In the words of Charlie Brown, "we're doomed", that's how it feels anyway.

[kirtland r.m.]

I grew up in Phoenix. It used to be safe. that was then, and this is now. We would spend our summer vacations, riding bicycles and playing basketball all day long. We could go anywhere and we were safe. The elementary school I went to had one Hispanic student. Now that school (Loma Linda) has less than ten percent white kids.
Phoenix is as a result, the kidnapping capitol of the united states, with about one per day. They say you can set in your your house at night in some neighborhoods, and count the gunshots going off. The Hispanic police chief in Salt Lake City about ten or fifteen years ago was berated by Hispanic groups for saying that about half of the murders in S.L. were committed by illegals. My Children in a S.L. suburb, go to a high school labeled a "Getto School" as many of the high schools here are now called. Every day as I hear the news, I am told about how rotten and racist white people are, how other groups cannot be racist, white privilege, and so on. No more melting pot, it's come to white America, hate white America, tear down white America, rebuild it in your own image. The result is a giant three hundred million person country that is a united nations of bickering, nasty, critical people of those who came before them. People who for example want to fly the Mexican flag at schools in southern California. Not like years ago when immigrants where proud to be new Americans and worked to fit in. The overwhelming numbers of those pouring into America and Europe are part of the problem along with their false beliefs.
We are being played, and now others are pouring in from the middle east are part of the next wave. Much of this country is lost. Our own politicians bear a major blame for this. Western Europe is a few steps ahead of us. With no go zones in many areas where even the police are afraid to go, and where it is a "hate crime" to point out such things. Rape and mayhem abound there. Want to know Satan's plan for the last days, look around. Satan is tearing down former strongholds of Christianity with secularism, and "political correctness" which is not correct at all.
We are caught in an Avalanche with little power to stop it. I see things getting progressively worse year after year, but I don't give up, and I know we shouldn't. At least with the Lord's help we can see things as they really are, and know that some day things will be better. It is very discouraging though to see myself and others taking a beat down every day by the very people who are destroying America and the very things which once made us great.
I have spoken plainly, it will only get worse.

[friendsofthe]

Kirtland r. m. wrote:
In the words of Charlie Brown, "we're doomed", that's how it feels anyway…. It is very discouraging though to see myself and others taking a beat down every day by the very people who are destroying America and the very things which once made us great.

Charlie Brown and Ezra Taft Benson had something in common… DOOM… said he:

“if the gentiles on this land reject the word of God and conspire to overthrow liberty and the Constitution, then their doom is fixed, and they “. . . shall be cut off from among my people who are of the covenant”. (1 Nephi 14:6; 3 Nephi 21:11, 14, 21; D&C 84:114-115, 117) (Oct. general conference 1961)

No worries, their “doom” is going to be “fixed” much sooner than many of us realize! Just recently blogged about this topic here: http://thebridegroomcometh.net/the-task ... -any-time/

[Juliet]

It isn't so much the color of skin as it is the secret combinations and socialist principles we have adopted to be principalities.

[harakim]

Don't let fear and hate have a place within you. We are not doomed

[friendsofthe]

Correct, we are not doomed…. It is “the gentiles on this land” who “reject the word of God and conspire to overthrow liberty and the Constitution” who are doomed… They are to be “cut off from among my people who are of the covenant”. We “who are of the covenant” are in good shape if we are faithful…

[gardener4life]

I understand that a lot of the things you said were true. You are trying to identify the problems and evil, so that people can see that it's not right.

I read an interesting scripture today. And I would point that out. Why? Because the answers to life's problems are in the scriptures. The Lord's primary attributes include foresight. And we're encouraged to study the revelations given to Joseph Smith. Why? Because they have solutions and talk about the problems of our day with the Book of Mormon. The Book of Mormon shows and reveals what will happen, what is happening, and the truth to see through the Illusions. The D&C contains the Lord's promises and solutions to questions about problems.

D&C115:6 And that the gathering together upon the land of Zion, and upon her stakes, may be for a defense, and for a refuge from the storm, and from wrath when it shall be poured out without mixture upon the whole earth.(So in the stakes of Zion are the refuge from the storm. Correlate with other scriptures which mention a flaming fire visible around the tabernacle(s) or temples, and a cloud of the Lord's presence which is a symbolism of Zion being upheld by the testimonies of the righteous and by living and having, being worth of having the Holy Spirit of God with us.)

D&C Section 97 has relevance to this kind of problem;

18 And, now, behold, if Zion do these things she shall prosper, and spread herself and become very glorious, very great, and very terrible. (Where is the safety and refuge? In Zion.)
19 And the nations of the earth shall honor her, and shall say: Surely Zion is the city of our God, and surely Zion cannot fall, neither be moved out of her place, for God is there, and the hand of the Lord is there; (2 Nephi 12:2 And it shall come to pass in the last days, when the mountain of the Lord’s house shall be established in the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills, and all nations shall flow unto it.)
20 And he hath sworn by the power of his might to be her salvation and her high tower.
21 Therefore, verily, thus saith the Lord, let Zion rejoice, for this is Zion—the pure in heart; therefore, let Zion rejoice, while all the wicked shall mourn. (Love one another, bear one another's burdens, be united in faith, guileless, serve the needy.)
22 For behold, and lo, vengeance cometh speedily upon the ungodly as the whirlwind; and who shall escape it? (How do we qualify to avoid the coming judgments? By being pure in heart and repentant with broken heart & contrite spirit.)
23 The Lord’s scourge shall pass over by night and by day, and the report thereof shall vex all people; yea, it shall not be stayed until the Lord come; (The Lord doesn't want us to proclaim judgments on others. But it is necessary that we know at some point he will intervene. He has promised his Saints he won't let Zion fail...but condition on that Zion doesn't let herself fail by personal apostasy.)
24 For the indignation of the Lord is kindled against their abominations and all their wicked works. (Why would he be angry? Because the innocent are victims. He has already stated the cup of his wrath is full in other scriptures. But at some point he will intervene to protect the humble and faithful Saints IF they are stripped of pride.)
25 Nevertheless, Zion shall escape if she observe to do all things whatsoever I have commanded her. (conditions apply; repentant heart, contrite spirit.)
26 But if she observe not to do whatsoever I have commanded her, I will visit her according to all her works, with sore affliction, with pestilence, with plague, with sword, with vengeance, with devouring fire.
27 Nevertheless, let it be read this once to her ears, that I, the Lord, have accepted of her offering; and if she sin no more none of these things shall come upon her; (He will accept us again if we come back to him.)
28 And I will bless her with blessings, and multiply a multiplicity of blessings upon her, and upon her generations forever and ever, saith the Lord your God. Amen. (I will give her a future with both temporal and spiritual welfare, and treasures of the gospel, treasures of gospel programs, and family treasures.)

I'm not blind that what the opening poster says is real and hard. This is happening all over. How long will it be until the Lord intervenes? That I don't know. But I think it will be soon. It's awful how much evil is spreading and what's even worse about it is the denial that any of it is happening by the public. That makes it worse. Even good people sometimes refuse to see how bad it is.

But at some point he will intervene.

[David13]

You are quite right.
The previous evil president, I hate to even state his name, said he wanted to fundamentally change the United States. What he did't say is that he wanted to change it into a 3rd world crap hole like the locations where all these immigrants and "refugees" come from.
And the Hella Beast intended to carry on that evil scheme.
In a minor sense Donald Trump has temporarily saved us, or slowed down that evil process, which is the agenda of all major cities, down even to fairly small towns in the US.
So there is some hope here. A minor sliver of hope, a ray of light that could easily be extinguished.
dc

I think we know it is a temporary reprieve, but it is a reprieve.

[Gage]

The Latino gangs, illegal Mexicans, black gangs, white gangs, etc. they all cause plenty of mayhem and crime and induce plenty of fear in citizens in most communities. This mixed with political correctness, feminism, etc. puts a lot of despair in the hearts of many. However, its the brother and sisters sitting next to you on Sundays and the proud LDS spread across Utah that will be the ones to cause the Lord to declare "enough" and allow the suffering to begin.

[Vision]

Makes me think how the American Indians must have felt being over ran with European illegal aliens that destroyed their culture and way of life.

[David13]

Makes me think how the American Indians must have felt being over ran with European illegal aliens that destroyed their culture and way of life.

What law were the European settlers violating when they came here? None.

Was there an immigration process? No, it was merely unclaimed land.


Nice try, but totally off the mark.
dc

[EmmaLee]

The Latino gangs, illegal Mexicans, black gangs, white gangs, etc. they all cause plenty of mayhem and crime and induce plenty of fear in citizens in most communities. This mixed with political correctness, feminism, etc. puts a lot of despair in the hearts of many. However, its the brother and sisters sitting next to you on Sundays and the proud LDS spread across Utah that will be the ones to cause the Lord to declare "enough" and allow the suffering to begin.

Agreed, but proud LDS people are everywhere, certainly not just in Utah.

[David13]

The Latino gangs, illegal Mexicans, black gangs, white gangs, etc. they all cause plenty of mayhem and crime and induce plenty of fear in citizens in most communities. This mixed with political correctness, feminism, etc. puts a lot of despair in the hearts of many. However, its the brother and sisters sitting next to you on Sundays and the proud LDS spread across Utah that will be the ones to cause the Lord to declare "enough" and allow the suffering to begin.

Disagree completely.

Either you have an inability to separate the chaff from the wheat, or a personal resentment against members of the church.
dc

[Gage]

No resentment towards any members. I am just going by what the scriptures say and not by what naive Mormons say, those that think they will all be protected because they attend the Mormon church on Sundays and because they hold recommends.

[DesertWonderer2]

The Latino gangs, illegal Mexicans, black gangs, white gangs, etc. they all cause plenty of mayhem and crime and induce plenty of fear in citizens in most communities. This mixed with political correctness, feminism, etc. puts a lot of despair in the hearts of many. However, its the brother and sisters sitting next to you on Sundays and the proud LDS spread across Utah that will be the ones to cause the Lord to declare "enough" and allow the suffering to begin.

What a gift to be able to read the hearts and minds of those around you. Perhaps another reading of the 10th commandment is in order?

[David13]

No resentment towards any members. I am just going by what the scriptures say and not by what naive Mormons say, those that think they will all be protected because they attend the Mormon church on Sundays and because they hold recommends.

Sounds like a personal resentment to me.
dc

[gungadin500]

I understand the frustration with the direction in which the world is heading, but we need to be careful in terms of where those frustrations are directed. It isn't because of anyone's immigration status. See Elder Ballard's January 2, 2018 tweet: "We need to embrace God's children compassionately and eliminate any prejudice, including racism, sexism and nationalism." I find that things go more smoothly in my life when I just concentrate on loving God's children, and I leave the "heavy lifting" of identifying responsibility and judgment to the Lord.

[Vision]

Makes me think how the American Indians must have felt being over ran with European illegal aliens that destroyed their culture and way of life.

What law were the European settlers violating when they came here? None.

Was there an immigration process? No, it was merely unclaimed land.


Nice try, but totally off the mark.
dc

DC it sure is comfortable to live in your world with no thought of history prior to European settlement of North America. I won't debate you further on this topic because you clearly can't accept any other view than the school book history of North America.

[David13]

Makes me think how the American Indians must have felt being over ran with European illegal aliens that destroyed their culture and way of life.

What law were the European settlers violating when they came here? None.

Was there an immigration process? No, it was merely unclaimed land.


Nice try, but totally off the mark.
dc

DC it sure is comfortable to live in your world with no thought of history prior to European settlement of North America. I won't debate you further on this topic because you clearly can't accept any other view than the school book history of North America.

Well, your politically correct version is now in the history books, isn't it? So it's you with the school book history view, isn't it.

But the odd thing about your haughtiness is that you didn't address any of the issues I raised from your nonsense statement. What law were you talking about? Oh, none, other than the law of "political correctness". Or indoctrination into an agenda. Good for you.
dc

[Vision]

Makes me think how the American Indians must have felt being over ran with European illegal aliens that destroyed their culture and way of life.

What law were the European settlers violating when they came here? None.

Was there an immigration process? No, it was merely unclaimed land.


Nice try, but totally off the mark.
dc

DC it sure is comfortable to live in your world with no thought of history prior to European settlement of North America. I won't debate you further on this topic because you clearly can't accept any other view than the school book history of North America.

Well, your politically correct version is now in the history books, isn't it? So it's you with the school book history view, isn't it.

But the odd thing about your haughtiness is that you didn't address any of the issues I raised from your nonsense statement. What law were you talking about? Oh, none, other than the law of "political correctness". Or indoctrination into an agenda. Good for you.
dc

DC

The laws you are referring to are only modern law. My view is not politically correct it's factual history. Why did the European settlers trade beads for Long Island if the Indians didn't own the land?

[DesertWonderer2]

Makes me think how the American Indians must have felt being over ran with European illegal aliens that destroyed their culture and way of life.

It was a completely un-unique (if that’s a word) situation that had played out over and over again in the telestial world. You seem to be taking it personally? It happened a long time ago. Don’t loose sleep over it.

[DesertWonderer2]

I grew up in Phoenix. It used to be safe. that was then, and this is now. We would spend our summer vacations, riding bicycles and playing basketball all day long. We could go anywhere and we were safe. The elementary school I went to had one Hispanic student. Now that school (Loma Linda) has less than ten percent white kids.
Phoenix is as a result, the kidnapping capitol of the united states, with about one per day. They say you can set in your your house at night in some neighborhoods, and count the gunshots going off. The Hispanic police chief in Salt Lake City about ten or fifteen years ago was berated by Hispanic groups for saying that about half of the murders in S.L. were committed by illegals. My Children in a S.L. suburb, go to a high school labeled a "Getto School" as many of the high schools here are now called. Every day as I hear the news, I am told about how rotten and racist white people are, how other groups cannot be racist, white privilege, and so on. No more melting pot, it's come to white America, hate white America, tear down white America, rebuild it in your own image. The result is a giant three hundred million person country that is a united nations of bickering, nasty, critical people of those who came before them. People who for example want to fly the Mexican flag at schools in southern California. Not like years ago when immigrants where proud to be new Americans and worked to fit in. The overwhelming numbers of those pouring into America and Europe are part of the problem along with their false beliefs.
We are being played, and now others are pouring in from the middle east are part of the next wave. Much of this country is lost. Our own politicians bear a major blame for this. Western Europe is a few steps ahead of us. With no go zones in many areas where even the police are afraid to go, and where it is a "hate crime" to point out such things. Rape and mayhem abound there. Want to know Satan's plan for the last days, look around. Satan is tearing down former strongholds of Christianity with secularism, and "political correctness" which is not correct at all.
We are caught in an Avalanche with little power to stop it. I see things getting progressively worse year after year, but I don't give up, and I know we shouldn't. At least with the Lord's help we can see things as they really are, and know that some day things will be better. It is very discouraging though to see myself and others taking a beat down every day by the very people who are destroying America and the very things which once made us great.
I have spoken plainly, it will only get worse.

It makes me sad to read such a fearful and dour post. It is however predictable. It is just some of the fruits of relying on false prophets and their false doctrine instead of true ordained apostles. JR, Sosa, Spencer, Sara Menet have their DNA all over this.

[David13]

What law were the European settlers violating when they came here? None.

Was there an immigration process? No, it was merely unclaimed land.


Nice try, but totally off the mark.
dc

DC it sure is comfortable to live in your world with no thought of history prior to European settlement of North America. I won't debate you further on this topic because you clearly can't accept any other view than the school book history of North America.

Well, your politically correct version is now in the history books, isn't it? So it's you with the school book history view, isn't it.

But the odd thing about your haughtiness is that you didn't address any of the issues I raised from your nonsense statement. What law were you talking about? Oh, none, other than the law of "political correctness". Or indoctrination into an agenda. Good for you.
dc

DC

The laws you are referring to are only modern law. My view is not politically correct it's factual history. Why did the European settlers trade beads for Long Island if the Indians didn't own the land?

It's almost comical that you accuse me of being a text book historian, and you use in your argument a text book anecdote that probably had no factual basis whatsoever.
Has anyone ever found the deed the settlers received for the beads? Ha ha, that does not require an answer. It's what's known as a rhetorical question, which does not require an answer.

I think it's like someone posted above, you have some personal feeling about this. Let it go. The Indians were not a documented society.
dc

[Vision]

DC it sure is comfortable to live in your world with no thought of history prior to European settlement of North America. I won't debate you further on this topic because you clearly can't accept any other view than the school book history of North America.

Well, your politically correct version is now in the history books, isn't it? So it's you with the school book history view, isn't it.

But the odd thing about your haughtiness is that you didn't address any of the issues I raised from your nonsense statement. What law were you talking about? Oh, none, other than the law of "political correctness". Or indoctrination into an agenda. Good for you.
dc

DC

The laws you are referring to are only modern law. My view is not politically correct it's factual history. Why did the European settlers trade beads for Long Island if the Indians didn't own the land?

It's almost comical that you accuse me of being a text book historian, and you use in your argument a text book anecdote that probably had no factual basis whatsoever.
Has anyone ever found the deed the settlers received for the beads? Ha ha, that does not require an answer. It's what's known as a rhetorical question, which does not require an answer.

I think it's like someone posted above, you have some personal feeling about this. Let it go. The Indians were not a documented society.
dc

DC. I don't take things personal. It's just a debate, not like it's going to change anything in the real world. There actually is quite a bit of documented history. I did some reading on the topic earlier today and I learned a few things. There are recorded deeds from the Indians in fact which pretty much destroys the un claimed land theory. http://www.pilgrimhallmuseum.org/in_the ... #1649_deed

[Silver]

There actually is quite a bit of documented history. I did some reading on the topic earlier today and I learned a few things. There are recorded deeds from the Indians. http://www.pilgrimhallmuseum.org/in_the ... #1649_deed

Thanks for the history lesson.

[David13]

Well, your politically correct version is now in the history books, isn't it? So it's you with the school book history view, isn't it.

But the odd thing about your haughtiness is that you didn't address any of the issues I raised from your nonsense statement. What law were you talking about? Oh, none, other than the law of "political correctness". Or indoctrination into an agenda. Good for you.
dc

DC

The laws you are referring to are only modern law. My view is not politically correct it's factual history. Why did the European settlers trade beads for Long Island if the Indians didn't own the land?

It's almost comical that you accuse me of being a text book historian, and you use in your argument a text book anecdote that probably had no factual basis whatsoever.
Has anyone ever found the deed the settlers received for the beads? Ha ha, that does not require an answer. It's what's known as a rhetorical question, which does not require an answer.

I think it's like someone posted above, you have some personal feeling about this. Let it go. The Indians were not a documented society.
dc

DC. I don't take things personal. It's just a debate, not like it's going to change anything in the real world. There actually is quite a bit of documented history. I did some reading on the topic earlier today and I learned a few things. There are recorded deeds from the Indians in fact which pretty much destroys the un claimed land theory. http://www.pilgrimhallmuseum.org/in_the ... #1649_deed

Who do you think wrote those deeds? The settlers, or the illiterate natives, who couldn't read nor write, and thus "made their mark" on the document?
Why were they all signed with "X"?
dc