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A separate IPC paper from 2007 explains that this is not a function of well-behaved high-skilled immigrants from India and China offsetting misdeeds of Latin American newcomers. The data show that “for every ethnic group without exception, incarceration rates among young men are lowest for immigrants,” according to the report. “This holds true especially for the Mexicans, Salvadorans, and Guatemalans who make up the bulk of the undocumented population.”

It also holds true in states with large populations of illegal residents. A 2008 report by the Public Policy Institute of California found that immigrants are underrepresented in the prison system. “The incarceration rate for foreign-born adults is 297 per 100,000 in the population, compared [with] 813 per 100,000 for U.S.-born adults,” the study concludes. “The foreign-born, who make up roughly 35% of California’s adult population, constitute 17% of the state prison population.”

High-profile incidents, like the recent arrest of a Mexican national in the horrific shooting death of a young woman in San Francisco, can give the impression that immigrants are more likely to commit violent crimes. But the alleged killer is no more representative of Mexican immigrants than Dylann Roof is representative of white people.

Every immigrant here illegally has already broken a law, though that doesn’t mean they are predisposed to crime. In a 2005 paper, the Federal Reserve Bank of Chicago reported that more recently arrived immigrants are even less crime-prone than their predecessors. In 1980 the incarceration rate of foreign nationals was about one percentage point below natives. A decade later that had fallen to a little more than a percentage point, and by 2000 it was almost three percentage points lower.

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The Atlantic
David Frum
July 2015

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It’s often remarked that Donald Trump appeals to angry voters. That’s surely true. Yet there is a delicate discomfort about mentioning exactly the issue those voters—at least, those Republican voters—say they are most angry about: the breakdown of immigration enforcement. Trump holds a 2-1 lead over Jeb Bush among Republicans who want an immigration policy that focuses on enforcement and deportation.

Many leading politicians have expressed concern over Kathryn Steinle’s sad death. They typically represent the crime as something aberrational. Hillary Clinton, for example, said that San Francisco authorities “made a mistake” when they released Lopez-Sanchez into the community. Jeb Bush said, “The system broke down for [Steinle] and her family, and you can see why people are upset about that.”

Trump, however, had already staked out a position that defined the Steinle killing as anything but aberrational. The system didn’t break down for Steinle. It functioned as it all too often does. As Senator Ted Cruz pointed out during a July 21 Judiciary Committee hearing on crimes by illegal immigrants, in 2014 alone, immigration authorities released into American communities 193 illegal immigrants with homicide convictions, 426 people with sexual-assault convictions and 16,000 with drunk-driving convictions. Altogether, 104,000 people who by law should have been deported were instead allowed to remain on American soil. The director of the agency in charge of the removals offered as a partial excuse that immigration courts faced a backlog of 500,000 cases.


Whatever the cause, there’s no doubt that removals of immigrants convicted of criminal acts have tumbled in Obama’s second term, after a sharp rise in his first term. Federal immigration authorities removed more than 216,000 such immigrants from the United States in fiscal year 2011, more than double the removals of fiscal 2007. But in fiscal 2014, only 178,000 were removed—a 17 percent drop from the 2011 peak."

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I see this immigration fiasco as part of what Dr. W. Cleon Skousen called "a very carefully and methodically executed program designed to destroy constitutional government as we have known it and make a shambles of the society which has wanted to keep the Constitution alive. Only then can a highly centralized, socialist state be established."

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"The fact the Obama administration is leaving known ISIS training camps alone suggests the White House is protecting the terrorist group, according to presidential candidate Donald Trump.
“Well, you [as president] would knock the hell out of the training camps, that one’s a given, and it’s incredible we don’t do it [since] we know where they are,” he said on the Michael Savage Show. “It’s almost like, ‘are we protecting these people?'”
Trump is closer to the truth than he realizes; a secret U.S. government document obtained by Judicial Watch reveals the U.S. and other NATO nations deliberately backed al-Qaeda in Iraq, which morphed into ISIS, and other Islamic extremist groups to overthrow Syrian president Bashir al-Assad.
“The Salafist [sic], the Muslim Brotherhood and AQI [al-Qaeda in Iraq] are the major forces driving the insurgency in Syria,” the Pentagon document stated. “The West, Gulf countries, and Turkey support [this] opposition, while Russia, China and Iran ‘support the [Assad] regime.’”ISIS grew directly out of al-Qaeda in Iraq when the latter gained territory in Syria in 2013.
“On April 8, 2013, the Islamic State of Iraq (ISI) – Al-Qaeda in Iraq – released a recorded audio message by its leader, Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi, in which he announced that the Syria jihadi group Jabhat Al-Nusra (JN) has been merely an extension of ISI [Islamic State of Iraq] in Syria,” the Middle East Media Research Institute reported. “…Al-Baghdadi announces that the names ISI and JN are not to be used anymore; instead, he declares the official merging of the two groups under the name ‘Islamic State of Iraq and Al-Sham’ [also known as ISIS].”
And Turkey’s prime minister, a U.S. and NATO ally, was caught shipping arms to al-Qaeda and ISIS via Syria-bound trucks operated by the country’s intelligence agency, according to Turkish military officials in early 2015.
Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu banned media from reporting on three of the trucks searched by the military’s Gendarmerie General Command, which discovered 45 to 55 missiles or rockets, 30 to 40 crates of ammunition, including mortar rounds, and Douchka anti-aircraft ammunition.
“The trucks were carrying weapons and supplies to the al-Qaeda terror organization,” a report by the Gendarmerie General Command stated.
Davutoglu also removed public prosecutor Aziz Takei from office for ordering the search and 13 soldiers involved were charged with espionage punishable with 20-year prison terms.
“Though the scandal is tearing the country apart, the government opted for its favorite tactic of covering it up,” Turkish journalist Fehim Taştekin reported. “A court in Adana banned written, visual and Internet media outlets from any reporting and commenting on the stopping of the trucks and the search.”

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"Donald Trump’s online critics have proposed an alternative to his anti-terrorism policies: Assassinate him instead. Secret Service agents assigned to protect Trump since Nov. 11 may be working overtime in the wake of his comments on halting Muslim immigration into the U.S. A slew of death threats against the billionaire were tweeted after a campaign stop in South Carolina on Monday.

“Without looking at the various polling data, it is obvious to anybody the hatred is beyond comprehension. Where this hatred comes from and why we will have to determine,” Trump said in a statement released Tuesday. “Until we are able to determine and understand this problem and the dangerous threat it poses, our country cannot be the victims of horrendous attacks by people that believe only in jihad, and have no sense of reason or respect for human life.”

Trump’s extreme critics saw no irony between his statements on Islamic radicals and their calls for his assassination.”

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"Conservative firebrand and bestselling author Ann Coulter joined Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump at a rally in Iowa Tuesday – and she delivered an epic smackdown of “speech Nazis” who ridiculed the GOP frontrunner for using the term “anchor baby.”
“Apparently liberals think ‘anchor baby’ isn’t pleasant sounding,” she said in a speech introducing Trump at the event. “They prefer words like ‘aborted baby.’”
She continued, “But I have an idea. How about anvil babies – because that’s what anchor babies are around the necks of the American taxpayer.”
Coulter also blasted the Republican establishment’s tendency to “pre-emptively surrender” every time “liberals start yelling, ‘Ooh, that’s mean! You can’t use that word!’”
“Well they found something new with Donald Trump,” she declared of the candidate who refused to stop using the term “anchor baby.”
“And now Americans are finding out about not only the policy of anchor babies but the policies of these speech Nazis. And they’re going to learn, when it comes to Donald Trump, maybe it’d be better to just keep their mouths shut next time.”
Since Trump announced his candidacy for president, Coulter said, "I've felt like I'm dreaming. I can't believe I turn on TV, on prime-time TV every night, they're talking about anchor babies. They're talking about sanctuary cities. They're talking about Mexican rapists. …"

A man interrupted with a shout from the crowd: "Build the wall!"
Coulter replied, "I love the idea of the Great Wall of Trump."

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"Serving police officers today backed Donald Trump's claim that some Muslim communities in the UK are no-go areas because of extremism.
Several Met officers have said the 'Islamification' of some parts of the capital requires 'extra vigilance' and they can't wear uniforms for safety reasons - despite Scotland Yard claiming the tycoon 'couldn't be more wrong'.
Home Secretary Theresa May tonight rejected Mr Trump's claims, insisting: 'The police in London are not afraid to go out and police the streets.'
The US presidential contender caused worldwide consternation yesterday after a string of incendiary remarks about Muslims, including in Britain, and said: 'We have places in London and other places that are so radicalised that police are afraid for their own lives.'
But one serving officer said today Trump had 'pointed out something plainly obvious, something which I think we aren't as a nation willing to own up to'."
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I understand that Boris Johnson, Mayor of London, has said that there are some parts of New York he wouldn't go to, for fear of meeting Donald Trump. =))

He also said "When Donald Trump says there are parts of London that are 'no go' areas, I think he's betraying a stupefying ignorance that makes him frankly unfit to hold the office of President of the United States".

Well said Boris.

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Funny how people that have never experienced the freedom bestowed upon the United States by God in order to restore His Church, have so much bad to say about it. It was after all, the UK that the U.S. had to break free from in order to be the first and ONLY free country that the planet earth had EVER known, since the implementation of governments.

Clearly, the liberals are Satan's tool to rule the earth. This is why the democrats in the U.S. are so concerned about global warming; they know it's going to be hot as Hell. Donald Trump is teaching the Republican Party how to be conservative. Personally, I will vote for Cruz, but without Trump, there may be no distinguishing the repubs from the democrats.

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I don't think it is so clear to many people that the liberals or even socialism and communism are Satan's tool to rule the earth. I have read the recorded warnings by past prophets and apostles about socialism and communism, and it seems that enough Latter-day Saints had espoused these isms that LDS prophets saw fit to issue serious warnings about them. Many people, including LDS people see their systems as fomenting charity in ways superior to and more effective than private charity. Right here in our own community we have people who believe that righteousness includes forcing other people to contribute to the welfare of those unable to meet their own needs.

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True.

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Desert Roses wrote:
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most immigrants (legal or illegal) do not get any government benefits and pay taxes just like legal folks. They have jobs and live decent lives. Many of them are my neighbors.

I don't really know that to be true. I think there is an extremely high number who do come here for the free government give away that is paid for by the American taxpayer, or will be paid by his children, grandchildren, great ... etc., or maybe never paid.
I have heard it is one half of them.
And I also have neighbors and I'm also personally aware of many that do come just for the handout.
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Robin Hood wrote:I understand that Boris Johnson, Mayor of London, has said that there are some parts of New York he wouldn't go to, for fear of meeting Donald Trump. =))

He also said "When Donald Trump says there are parts of London that are 'no go' areas, I think he's betraying a stupefying ignorance that makes him frankly unfit to hold the office of President of the United States".

Well said Boris.
Well said Robin Hood.

Trump is a racist that must be stopped.

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samizdat, you are fond of thowing around the word "racist" as if it is a derogatory term, what is the meaning of this word to you?
There are differences between races, and all are entitled to prefer their own race.

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samizdat wrote:
Robin Hood wrote:I understand that Boris Johnson, Mayor of London, has said that there are some parts of New York he wouldn't go to, for fear of meeting Donald Trump. =))

He also said "When Donald Trump says there are parts of London that are 'no go' areas, I think he's betraying a stupefying ignorance that makes him frankly unfit to hold the office of President of the United States".

Well said Boris.
Well said Robin Hood.

Trump is a racist that must be stopped.

It appears that your mayor is an ignoramus, as the police who are supposed to go there are the ones saying they can't go there... at least not as police. They also say that they have to ask permission from the Muslim leaders of the communities before they can actually patrol those areas.

Not to mention that you just had a rape and sex slave ring involving more than 1400 underage British girls run by .... Muslims. And the authorities in Rotheram admitted they knew about it but didn't do anything because they didn't want to appear racist. Young girls passed around to hundreds of men over multiple years just because the authorities couldn't or wouldn't deal with reality. How many more people need to be sacrficed at the altars of the pathetic religion of political correctness?

In both cases, Trump has spoken the truth. In both cases, he is being villified.. not becausue he is wrong, but because you don't want the message to be true. You'd rather cling to your PC fantasyland than actually deal with reality.

Not all cultures are equal. Not all immigrants are nice. Not all religions are peaceful.

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Elizabeth wrote:samizdat, you are fond of thowing around the word "racist" as if it is a derogatory term, what is the meaning of this word to you?
There are differences between races, and all are entitled to prefer their own race.

A racist is one that treats people with different cultures as inferior to the culture of the racist. It can also include the color of skin or religious practices.

Trump's commentaries about Mexicans and now Muslims are definitely racist in nature, bred of an absolute ignorance of both cultures and like Hitler before him, show the use of the Big Lie to deceive the masses.

The prophets have said yes to the refugees. They just said no to Trump's divisive rhetoric that is nothing more nor less than attacks on religious freedom.

Another thing that I have yet to see on this board is anyone that might think that Trump might be behind these attacks. The media go out against Trump and yet publicise him which happens to be Trump's strong suit.

Trump calls the Mexicans what he calles them. Condemnation. One week later the SFO incident of horrible murder committed by an illegal. Highly publicised.

Two shooting attacks by Muslims. Trump says ban them all.

He's got money and goods to get it done. He is rising Exactly like Hitler and is serious bombing away from winning the presidency.

#feardom #dumptrump

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samizdat wrote:
Elizabeth wrote:samizdat, you are fond of thowing around the word "racist" as if it is a derogatory term, what is the meaning of this word to you?
There are differences between races, and all are entitled to prefer their own race.

A racist is one that treats people with different cultures as inferior to the culture of the racist. It can also include the color of skin or religious practices.

Trump's commentaries about Mexicans and now Muslims are definitely racist in nature, bred of an absolute ignorance of both cultures and like Hitler before him, show the use of the Big Lie to deceive the masses.

The prophets have said yes to the refugees. They just said no to Trump's divisive rhetoric that is nothing more nor less than attacks on religious freedom.

Another thing that I have yet to see on this board is anyone that might think that Trump might be behind these attacks. The media go out against Trump and yet publicise him which happens to be Trump's strong suit.

Trump calls the Mexicans what he calles them. Condemnation. One week later the SFO incident of horrible murder committed by an illegal. Highly publicised.

Two shooting attacks by Muslims. Trump says ban them all.

He's got money and goods to get it done. He is rising Exactly like Hitler and is serious bombing away from winning the presidency.

#feardom #dumptrump
Your definition of racism means that everyone in the world is a racist. Well done. I have yet to meet anyone who doesn't find one culture superior to others. It is not always their native culture.

Your idea that Trump is behind these incidents is pure lunacy. Equating him to Hitler shows your own ignorance.

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Serragon wrote:
samizdat wrote:
Robin Hood wrote:I understand that Boris Johnson, Mayor of London, has said that there are some parts of New York he wouldn't go to, for fear of meeting Donald Trump. =))

He also said "When Donald Trump says there are parts of London that are 'no go' areas, I think he's betraying a stupefying ignorance that makes him frankly unfit to hold the office of President of the United States".

Well said Boris.
Well said Robin Hood.

Trump is a racist that must be stopped.

It appears that your mayor is an ignoramus, as the police who are supposed to go there are the ones saying they can't go there... at least not as police. They also say that they have to ask permission from the Muslim leaders of the communities before they can actually patrol those areas.

Not to mention that you just had a rape and sex slave ring involving more than 1400 underage British girls run by .... Muslims. And the authorities in Rotheram admitted they knew about it but didn't do anything because they didn't want to appear racist. Young girls passed around to hundreds of men over multiple years just because the authorities couldn't or wouldn't deal with reality. How many more people need to be sacrficed at the altars of the pathetic religion of political correctness?
I could just as easily show you Christians running brothels thru Eastern Europe and Latin America clear thru the USA. Or other groups doing this in east Asia. Not to lessen what this group of Muslims did, but to show you that there are bad people everywhere.


In both cases, Trump has spoken the truth. In both cases, he is being villified.. not becausue he is wrong, but because you don't want the message to be true. You'd rather cling to your PC fantasyland than actually deal with reality.

Not all cultures are equal. Not all immigrants are nice. Not all religions are peaceful.
Trump is speaking truth laced in a huge lie. Just like Göbbels and Hitler.

The problem with linear based cultures is their pride in that the more extreme elements of it lead to racism and wholesale slaughter or segregation of those cultures considered inferior.

Islam was FAR more peaceful than Christianity even 500 years ago. They were the center of learning. The first four universities in the world were formed in the Islamic world. Al Azhar still stands today.

What made Islam violent? The western nations divided up their lands after swearing to them that they would keep them. The worst thing you can do to an Arab is to betray their trust. When have you heard of a Muslim attacking a Latin American target?

When you can find me the answer to the last question we will discuss it some more.

And yes, I have a feeling that Trump is secretly moving things behind the scenes and we are thisclose to an American Reichstag moment

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samizdat wrote:
What made Islam violent?

Are you serious with that? The victim is responsible for the crime? The victim caused the crime of robbery because he had too much money? The rape victim caused the rape because she was sexually attractive? You are living in fantasy.

Islam is the only thing that CAN make Islam violent. You are nuts if you say "it's society's fault".

It is solely and 100% the criminals fault. He is 100% responsible for his actions, and there is NO exception in that rule for Islam pursuant to any politically correct fantasy.
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samizdat wrote:
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Not to mention that you just had a rape and sex slave ring involving more than 1400 underage British girls run by .... Muslims. And the authorities in Rotheram admitted they knew about it but didn't do anything because they didn't want to appear racist. Young girls passed around to hundreds of men over multiple years just because the authorities couldn't or wouldn't deal with reality. How many more people need to be sacrficed at the altars of the pathetic religion of political correctness?
I could just as easily show you Christians running brothels thru Eastern Europe and Latin America clear thru the USA. Or other groups doing this in east Asia. Not to lessen what this group of Muslims did, but to show you that there are bad people everywhere.
You can't show me a group of individuals who are running a sex trafficking ring where the factor of association is being Christian.

And running a brothel is not even in the same league as running a trafficking ring.

Trying to equate "everybody does bad things" to organized crime is idiotic. People form associations based upon race, culture, and religion. Some of these associations are for criminal purposes. The italian mafia was associated around being Italian. These traffickers were associating by being Muslim. This isn't rocket science.

The way you draw moral equavilence for the Muslims, then equate Trump with Hitler is breathtaking.

He's right. You're wrong.

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samizdat wrote:Islam was FAR more peaceful than Christianity even 500 years ago. They were the center of learning. The first four universities in the world were formed in the Islamic world. Al Azhar still stands today.

What made Islam violent?
So you admit that Islam has been violent for the last 500 years. You do realize that you have just proven Trump correct, right?

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If you support the Donald, you might want to goggle some of his past statements. I remember he hated Bush, called him a disaster. Called the Iraq war a disaster. Said if he was going to run, he would run for the GOP because Republicans are stupid. Called Obama a Champion who saved us from a depression. Said he would have Oprah as his VP. He has donated Millions to the Clinton foundation.

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OCDMOM wrote:If you support the Donald, you might want to goggle some of his past statements. I remember he hated Bush, called him a disaster. Called the Iraq war a disaster. Said if he was going to run, he would run for the GOP because Republicans are stupid. Called Obama a Champion who saved us from a depression. Said he would have Oprah as his VP. He has donated Millions to the Clinton foundation.
I don't support him at all. I actually can't stand him for many of the reasons you state. He is a democrat in republican clothing.

But his true statements need to be defended from the disciples of Political Correctness.

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OCDMOM wrote:If you support the Donald, you might want to goggle some of his past statements. I remember he hated Bush, called him a disaster. Called the Iraq war a disaster. Said if he was going to run, he would run for the GOP because Republicans are stupid. Called Obama a Champion who saved us from a depression. Said he would have Oprah as his VP. He has donated Millions to the Clinton foundation.
Don't care, anything is better than what we've got! The voters have " S" stamped on their forehead, they voted in the worst president in history, twice. Unbelievable how gullible the American people are. I like what Trump promotes, the GOP is belittling him every chance they get, why, because he threatens their party. Neither the democrats nor republican's have the best interest of this country in mind. A Trump presidency wouldn't be so bad, not so bad at all.

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