The alleged sign of the woman on 9/23/2017

[Michael Sherwin]

I do believe it was legit. I have Stellarium loaded on my pc. I have done the work. I scanned back over 6000 years and forward over 1000 years. If Revelation 12:1&2 is really a sign in the heavens for us to see then only 9/23/2017 is a perfect match. I also looked at the other dates that people said there was a match and they were wrong imo because I saw nothing close. The closest was a little over 6000 years ago when Adam and Eve were in the garden. It was near identical except it was Saturn in Virgo instead of Jupiter. Saturn is said to represent Satan so that configuration actually makes sense opposed to the sign of the woman.

Nothing happened on 9/23/2017? Nothing was supposed to happen on 9/23/2017! There is one happening before the sign and one after. Before the sign the man child is born.

Isaiah 66:7 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.

After the sign as her travail ends is the birth of the rest of her children.

Isaiah 66:8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.

The second birth is the resurrection/rapture and no not 1948 as is falsely taught. Though I want to focus on the man child here. The man child is not the Church as some Christians teach because it is the church birthed in Isa 66:8. The Church believes the man child is Jesus and of course it happened long ago. That is also not correct. Jesus anoints the man child with a great anointing.

Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

Revelation 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

Revelation 2:28 And I will give him the morning star.

The exact anointing the man child receives is this.

Psalm 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Psalm 2:8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

Psalm 2:9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

Psalm 2:10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.

One might say that the man child is mighty and strong, Isa 28:2 and he instructs, Mal 3:3. Those are clues. My main focus is on the man child in relation to the sign. That the man child is central to the sign should not be underrated. Maybe the sign can be a help to finding when the man child was born? I could call that a revelation I had but I will just call it an inspiration. So I decided to bring up Stellarium and start scanning back in time to see what I could find if anything that might be the sign of his birth. That is when a very rare event happened. I heard a barely audible voice say, "why are you doing it that way when you already know what date to check". That part of the story I'm not going to explain. But I have learned that when I'm told to look at something specific like that even though I do not know what I'll find by now I absolutely knew I'd find something. That is just the way it works. And I know that I'll lose most readers at this point because what reason do you have to trust me. There are plenty of liars in the world. So I'll do something that I should not do and quote a few lines from my patriarchal blessing.

"one who has received deep understanding"
"you and Jesus are brothers and great friends"
"You and the Savior discussed your life many times before your birth"
"I bless you to increase your faith to become mighty and strong"
"You will not be alone; His angels will be all around you, and He will give you the very words"

Anyway, the date I knew to check was 7/27/1957. When I did I saw that Mercury, Mars and Venus were all in Leo together like they were on 9/23/2017. Also Jupiter was just entering Virgo. But wait a minute. From 7/23/1957 to 8/10/1957 the same was also true. So why 7/27/1957 and not one of the other dates? That is when I discovered that 7/27 started the sabbath and that it was also a new moon. Okay fine, I knew that I'd find something and I did but how many times did this alignment happen between 7/27/1957 and 9/23/2017? So I checked and it did not. So it is my testimony that the end times messenger, the man child, sent by the Lord was born 7/27/1957. And that on 7/27/2018 during the blood moon that I understand to be the sign of his soon cutting off and catching up that he entered his 62nd year.

The only reason that I am sharing this is because if it is legit it should be known. As for me part of me believes these things that happen in my life are legit but I constantly wrestle with the part of me that thinks everything is just coincidental. Sort of like spinning 32 red in a row on a roulette wheel. It happens once in a hundred years even though it seems impossible.

[I AM]

I do believe it was legit. I have Stellarium loaded on my pc. I have done the work. I scanned back over 6000 years and forward over 1000 years. If Revelation 12:1&2 is really a sign in the heavens for us to see then only 9/23/2017 is a perfect match. I also looked at the other dates that people said there was a match and they were wrong imo because I saw nothing close. The closest was a little over 6000 years ago when Adam and Eve were in the garden. It was near identical except it was Saturn in Virgo instead of Jupiter. Saturn is said to represent Satan so that configuration actually makes sense opposed to the sign of the woman.

Nothing happened on 9/23/2017? Nothing was supposed to happen on 9/23/2017! There is one happening before the sign and one after. Before the sign the man child is born.

Isaiah 66:7 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.

After the sign as her travail ends is the birth of the rest of her children.

Isaiah 66:8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.

The second birth is the resurrection/rapture and no not 1948 as is falsely taught. Though I want to focus on the man child here. The man child is not the Church as some Christians teach because it is the church birthed in Isa 66:8. The Church believes the man child is Jesus and of course it happened long ago. That is also not correct. Jesus anoints the man child with a great anointing.

Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

Revelation 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

Revelation 2:28 And I will give him the morning star.

The exact anointing the man child receives is this.

Psalm 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Psalm 2:8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

Psalm 2:9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

Psalm 2:10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.

One might say that the man child is mighty and strong, Isa 28:2 and he instructs, Mal 3:3. Those are clues. My main focus is on the man child in relation to the sign. That the man child is central to the sign should not be underrated. Maybe the sign can be a help to finding when the man child was born? I could call that a revelation I had but I will just call it an inspiration. So I decided to bring up Stellarium and start scanning back in time to see what I could find if anything that might be the sign of his birth. That is when a very rare event happened. I heard a barely audible voice say, "why are you doing it that way when you already know what date to check". That part of the story I'm not going to explain. But I have learned that when I'm told to look at something specific like that even though I do not know what I'll find by now I absolutely knew I'd find something. That is just the way it works. And I know that I'll lose most readers at this point because what reason do you have to trust me. There are plenty of liars in the world. So I'll do something that I should not do and quote a few lines from my patriarchal blessing.

"one who has received deep understanding"
"you and Jesus are brothers and great friends"
"You and the Savior discussed your life many times before your birth"
"I bless you to increase your faith to become mighty and strong"
"You will not be alone; His angels will be all around you, and He will give you the very words"

Anyway, the date I knew to check was 7/27/1957. When I did I saw that Mercury, Mars and Venus were all in Leo together like they were on 9/23/2017. Also Jupiter was just entering Virgo. But wait a minute. From 7/23/1957 to 8/10/1957 the same was also true. So why 7/27/1957 and not one of the other dates? That is when I discovered that 7/27 started the sabbath and that it was also a new moon. Okay fine, I knew that I'd find something and I did but how many times did this alignment happen between 7/27/1957 and 9/23/2017? So I checked and it did not. So it is my testimony that the end times messenger, the man child, sent by the Lord was born 7/27/1957. And that on 7/27/2018 during the blood moon that I understand to be the sign of his soon cutting off and catching up that he entered his 62nd year.

The only reason that I am sharing this is because if it is legit it should be known. As for me part of me believes these things that happen in my life are legit but I constantly wrestle with the part of me that thinks everything is just coincidental. Sort of like spinning 32 red in a row on a roulette wheel. It happens once in a hundred years even though it seems impossible.

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thanks for this - I'm intrigued,
because I was born on one of the dates you mentioned.

[Sarah]

So how is the alignment on 7/27/57 different than the one on 9/23/2018?

[Alaris]

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thanks for this - I'm intrigued,
because one of the dates you mentioned is my day of birth.

Wow! You are two years old!? That explains so much!

JK JK

[Michael Sherwin]

I do believe it was legit. I have Stellarium loaded on my pc. I have done the work. I scanned back over 6000 years and forward over 1000 years. If Revelation 12:1&2 is really a sign in the heavens for us to see then only 9/23/2017 is a perfect match. I also looked at the other dates that people said there was a match and they were wrong imo because I saw nothing close. The closest was a little over 6000 years ago when Adam and Eve were in the garden. It was near identical except it was Saturn in Virgo instead of Jupiter. Saturn is said to represent Satan so that configuration actually makes sense opposed to the sign of the woman.

Nothing happened on 9/23/2017? Nothing was supposed to happen on 9/23/2017! There is one happening before the sign and one after. Before the sign the man child is born.

Isaiah 66:7 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.

After the sign as her travail ends is the birth of the rest of her children.

Isaiah 66:8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the earth be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.

The second birth is the resurrection/rapture and no not 1948 as is falsely taught. Though I want to focus on the man child here. The man child is not the Church as some Christians teach because it is the church birthed in Isa 66:8. The Church believes the man child is Jesus and of course it happened long ago. That is also not correct. Jesus anoints the man child with a great anointing.

Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

Revelation 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

Revelation 2:28 And I will give him the morning star.

The exact anointing the man child receives is this.

Psalm 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Psalm 2:8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

Psalm 2:9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

Psalm 2:10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.

One might say that the man child is mighty and strong, Isa 28:2 and he instructs, Mal 3:3. Those are clues. My main focus is on the man child in relation to the sign. That the man child is central to the sign should not be underrated. Maybe the sign can be a help to finding when the man child was born? I could call that a revelation I had but I will just call it an inspiration. So I decided to bring up Stellarium and start scanning back in time to see what I could find if anything that might be the sign of his birth. That is when a very rare event happened. I heard a barely audible voice say, "why are you doing it that way when you already know what date to check". That part of the story I'm not going to explain. But I have learned that when I'm told to look at something specific like that even though I do not know what I'll find by now I absolutely knew I'd find something. That is just the way it works. And I know that I'll lose most readers at this point because what reason do you have to trust me. There are plenty of liars in the world. So I'll do something that I should not do and quote a few lines from my patriarchal blessing.

"one who has received deep understanding"
"you and Jesus are brothers and great friends"
"You and the Savior discussed your life many times before your birth"
"I bless you to increase your faith to become mighty and strong"
"You will not be alone; His angels will be all around you, and He will give you the very words"

Anyway, the date I knew to check was 7/27/1957. When I did I saw that Mercury, Mars and Venus were all in Leo together like they were on 9/23/2017. Also Jupiter was just entering Virgo. But wait a minute. From 7/23/1957 to 8/10/1957 the same was also true. So why 7/27/1957 and not one of the other dates? That is when I discovered that 7/27 started the sabbath and that it was also a new moon. Okay fine, I knew that I'd find something and I did but how many times did this alignment happen between 7/27/1957 and 9/23/2017? So I checked and it did not. So it is my testimony that the end times messenger, the man child, sent by the Lord was born 7/27/1957. And that on 7/27/2018 during the blood moon that I understand to be the sign of his soon cutting off and catching up that he entered his 62nd year.

The only reason that I am sharing this is because if it is legit it should be known. As for me part of me believes these things that happen in my life are legit but I constantly wrestle with the part of me that thinks everything is just coincidental. Sort of like spinning 32 red in a row on a roulette wheel. It happens once in a hundred years even though it seems impossible.

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thanks for this - I'm intrigued,
because one of the dates you mentioned is my day of birth.

Now that is just too weird because one of those dates is also my birthdate.

[Michael Sherwin]

So how is the alignment on 7/27/57 different than the one on 9/23/2018?

On 7/27/1957 Jupiter representing the man child was just entering Virgo which represents the earth in this context.

Isaiah 66:8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the EARTH be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.

So that can be perceived as when the man child was born.

On 9/23/2017 Jupiter was fully in Virgo which is a picture of the man child already on earth. As Isaiah indicates the man child was born before the sign on 9/23/2017.

Isaiah 66:7 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.

So on 9/23/2017 Virgo was not pregnant with the man child as everyone said. Virgo was/is pregnant with the rest of her children.

[Alaris]

So how is the alignment on 7/27/57 different than the one on 9/23/2018?

On 7/27/1957 Jupiter representing the man child was just entering Virgo which represents the earth in this context.

Isaiah 66:8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the EARTH be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.

So that can be perceived as when the man child was born.

On 9/23/2017 Jupiter was fully in Virgo which is a picture of the man child already on earth. As Isaiah indicates the man child was born before the sign on 9/23/2017.

Isaiah 66:7 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.

So on 9/23/2017 Virgo was not pregnant with the man child as everyone said. Virgo was/is pregnant with the rest of her children.

So all these folks who said 9/23 was a unique sign in 7,000 years were wrong... and by only ~ 60 years? Before I start looking into the many unique elements of the sign again, do you mind providing some screenshots from your app since you've already got it all set up?

[Michael Sherwin]

So how is the alignment on 7/27/57 different than the one on 9/23/2018?

On 7/27/1957 Jupiter representing the man child was just entering Virgo which represents the earth in this context.

Isaiah 66:8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the EARTH be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.

So that can be perceived as when the man child was born.

On 9/23/2017 Jupiter was fully in Virgo which is a picture of the man child already on earth. As Isaiah indicates the man child was born before the sign on 9/23/2017.

Isaiah 66:7 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.

So on 9/23/2017 Virgo was not pregnant with the man child as everyone said. Virgo was/is pregnant with the rest of her children.

So all these folks who said 9/23 was a unique sign in 7,000 years were wrong... and by only ~ 60 years? Before I start looking into the many unique elements of the sign again, do you mind providing some screenshots from your app since you've already got it all set up?

Sure!

Edit: I'm not saying it is the same sign. I'm saying that it is a logical companion sign. Or it is just a huge coincidence that I knew to check that date and that is what I found. Of course you have to decide for your self.

[Alaris]

Hey thanks! That is pretty cool, and I almost want to go start looking at all the unique aspects of the 9/23 sign. Obviously Jupiter being inside Virgo for exactly 40 weeks was a big part of the sign. I'm not sure what the man child being in Virgo's hair means.

[Michael Sherwin]

If you are into studying the sign of the woman and possible companion signs then check out this possible sign.

Mercury the messenger by the king star regulus, Mal 3:1
Mars next to the Sun, feeding in the strength of the LORD Mic 5:4
Venus next to the tip star of taurus, power and the morning star Rev 2:26-28

Three prophecies about the man child displayed in the heavens on 7/27/2017. But it is probably just coincidental.

[Michael Sherwin]

Hey thanks! That is pretty cool, and I almost want to go start looking at all the unique aspects of the 9/23 sign. Obviously Jupiter being inside Virgo for exactly 40 weeks was a big part of the sign. I'm not sure what the man child being in Virgo's hair means.

I normally do not speculate this much but maybe it won't hurt.

If you look at all three signs you will see Jupiter at her shoulder on 7/27/1957. The moon at her shoulder on 7/27/2017. The Sun at her shoulder on 9/23/2017.

So:
7/27/1957 Jupiter at shoulder - the man child entering the earth
7/27/2017 Moon at shoulder - the man child's glory returning, the sign of his coming anointing
9/23/2017 Sun at shoulder - the sign of the soon coming of the LORD's approach.

1Corinthians 15:41 There is one glory of the sun (Jesus), and another glory of the moon (man child), and another glory of the stars (everyone else): for one star differeth from another star in glory.

[Sarah]

So how is the alignment on 7/27/57 different than the one on 9/23/2018?

On 7/27/1957 Jupiter representing the man child was just entering Virgo which represents the earth in this context.

Isaiah 66:8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the EARTH be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.

So that can be perceived as when the man child was born.

On 9/23/2017 Jupiter was fully in Virgo which is a picture of the man child already on earth. As Isaiah indicates the man child was born before the sign on 9/23/2017.

Isaiah 66:7 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.

So on 9/23/2017 Virgo was not pregnant with the man child as everyone said. Virgo was/is pregnant with the rest of her children.

Someone pointed out in a video I was watching that Jupiter actually entered the womb on 9/9/2017. So how is the 1957 sign different than what happened on 9/9/2017?

[Michael Sherwin]

So how is the alignment on 7/27/57 different than the one on 9/23/2018?

On 7/27/1957 Jupiter representing the man child was just entering Virgo which represents the earth in this context.

Isaiah 66:8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the EARTH be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.

So that can be perceived as when the man child was born.

On 9/23/2017 Jupiter was fully in Virgo which is a picture of the man child already on earth. As Isaiah indicates the man child was born before the sign on 9/23/2017.

Isaiah 66:7 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.

So on 9/23/2017 Virgo was not pregnant with the man child as everyone said. Virgo was/is pregnant with the rest of her children.

Someone pointed out in a video I was watching that Jupiter actually entered the womb on 9/9/2017. So how is the 1957 sign different than what happened on 9/9/2017?

People interpreting the sign interpreted it over a period of many months as though it was a movie. But the sign was not a movie. It was a snapshot, a picture in time. Not one day before the sign or one day after the sign is relevant. All those extra machinations were just the vain imaginations of man. The possible sign on 7/27/1957 is the same. It is not a movie. It is one moment in time. So they are not the same because 9/9/2017 was irrelevant.

[letsjet]

Joseph Smith said that the Man Child that the Woman gave birth to is the Political Kingdom of God. My personal inspiration told me a few years ago that the Church, who is represented by the Woman, is about to give birth to the Political Kingdom of God.

President Nelson in a tweet he made on Nov. 1, 2018 said that the process of the Restoration is not complete and that we will see great things take place in 2019 and 2020.

I believe that the establishment of the Political Kingdom of God will be very soon! I'm excited because my inspiration told me that I will have a stewardship of some kind in this new organization.

I think that the sign that took place in September of 2017 has reference to the establishment of the Political Kingdom of God. Remember that in the latter-days God's Kingdom will be in two parts. The Word of the Lord will come from Jerusalem and the Law of the Lord will come from Zion or the New Jerusalem.

[I AM]

So how is the alignment on 7/27/57 different than the one on 9/23/2018?

On 7/27/1957 Jupiter representing the man child was just entering Virgo which represents the earth in this context.

Isaiah 66:8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the EARTH be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.

So that can be perceived as when the man child was born.

On 9/23/2017 Jupiter was fully in Virgo which is a picture of the man child already on earth. As Isaiah indicates the man child was born before the sign on 9/23/2017.

Isaiah 66:7 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.

So on 9/23/2017 Virgo was not pregnant with the man child as everyone said. Virgo was/is pregnant with the rest of her children.

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I have 2 questions for you.

1. what religion are you really ?
2. and where do you come up with so may answers and explanations
where you try to make everything fit to what you want ?

and I'm NOT MOCKING you,
I just don't believe you
There IS a difference between mocking and not believing someone.
And I for one do not believe you.

besides touching on Joseph Smith and your patriarchal blessing ,
you haven't quoted any scriptures, except from the Bible.
And the scriptures you have quoted, in many of your comments,
and how you are using them, and what you are saying they mean,
just don't add up, and are definitely not what you say they are
and what they mean.

example
Isaiah 66: 7,8

I believe this is more what they scriptures mean.

http://www.isaiahexplained.com/66#commentary

7 Before she is in labor, she gives birth;
before her ordeal overtakes her, she delivers a son!

8 Who has heard the like,
or who has seen such things?
Can the earth labor but a day
and a nation be born at once?
For as soon as she was in labor,
Zion gave birth to her children.

9 Shall I bring to a crisis and not bring on birth?
says Jehovah.
When it is I who cause the birth,
shall I hinder it? says your God.

A condition of wickedness among Jehovah’s people marked by cultic practices (vv 3-4, 17; Isaiah 65:2-7) and persecution by ecclesiastical authorities (v 5; Isaiah 61:7) that utterly contravenes Jehovah’s law and word in the end gives rise to a Zion people. Out of an evil milieu, paradoxically exemplified by Jehovah’s people who are of the covenant, emerges a new covenant people among whom Jehovah establishes Zion (cf. Isaiah 54:1, 5-6). Not only does “the restoration of all things” that existed in ancient Israel materialize from these spiritual ashes but a state of blessedness far exceeding the former.

Called the “Birthpangs of the Messiah,” the idea of a woman in labor who gives birth to a deliverer recurs cyclically in Israel’s history—as when Israel’s tribes endured hard bondage in Egypt and Jehovah heard their cries and raised up Moses to deliver them (Exodus 1-3); or when the Philistines were about to wipe Israel off the map and Jehovah raised up King David to deliver them (2 Samuel 3:18); or when Jehovah’s people in Jerusalem were surrounded by an invading Assyrian army and King Hezekiah interceded with Jehovah on their behalf (Isaiah 37:15-20). So he raises up an end-time deliverer.

Before the Woman Zion goes into labor, however—that is, before Jehovah’s Day of Judgment but when many mourn in Zion because wickedness (v 5; Isaiah 61:3, 7)—she gives birth to a “son” or “male child” (zakar).
The Woman’s son or deliverer—Jehovah’s servant—thus experiences rebirth or ascent to a higher spiritual level (Isaiah 49:2, 8; 55:4-5) when Jehovah heals and empowers him (Isaiah 52:13; 57:18-19). That empowerment constitutes an inherent part of his ascent phase that follows his descent phase through suffering in which he is “marred beyond human likeness” (Isaiah 52:14).

Jehovah prospers his servant’s ministry (Isaiah 48:14-15; 53:10), and it bears good fruit (Isaiah 4:2; 11:1), when the servant empowers additional servants to labor with him in restoring Jehovah’s people and preparing them for Jehovah’s coming (Isaiah 52:7-10; 61:3-10). The nation that is born in a “day”—Jehovah’s Day of Judgment—thus comprises those of his people who are reborn at the time they are restored and ascend to higher spiritual categories (Isaiah 4:3; 52:1-2). With them, Jehovah covenants to be “your God” and they his people by an everlasting covenant (Isaiah 54:5-10; 55:3-5).

As soon as she was in labor, Zion gave birth to her children. The “children” or “sons” (baneha) to whom the Woman Zion gives birth comprise particularly that category of Jehovah’s people that is reborn or which ascends to the son/servant level. They return in the new exodus to Zion from among all nations: “Bring my sons from afar and my daughters from the end of the earth” (Isaiah 43:6); “Lift up your eyes and look about you! They have all assembled to come to you: your sons shall arrive from afar; your daughters shall return to your side” (Isaiah 60:4; cf. 11:10-12; 49:17-18, 22; 60:3).

Who has heard the like, or who has seen such things? Beginning with the mission of the servant, the restoration of Jehovah’s people causes quite a stir among the nations (Isaiah 52:10, 15; 62:1). Many oppose the work of restoring his people, repudiating the fact that it is of God: “Woe to those in conflict with their Maker, mere shards of earthenware pottery! As though the clay were to say to him who molds it, ‘What are you doing? Your hands have no skill for the work!’ Woe to those who say to their Father, ‘What have you begotten?’ or to the Woman, ‘What have you borne?’” (Isaiah 45:9-10).

Can the earth labor but a day? As at Israel’s birth as a nation when it came out of Egypt (Exodus 6:7), true deliverance entails victory over enemies (Exodus 14:27-28). When the entire earth goes into labor in Jehovah’s Day of Judgment, Babylon’s children die: “Bereavement and widowhood shall suddenly overtake you, both in one day” (Isaiah 47:9); “They shall be terrified, in throes of agony, seized with trembling like a woman in labor” (Isaiah 13:8); “‘I will rise up against them,’ says Jehovah of Hosts. ‘I will cut off Babylon’s name and remnant, its offspring and descendants’” (Isaiah 14:22).

[Michael Sherwin]

Joseph Smith said that the Man Child that the Woman gave birth to is the Political Kingdom of God. My personal inspiration told me a few years ago that the Church, who is represented by the Woman, is about to give birth to the Political Kingdom of God.

President Nelson in a tweet he made on Nov. 1, 2018 said that the process of the Restoration is not complete and that we will see great things take place in 2019 and 2020.

I believe that the establishment of the Political Kingdom of God will be very soon! I'm excited because my inspiration told me that I will have a stewardship of some kind in this new organization.

I think that the sign that took place in September of 2017 has reference to the establishment of the Political Kingdom of God. Remember that in the latter-days God's Kingdom will be in two parts. The Word of the Lord will come from Jerusalem and the Law of the Lord will come from Zion or the New Jerusalem.

Did Joseph Smith say thus saith the Lord when he said that? The Spirit is a little sluggish this morning. I know that the man child is not the political kingdom of God. No disrespect to your view. If that is what you want to hold onto then hold onto it. However, please consider the following. The man child receives such a great anointing from Jesus.

Revelation 2:26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end, to him will I give power over the nations:

Revelation 2:27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

Revelation 2:28 And I will give him the morning star.

This anointing is the greatest anointing one can receive. It is the very anointing that Jesus received from the Father that bestowed sonship upon Jesus.

Psalm 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Psalm 2:8 Ask of me, and I shall give thee the heathen for thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth for thy possession.

Psalm 2:9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

Psalm 2:10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.

We are talking direct membership to the Godhead here.

Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

Who is this overcomer? Is it a corporate group or is it an individual? Him or rather he is one of the seven Spirits of God.

Revelation 5:6 And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth.

All seven Spirits of God are incarnated at some point in time. They must, or even they cannot enter into the new creation when it arrives. The last of the Seven Spirits of God to incarnate is the man child. He is born on earth, performs his messenger mission, is caught up to God's throne, he cast the dragon out of heaven and returns with Jesus.

Malachi 3:18 Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked, between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not.

Revelation 11:15 And the seventh angel sounded; and there were great voices in heaven, saying, The kingdoms of this world are become the kingdoms of our Lord (Jesus), and of his Christ (anointed one); and he shall reign for ever and ever.

Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation (delivered, Dan 12:1), and strength (Mic 5:4), and the kingdom of our God (Rev 11:15), and the power (Rev 2:26-28) of his Christ (anointed one): for the accuser of our brethren is cast down (by MICHAEL's hand, Isa 28:2), which accused them before our God day and night.

Michael is the man child and the messengers of Mal 3 and Isa 28 and the one that stands of Mal 5:4.

Micah 5:3 Therefore will he give them up, until the time that she which travaileth hath brought forth: then the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel.

The "she" that travaileth is the sign on 9/23/2017. She brought forth the man child before the sign.

Isaiah 66:7 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.

The one that stands is the man child that she brought forth. And Michael stands in Dan 12:1. All indications is that the man child is a single individual not a corporate entity. HOWEVER he may be the head of a corporate entity and if you want to call that corporate entity the political kingdom of God then I see no problem with that.

[Alaris]

I receive a few pms / emails asking me how will we recognize the Davidic Servant when he arises. I often reply with a brief overview of Isaiah 28 - yet Isaiah 28 is all about how Ephraim does not recognize him. With prophets, seers, and priests among Ephraim in Isaiah, Ephraim certainly includes the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. But is this unrecognition (I made up that word just now) intentional? Rejection was part of Jesus' path after all. Does the lesser participant also require some rather large opposition to provide a trial worthy of the ascent?

My next few articles are going to address what I'm going to cover briefly here - I'm not doing this anywhere near justice, but I feel it's appropriate at this time. Isaiah 28 doesn't indicate the servant will arise by witnessing of himself publicly but by sharing knowledge only.

Consider for a moment, if you will, that when Jesus commanded us to search Isaiah diligently and quotes to the nephites various verses regarding the Davidic Servant - I am going to go out on a limb here and suggest that he's pleading with us to use Isaiah to unlock hidden messages within His own ministry. Isaiah is all about duality - dual prophecy, and dual participants in the Davidic Covenant. Could the title "son of man" be exactly that? The two participants in the Davidic Covenant who represent the Higher and Lesser Priesthoods? Suspend your disbelief, if you must, and consider Jesus is not witnessing of Himself here but of the one upon whom would ride the young colt He led into Jerusalem triumphantly.

Luke 17:20 ¶ And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

The Kingdom of God is both a place and within you - which is easily explained by the fact that the Davidic Servant is indeed the Holy Ghost. Only Israel has the Gift of the Holy Ghost. This also explains how the law is written in the hearts of Israel at the end (Jeremiah something iirc)

22 And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it.

Like, say, Joseph Smith's day.

23 And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them.
24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.

As in JST Matthew, Jesus refers to the coming of the Son of Man...not the second coming and not the return. This is the first coming of the lesser participant in the Davidic Covenant. Everyone will see this. There will be no question as to who the Davidic Servant is. Yet, only the meek will gather to him. Why? Well, Christianity - who is not Israel - will be expecting Jesus. They think the only other powerful end times character is the Anti-Christ. So they will not come. In fact they may fight him. Judah, will be expecting someone other than Jesus, but when the servant preaches Jesus, they will not come. Only a tenth of Israel, the remnant, will come. Shear-Jashub.


25 But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation.

Most interpret this to mean Jesus. Could this be a dual meaning? Avraham Gileadi's writings are all about both the greater and lesser participants offering proxy salvation by suffering for the people. Jesus suffers for all. The servant suffers for Israel. The gift of the Holy Ghost is an exclusive gift for Israel. What a coincidence. Looking at the Greek here, a plausible interpretation is "this generation" refers to the generation in which the Son of Man comes in the flesh.

https://biblehub.com/text/luke/17-25.htm



26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Again, reading verse 30 with spiritual blinders on, one may interpret verse 30 to mean Jesus Christ. Yet Jesus has been revealed. In addition to our own scriptures that indicate the Davidic Servant is hidden, there are many of apocryphal works that indicate the Davidic Servant is hidden from the foundation of the world to be revealed at the very end: 1 Enoch. Apocalypse of Abraham. Apocalypse of Thomas. 2 Esdras. Discourse on Abbaton. Probably more I can't think of or haven't discovered yet. This message is so overt in the Apocrypha it's almost as if the devil fought to obscure these works ... and God let him do it.

Here is a verse from Apocalypse of Thomas that reinforces this truth - that this deified angel will be revealed at the end.The verses leading up are the seven days of the end times comparable to the 7 trumps:

And when the seven days are passed by, on the eighth day at the sixth hour there shall be a sweet and tender voice in heaven from the east. Then shall that angel be revealed which hath power over the holy angels: and all the angels shall go forth with him, sitting upon chariots of the clouds of mine holy Father (so) rejoicing and running upon the air beneath the heaven to deliver the elect that have believed in me. And they shall rejoice that the destruction of this world hath come.

http://www.gnosis.org/library/apcthom.htm

That angel -- is in fact the same angel John worshiped, the Angel of the Lord of the Old Testament is the voice of Jehovah and the destroyer of Israel's enemies. Discourse on Abbaton is an incredible reinforcement to his role and his throne. I hope to have this article finished today.


31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.
32 Remember Lot’s wife.
33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.
34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

2 Esdras 13 is a recent, incredible find for me. Just after the Eagle dies (Ezra's Eagle prophecy) the servant arises and destroys armies single handedly ... just ...as....he....did.....for.....Israel for millenia. After he destroys (destroyer aka Abbadon) - the remnant goes to him. Then the ten tribes are gathered. If this is true, then the Davidic Servant is never revealed until he is empowered.

Just look at how many claimants there have been:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Mighty_and_Strong

There have been some who have approached me and some who have approached acquaintances. Perhaps I will discover a layer of knowledge that indicates the Davidic Servant is many people as some here believe. I think not however. I believe this is the devil trying to confuse by throwing as many false positives at us as possible to thwart the ...well, positive positive (wait, do two positives still stay positive?) Is this phenomenon like the apocrypha and like Job - were the devil's will and the Lord's come into unique alignment? Maybe so.

Think of it this way. John the Baptist was clearly the Elias of the coming of Jesus Christ. Now did he go out and start trying to prove to everyone he was the Elias? Or did he just share what knowledge was entrusted to him? I don't know - maybe he did share the cool events of his birthday. Maybe he told folks about the angels who appeared. I suspect that to him was revealed the nature and extent of the mission of Jesus Christ. What will the Davidic Servant reveal?

Have a read of 2 Esdras and notice how cleanly it fits with verses 31-37 of Luke 17 and the comparable verses in Matthew 24 / JST Matthew. The remnant approaches the Davidic Servant, and they likely didn't hesitate. Their lamps were full and their wicks trimmed.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/apo/es2013.htm

[Michael Sherwin]

So how is the alignment on 7/27/57 different than the one on 9/23/2018?

On 7/27/1957 Jupiter representing the man child was just entering Virgo which represents the earth in this context.

Isaiah 66:8 Who hath heard such a thing? who hath seen such things? Shall the EARTH be made to bring forth in one day? or shall a nation be born at once? for as soon as Zion travailed, she brought forth her children.

So that can be perceived as when the man child was born.

On 9/23/2017 Jupiter was fully in Virgo which is a picture of the man child already on earth. As Isaiah indicates the man child was born before the sign on 9/23/2017.

Isaiah 66:7 Before she travailed, she brought forth; before her pain came, she was delivered of a man child.

So on 9/23/2017 Virgo was not pregnant with the man child as everyone said. Virgo was/is pregnant with the rest of her children.

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I have 2 questions for you.

1. what religion are you really ?
2. and where do you come up with so may answers and explanations
where you try to make everything fit to what you want ?

and I'm NOT MOCKING you,
I just don't believe you
There IS a difference between mocking and not believing someone.
And I for one do not believe you.

besides touching on Joseph Smith and your patriarchal blessing ,
you haven't quoted any scriptures, except from the Bible.
And the scriptures you have quoted, in many of your comments,
and how you are using them, and what you are saying they mean,
just don't add up, and are definitely not what you say they are
and what they mean.

example
Isaiah 66: 7,8

I believe this is more what they scriptures mean.

http://www.isaiahexplained.com/66#commentary

7 Before she is in labor, she gives birth;
before her ordeal overtakes her, she delivers a son!

8 Who has heard the like,
or who has seen such things?
Can the earth labor but a day
and a nation be born at once?
For as soon as she was in labor,
Zion gave birth to her children.

9 Shall I bring to a crisis and not bring on birth?
says Jehovah.
When it is I who cause the birth,
shall I hinder it? says your God.

A condition of wickedness among Jehovah’s people marked by cultic practices (vv 3-4, 17; Isaiah 65:2-7) and persecution by ecclesiastical authorities (v 5; Isaiah 61:7) that utterly contravenes Jehovah’s law and word in the end gives rise to a Zion people. Out of an evil milieu, paradoxically exemplified by Jehovah’s people who are of the covenant, emerges a new covenant people among whom Jehovah establishes Zion (cf. Isaiah 54:1, 5-6). Not only does “the restoration of all things” that existed in ancient Israel materialize from these spiritual ashes but a state of blessedness far exceeding the former.

Called the “Birthpangs of the Messiah,” the idea of a woman in labor who gives birth to a deliverer recurs cyclically in Israel’s history—as when Israel’s tribes endured hard bondage in Egypt and Jehovah heard their cries and raised up Moses to deliver them (Exodus 1-3); or when the Philistines were about to wipe Israel off the map and Jehovah raised up King David to deliver them (2 Samuel 3:18); or when Jehovah’s people in Jerusalem were surrounded by an invading Assyrian army and King Hezekiah interceded with Jehovah on their behalf (Isaiah 37:15-20). So he raises up an end-time deliverer.

Before the Woman Zion goes into labor, however—that is, before Jehovah’s Day of Judgment but when many mourn in Zion because wickedness (v 5; Isaiah 61:3, 7)—she gives birth to a “son” or “male child” (zakar).
The Woman’s son or deliverer—Jehovah’s servant—thus experiences rebirth or ascent to a higher spiritual level (Isaiah 49:2, 8; 55:4-5) when Jehovah heals and empowers him (Isaiah 52:13; 57:18-19). That empowerment constitutes an inherent part of his ascent phase that follows his descent phase through suffering in which he is “marred beyond human likeness” (Isaiah 52:14).

Jehovah prospers his servant’s ministry (Isaiah 48:14-15; 53:10), and it bears good fruit (Isaiah 4:2; 11:1), when the servant empowers additional servants to labor with him in restoring Jehovah’s people and preparing them for Jehovah’s coming (Isaiah 52:7-10; 61:3-10). The nation that is born in a “day”—Jehovah’s Day of Judgment—thus comprises those of his people who are reborn at the time they are restored and ascend to higher spiritual categories (Isaiah 4:3; 52:1-2). With them, Jehovah covenants to be “your God” and they his people by an everlasting covenant (Isaiah 54:5-10; 55:3-5).

As soon as she was in labor, Zion gave birth to her children. The “children” or “sons” (baneha) to whom the Woman Zion gives birth comprise particularly that category of Jehovah’s people that is reborn or which ascends to the son/servant level. They return in the new exodus to Zion from among all nations: “Bring my sons from afar and my daughters from the end of the earth” (Isaiah 43:6); “Lift up your eyes and look about you! They have all assembled to come to you: your sons shall arrive from afar; your daughters shall return to your side” (Isaiah 60:4; cf. 11:10-12; 49:17-18, 22; 60:3).

Who has heard the like, or who has seen such things? Beginning with the mission of the servant, the restoration of Jehovah’s people causes quite a stir among the nations (Isaiah 52:10, 15; 62:1). Many oppose the work of restoring his people, repudiating the fact that it is of God: “Woe to those in conflict with their Maker, mere shards of earthenware pottery! As though the clay were to say to him who molds it, ‘What are you doing? Your hands have no skill for the work!’ Woe to those who say to their Father, ‘What have you begotten?’ or to the Woman, ‘What have you borne?’” (Isaiah 45:9-10).

Can the earth labor but a day? As at Israel’s birth as a nation when it came out of Egypt (Exodus 6:7), true deliverance entails victory over enemies (Exodus 14:27-28). When the entire earth goes into labor in Jehovah’s Day of Judgment, Babylon’s children die: “Bereavement and widowhood shall suddenly overtake you, both in one day” (Isaiah 47:9); “They shall be terrified, in throes of agony, seized with trembling like a woman in labor” (Isaiah 13:8); “‘I will rise up against them,’ says Jehovah of Hosts. ‘I will cut off Babylon’s name and remnant, its offspring and descendants’” (Isaiah 14:22).

A true story. After becoming a member of the Church in late 2012 the missionaries took me to visit with someone they called a seer that lived in Ogden. The missionaries believed this person was a seer because she was extremely accurate when she did her thing for them. She was expecting us. When we got there she took one look at me and asked me to leave. I said I came all this way please at least tell me why. She said I can't read you. I said why can't you read me. She said since she was a little girl she saw things about everyone she has ever met and while everyone is different in some way, they are all human. Then she said but you are different than anyone I have ever seen. I don't know how to read you. I don't even think you are human. And it scares me. I would like you to leave now.

My story which I know you read says I'm the man child. There is an 8000+ ton sign from God DDG-57 the USS Mitscher that is the perfect sign for the man child and his mission. There is the perfect sign in the heavens on my birth date for the birth date of the man child. My patriarchal blessing says that I was led here by God. That I have received deep understanding. That I should be determined to continue the Savior's miracles. That I lived with the Father in the Father's house. That Jesus and I are great friends. That the Savior and I talked about my life many times. That the Savior's angels are all around me and will protect me and Jesus will give me the very words. That I was to grow in faith to become mighty and strong. That there were things only I could do because I am unique. My patriarchal blessing even virtually says that I am the man child. When I was in the Air Force my parents moved. Their new neighbor told my mom she had a vision of me. My mom's neighbor never met me or even knew of me. My mom got a picture of me to show the neighbor. The neighbor confirmed that the picture of me matched the person that she saw in her vision. The neighbor told my mom that I'd do something very important for God at the time of the end.

So if I am who my story says I am then to answer your question what religion am I really. Religion is faith for that which is hoped for but not seen. As the man child I have the truth in me. Religion therefore is non sequitur. Afterall I'm not human remember, lol. And I don't make everything fit. It just does because that is what the Bible says. Your mumbo jumbo on the other hand is so convoluted, complicated and just plain unintelligible in places that it is a major undertaking to unravel it all. One wrong precept anywhere in your teaching makes it false. Show me where a single precept of mine is wrong by just using the words of the Bible. Read what I write. It is 100% logical and the scriptures I give are self corroborating. Look at this example.

Isaiah 28:2 Behold, the Lord hath a mighty and strong one, which as a tempest of hail and a destroying storm, as a flood of mighty waters overflowing, shall cast down to the earth with the hand.

Tell me who is it that will cast down with his hand? I'll save some time and tell you.

Revelation 12:9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Michael does that. But there is a second witness in the same passage.

"as a flood of mighty waters overflowing" which is also a link to Revelation 12. And there is a third witness.

Isaiah 28:17 Judgment also will I lay to the line, and righteousness to the plummet: and the hail shall sweep away the refuge of lies, and the waters shall overflow the hiding place.

Salvation is at the time of judgement.

Revelation 12:10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, ...

" and where do you come up with so may answers and explanations
where you try to make everything fit to what you want ?"

You noticed the effect and you assume I'm doing it. Your assumption is I decided what I want and then cherry picked the scriptures. I did not. I followed the links and the Bible showed me.

Isaiah 28:10 For precept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little:

But all those that spew the vomit of false teaching cannot do that.

Isaiah 28:8 For all tables are full of vomit and filthiness, so that there is no place clean.

Isaiah 28:13 But the word of the LORD was unto them precept upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little; that they might go, and fall backward, and be broken, and snared, and taken.

[Michael Sherwin]

I receive a few pms / emails asking me how will we recognize the Davidic Servant when he arises. I often reply with a brief overview of Isaiah 28 - yet Isaiah 28 is all about how Ephraim does not recognize him. With prophets, seers, and priests among Ephraim in Isaiah, Ephraim certainly includes the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. But is this unrecognition (I made up that word just now) intentional? Rejection was part of Jesus' path after all. Does the lesser participant also require some rather large opposition to provide a trial worthy of the ascent?

My next few articles are going to address what I'm going to cover briefly here - I'm not doing this anywhere near justice, but I feel it's appropriate at this time. Isaiah 28 doesn't indicate the servant will arise by witnessing of himself publicly but by sharing knowledge only.

Consider for a moment, if you will, that when Jesus commanded us to search Isaiah diligently and quotes to the nephites various verses regarding the Davidic Servant - I am going to go out on a limb here and suggest that he's pleading with us to use Isaiah to unlock hidden messages within His own ministry. Isaiah is all about duality - dual prophecy, and dual participants in the Davidic Covenant. Could the title "son of man" be exactly that? The two participants in the Davidic Covenant who represent the Higher and Lesser Priesthoods? Suspend your disbelief, if you must, and consider Jesus is not witnessing of Himself here but of the one upon whom would ride the young colt He led into Jerusalem triumphantly.

Luke 17:20 ¶ And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

The Kingdom of God is both a place and within you - which is easily explained by the fact that the Davidic Servant is indeed the Holy Ghost. Only Israel has the Gift of the Holy Ghost. This also explains how the law is written in the hearts of Israel at the end (Jeremiah something iirc)

22 And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it.

Like, say, Joseph Smith's day.

23 And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them.
24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.

As in JST Matthew, Jesus refers to the coming of the Son of Man...not the second coming and not the return. This is the first coming of the lesser participant in the Davidic Covenant. Everyone will see this. There will be no question as to who the Davidic Servant is. Yet, only the meek will gather to him. Why? Well, Christianity - who is not Israel - will be expecting Jesus. They think the only other powerful end times character is the Anti-Christ. So they will not come. In fact they may fight him. Judah, will be expecting someone other than Jesus, but when the servant preaches Jesus, they will not come. Only a tenth of Israel, the remnant, will come. Shear-Jashub.


25 But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation.

Most interpret this to mean Jesus. Could this be a dual meaning? Avraham Gileadi's writings are all about both the greater and lesser participants offering proxy salvation by suffering for the people. Jesus suffers for all. The servant suffers for Israel. The gift of the Holy Ghost is an exclusive gift for Israel. What a coincidence. Looking at the Greek here, a plausible interpretation is "this generation" refers to the generation in which the Son of Man comes in the flesh.

https://biblehub.com/text/luke/17-25.htm



26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Again, reading verse 30 with spiritual blinders on, one may interpret verse 30 to mean Jesus Christ. Yet Jesus has been revealed. In addition to our own scriptures that indicate the Davidic Servant is hidden, there are many of apocryphal works that indicate the Davidic Servant is hidden from the foundation of the world to be revealed at the very end: 1 Enoch. Apocalypse of Abraham. Apocalypse of Thomas. 2 Esdras. Discourse on Abbaton. Probably more I can't think of or haven't discovered yet. This message is so overt in the Apocrypha it's almost as if the devil fought to obscure these works ... and God let him do it.

Here is a verse from Apocalypse of Thomas that reinforces this truth - that this deified angel will be revealed at the end.The verses leading up are the seven days of the end times comparable to the 7 trumps:

And when the seven days are passed by, on the eighth day at the sixth hour there shall be a sweet and tender voice in heaven from the east. Then shall that angel be revealed which hath power over the holy angels: and all the angels shall go forth with him, sitting upon chariots of the clouds of mine holy Father (so) rejoicing and running upon the air beneath the heaven to deliver the elect that have believed in me. And they shall rejoice that the destruction of this world hath come.

http://www.gnosis.org/library/apcthom.htm

That angel -- is in fact the same angel John worshiped, the Angel of the Lord of the Old Testament is the voice of Jehovah and the destroyer of Israel's enemies. Discourse on Abbaton is an incredible reinforcement to his role and his throne. I hope to have this article finished today.


31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.
32 Remember Lot’s wife.
33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.
34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

2 Esdras 13 is a recent, incredible find for me. Just after the Eagle dies (Ezra's Eagle prophecy) the servant arises and destroys armies single handedly ... just ...as....he....did.....for.....Israel for millenia. After he destroys (destroyer aka Abbadon) - the remnant goes to him. Then the ten tribes are gathered. If this is true, then the Davidic Servant is never revealed until he is empowered.

Just look at how many claimants there have been:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Mighty_and_Strong

There have been some who have approached me and some who have approached acquaintances. Perhaps I will discover a layer of knowledge that indicates the Davidic Servant is many people as some here believe. I think not however. I believe this is the devil trying to confuse by throwing as many false positives at us as possible to thwart the ...well, positive positive (wait, do two positives still stay positive?) Is this phenomenon like the apocrypha and like Job - were the devil's will and the Lord's come into unique alignment? Maybe so.

Think of it this way. John the Baptist was clearly the Elias of the coming of Jesus Christ. Now did he go out and start trying to prove to everyone he was the Elias? Or did he just share what knowledge was entrusted to him? I don't know - maybe he did share the cool events of his birthday. Maybe he told folks about the angels who appeared. I suspect that to him was revealed the nature and extent of the mission of Jesus Christ. What will the Davidic Servant reveal?

Have a read of 2 Esdras and notice how cleanly it fits with verses 31-37 of Luke 17 and the comparable verses in Matthew 24 / JST Matthew. The remnant approaches the Davidic Servant, and they likely didn't hesitate. Their lamps were full and their wicks trimmed.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/apo/es2013.htm

I did not see this right away. It is such a cumbersome interface. Anyway I agree with just about everything you have said. You understand very deeply and accurately but maybe not absolutely perfect. Sorry I had to through that last part in. Anyway I have also wondered if my story comes from the wrong place. But I have to ask is the sign of the USS Mitscher (if it is a sign) within the adversaries power? Maybe. But certainly the alignment on my birth date is beyond the power of the adversary. Or is that a once in a million coincidence? Yet if it is only a coincidence then the USS Mitscher is also only a coincidence. And all the other parts of my story that I have not shared are only coincidences. And what it says in my patriarchal blessing is just the vain imagination of an old man. I sat down one day and gave conservative odds to every data point and figured out the probability that my story was just all coincidences. And it came out to that I had a better chance of winning the mega millions lottery like a dozen times in a row before my story would just all be coincidence. I often wish I did not have my story. But I'm not going to apologise that I have it. Thanks for your honest and balanced approach!

[Alaris]

I receive a few pms / emails asking me how will we recognize the Davidic Servant when he arises. I often reply with a brief overview of Isaiah 28 - yet Isaiah 28 is all about how Ephraim does not recognize him. With prophets, seers, and priests among Ephraim in Isaiah, Ephraim certainly includes the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. But is this unrecognition (I made up that word just now) intentional? Rejection was part of Jesus' path after all. Does the lesser participant also require some rather large opposition to provide a trial worthy of the ascent?

My next few articles are going to address what I'm going to cover briefly here - I'm not doing this anywhere near justice, but I feel it's appropriate at this time. Isaiah 28 doesn't indicate the servant will arise by witnessing of himself publicly but by sharing knowledge only.

Consider for a moment, if you will, that when Jesus commanded us to search Isaiah diligently and quotes to the nephites various verses regarding the Davidic Servant - I am going to go out on a limb here and suggest that he's pleading with us to use Isaiah to unlock hidden messages within His own ministry. Isaiah is all about duality - dual prophecy, and dual participants in the Davidic Covenant. Could the title "son of man" be exactly that? The two participants in the Davidic Covenant who represent the Higher and Lesser Priesthoods? Suspend your disbelief, if you must, and consider Jesus is not witnessing of Himself here but of the one upon whom would ride the young colt He led into Jerusalem triumphantly.

Luke 17:20 ¶ And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

The Kingdom of God is both a place and within you - which is easily explained by the fact that the Davidic Servant is indeed the Holy Ghost. Only Israel has the Gift of the Holy Ghost. This also explains how the law is written in the hearts of Israel at the end (Jeremiah something iirc)

22 And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it.

Like, say, Joseph Smith's day.

23 And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them.
24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.

As in JST Matthew, Jesus refers to the coming of the Son of Man...not the second coming and not the return. This is the first coming of the lesser participant in the Davidic Covenant. Everyone will see this. There will be no question as to who the Davidic Servant is. Yet, only the meek will gather to him. Why? Well, Christianity - who is not Israel - will be expecting Jesus. They think the only other powerful end times character is the Anti-Christ. So they will not come. In fact they may fight him. Judah, will be expecting someone other than Jesus, but when the servant preaches Jesus, they will not come. Only a tenth of Israel, the remnant, will come. Shear-Jashub.


25 But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation.

Most interpret this to mean Jesus. Could this be a dual meaning? Avraham Gileadi's writings are all about both the greater and lesser participants offering proxy salvation by suffering for the people. Jesus suffers for all. The servant suffers for Israel. The gift of the Holy Ghost is an exclusive gift for Israel. What a coincidence. Looking at the Greek here, a plausible interpretation is "this generation" refers to the generation in which the Son of Man comes in the flesh.

https://biblehub.com/text/luke/17-25.htm



26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Again, reading verse 30 with spiritual blinders on, one may interpret verse 30 to mean Jesus Christ. Yet Jesus has been revealed. In addition to our own scriptures that indicate the Davidic Servant is hidden, there are many of apocryphal works that indicate the Davidic Servant is hidden from the foundation of the world to be revealed at the very end: 1 Enoch. Apocalypse of Abraham. Apocalypse of Thomas. 2 Esdras. Discourse on Abbaton. Probably more I can't think of or haven't discovered yet. This message is so overt in the Apocrypha it's almost as if the devil fought to obscure these works ... and God let him do it.

Here is a verse from Apocalypse of Thomas that reinforces this truth - that this deified angel will be revealed at the end.The verses leading up are the seven days of the end times comparable to the 7 trumps:

And when the seven days are passed by, on the eighth day at the sixth hour there shall be a sweet and tender voice in heaven from the east. Then shall that angel be revealed which hath power over the holy angels: and all the angels shall go forth with him, sitting upon chariots of the clouds of mine holy Father (so) rejoicing and running upon the air beneath the heaven to deliver the elect that have believed in me. And they shall rejoice that the destruction of this world hath come.

http://www.gnosis.org/library/apcthom.htm

That angel -- is in fact the same angel John worshiped, the Angel of the Lord of the Old Testament is the voice of Jehovah and the destroyer of Israel's enemies. Discourse on Abbaton is an incredible reinforcement to his role and his throne. I hope to have this article finished today.


31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.
32 Remember Lot’s wife.
33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.
34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

2 Esdras 13 is a recent, incredible find for me. Just after the Eagle dies (Ezra's Eagle prophecy) the servant arises and destroys armies single handedly ... just ...as....he....did.....for.....Israel for millenia. After he destroys (destroyer aka Abbadon) - the remnant goes to him. Then the ten tribes are gathered. If this is true, then the Davidic Servant is never revealed until he is empowered.

Just look at how many claimants there have been:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Mighty_and_Strong

There have been some who have approached me and some who have approached acquaintances. Perhaps I will discover a layer of knowledge that indicates the Davidic Servant is many people as some here believe. I think not however. I believe this is the devil trying to confuse by throwing as many false positives at us as possible to thwart the ...well, positive positive (wait, do two positives still stay positive?) Is this phenomenon like the apocrypha and like Job - were the devil's will and the Lord's come into unique alignment? Maybe so.

Think of it this way. John the Baptist was clearly the Elias of the coming of Jesus Christ. Now did he go out and start trying to prove to everyone he was the Elias? Or did he just share what knowledge was entrusted to him? I don't know - maybe he did share the cool events of his birthday. Maybe he told folks about the angels who appeared. I suspect that to him was revealed the nature and extent of the mission of Jesus Christ. What will the Davidic Servant reveal?

Have a read of 2 Esdras and notice how cleanly it fits with verses 31-37 of Luke 17 and the comparable verses in Matthew 24 / JST Matthew. The remnant approaches the Davidic Servant, and they likely didn't hesitate. Their lamps were full and their wicks trimmed.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/apo/es2013.htm

I did not see this right away. It is such a cumbersome interface. Anyway I agree with just about everything you have said. You understand very deeply and accurately but maybe not absolutely perfect. Sorry I had to through that last part in. Anyway I have also wondered if my story comes from the wrong place. But I have to ask is the sign of the USS Mitscher (if it is a sign) within the adversaries power? Maybe. But certainly the alignment on my birth date is beyond the power of the adversary. Or is that a once in a million coincidence? Yet if it is only a coincidence then the USS Mitscher is also only a coincidence. And all the other parts of my story that I have not shared are only coincidences. And what it says in my patriarchal blessing is just the vain imagination of an old man. I sat down one day and gave conservative odds to every data point and figured out the probability that my story was just all coincidences. And it came out to that I had a better chance of winning the mega millions lottery like a dozen times in a row before my story would just all be coincidence. I often wish I did not have my story. But I'm not going to apologise that I have it. Thanks for your honest and balanced approach!

Michael - your response could not have underscored better both my concerns and my question. Note - concerns and questions do not equal pride or mocking. They are just that.

Concern # 1: You've deemed my post as "not absolutely perfect" - so are you claiming to have an absolutely perfect understanding? See what I mean? Just read through Isaiah 40 - 52 and you'll see clearly this servant is not a man of perfection in any regard. I'm guessing he won't be condescending either, but like I said - imperfect.

Concern # 2: You're not the first person to claim to be the servant and you likely won't be the last. Though to me this is proof there is a servant because the devil doesn't oppose opposition - he opposes truth. The Davidic Servant is somebody and the more claimants he can find the better disbelief we'll attribute to the boy who cries wolf where there is indeed a wolf! However, is this how he shall arise? By proving to folks that his birthday anomalies are the greatest?

Question: The answer to this question will likely tell everything - How did you come to the conclusion you are the Davidic Servant?

[Michael Sherwin]

I receive a few pms / emails asking me how will we recognize the Davidic Servant when he arises. I often reply with a brief overview of Isaiah 28 - yet Isaiah 28 is all about how Ephraim does not recognize him. With prophets, seers, and priests among Ephraim in Isaiah, Ephraim certainly includes the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. But is this unrecognition (I made up that word just now) intentional? Rejection was part of Jesus' path after all. Does the lesser participant also require some rather large opposition to provide a trial worthy of the ascent?

My next few articles are going to address what I'm going to cover briefly here - I'm not doing this anywhere near justice, but I feel it's appropriate at this time. Isaiah 28 doesn't indicate the servant will arise by witnessing of himself publicly but by sharing knowledge only.

Consider for a moment, if you will, that when Jesus commanded us to search Isaiah diligently and quotes to the nephites various verses regarding the Davidic Servant - I am going to go out on a limb here and suggest that he's pleading with us to use Isaiah to unlock hidden messages within His own ministry. Isaiah is all about duality - dual prophecy, and dual participants in the Davidic Covenant. Could the title "son of man" be exactly that? The two participants in the Davidic Covenant who represent the Higher and Lesser Priesthoods? Suspend your disbelief, if you must, and consider Jesus is not witnessing of Himself here but of the one upon whom would ride the young colt He led into Jerusalem triumphantly.

Luke 17:20 ¶ And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

The Kingdom of God is both a place and within you - which is easily explained by the fact that the Davidic Servant is indeed the Holy Ghost. Only Israel has the Gift of the Holy Ghost. This also explains how the law is written in the hearts of Israel at the end (Jeremiah something iirc)

22 And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it.

Like, say, Joseph Smith's day.

23 And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them.
24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.

As in JST Matthew, Jesus refers to the coming of the Son of Man...not the second coming and not the return. This is the first coming of the lesser participant in the Davidic Covenant. Everyone will see this. There will be no question as to who the Davidic Servant is. Yet, only the meek will gather to him. Why? Well, Christianity - who is not Israel - will be expecting Jesus. They think the only other powerful end times character is the Anti-Christ. So they will not come. In fact they may fight him. Judah, will be expecting someone other than Jesus, but when the servant preaches Jesus, they will not come. Only a tenth of Israel, the remnant, will come. Shear-Jashub.


25 But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation.

Most interpret this to mean Jesus. Could this be a dual meaning? Avraham Gileadi's writings are all about both the greater and lesser participants offering proxy salvation by suffering for the people. Jesus suffers for all. The servant suffers for Israel. The gift of the Holy Ghost is an exclusive gift for Israel. What a coincidence. Looking at the Greek here, a plausible interpretation is "this generation" refers to the generation in which the Son of Man comes in the flesh.

https://biblehub.com/text/luke/17-25.htm



26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Again, reading verse 30 with spiritual blinders on, one may interpret verse 30 to mean Jesus Christ. Yet Jesus has been revealed. In addition to our own scriptures that indicate the Davidic Servant is hidden, there are many of apocryphal works that indicate the Davidic Servant is hidden from the foundation of the world to be revealed at the very end: 1 Enoch. Apocalypse of Abraham. Apocalypse of Thomas. 2 Esdras. Discourse on Abbaton. Probably more I can't think of or haven't discovered yet. This message is so overt in the Apocrypha it's almost as if the devil fought to obscure these works ... and God let him do it.

Here is a verse from Apocalypse of Thomas that reinforces this truth - that this deified angel will be revealed at the end.The verses leading up are the seven days of the end times comparable to the 7 trumps:

And when the seven days are passed by, on the eighth day at the sixth hour there shall be a sweet and tender voice in heaven from the east. Then shall that angel be revealed which hath power over the holy angels: and all the angels shall go forth with him, sitting upon chariots of the clouds of mine holy Father (so) rejoicing and running upon the air beneath the heaven to deliver the elect that have believed in me. And they shall rejoice that the destruction of this world hath come.

http://www.gnosis.org/library/apcthom.htm

That angel -- is in fact the same angel John worshiped, the Angel of the Lord of the Old Testament is the voice of Jehovah and the destroyer of Israel's enemies. Discourse on Abbaton is an incredible reinforcement to his role and his throne. I hope to have this article finished today.


31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.
32 Remember Lot’s wife.
33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.
34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

2 Esdras 13 is a recent, incredible find for me. Just after the Eagle dies (Ezra's Eagle prophecy) the servant arises and destroys armies single handedly ... just ...as....he....did.....for.....Israel for millenia. After he destroys (destroyer aka Abbadon) - the remnant goes to him. Then the ten tribes are gathered. If this is true, then the Davidic Servant is never revealed until he is empowered.

Just look at how many claimants there have been:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Mighty_and_Strong

There have been some who have approached me and some who have approached acquaintances. Perhaps I will discover a layer of knowledge that indicates the Davidic Servant is many people as some here believe. I think not however. I believe this is the devil trying to confuse by throwing as many false positives at us as possible to thwart the ...well, positive positive (wait, do two positives still stay positive?) Is this phenomenon like the apocrypha and like Job - were the devil's will and the Lord's come into unique alignment? Maybe so.

Think of it this way. John the Baptist was clearly the Elias of the coming of Jesus Christ. Now did he go out and start trying to prove to everyone he was the Elias? Or did he just share what knowledge was entrusted to him? I don't know - maybe he did share the cool events of his birthday. Maybe he told folks about the angels who appeared. I suspect that to him was revealed the nature and extent of the mission of Jesus Christ. What will the Davidic Servant reveal?

Have a read of 2 Esdras and notice how cleanly it fits with verses 31-37 of Luke 17 and the comparable verses in Matthew 24 / JST Matthew. The remnant approaches the Davidic Servant, and they likely didn't hesitate. Their lamps were full and their wicks trimmed.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/apo/es2013.htm

I did not see this right away. It is such a cumbersome interface. Anyway I agree with just about everything you have said. You understand very deeply and accurately but maybe not absolutely perfect. Sorry I had to through that last part in. Anyway I have also wondered if my story comes from the wrong place. But I have to ask is the sign of the USS Mitscher (if it is a sign) within the adversaries power? Maybe. But certainly the alignment on my birth date is beyond the power of the adversary. Or is that a once in a million coincidence? Yet if it is only a coincidence then the USS Mitscher is also only a coincidence. And all the other parts of my story that I have not shared are only coincidences. And what it says in my patriarchal blessing is just the vain imagination of an old man. I sat down one day and gave conservative odds to every data point and figured out the probability that my story was just all coincidences. And it came out to that I had a better chance of winning the mega millions lottery like a dozen times in a row before my story would just all be coincidence. I often wish I did not have my story. But I'm not going to apologise that I have it. Thanks for your honest and balanced approach!

Michael - your response could not have underscored better both my concerns and my question. Note - concerns and questions do not equal pride or mocking. They are just that.

Concern # 1: You've deemed my post as "not absolutely perfect" - so are you claiming to have an absolutely perfect understanding? See what I mean? Just read through Isaiah 40 - 52 and you'll see clearly this servant is not a man of perfection in any regard. I'm guessing he won't be condescending either, but like I said - imperfect.

Concern # 2: You're not the first person to claim to be the servant and you likely won't be the last. Though to me this is proof there is a servant because the devil doesn't oppose opposition - he opposes truth. The Davidic Servant is somebody and the more claimants he can find the better disbelief we'll attribute to the boy who cries wolf where there is indeed a wolf! However, is this how he shall arise? By proving to folks that his birthday anomalies are the greatest?

Question: The answer to this question will likely tell everything - How did you come to the conclusion you are the Davidic Servant?

It was gradual starting in the year 2000 when my story went into high gear. But I denied it until something absolutely impossible happened in September of 2014 that made me look up and declare my belief. You can read (if you have not already) my thread in "Introduce Yourself". I would appreciate if we picked up this conversation there. My comments elsewhere were not meant as a coming out but only to share what I believe the Lord has revealed to me. You're right I am not perfect and you have shown that but you used it as evidence I am not him yet the Bible as you say indicates he is not perfect so your assertion is illogical in that respect. And I did wait almost 20 years before I came out. And I only came out because I have been all alone in this and loneliness of not being able to share something like this is very weighing on one after so many years. So maybe you could cut me a little slack on that. Please read my story in "Introduce Yourself" and let's continue from there!

[ori]

I receive a few pms / emails asking me how will we recognize the Davidic Servant when he arises. I often reply with a brief overview of Isaiah 28 - yet Isaiah 28 is all about how Ephraim does not recognize him. With prophets, seers, and priests among Ephraim in Isaiah, Ephraim certainly includes the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. But is this unrecognition (I made up that word just now) intentional? Rejection was part of Jesus' path after all. Does the lesser participant also require some rather large opposition to provide a trial worthy of the ascent?

My next few articles are going to address what I'm going to cover briefly here - I'm not doing this anywhere near justice, but I feel it's appropriate at this time. Isaiah 28 doesn't indicate the servant will arise by witnessing of himself publicly but by sharing knowledge only.

Consider for a moment, if you will, that when Jesus commanded us to search Isaiah diligently and quotes to the nephites various verses regarding the Davidic Servant - I am going to go out on a limb here and suggest that he's pleading with us to use Isaiah to unlock hidden messages within His own ministry. Isaiah is all about duality - dual prophecy, and dual participants in the Davidic Covenant. Could the title "son of man" be exactly that? The two participants in the Davidic Covenant who represent the Higher and Lesser Priesthoods? Suspend your disbelief, if you must, and consider Jesus is not witnessing of Himself here but of the one upon whom would ride the young colt He led into Jerusalem triumphantly.

Luke 17:20 ¶ And when he was demanded of the Pharisees, when the kingdom of God should come, he answered them and said, The kingdom of God cometh not with observation:
21 Neither shall they say, Lo here! or, lo there! for, behold, the kingdom of God is within you.

The Kingdom of God is both a place and within you - which is easily explained by the fact that the Davidic Servant is indeed the Holy Ghost. Only Israel has the Gift of the Holy Ghost. This also explains how the law is written in the hearts of Israel at the end (Jeremiah something iirc)

22 And he said unto the disciples, The days will come, when ye shall desire to see one of the days of the Son of man, and ye shall not see it.

Like, say, Joseph Smith's day.

23 And they shall say to you, See here; or, see there: go not after them, nor follow them.
24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.

As in JST Matthew, Jesus refers to the coming of the Son of Man...not the second coming and not the return. This is the first coming of the lesser participant in the Davidic Covenant. Everyone will see this. There will be no question as to who the Davidic Servant is. Yet, only the meek will gather to him. Why? Well, Christianity - who is not Israel - will be expecting Jesus. They think the only other powerful end times character is the Anti-Christ. So they will not come. In fact they may fight him. Judah, will be expecting someone other than Jesus, but when the servant preaches Jesus, they will not come. Only a tenth of Israel, the remnant, will come. Shear-Jashub.


25 But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation.

Most interpret this to mean Jesus. Could this be a dual meaning? Avraham Gileadi's writings are all about both the greater and lesser participants offering proxy salvation by suffering for the people. Jesus suffers for all. The servant suffers for Israel. The gift of the Holy Ghost is an exclusive gift for Israel. What a coincidence. Looking at the Greek here, a plausible interpretation is "this generation" refers to the generation in which the Son of Man comes in the flesh.

https://biblehub.com/text/luke/17-25.htm



26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.
27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.
28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

Again, reading verse 30 with spiritual blinders on, one may interpret verse 30 to mean Jesus Christ. Yet Jesus has been revealed. In addition to our own scriptures that indicate the Davidic Servant is hidden, there are many of apocryphal works that indicate the Davidic Servant is hidden from the foundation of the world to be revealed at the very end: 1 Enoch. Apocalypse of Abraham. Apocalypse of Thomas. 2 Esdras. Discourse on Abbaton. Probably more I can't think of or haven't discovered yet. This message is so overt in the Apocrypha it's almost as if the devil fought to obscure these works ... and God let him do it.

Here is a verse from Apocalypse of Thomas that reinforces this truth - that this deified angel will be revealed at the end.The verses leading up are the seven days of the end times comparable to the 7 trumps:

And when the seven days are passed by, on the eighth day at the sixth hour there shall be a sweet and tender voice in heaven from the east. Then shall that angel be revealed which hath power over the holy angels: and all the angels shall go forth with him, sitting upon chariots of the clouds of mine holy Father (so) rejoicing and running upon the air beneath the heaven to deliver the elect that have believed in me. And they shall rejoice that the destruction of this world hath come.

http://www.gnosis.org/library/apcthom.htm

That angel -- is in fact the same angel John worshiped, the Angel of the Lord of the Old Testament is the voice of Jehovah and the destroyer of Israel's enemies. Discourse on Abbaton is an incredible reinforcement to his role and his throne. I hope to have this article finished today.


31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back.
32 Remember Lot’s wife.
33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.
34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left.
35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

2 Esdras 13 is a recent, incredible find for me. Just after the Eagle dies (Ezra's Eagle prophecy) the servant arises and destroys armies single handedly ... just ...as....he....did.....for.....Israel for millenia. After he destroys (destroyer aka Abbadon) - the remnant goes to him. Then the ten tribes are gathered. If this is true, then the Davidic Servant is never revealed until he is empowered.

Just look at how many claimants there have been:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One_Mighty_and_Strong

There have been some who have approached me and some who have approached acquaintances. Perhaps I will discover a layer of knowledge that indicates the Davidic Servant is many people as some here believe. I think not however. I believe this is the devil trying to confuse by throwing as many false positives at us as possible to thwart the ...well, positive positive (wait, do two positives still stay positive?) Is this phenomenon like the apocrypha and like Job - were the devil's will and the Lord's come into unique alignment? Maybe so.

Think of it this way. John the Baptist was clearly the Elias of the coming of Jesus Christ. Now did he go out and start trying to prove to everyone he was the Elias? Or did he just share what knowledge was entrusted to him? I don't know - maybe he did share the cool events of his birthday. Maybe he told folks about the angels who appeared. I suspect that to him was revealed the nature and extent of the mission of Jesus Christ. What will the Davidic Servant reveal?

Have a read of 2 Esdras and notice how cleanly it fits with verses 31-37 of Luke 17 and the comparable verses in Matthew 24 / JST Matthew. The remnant approaches the Davidic Servant, and they likely didn't hesitate. Their lamps were full and their wicks trimmed.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/apo/es2013.htm

Wow. So the Davidic servant will be an Elias for Jesus’ second coming?! This is an amazing insight. Also, you said:

“This message is so overt in the Apocrypha it's almost as if the devil fought to obscure these works ... and God let him do it.”

Mind = brown. Wow wow wow !!! My mind is reeling. What is this article you hope to have finished today? I’m interested.

Overall this comment of yours, Alaris, has me engaged and excited and amazed all at the same time. I feel much of it is true. Not sure I understand some of the deeper aspects though.

[Alaris]

Wow. So the Davidic servant will be an Elias for Jesus’ second coming?! This is an amazing insight. Also, you said:

“This message is so overt in the Apocrypha it's almost as if the devil fought to obscure these works ... and God let him do it.”

Mind = brown. Wow wow wow !!! My mind is reeling. What is this article you hope to have finished today? I’m interested.

Overall this comment of yours, Alaris, has me engaged and excited and amazed all at the same time. I feel much of it is true. Not sure I understand some of the deeper aspects though.

Thanks ori

I'm writing the final draft now. I hope to have it done today, but I'm guessing it won't be until later tonight. In any case, I'll create a new thread here once it's done. It is seriously the coolest find. like totally!

And thank you for your kindness

[Juliet]

Joseph Smith said that the Man Child that the Woman gave birth to is the Political Kingdom of God. My personal inspiration told me a few years ago that the Church, who is represented by the Woman, is about to give birth to the Political Kingdom of God.

President Nelson in a tweet he made on Nov. 1, 2018 said that the process of the Restoration is not complete and that we will see great things take place in 2019 and 2020.

I believe that the establishment of the Political Kingdom of God will be very soon! I'm excited because my inspiration told me that I will have a stewardship of some kind in this new organization.

I think that the sign that took place in September of 2017 has reference to the establishment of the Political Kingdom of God. Remember that in the latter-days God's Kingdom will be in two parts. The Word of the Lord will come from Jerusalem and the Law of the Lord will come from Zion or the New Jerusalem.

We are waiting for the fullfillment of the covenant of Abraham which necessitates a political kingdom whereby God's people can rely on God to protect their right to life and posterity as God promised us by Abrahamic covenant. Perhaps the covenant already being established is waiting for the covenant people to put the faith in God and their covenants to allow such a kingdom to come to pass.

[Juliet]

I have known other people who have gone through a spiritual awakening and have wondered that they were being told they were someone important. Three points on this.

1. We all are children of God and we used to be in His presence. When we really wake up to the enormity of such truth, how can our eeny weeny brains process that? To a small little brain, it must think, I must be like Moses or etc etc etc....because what else can our brains use to identify the enormity of feeling we arouse when we come close to touching God's presence?

2. There really were noble and great souls in the pre earth life, some of which are here. I believe that such souls do not seek recognition or praise of man, because they are service to others not service to self. They are here to glorify God. But of course they are human and want and need friendship and support. The key is to remember the worth of all souls is great and the greatest is also the least and the servant of all.

3. Satan has counterfeit programs and they are used in mind control. For example, they program you are the innocent lamb that must suffer for the sins of the abusers and or you were some past life queen or character, etc and so forth. End times programming as end times character and etc.

In time it will all get sorted out. We don't have answers all at once because we have to live by faith.