terrorists.

I'm sure glad that Chris Monckton is fighting for our freedom. Apparently he had a lot to do with Director Comey getting ousted from the FBI, having spoken to Trump and getting him convinced to get Comey fired. Comey, I suppose, is in bed with the Clinton Foundation and this is why he didn't indict Hillary.
Now Chris M is going after the BLM and a few other agencies to stir a hornets nest. He and some others have lawyers lined up and are going to Trump to get the Bundy's pardoned. I hope this will transpire, but I won't hold my breath. How about ya'all?
How strange to see Lord Monckton jumping into this fray. But more power to him. Where are our Lord Monckton's??

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larsenb wrote: July 22nd, 2017, 9:52 pmHow strange to see Lord Monckton jumping into this fray. But more power to him. Where are our Lord Monckton's??
Sure makes one wonder, for sure and for certain. Perhaps too many politicians thinking more about their political career to get involved. Could be, too, that there are people getting involved that don't want notoriety.
As for the general public, who knows what goes through their minds? It may not be the desire to stand up for freedom and liberty, at least not enough to stand up for those indicted with false charges and held in prison without due process.

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The United States does have its Lord Moncktons. Sheriff Richard Mack and Rick Dalton and others with the Constitutional Sheriffs and Peace Officers Association. Investigative journalists Christopher Bollyn, Joel Skousen, Alex Jones, among others. Pastor Chuck Baldwi and Devvy Kidd are other fine examples. Lord Monckton does draw attention by being a prominent citizen of Great Britain, and I certainly do appreciate his efforts to set Americans straight.

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Bundy Trial Update - Important Ammon Bundy Interview - 06/24/17


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Klayman Reveals Prosecutorial Misconduct in Bundy Case and Cover-Up of Extortion 17 Afghan Tragedy!


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Nevada Court Outside & Dave Ward Call Update - Jamey Landin -


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Roger Stone Calls Out Donald Trump To Release Bundy Ranch Prisoners


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Roger Stone ~ Why President Donald Trump Should Pardon The Bundys 7/19/17


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Toto wrote: May 16th, 2017, 10:49 pm larsenb

See viewtopic.php?t=17430#p197506

Note the lack of response to my post.

Mr. Topham is no longer on the planet. In my opinion, his passing was the last thread of constitutional government.
Sounds like some people really, really wanted him out of the way. I doubt the guard and doctor were not receiving instructions, lol.

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