Second Civil War - REFERENCES

[Stevieb]

There are a couple discussions about a coming civil war. I was wondering if anyone has compiled a complete list of references to a second civil war or internal strife/conflict in the US? All I'm looking for is the references and not peoples interpretation. I have seen a few references already but they are scattered.

[Durzan]

Google the White Horse Prophecy. That’s one reference. How credible you think it is is of course up to you.

[Spaced_Out]

There are a couple discussions about a coming civil war. I was wondering if anyone has compiled a complete list of references to a second civil war or internal strife/conflict in the US? All I'm looking for is the references and not peoples interpretation. I have seen a few references already but they are scattered.

This web site has extensive postings of most visions and quotes dealing with issuers surrounding the second coming and tribulations in categories. Civil war included.

http://visionsandtribulation.blogspot.c ... 20War%20US

http://visionsandtribulation.blogspot.com.au/

[kirtland r.m.]

There are a couple discussions about a coming civil war. I was wondering if anyone has compiled a complete list of references to a second civil war or internal strife/conflict in the US? All I'm looking for is the references and not peoples interpretation. I have seen a few references already but they are scattered.

Here you go...viewtopic.php?t=40729[url]

[DesertWonderer2]

“My brother, Noah Packard says he heard the prophet Joseph Smith say...”

Oh brother! When will people stop refrencing made up / completely unreliable 3rd and 4th hand accounts?

I dont think there are any first hand sources for this idea.

[Stevieb]

Thank you. These references are helpful. Are these all the references you know of from General Authorities?

[brianj]

Person Hyde of the Twelve had some significant prophecies. Search for him and war, and you’ll find plenty.

[James-T-Prout]

Hi all.

The 2nd American Civil War prophecy is had and it is known.

I had wrestled with this prophecy, and it's sources for a long time. I finally put the pieces together for myself and recorded it for my children.

This is an exert from Chapter 10 of The "Last Days" Timeline by James T. Prout (myself)

The 2ND American Civil War

This civil war starts in America. It is said by multiple sources to start because of political parties. Let us see the sources…

Brigham Young said this about the state to state civil wars:

(Journal of Discourses: Brigham Young 8:30)
“When the testimony of the Elders ceases to be given, and the Lord says to them, "Come home; I will now preach my own sermons to the nations of the earth," all you now know can scarcely be called a preface to the sermon that will be preached with fire and sword, tempests, earthquakes, hail, rain, thunders and lightnings, and fearful destruction….

…You will hear of magnificent cities, now idolized by the people, sinking in the earth, entombing the inhabitants. The sea will heave itself beyond its bounds, engulfing mighty cities. Famine will spread over the nations, and nation will rise up against nation, kingdom against kingdom, and states against states, in our own country and in foreign lands; and they will destroy each other, caring not for the blood and lives of their neighbors, of their families, or for their own lives.”

Learning Points:
A. There is a lot here, but the point is that there will be State to State fighting in the USA and people won’t have compassion upon their own neighbors or their own families.
a. (Author’s Analysis): This seems to be the same type of fighting that occurred when the Jaredites went down in the book of Ether in the Book of Mormon. Then too, it was because of secret combinations.

Orson Pratt gets even deeper and calls this fighting city vs. city and neighborhood vs. neighborhood.

(Journal of Discourses; Orson Pratt 20:18)
“But what about the American nation? That war that destroyed the lives of some fifteen or sixteen hundred thousand people was nothing, compared to that which will eventually devastate that country.

The time is not very far distant in the future, when the Lord God will lay his hand heavily upon that nation. ... It will be a war of neighborhood against neighborhood, city against city, town against town, county against county, state against state, and they will go forth destroying and being destroyed and manufacturing will, in a great measure, cease, for a time, among the American nation. Why? Because in these terrible wars, they will not be privileged to manufacture, there will be too much bloodshed-too much mobocracy-too much going forth in bands and destroying and pillaging the land to suffer people to pursue any local vocation with any degree of safety.

What will become of millions of the farmers upon that land? They will leave their farms and they will remain uncultivated, and they will flee before the ravaging armies from place to place; and thus will they go forth burning and pillaging the whole country; and that great and powerful nation, now consisting of some forty millions of people, will be wasted away, unless they repent.”

Learning Points:
A. This civil war in America is a localized civil war taking place very locally to where the people live… even down to the neighborhood. What could make one neighborhood/county rise up against another neighborhood/county?

Politics!

As we shall see. John Taylor, the 3rd President of the Church saw it.

(Journal of Discourses, John Taylor 25:41)
“t looks very much like as though the time was drawing near when this country will tumble to pieces; for if the people of this nation are so blind and in fatuated as to trample under foot the Constitution and other safeguards provided for the liberties of man, we do not propose to assist them in their suicidal and traitorous enterprises; for we have been told by Joseph Smith that when the people of this nation would trample upon the Constitution, the Elders of this Church would rally round the flag and defend it.

And it may come to that; we may be nearer to it than some of us think, for the people are not very zealous in the protection of human rights. And when legislators, governors and judges unite in seeking to tear down the temple of liberty and destroy the bulwarks of human freedom, it will be seen by all lovers of liberty, that they are playing a hazardous game and endangering the perpetuity of human rights.

For it will not take long for the unthinking to follow their lead, and they may let loose an element that they never can bind again. We seem to be standing on a precipice and the tumultuous passions of men are agitated by political and party strife; the elements of discord are seething and raging as if portending a coming storm; and no man seems competent to take the helm and guide the ship of State through the fearful breakers that threaten on every hand. These are dangerous things, but it becomes our duty as good citizens to obey the law as far as practicable, and be governed by correct principles.”

Learning Points:
A. President John Taylor saw that the ripping-power behind the future civil war was the power of the two political parties.
B. This ripping-power comes to the fore when the legislators and judges trample the U.S. Constitution.
a. (Author’s Analysis): In late 2016, after the Nov 8,16 election of Donald J. Trump, there was massive medium-level rioting involving 1000s of people in many cities in the United States, simply because one party lost an election. This is the first time in recent history that America had mass rioting after an election. The transition of power was less smooth than normal. (See www.LastDaysTimeline.com/donald-trump-riots)

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I hope that was enough prophet quotes for you on that topic. There are more....like in the vision of John Taylor (recorded in Appendix #4 of "The Last Days Timeline") and the White Horse Prophecy of Joseph Smith. But, those 2 sources are a little lagging on credibility. So, I like to stick to the prophets and apostles of God. Which these passages above show.

What are your thoughts?

[DesertWonderer2]

What you quote above are OPINIONS not propjecies. They were expecting this “2nd civil war” within a few years because they thiught that the LDS people of thier day would be going back to take over Jackson County after this “civil war” had cleansed MIsouri. None it ever happed. This in and of itself is proof that these were not prophecies. Why don’t modern leaders speak of this war? Because through the advantage of time / history, they understand this will not happen.

Now regarding the 2 prophecies you refer to at the end of your post, they are complete fabrications and The Church has spooes out against them more than once.

[Son of Liberty]

Google the White Horse Prophecy. That’s one reference. How credible you think it is is of course up to you.

Well considering that a good amount of countries in the last 200 years have been feuding amongst themselves and countless civil wars have come and gone, I think it would be unwise to completely rule it out. Also the political and ever polarizing divide between each individual race nationality sex etc has been growing at an exponential rate. I believe people feel further and further alienated from their countrymen and neighbors and when this hits a certain threshold is when things come to a head and a single polarizing event can light the fuse to a second civil war. Personally I believe in the White Horse prophecy more & more as I get older and the political divide grows and the government becomes more authoritarian and more socialist in its being. As this is in direct opposition to the original intent of this country which was ordained as a promise land by God we were promised peace and prosperity if we remained worthy as a country. We haven't been worthy for a while and the cup of his indignation I fear is close to full. At some point the divine protection will be lifted and us men will be left to our own devices as we have chosen to go our own way and do our own thing in the image of our own selves instead of following our lord and the example of his only begotten.

[Stevieb]

I understand that some references are of questionable authority. I will do my own research and determine which I believe are true. Based on the Brigham Young reference it sounds like a possible timeline indicator is given. Missionaries are called home and then the worst part of this war begins. So the next question would be what other references do we have to missionaries being called home or the times of the gentiles being fulfilled?

[kirtland r.m.]

I understand that some references are of questionable authority. I will do my own research and determine which I believe are true. Based on the Brigham Young reference it sounds like a possible timeline indicator is given. Missionaries are called home and then the worst part of this war begins. So the next question would be what other references do we have to missionaries being called home or the times of the gentiles being fulfilled?

Orson Pratt

When God has called out the righteous, when the warning voice has been sufficiently proclaimed among tile Gentile nations, and the Lord says, “It is enough,” he will also say to his servants—”O, ye, my servants, come home, come out from the midst of these Gentile nations, where you have labored and borne testimony for so long a period; come out from among them, for they are not worthy; they do not receive the message that I have sent forth, they do not repent of their sins, come out from their midst, their times are fulfilled. Seal up the testimony among them and bind up the law.” (Orson Pratt, Journal of Discourses, Vol. 18, p. 64, July 25, 1875)

[kittycat51]

The White Horse Prophecy is bunk. President Joseph F. Smith as prophet and his son Joseph Fielding Smith as a GA put that falsehood to rest.

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=44431&p=756536&hili ... se#p756536

[Durzan]

I think there is some truth to the White Horse Prophecy. I don't believe it is entirely accurate, as if we take it at face value, it is a second or third hand account of something Joseph Smith said in private, and was recorded 40+ years after the fact, when someone's memory is faulty at best.

Parts of it do seem to be ringing true though, at least in a very generalized sense.