DesNews: "...lay off talking about the Constitution..."

[mattctr]

GO BACK TO SLEEP:
In an article entitled "Let's give talk about Constitution a needed rest", Lee Benson of the Deseret News says:
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/7000 ... -rest.html

The elections are over, and I have a personal request:
Could we lay off talking about the Constitution for a while?
Please?
The tea party is obsessed with the Constitution. Talk show host Glenn Beck waves it like a panacea. Newly elected tea party politicians are holding up copies like they're clutching the Holy Grail.
These people are acting weird. They're starting to scare me.
I'm not saying it's not a good idea to pay down the national debt and give some rights back to states where they belong. I'm saying I'm tired of the Constitution being referred to as a magic potion with a secret formula that contains a special endowed power known only to a select enlightened few.
It's like we all crawled into the plot in a Dan Brown book.
Any day now we'll wake up and find out it's a Masonic conspiracy and, incredibly, every one of the Founding Fathers is related to Ron Paul....

Deseret Digital Media seems to constantly promote the great and spacious establishment.

[Original_Intent]

Wow, I'd hate to have that article entered into evidence against me at judgement day!

[Mahonri]

Next Monday they will have an article saying "Sunday is over, can we stop talking about the Scriptures, the sacrifice of the Savior and what we need to do to become like Him, please?"

These people at Des News and KSL have a higher standard because of who their owner is, but they are just as bad as the non mormon media, but do more damage because some people think that because the Church owns it, it must be true.

This kind of editorial is evil.

[Like]

I wonder if his twin brother Dee who was a former chief judge for the United States District Court for the State of Utah felt the same way about the Constitution?

[mattctr]

I wonder if his twin brother Dee who was a former chief judge for the United States District Court for the State of Utah felt the same way about the Constitution?

Tweedle-Dee and Tweedle-Dum? I hope not, but I wouldn't be surprised to learn they have similar views.

Thank you for reminding us of that little connection... Twins... Hmm.

[Col. Flagg]

Unbelievable... in a day and age when we need more people united more than ever behind the Constitution because of what evil and conspiring men are doing to us in Washington, DC and in our financial system, the Deseret News has the audacity to print an article like this? Guess I know who my next letter to the editor is going to.

[Col. Flagg]

Next Monday they will have an article saying "Sunday is over, can we stop talking about the Scriptures, the sacrifice of the Savior and what we need to do to become like Him, please?"

These people at Des News and KSL have a higher standard because of who their owner is, but they are just as bad as the non mormon media, but do more damage because some people think that because the Church owns it, it must be true.

This kind of editorial is evil.

Doesn't Bonneville Communications (church owned) own KSL? How many years now has KSL aired those morally bankrupt soap operas?

[cjex]

Wow, that article just ruined my day. How are we to be one if one of our own thinks like that?

[Jason]

Wow, that article just ruined my day. How are we to be one if one of our own thinks like that?

....the we needs to get divided asunder! One side lives while the other does not!

[Songbird]

Next Monday they will have an article saying "Sunday is over, can we stop talking about the Scriptures, the sacrifice of the Savior and what we need to do to become like Him, please?"

These people at Des News and KSL have a higher standard because of who their owner is, but they are just as bad as the non mormon media, but do more damage because some people think that because the Church owns it, it must be true.

This kind of editorial is evil.

Is this really a member who wrote this? Does the church still own this paper? If so, I hope he is censored by the Church!

Actually, on second thought, maybe he was directed to say it so that the public will get shaken from the chains by which we are bound" : Apathy

[Jason]

Next Monday they will have an article saying "Sunday is over, can we stop talking about the Scriptures, the sacrifice of the Savior and what we need to do to become like Him, please?"

These people at Des News and KSL have a higher standard because of who their owner is, but they are just as bad as the non mormon media, but do more damage because some people think that because the Church owns it, it must be true.

This kind of editorial is evil.

Is this really a member who wrote this? Does the church still own this paper? If so, I hope he is censored by the Church!

Actually, on second thought, maybe he was directed to say it so that the public will get shaken from the chains by which we are bound" : Apathy

Why would you hope for censorship?

[Original_Intent]

Next Monday they will have an article saying "Sunday is over, can we stop talking about the Scriptures, the sacrifice of the Savior and what we need to do to become like Him, please?"

These people at Des News and KSL have a higher standard because of who their owner is, but they are just as bad as the non mormon media, but do more damage because some people think that because the Church owns it, it must be true.

This kind of editorial is evil.

Is this really a member who wrote this? Does the church still own this paper? If so, I hope he is censored by the Church!

Actually, on second thought, maybe he was directed to say it so that the public will get shaken from the chains by which we are bound" : Apathy

Why would you hope for censorship?

Maybe "censured" ?

[Jason]

Why would you hope for censorship?

Maybe "censured" ?

Why....let the man speak his piece.....if the masses agree with him....let them reap what they sow! If they don't buy the paper....let them reap what they sow!

[Fiannan]

So should members kind of stop making reference to the Constitution hanging by a thread?

It's one thing to be in the trenches fighting the forces of immorality and secularism but come one, it irks me when someone smacks you from behind who you suspect is supposed to be on your side.

[Col. Flagg]

This guy must have missed Dallin H. Oaks' speech at the Tabernacle recently and Boyd K. Packer's remarks in general conference and other addresses over the past 2 years.

[buffalo_girl]

There's a place for comments in response to that editorial.

Anyone leave a comment?

I will...

[pjbrownie]

Yeah, stop talking about the Constitution, because imposing it will make things worse in the short run . . . I want my GOP to go back to Washington to make Babylon work again.

That's my take on Mr. Lee Benson.

[firend]

GO BACK TO SLEEP:
In an article entitled "Let's give talk about Constitution a needed rest", Lee Benson of the Deseret News says:
http://www.deseretnews.com/article/7000 ... -rest.html

The elections are over, and I have a personal request:
Could we lay off talking about the Constitution for a while?
Please?
The tea party is obsessed with the Constitution. Talk show host Glenn Beck waves it like a panacea. Newly elected tea party politicians are holding up copies like they're clutching the Holy Grail.
These people are acting weird. They're starting to scare me.
I'm not saying it's not a good idea to pay down the national debt and give some rights back to states where they belong. I'm saying I'm tired of the Constitution being referred to as a magic potion with a secret formula that contains a special endowed power known only to a select enlightened few.
It's like we all crawled into the plot in a Dan Brown book.
Any day now we'll wake up and find out it's a Masonic conspiracy and, incredibly, every one of the Founding Fathers is related to Ron Paul....

Deseret Digital Media seems to constantly promote the great and spacious establishment.

[Jason]

So should members kind of stop making reference to the Constitution hanging by a thread?

It's one thing to be in the trenches fighting the forces of immorality and secularism but come one, it irks me when someone smacks you from behind who you suspect is supposed to be on your side.

....ahh but me thinks there will be tons more of that in our near future! Sad but commiserate with the times....

[buffalo_girl]

It seems like the 'comments' section for that editorial has been closed. Anyone else try to post a comment?

Anyway, I found Mr. Benson's email address and sent the following email letter to him. Hope he got it!

Dear Mr. Benson:

Apparently, Deseret News has closed 'Comments' to your recent article regarding the Constitution for the United States.

I am a big fan of our Constitution, but it is words on a piece of paper, not holy writ.

Being 'a big fan of our Constitution' suggests you are discussing a football team or a movie star - entities which emerge and disappear according to popular whim and physical endurance inevitably dissipated over time.

The fact that you are able to publicly express your opinion in opposition to those who 'talk about the Constitution' is guaranteed by the First Amendment of the Constitution. Do you honestly think it is appropriate to denigrate those who express their opinions in support of Constitutional Law whilst 'employing' the very document you flippantly refer to as 'words on a piece of paper'?

Your statement 'not holy writ' is an insult to the belief of many members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints who uphold the words of prophets regarding the Constitution for the United States. Of course, I understand such a statement is your opinion. You do acknowledge it 'is a complement' that 'other countries' have patterned their constitutional law on that of the United States. There must be something of interest therein.

I hope you will try a little harder to exercise patience with those who desire to see Rule of Law reestablished on a Federal level as regards constitutional 'checks & balances'. These constitutionally defined 'checks & balances' are essential to the Freedom of those NOW living in a Nation established - despite the human frailties of the Founding Fathers - on Principles of Liberty.

There have indeed been Amendments added to the Constitution. However, it is essential for us to comprehend the intent of those changes and the ultimate impact on our 'Rights'. Therefore, we MUST talk about Constitutional issues.

Please bear with me in sharing a scripture from the LDS Standard Works, Doctrine & Covenants 101:

76...it is my will that they should continue to importune for redress, and redemption, by the hands of those who are placed as rulers and are in authority over you—
77 According to the laws and aconstitution of the people, which I have suffered to be established, and should be maintained for the brights and protection of all flesh, according to just and holy principles;
78 That every man may act in doctrine and principle pertaining to futurity, according to the moral aagency which I have given unto him, that every man may be baccountable for his own sins in the day of cjudgment.
79 Therefore, it is not right that any man should be in abondage one to another.
80 And for this purpose have I established the aConstitution of this land, by the hands of wise men whom I raised up unto this very purpose, and redeemed the land by the bshedding of blood.

If Liberty is not Holy, what is?

Yours truly,

[Jason]

It seems like the 'comments' section for that editorial has been closed. Anyone else try to post a comment?

Anyway, I found Mr. Benson's email address and sent the following email letter to him. Hope he got it!

Dear Mr. Benson:

Apparently, Deseret News has closed 'Comments' to your recent article regarding the Constitution for the United States.

I am a big fan of our Constitution, but it is words on a piece of paper, not holy writ.

Being 'a big fan of our Constitution' suggests you are discussing a football team or a movie star - entities which emerge and disappear according to popular whim and physical endurance inevitably dissipated over time.

The fact that you are able to publicly express your opinion in opposition to those who 'talk about the Constitution' is guaranteed by the First Amendment of the Constitution. Do you honestly think it is appropriate to denigrate those who express their opinions in support of Constitutional Law whilst 'employing' the very document you flippantly refer to as 'words on a piece of paper'?

Your statement 'not holy writ' is an insult to the belief of many members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints who uphold the words of prophets regarding the Constitution for the United States. Of course, I understand such a statement is your opinion. You do acknowledge it 'is a complement' that 'other countries' have patterned their constitutional law on that of the United States. There must be something of interest therein.

I hope you will try a little harder to exercise patience with those who desire to see Rule of Law reestablished on a Federal level as regards constitutional 'checks & balances'. These constitutionally defined 'checks & balances' are essential to the Freedom of those NOW living in a Nation established - despite the human frailties of the Founding Fathers - on Principles of Liberty.

There have indeed been Amendments added to the Constitution. However, it is essential for us to comprehend the intent of those changes and the ultimate impact on our 'Rights'. Therefore, we MUST talk about Constitutional issues.

Please bare with me in sharing a scripture from the LDS Standard Works, Doctrine & Covenants 101:

76...it is my will that they should continue to importune for redress, and redemption, by the hands of those who are placed as rulers and are in authority over you—
77 According to the laws and aconstitution of the people, which I have suffered to be established, and should be maintained for the brights and protection of all flesh, according to just and holy principles;
78 That every man may act in doctrine and principle pertaining to futurity, according to the moral aagency which I have given unto him, that every man may be baccountable for his own sins in the day of cjudgment.
79 Therefore, it is not right that any man should be in abondage one to another.
80 And for this purpose have I established the aConstitution of this land, by the hands of wise men whom I raised up unto this very purpose, and redeemed the land by the bshedding of blood.

If Liberty is not Holy, what is?

Yours truly,

Well said BG!!! I admire your ability to be temperate!

[Fiannan]

So should members kind of stop making reference to the Constitution hanging by a thread?

It's one thing to be in the trenches fighting the forces of immorality and secularism but come one, it irks me when someone smacks you from behind who you suspect is supposed to be on your side.

....ahh but me thinks there will be tons more of that in our near future! Sad but commiserate with the times....

Yeah, you are probably right. Yet throughout all recorded scriptural history it seems that this has been the case.

[firend]

I do not know who owns the paper Deseret News. I googled and found this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deseret_News

Also in the Reed Smoot hearings this was said:

A day later, because the ownership of the Deseret News and its articles were keys to the case, Joseph F. Smith testified:

Mr. Tayler: In what form does your church have title to the Deseret News property?
Mr. Smith: It owns the deed.
Mr. Tayler: I am speaking of the newspaper, not the building.
Mr. Smith: The press; yes. I would like to state that when I was asked that question before, Mr. Tayler, I was not aware of the fact that I have since learned from my counsel here that during the trusteeship of Lorenzo Snow the Deseret News plant was transferred from the Deseret News Company to Lorenzo Snow, trustee, in trust. I was not aware of the fact, Mr. Chairman, when that question was asked me yesterday, I believe it was. I have since learned that that is the fact and that my counsel who is here made out the papers for the transfer. .....
Mr. Tayler: So that it is now in YOU as trustee in trust?
Mr. Smith: NOW I OWN IT AS TRUSTEE IN TRUST. Furthermore, I will say that I have discovered since yesterday that there is published on the second or third page of the Deseret News the statement that it is the "organ of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints"
(Reed Smoot case, Vol. 1, page 158).


So It seems the church still would own it.

[LukeAir2008]

Let's defend the Constitution by prohibiting free speech!

[Mahonri]

The news paper is now part of a subsidiary of the corporation of the Presiding Bishopric, so everything in it must be true

As for limiting free speech to protect the Constitution/liberty; that is not beyond reason. The Prophet Joseph ordered the destruction of a press. Righteous societies in the Book of Mormon hauled people in before a judge for saying things that were against the Gospel.