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TRUMP.

Postby Elizabeth » Wed Jul 29, 2015 8:59 am

"The Koch brothers are refusing to join the Trump bandwagon, blocking his access to influential tools in their political armory, Politico reported.
According to the report, the Kochs have denied the real estate mogul access to their state-of-the-art data and analytics services. He has also been excluded from their annual grassroots summit next month in Columbus, Ohio, run by Americans for Prosperity (AFP), as well as the annual summer soiree of mega-donors and operatives in Orange Country, California, which will be attended by a number of Trump's rivals.
"Continued stiff-arming by the powerful Koch network could limit Trump's ability to build a professional campaign operation to mobilize supporters ahead of primaries and caucuses," Politico said.
In recent weeks, AFP and Concerned Veterans for America, the Koch-backed groups, have hosted events with former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush, Florida Sen. Marco Rubio, and Kentucky Sen. Rand Paul. The Columbus event will feature those candidates as well as Texas Sen. Ted Cruz, Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal, and former Texas Gov. Rick Perry.
Opinions about Trump are mixed among the Koch network of donors, Politico said. Some were offended by Trump's implication that Arizona Sen. John McCain is not a war hero.
It's unclear whether the Koch brothers will take a more formal stance against Trump, Politico said.
"The good news is that Donald Trump doesn't need the Koch brothers, and he can do this perfectly without their assistance," Josh Youssef, chairman of Trump's campaign in Belknap County, New Hampshire, told Politico. "Their motivations are clearly not to break the mold of political insider-ship. Their goal is to keep the wheel spinning. Trump's bad for business for them."
Trump has hired a number of AFP staff to his campaign, including campaign manager Corey Lewandowski who until January ran AFP's national voter-registration effort.
The distance between Trump and the Koch groups suggests an ideological divide, with Trump eschewing traditional ideological lines and the influential interests behind them.
"I think that's what is sort of scaring a lot of people, especially on both Republican and Democratic sides, because they can't control Trump," Stephen Stepanek, a New Hampshire state legislator who is co-chairing Trump's state campaign, told Politico.
"People are really afraid to speak their mind, and it is actually with the way people react to things and the way that these various groups attack people if they say anything," he said. "We're having our First Amendment, freedom of speech, stepped on, walked all over by these various groups."

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Postby rewcox » Wed Jul 29, 2015 9:13 am

Elizabeth wrote:"The Koch brothers are refusing to join the Trump bandwagon, blocking his access to influential tools in their political armory, Politico reported.
According to the report, the Kochs have denied the real estate mogul access to their state-of-the-art data and analytics services. He has also been excluded from their annual grassroots summit next month in Columbus, Ohio, run by Americans for Prosperity (AFP), as well as the annual summer soiree of mega-donors and operatives in Orange Country, California, which will be attended by a number of Trump's rivals.
So currently reading on Zion, the rich and affluent people on all sides, just more Babylonian Economy phooey balooey.

Trump currently has support because people have lost confidence in political players.

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Postby Elizabeth » Wed Jul 29, 2015 9:50 am

"GOP presidential front-runner Donald Trump says he would consider former Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin for his administration if he wins the White House.
Appearing Monday on “The Palin Update with Kevin Scholla” on Mama Grizzly Radio, Trump was asked whether he might seek Palin’s advice as president, or even have her in his administration in an official capacity.
“I’d love that,” Trump said. “Because she really is somebody who knows what’s happening and she’s a special person. She’s really a special person and I think people know that.”
He often has people on the campaign trail urging him to get the former vice presidential candidate’s support, Trump said.
“Everybody loves her,” Trump said, before correcting himself. “No, like me, she’s got some people that don’t exactly love us, and we understand who they are.”
But her supporters “like the Sarah Palin kind of strength,” he said. “You just don’t see very much of it anymore.”
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Postby Bee Prepared » Wed Jul 29, 2015 12:09 pm

rewcox wrote:
Elizabeth wrote:"The Koch brothers are refusing to join the Trump bandwagon, blocking his access to influential tools in their political armory, Politico reported.
According to the report, the Kochs have denied the real estate mogul access to their state-of-the-art data and analytics services. He has also been excluded from their annual grassroots summit next month in Columbus, Ohio, run by Americans for Prosperity (AFP), as well as the annual summer soiree of mega-donors and operatives in Orange Country, California, which will be attended by a number of Trump's rivals.
So currently reading on Zion, the rich and affluent people on all sides, just more Babylonian Economy phooey balooey.

Trump currently has support because people have lost confidence in political players.
lol@phooey balooey!

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Postby samizdat » Wed Jul 29, 2015 1:35 pm

Trump is a racist demagogue.

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Postby Elizabeth » Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:09 pm

Why?
Doctrines of the Gospel are revealed through the Spirit to Prophets... not through the intellect to scholars.

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Postby samizdat » Wed Jul 29, 2015 2:54 pm

Elizabeth wrote:Why?
His quotes about Mexicans went too far. It is apparent he hates Mexicans and thinks all of them are rapists, murderers, gang-bangers, and drug-dealers, when that is definitely NOT the case.

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Postby Serragon » Wed Jul 29, 2015 3:01 pm

samizdat wrote:
Elizabeth wrote:Why?
His quotes about Mexicans went too far. It is apparent he hates Mexicans and thinks all of them are rapists, murderers, gang-bangers, and drug-dealers, when that is definitely NOT the case.

Post those comments. I have never seen them. Even looking on anti-trump sites I can't find any quotes that would indicate what you wrote.

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Postby Elizabeth » Wed Jul 29, 2015 5:14 pm

Rubbish. He is referring to those who are.
samizdat wrote:
Elizabeth wrote:Why?
His quotes about Mexicans went too far. It is apparent he hates Mexicans and thinks all of them are rapists, murderers, gang-bangers, and drug-dealers, when that is definitely NOT the case.
Doctrines of the Gospel are revealed through the Spirit to Prophets... not through the intellect to scholars.

JST Matt 10:30
Think not, that I am come to send peace on earth;
I came not to send peace, but a sword.

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Postby samizdat » Wed Jul 29, 2015 5:23 pm

And even if not for those comments, I see how this man is operating and he would be BAD news if he got elected. Many people call Obama a dictator here. Trump would not only act the part real well as Obama has done, but he WOULD be one for real.

Keep in mind I live in Mexico, and everyone is raging mad about Trump right now. In fact, now that "Midget" is out of jail, escaped again from the same prison he escaped from before, I wouldn't be surprised if "Midget" ordered a hit on Trump. In fact, that action would be backed by the vast majority of Mexicans right now.

I've had to practice on my German so that people don't think I'm an American. Trump's words he spoke on that day, were indicative of racism and prejudice of the highest degree. You can google what he said when he declared his hat to be in the ring. He would NOT be a good president. But I wouldn't be surprised if he ended up as a third party candidate.

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Postby Serragon » Wed Jul 29, 2015 5:39 pm

samizdat wrote: Keep in mind I live in Mexico, and everyone is raging mad about Trump right now. In fact, now that "Midget" is out of jail, escaped again from the same prison he escaped from before, I wouldn't be surprised if "Midget" ordered a hit on Trump. In fact, that action would be backed by the vast majority of Mexicans right now.
Thank you for vindicating Trump's comments.

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Postby Stacy Oliver » Wed Jul 29, 2015 5:43 pm

Trump is the candidate for people who love socialism, but hate Mexicans.

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Postby samizdat » Wed Jul 29, 2015 5:45 pm

Serragon wrote:
samizdat wrote: Keep in mind I live in Mexico, and everyone is raging mad about Trump right now. In fact, now that "Midget" is out of jail, escaped again from the same prison he escaped from before, I wouldn't be surprised if "Midget" ordered a hit on Trump. In fact, that action would be backed by the vast majority of Mexicans right now.
Thank you for vindicating Trump's comments.
Trump is so far out there he is unbelievable. To paraphrase one of my favorite actors and wrestlers: (Mexico) did not screw Donald Trump. Donald Trump screwed Donald Trump.

Anyone with eyes to see and ears to hear, are seeing what Trump is advocating and what his people are doing, with a certain megalomaniac born in Austria that became the Chancellor of Germany in 1933.

Only this time instead of the Jews, it's the immigrants. Hypocritical given that those working on Trump's hotel in DC happen to be...illegal immigrants.

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Postby samizdat » Wed Jul 29, 2015 5:45 pm

Stacy Oliver wrote:Trump is the candidate for people who love socialism, but hate Mexicans.
Couldn't have said that better myself. Good job!

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Postby Serragon » Wed Jul 29, 2015 5:50 pm

I am not a trump supporter. In fact, I really don't like the guy at all. But everyone's rhetoric here is off the charts. He doesn't hate Mexicans. Everything he said about illegal immigrants from mexico that I have read is true.

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Postby samizdat » Wed Jul 29, 2015 5:55 pm

What precisely do illegal immigrants do in the USA? They make your fast food, build your homes and offices, and Trump's hotel, mow your lawns, package your meat, produce, and crops...

On the other side of the border they make your smart phones, your televisions, your computers...for a tenth of the salary they would receive in the USA.

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Postby Serragon » Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:16 pm

samizdat wrote:What precisely do illegal immigrants do in the USA? They make your fast food, build your homes and offices, and Trump's hotel, mow your lawns, package your meat, produce, and crops...
That is what some of them do. Some of them also murder, rape, deal drugs, etc... It appears you are reading more into his statements than what was said.

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Postby samizdat » Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:19 pm

Serragon wrote:
samizdat wrote:What precisely do illegal immigrants do in the USA? They make your fast food, build your homes and offices, and Trump's hotel, mow your lawns, package your meat, produce, and crops...
That is what some of them do. Some of them also murder, rape, deal drugs, etc... It appears you are reading more into his statements than what was said.
He was pretty clear about what he said.

Do we punish everyone for the sins of a few? Do we break up families because some are illegal? Or do we try an approach where we are more humane, have them pay fines for entering illegally, and have them pay back taxes as well? I prefer the more humane option.

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Postby Serragon » Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:30 pm

samizdat wrote: He was pretty clear about what he said.
The only thing clear for you is what you heard. I asked for you to post the quotes. Of the ones I have read, none of them say what you heard.
samizdat wrote: Do we punish everyone for the sins of a few? Do we break up families because some are illegal? Or do we try an approach where we are more humane, have them pay fines for entering illegally, and have them pay back taxes as well? I prefer the more humane option.
Everyone should be punished for their own transgression. Whoever said otherwise? The adjective illegal indicates something here...

It is the illegal immigrant families who are breaking themselves up. When you decide to do something illegal, this is the risk you take. They can all go live in Mexico together as one happy family if they so choose. Why is it suddenly the US govt responsibility to make sure criminals are allowed to live together with their families in the place of the criminals choosing? Don't you hold people accountable for their own actions?

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Postby samizdat » Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:52 pm

Serragon wrote:
samizdat wrote: He was pretty clear about what he said.
The only thing clear for you is what you heard. I asked for you to post the quotes. Of the ones I have read, none of them say what you heard.
samizdat wrote: Do we punish everyone for the sins of a few? Do we break up families because some are illegal? Or do we try an approach where we are more humane, have them pay fines for entering illegally, and have them pay back taxes as well? I prefer the more humane option.
Everyone should be punished for their own transgression. Whoever said otherwise? The adjective illegal indicates something here...

It is the illegal immigrant families who are breaking themselves up. When you decide to do something illegal, this is the risk you take. They can all go live in Mexico together as one happy family if they so choose. Why is it suddenly the US govt responsibility to make sure criminals are allowed to live together with their families in the place of the criminals choosing? Don't you hold people accountable for their own actions?
Except they can't. I noticed you ignored the hard working aspects of these immigrants that come across the border and that tend to be conservative religiously speaking (vast majority Catholic or Evangelical, a few Mormons mixed in there too). You also ignore the fact that many of those that DO cross in the manner that they do cross because they have NO other available options (no money, no local opprotunities, no assistance, etc). Getting a visa costs time and money, money which these people jumping or tunneling across do not have.

The Mexican culture comes from a rich influence of Spanish and prehispanic influences, cultures that DID have something to do with morals back in the day despite what we read in the history books. The Spanish killed some indigenous folks and intermarried with the others. The Aztec and Maya didn't die off. They just simply mixed with the Spanish.

And in that culture, you have the idea of the SPIRIT of the Law over the LETTER of the law. Taught by their white god Quetzalcoatl or Kukulkan (which John Taylor concluded to be Jesus Christ). One of those laws said if you stole something you were worthy to be punished with death. However the law stated that if you were poor, you could grab the corn that was alongside the road, up to four stalks inside. No one really judged if someone was poor or rich, but the first four stalks (out of dozens) were fair game.

If you are poor and you have a family to feed, are you going to give them a 100 peso (6 USD) salary a day, which is a typical wage for these people? Or are you going to seize an opprotunity to get a 7.50 or better USD wage which no American will do, and build your house in Mexico with what you get there? The American grows blue in the face saying that's illegal. The Mexican says, I'm just helping out my family. Both based on their cultures.



The American culture comes from a mixed up influence of several European cultures over time.

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Re: TRUMP.

Postby samizdat » Wed Jul 29, 2015 6:55 pm

Serragon wrote:
samizdat wrote: He was pretty clear about what he said.
The only thing clear for you is what you heard. I asked for you to post the quotes. Of the ones I have read, none of them say what you heard.
samizdat wrote: Do we punish everyone for the sins of a few? Do we break up families because some are illegal? Or do we try an approach where we are more humane, have them pay fines for entering illegally, and have them pay back taxes as well? I prefer the more humane option.
Everyone should be punished for their own transgression. Whoever said otherwise? The adjective illegal indicates something here...

It is the illegal immigrant families who are breaking themselves up. When you decide to do something illegal, this is the risk you take. They can all go live in Mexico together as one happy family if they so choose. Why is it suddenly the US govt responsibility to make sure criminals are allowed to live together with their families in the place of the criminals choosing? Don't you hold people accountable for their own actions?
For your quotes:

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015 ... xico-rapes" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fac ... and-crime/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Postby Serragon » Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:16 pm

samizdat wrote:
Serragon wrote:
samizdat wrote: He was pretty clear about what he said.
The only thing clear for you is what you heard. I asked for you to post the quotes. Of the ones I have read, none of them say what you heard.
samizdat wrote: Do we punish everyone for the sins of a few? Do we break up families because some are illegal? Or do we try an approach where we are more humane, have them pay fines for entering illegally, and have them pay back taxes as well? I prefer the more humane option.
Everyone should be punished for their own transgression. Whoever said otherwise? The adjective illegal indicates something here...

It is the illegal immigrant families who are breaking themselves up. When you decide to do something illegal, this is the risk you take. They can all go live in Mexico together as one happy family if they so choose. Why is it suddenly the US govt responsibility to make sure criminals are allowed to live together with their families in the place of the criminals choosing? Don't you hold people accountable for their own actions?
Except they can't. I noticed you ignored the hard working aspects of these immigrants that come across the border and that tend to be conservative religiously speaking (vast majority Catholic or Evangelical, a few Mormons mixed in there too). You also ignore the fact that many of those that DO cross in the manner that they do cross because they have NO other available options (no money, no local opprotunities, no assistance, etc). Getting a visa costs time and money, money which these people jumping or tunneling across do not have.

The Mexican culture comes from a rich influence of Spanish and prehispanic influences, cultures that DID have something to do with morals back in the day despite what we read in the history books. The Spanish killed some indigenous folks and intermarried with the others. The Aztec and Maya didn't die off. They just simply mixed with the Spanish.

And in that culture, you have the idea of the SPIRIT of the Law over the LETTER of the law. Taught by their white god Quetzalcoatl or Kukulkan (which John Taylor concluded to be Jesus Christ). One of those laws said if you stole something you were worthy to be punished with death. However the law stated that if you were poor, you could grab the corn that was alongside the road, up to four stalks inside. No one really judged if someone was poor or rich, but the first four stalks (out of dozens) were fair game.

If you are poor and you have a family to feed, are you going to give them a 100 peso (6 USD) salary a day, which is a typical wage for these people? Or are you going to seize an opprotunity to get a 7.50 or better USD wage which no American will do, and build your house in Mexico with what you get there? The American grows blue in the face saying that's illegal. The Mexican says, I'm just helping out my family. Both based on their cultures.



The American culture comes from a mixed up influence of several European cultures over time.
This is an amazingly idealistic view of what illegal immigrants are and what motivates them. I have no doubt that this does describe some. None of this disproves anything Trump said. None of this disproves that many illegal immigrants rape, murder, and commit crime here.

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Postby Serragon » Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:19 pm

samizdat wrote:
Serragon wrote:
samizdat wrote: He was pretty clear about what he said.
The only thing clear for you is what you heard. I asked for you to post the quotes. Of the ones I have read, none of them say what you heard.
samizdat wrote: Do we punish everyone for the sins of a few? Do we break up families because some are illegal? Or do we try an approach where we are more humane, have them pay fines for entering illegally, and have them pay back taxes as well? I prefer the more humane option.
Everyone should be punished for their own transgression. Whoever said otherwise? The adjective illegal indicates something here...

It is the illegal immigrant families who are breaking themselves up. When you decide to do something illegal, this is the risk you take. They can all go live in Mexico together as one happy family if they so choose. Why is it suddenly the US govt responsibility to make sure criminals are allowed to live together with their families in the place of the criminals choosing? Don't you hold people accountable for their own actions?
For your quotes:

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015 ... xico-rapes" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fac ... and-crime/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Thank you. Those are the same quotes I read. Nothing he said was untrue. It may be stated in a harsh manner, but it appears that you and others are taking it personally instead of addressing the facts presented.

Many illegal Mexican immigrants rape, murder, and commit other crimes. It is a fact. And even 1 rape or murder is too many.

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Postby Serragon » Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:22 pm

samizdat wrote:
Serragon wrote:
samizdat wrote: He was pretty clear about what he said.
The only thing clear for you is what you heard. I asked for you to post the quotes. Of the ones I have read, none of them say what you heard.
samizdat wrote: Do we punish everyone for the sins of a few? Do we break up families because some are illegal? Or do we try an approach where we are more humane, have them pay fines for entering illegally, and have them pay back taxes as well? I prefer the more humane option.
Everyone should be punished for their own transgression. Whoever said otherwise? The adjective illegal indicates something here...

It is the illegal immigrant families who are breaking themselves up. When you decide to do something illegal, this is the risk you take. They can all go live in Mexico together as one happy family if they so choose. Why is it suddenly the US govt responsibility to make sure criminals are allowed to live together with their families in the place of the criminals choosing? Don't you hold people accountable for their own actions?
Except they can't. I noticed you ignored the hard working aspects of these immigrants that come across the border and that tend to be conservative religiously speaking (vast majority Catholic or Evangelical, a few Mormons mixed in there too). You also ignore the fact that many of those that DO cross in the manner that they do cross because they have NO other available options (no money, no local opprotunities, no assistance, etc). Getting a visa costs time and money, money which these people jumping or tunneling across do not have.

The Mexican culture comes from a rich influence of Spanish and prehispanic influences, cultures that DID have something to do with morals back in the day despite what we read in the history books. The Spanish killed some indigenous folks and intermarried with the others. The Aztec and Maya didn't die off. They just simply mixed with the Spanish.

And in that culture, you have the idea of the SPIRIT of the Law over the LETTER of the law. Taught by their white god Quetzalcoatl or Kukulkan (which John Taylor concluded to be Jesus Christ). One of those laws said if you stole something you were worthy to be punished with death. However the law stated that if you were poor, you could grab the corn that was alongside the road, up to four stalks inside. No one really judged if someone was poor or rich, but the first four stalks (out of dozens) were fair game.

If you are poor and you have a family to feed, are you going to give them a 100 peso (6 USD) salary a day, which is a typical wage for these people? Or are you going to seize an opprotunity to get a 7.50 or better USD wage which no American will do, and build your house in Mexico with what you get there? The American grows blue in the face saying that's illegal. The Mexican says, I'm just helping out my family. Both based on their cultures.



The American culture comes from a mixed up influence of several European cultures over time.
If this is true then why doesn't the Mexican govt allow free flow of Guatemalans and El Salvadorans into Mexico for a better life? Don't they come from the same basic cultural background and understanding? Seems to be a tad bit of hypocrisy here...

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Postby Serragon » Wed Jul 29, 2015 7:35 pm

From a report by the State of Texas department of Public Safety:

From October 2008 to April 2014, Texas identified a total 177,588 unique criminal alien defendants booked into Texas county jails. These individuals have been identified through the Secure Communities initiative, in which Texas has participated since October 2008.

A review of these 177,588 defendants shows that they are responsible for at least 611,234 individual criminal charges over their criminal careers, including 2,993 homicides and 7,695 sexual assaults.


http://pjmedia.com/jchristianadams/2015 ... 3-murders/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

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Re: TRUMP.

Postby samizdat » Wed Jul 29, 2015 9:41 pm

Serragon wrote:
samizdat wrote:
Serragon wrote:
samizdat wrote: He was pretty clear about what he said.
The only thing clear for you is what you heard. I asked for you to post the quotes. Of the ones I have read, none of them say what you heard.
samizdat wrote: Do we punish everyone for the sins of a few? Do we break up families because some are illegal? Or do we try an approach where we are more humane, have them pay fines for entering illegally, and have them pay back taxes as well? I prefer the more humane option.
Everyone should be punished for their own transgression. Whoever said otherwise? The adjective illegal indicates something here...

It is the illegal immigrant families who are breaking themselves up. When you decide to do something illegal, this is the risk you take. They can all go live in Mexico together as one happy family if they so choose. Why is it suddenly the US govt responsibility to make sure criminals are allowed to live together with their families in the place of the criminals choosing? Don't you hold people accountable for their own actions?
Except they can't. I noticed you ignored the hard working aspects of these immigrants that come across the border and that tend to be conservative religiously speaking (vast majority Catholic or Evangelical, a few Mormons mixed in there too). You also ignore the fact that many of those that DO cross in the manner that they do cross because they have NO other available options (no money, no local opprotunities, no assistance, etc). Getting a visa costs time and money, money which these people jumping or tunneling across do not have.

The Mexican culture comes from a rich influence of Spanish and prehispanic influences, cultures that DID have something to do with morals back in the day despite what we read in the history books. The Spanish killed some indigenous folks and intermarried with the others. The Aztec and Maya didn't die off. They just simply mixed with the Spanish.

And in that culture, you have the idea of the SPIRIT of the Law over the LETTER of the law. Taught by their white god Quetzalcoatl or Kukulkan (which John Taylor concluded to be Jesus Christ). One of those laws said if you stole something you were worthy to be punished with death. However the law stated that if you were poor, you could grab the corn that was alongside the road, up to four stalks inside. No one really judged if someone was poor or rich, but the first four stalks (out of dozens) were fair game.

If you are poor and you have a family to feed, are you going to give them a 100 peso (6 USD) salary a day, which is a typical wage for these people? Or are you going to seize an opprotunity to get a 7.50 or better USD wage which no American will do, and build your house in Mexico with what you get there? The American grows blue in the face saying that's illegal. The Mexican says, I'm just helping out my family. Both based on their cultures.



The American culture comes from a mixed up influence of several European cultures over time.
If this is true then why doesn't the Mexican govt allow free flow of Guatemalans and El Salvadorans into Mexico for a better life? Don't they come from the same basic cultural background and understanding? Seems to be a tad bit of hypocrisy here...
You would be surprised to know that the Salvadorians and Guatemalans are actually entering Mexico both legally and illegally. I served my mission on the Guatemalan border. There are quite a few places of refuge run by priests that aren't even touched by the govt. You would also notice the USA saying to Mexico not to cross illegally because you would be first priority for deportation. Even the Mex govt has put up signs NOT to cross illegally to the USA. So in all of that Trump is incorrect.

Mexico's immigration laws have become more liberal since Calderon. Peña Nieto hasnt changed too much either.

I will give u this however: you should have ID's to vote. Mexico requires them (special voter ID given by the natl electoral institute. No ID, no vote

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Postby Elizabeth » Wed Jul 29, 2015 10:44 pm

According to many sources reported on the internet, the flow of illegals, criminals, terrorists, and those carrying diseases is ongoing and rampant along the border between Mexico and the US. That they then become a danger to the lives of US citizens and a financial burden to the country in providing welfare, medical and education is obvious.
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Postby samizdat » Thu Jul 30, 2015 12:19 am

Here is where I could give you the benefit of the doubt on this. I still contend that the majority that cross illegally would cross legally if they had access to the legal options.

Imagine if you were in their shoes? Making six dollars a day. With a family to feed. Your country borders a prosperous one whose minimum wage is ten timrd your current salary. You have tried to enter legally but are rejected due to lack of money. how would you react?

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Postby Elizabeth » Thu Jul 30, 2015 12:41 am

If those who complain of the conditions in the country of their birth, would stay and improve those conditions, instead of leaving and expecting other countries to support them, then their country of birth would surely benefit.

I am one who believes that no one should have children if they do not have the means to feed and support them.
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Democrats clearly hate American exceptionalism, capitalism, entrepreneurship and Judeo-Christian values. They hate business owners (see “You didn’t build that”) and blame American patriotism, white people, business owners and Christians for every problem in the world today.
The Democratic Party is riddled with socialists, Marxists and communists hell-bent on “fundamentally changing America.” The Democratic Party is filled with:
Frauds (see Obama, Jonathan Gruber and the lies used to sell Obamacare),
Traitors (see Obama, John Kerry and the new Iran nuclear treaty),
Thieves and con men (see Hillary Clinton and the Clinton Foundation),
Reckless wasters of taxpayer money (see Obama’s Kenya trip that cost us over $50 million dollars for one day in a country that offers America nothing),
And outright criminals (see Clinton’s upcoming criminal investigation over her 32,000 deleted emails — some of them classified — and Obama’s use of the IRS to target, persecute and even attempt to imprison political opponents and critics).
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I suspect many of the Republican leaders in Washington are either being bribed or blackmailed. Exhibit A is Supreme Court Justice John Roberts, House Speaker John Boehner and Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell. These guys are all either bought and paid for or someone is holding a gun to their heads (along with a photo of them in bed doing something shocking). Don’t believe me? See Dennis Hastert.
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Trump’s mouth is a nuclear weapon.
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Nice has left the border wide open to an illegal alien invasion, the bankruptcy of America and a terrorist attack like 9/11.
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Romney is a very nice guy. Romney has manners. Romney would never offend anyone. Romney let the media run roughshod over him. Romney would never say something rude or offensive about Obama or Clinton. Romney would never accuse them of crimes against the American people. Romney would never prosecute Obama or Clinton if he were elected.
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Democrats, the corrupt GOP leadership and the mainstream media — all want another Romney.
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