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http://www.wnd.com/2017/12/bundy-case-d ... pensation/


"It’s not like the FBI isn’t under fire already, with its unwillingness to refer charges against Hillary Clinton amid evidence she mishandled classified information and the investigation by mostly Clinton-supporting investigators into allegations the Trump campaign colluded with Russia in the 2016 election.
Now, there’s another issue: Two men acquitted of charges in the 2014 Bunkerville, Nevada, standoff involving rancher Cliven Bundy are suing the FBI and former Director James Comey for “malicious prosecution,” claiming the bureau presented false evidence in their case and destroyed exculpatory evidence.
Montana resident Ricky Lovelien and Idaho resident Steven Stewart were cleared of 10 charges they faced but spent a year-and-a-half in jail without bail, the Las Vegas Review-Journal reported.
They were accused of driving from other states to Bunkerville to support Bundy, who was under fire from the government for allegedly trying to halt federal agents from rounding up his cattle.
Now lawsuits have been filed on their behalf by lawyer Larry Klayman under the Federal Tort Claims Act.
“Steven Stewart’s claim lies against certain agents, employees, and/or directors of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, including James Comey and unnamed John and/or Jane Does who presented false evidence to the U.S. Department of Justice and engaged in the destruction of evidence which caused the malicious prosecution of Mr. Stewart and for which he was imprisoned without bail for a year and one half,” the complaint states.
“This severely harmed Mr. Stewart’s economic and other means of livelihood and caused extreme emotional distress. Mr. Stewart was deprived of his freedom in violation of the 5th Amendment, and his right to bear arms under the 2nd Amendment and his right to protest under the 1st Amendment to the Constitution,” it explains.
The standoff at Bunkerville had attracted individuals from all across the country, when, the complaint charges, “FBI and other federal agents violently assault[ed] Mr. Bundy’s family members before and during their efforts to seize the land that Mr. Bundy’s family had ranched on for decades.”
Stewart “was unarmed throughout the entirety of the standoff and obeyed all of the commands issued by the federal agents.”
Nevertheless, he was accused of conspiracy against the U.S., conspiracy to impede a federal officer, carrying a firearm, assault on a federal officer and threatening an officer.
Klayman states in the complaint: “It was clear from the very beginning that the FBI did not possess any real evidence to substantiate any of the charges brought against Mr. Stewart – since none existed – but still pursued his prosecution anyway and did, in fact, cause the DOJ to indict and prosecute Mr. Stewart.
“The FBI agents at the subject of this complaint improperly influenced the U.S. attorney for the district of Nevada to prosecute Mr. Stewart as a direct result of pressure from, and on direct orders from, former President Barack Obama’s Justice Department.”
It was the FBI, along with the Bureau of Land Management, DOJ and others “working in concert, who actually engaged in the obstruction of justice by destroying and spoiling evidence and hiding of exculpatory evidence to try to obtain a wrongful conviction against Mr. Stewart.”
Stewart ended up in jail for about 18 months, Klayman explained.
The claim is directed to the FBI, and another was sent to the BLM and Department of the Interior.
Stewart is asking for about $58,000 in damages.
Similar concerns are raised over the prosecution of Rick Lovelien, who is claiming damages of about $8,300 for, among other things, a frozen water line in his home that burst because he was in jail and there was no one to empty the lines or run a heater."

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https://www.westernjournalism.com/judge ... tyalliance

"A federal judge declared a mistrial on Wednesday in the case against Cliven Bundy and his co-defendants, stemming from their 2014 standoff in Nevada with the Bureau of Land Management over grazing rights.
U.S. District Judge Gloria Navarro ruled that federal prosecutors unlawfully withheld information they were required to turn over to the defense including surveillance video, maps and FBI interview information, the Las Vegas Journal Review reported.
The judge stated prosecutors knew or should have known of the existence of this evidence that may have been helpful to Cliven, Ammon and Ryan Bundy, and co-defendant Ryan Payne.
“Considered collectively, she said, the evidence that was withheld was favorable to the defendants and its untimely disclosure was prejudicial in that it ‘undermined the confidence of the outcome of the trial,'” Navarro found, according to the Journal Review.
The men are accused of conspiring to block federal agents from enforcing a court order to confiscate the Bundys’ cattle, which was grazing on public lands.
“Cliven Bundy had failed to pay grazing fees and fines for years,” according to The Associated Press. “The men are also charged with firearms crimes, threatening a federal law enforcement officer, obstruction of justice and extortion in a trial that began (on Nov. 14) in U.S. District Court in Las Vegas.”
Bundy contended the federal government lacks the constitutional authority to own vast tracks of western lands, stating it instead belongs to the states and the people. He and the others present were protesting what they contended was unlawful conduct by the federal government in seizing his cattle.
As previously reported by The Western Journal, a federal whistleblower sent a memo to the Department of Justice last month alleging malfeasance in the handling of the investigation in the Bundy Ranch standoff.
Special agent Larry Wooten, who worked on the investigation (until being removed in February), wrote in the 18-page memo, “I routinely observed, and the investigation revealed a widespread pattern of bad judgment, lack of discipline, incredible bias, unprofessionalism and misconduct, as well as likely policy, ethical, and legal violations among senior and supervisory staff.”
He added their actions, “adversely affected our agency’s mission and likely the trial regarding Cliven Bundy and his alleged co-conspirators and ignored the letter and the intent of the law.”
Wooten chronicled in his memo that those overseeing the investigation showed clear prejudice against the Bundys, their supporters and the Mormon faith, which the ranchers profess.
BLM agents prominently displayed booking photos with “X’s” drawn over the faces of the Bundys, according to Wooten.
The agent recounted that when he reported what he was seeing to the agent-in-charge of the investigation, Dan Love, he came to realize the supervisor was “aware of the issues, participated in, or instigated the misconduct himself.”
Wooten accused Love, who was in charge of the cattle roundup at the Bundy ranch, of intentionally ignoring direction from the U.S. Attorney’s Office and his superiors “in order to command the most intrusive, oppressive, large scale and militaristic trespass cattle impound possible.”
Washington state Rep. Matt Shea, spoke out forcefully to the media last week after seeing Wooten’s memo, stating in an interview with Redoubt News, “a sniper rifle is not due process.”
“The government in the trial was saying, or at least implying that there were no snipers on site, and then this document details that there were in fact snipers on site,” Shea told The Western Journal. “These were being pointed at Americans who were protesting lawfully.”
The representative has been a longtime advocate for significant portions of federal lands held in the west being turned over to the states.
Shea said the clear bias shown by the investigators is exculpatory and can be used to impeach the government witnesses at the Bundy trial.
He noted that Navarro cited the Wooten memo in her Wednesday ruling.
According to ABC affiliate KTNV, a new trial in the Bundy case will likely begin in February.
Based on what he has seen, Shea does not believe a mistrial is an adequate remedy.
“The withheld evidence doesn’t just give reason for a mistrial,” he said. “It looks like there needs to be a dismissal.”
Shea added: “I don’t think this stops with a mistrial and a dismissal, I think this continues with an investigation,” into the BLM.
Fox News reported that “jurors acquitted (Ammon and Ryan Bundy) of taking over a federal wildlife refuge in Oregon for more than a month in early 2016 and amid calls for the U.S. government to turn over public land to local control.”

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"Shea does not believe a mistrial is an adequate remedy." Of course not! In declaring a mistrial, Judge Navarro simply gives the prosecution yet another chance to get past the obstruction charges and try again with a new trial. That's what he Feds want; continued efforts to put the Bundy's and their closest supporters behind bars for decades. I think that without intervention by President Trump or AD Sessions, the biased Navarro court will again be in session in February of next year.

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Will Cliven remain in prison until the next tax fed insult to justice?

Will Ammon & Ryan have to wear the monitoring rfid until the next go round?

This is exactly what happened to the Hammond men in Malheur County, Oregon, and exactly why the Bundy sons went there to support them.

It was also done to the Hage Family in Nevada. They won repeated court judgments over decades of struggle with the feds. Subsequent generations of the Hage Family thought they could finally enjoy what their parents had left to them.

No such luck!

https://pacificlegal.org/breaking-gover ... ty-rights/

We will be sued, burned and bankrupted into oblivion. I'm hearing rumors that 'meat producers' will be 'taxed' due to the damage caused by belching and gas passing animals upon the climate. I'm not sure how those millions upon millions of bison and other ruminants managed not to belch us into oblivion prior to the 'Doctrine of Discovery'.

Of course, those concerned about the impact of geoengineering on the planet were barred from the Paris Climate Talks. They weren't even allowed to submit their research and concerns.

The technocrats running the global iron fist intend to break any independence based on land ownership.
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Did I understand correctly that some spokesperson for the LDS Church made some disparaging comments about the Bundys?

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I'm not so close to ZION (SLC) I would have heard it.

If so, I wouldn't call that 'politically neutral'.

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There was this statement prior to Lavoy Finnicum's death:

https://www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/ ... occupation

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I agree that the armed occupation could be justified on a scriptural basis, I consider it as ill advised. But the statement that "We are privileged to live in a nation where conflicts with government or private groups can — and should — be settled using peaceful means, according to the laws of the land." is not true in this day and age, if it ever was. However, I think I understand why the Church would issue such a statement to avoid tweaking the nose of the beast.

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Although this web journal has a bit of bias concerning the Bundy Family's right to access water on 'public land', this article really gets into the rogue methods used by 'federal agencies' operating against landowners accused of being on the 'wrong side of the law'.

These are the same tactics used against Standing Rock residents opposed to a massive crude oil pipeline routed under the Missouri River 1/2 mile upstream from their only community water source.

https://theintercept.com/2017/12/22/cli ... ndoff-fbi/

Last week, The Oregonian reported on the existence of a memo written by a senior BLM official tasked with leading an assessment of the government’s handling of the Bundy standoff, which pointed to a yearslong pattern of incompetence and potentially illegal behavior on behalf of federal agents tasked with protecting public lands.

The sealed document, later posted online, was authored by Larry “Clint” Wooten and painted a picture of a lawless federal agency. During his two years and 10 months examining the Bundy case, which he described as “the largest and most expansive and important investigation ever within the Department of Interior,” Wooten said he observed “a widespread pattern of bad judgment, lack of discipline, incredible bias, unprofessionalism and misconduct, as well as likely policy, ethical, and legal violations among senior and supervisory staff at the BLM’s Office of Law Enforcement and Security.” Wooten added that the actions of BLM officials in the Bundy case “made a mockery of our position of special trust and confidence, portrayed extreme professional bias, adversely affected our agency’s mission and likely the trial regarding Cliven Bundy and his alleged co-conspirators and ignored the letter and intent of the law.”

In addition to a fostering a “carnival atmosphere,” in which the Bundy defendants, their supporters, and Mormons in general were routinely ridiculed (the Bundys are Mormon), Wooten accused Dan Love, the lead BLM agent, of doing everything in his power to push the Bundy investigation in his preferred direction. “It is my assessment and the investigation showed that the 2014 Gold Butte Trespass Cattle Impound was in part a punitive and ego driven expedition by a Senior BLM Law Enforcement Supervisor,” he said, adding that Love sought to “command the most intrusive, oppressive, large scale and militaristic trespass cattle impound possible.” Wooten specifically accused senior BLM officials in Nevada of failing to keep the U.S. attorney’s office up to date “on substantive and exculpatory case findings and unacceptable bias indications.” When he “personally informed” acting U.S. Attorney Steven Myhre and the FBI of the issues, Wooten said, his supervisor “deceptively acted ignorant and surprised.”


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They didn't mean to 'hide' evidence from the Defense!!!

Let's try the Bundy's once again. Let's do this until we get it right. Is Cliven still in prison?

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-stando ... ew_tr.html

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buffalo_girl wrote: January 3rd, 2018, 11:57 am Here's the memo from a BLM Special Agent overseeing the Bundy Ranch investigation who 'blew the whistle' on the preplanned military action against the Bundy Family. This document is most likely responsible for the judge calling a mistrial and again leaving the whole thing open to another trial on the same charges.

The memo should have had charges against the Bundy's dismissed, and all these BLM agents serving as witnesses against the Bundy's, arrested and tried along with the US Attorney serving as prosecutor.

https://redoubtnews.com/2017/12/shea-ex ... trocities/

https://redoubtnews.com/wp-content/uplo ... to,-74,329

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Thank you, Buffalo Girl, for keeping up on this and keeping us informed.

Somewhere I got it in my head that Cliven Bundy was offered a release but insisted on remaining in jail for reasons I do not remember.

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Cliven Bundy was offered a RFID monitored release which he refused. He chose to remain incarcerated until charges were dropped or a jury trial ended in acquittal. He wants to walk out of prison a free man with NO strings attached.

I strongly suspect that outside prison, something would have happened to him - either 'an accident' or a 'set up' which would have totally discredited him. Of course, something may also happen to him in the 'for profit prison'. His health is failing due to teeth problems being unattended, but whatever happens to him inside can only be attributed to those holding physical 'power over him'.

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FREE AT LAST!!!

"DISMISSED WITH PREJUDICE"


https://youtu.be/AAsaupWUe74


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This is NOT a "Mistrial".!

Fox News needs to find lawyers who have actually followed this case, and who know the difference between a "Mistrial" and a "Dismissal with Prejudice". They also need to read or listen to the Wooten memo.

https://redoubtnews.com/wp-content/uplo ... n_77PI.pdf

https://www.facebook.com/RedoubtNews/vi ... 243190621/

Judge Navarro declared the indictments "Dismissed with Prejudice"!

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Bravo, bravo!!

Now we need to see the murderers of LaVoy Finicum brought to justice.

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Good interview with Cliven and Ryan Bundy. Jason Goodman has been respectful and thorough in his coverage.

https://youtu.be/1Pl87nvz8e8

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http://www.wnd.com/2018/07/oregon-ranch ... -clemency/

"President Trump has granted full pardons to two Oregon ranchers who were jailed after a controlled burn migrated onto public land.
A White House statement Tuesday explained Dwight Lincoln Hammond Jr. and his son, Steven Hammond, are multi-generation cattle ranchers who were imprisoned in connection with a fire that leaked onto a small portion of neighboring public grazing land.
“The evidence at trial regarding the Hammonds’ responsibility for the fire was conflicting, and the jury acquitted them on most of the charges,” the statement said.
They were sentenced to prison and released after serving their time. But the Obama administration demanded they go back into court “where they were sentenced to further time in prison under an anti-terrorism law, even though there was no evidence presented that the ranchers had planned or engaged in terrorism in any way.”
Their plight prompted Ammon and Ryan Bundy’s Citizens for Constitutional Freedom to stage a protest, occupying the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in southeastern Oregon from Jan. 2 to Feb. 11, 2016.
One protester was killed when officers ambushed the protesters while they were traveling to a meeting.
The White House statement said that at “the Hammonds’ original sentencing, the judge noted that they are respected in the community and that imposing the mandatory minimum, 5-year prison sentence would ‘shock the conscience’ and be ‘grossly disproportionate to the severity’ of their conduct.”
“As a result, the judge imposed significantly lesser sentences. The previous administration, however, filed an overzealous appeal that resulted in the Hammonds being sentenced to five years in prison. This was unjust.”
The White House noted Dwight Hammond is now 76 years old and has served approximately three years in prison. Steven Hammond is 49 and has served approximately four years in prison.
“They have also paid $400,000 to the United States to settle a related civil suit. The Hammonds are devoted family men, respected contributors to their local community, and have widespread support from their neighbors, local law enforcement, and farmers and ranchers across the West. Justice is overdue for Dwight and Steven Hammond, both of whom are entirely deserving of these Grants of Executive Clemency.”
WND columnist Ilana Mercer commented in 2016 on “the sorry state of affairs,” writing that “to look at rancher Dwight Hammond, 73, and his son, Steven, 46, is to see the salt of the earth, the best of America.”
“Any decent American ought to be able to see that these family ranchers, so different from politically connected agribusiness, are better and braver than all of us city slickers put together.”
She criticized the “double-jeopardy-like maneuver by the federal government.”
“If the Hammonds are jailed for unintentionally losing control of a backfire, so should BLM agents, whose gross mismanagement causes death and destruction every summer,” she said.
Most of the protesters at the Malheur site were acquitted of charges the government brought against them. And WND reported that the local sheriff backed claims of FBI misbehavior in the case.
The declaration came from Deschutes County Sheriff Shane Nelson just as FBI agent W. Joseph Astarita was pleading not guilty to three counts of making false statements and two counts of obstruction of justice in federal court in Portland, Oregon.
The FBI agent was accused of firing at the protesters then picking up shell casings to conceal that fact and lying to investigators.
The U.S. Attorney’s Office in Oregon said Astarita falsely stated he had not fired his weapon during the attempted arrest of protester LaVoy Finicum, who was shot dead by another officer during the incident, “when he knew he had in fact fired his weapon.”
“Astarita also knowingly engaged in misleading conduct toward Oregon State Police officers by failing to disclose that he had fired two rounds during the attempted arrest,” the statement said.
Nelson said, as the Washington Times reported, that the actions by “multiple members of the FBI Hostage Rescue Team” had “damaged the integrity of the entire law enforcement profession, which makes me both disappointed and angry.”
Nelson said he told Justice Department and FBI officials, including then-acting Director Andrew McCabe, about “possible criminal conduct” by some involved FBI Hostage Rescue Team agents."

http://www.wnd.com/2018/07/oregon-ranch ... Yz9di5B.99

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See: viewtopic.php?f=8&t=48895#p869139 , posting schedule for a talk to be given by Ammon Bundy, on Thursday, 19 July at Bountiful City Hall between 7:00 and 8:30 pm.

FYI It's a fairly large hall. It would be nice to see it filled.

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Ryan Bundy is running for Nevada Governor. Vote for him in November to establish peace, freedom, and state sovereignty in this land again. Get your rights declared and protected again.

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"The Ballad of Lavoy Finicum (A Cowboy's Stand for Freedom)"

Tom Woods interviews Jordan Page, creator of this song, and it's genesis.

Listen here (the song is played at the 17:10 mark). Interesting how he got his inspiration. Listen to whole interview:


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5K87q_1iPFE


The Ballad of Lavoy Finicum (Cowboy’s Stand for Freedom) by Jordan

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