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Rand wrote: January 4th, 2018, 7:17 pm Does Marijuana usage inhibit ones ability to feel and interact in a revelatory manner with the Spirit or the Holy Ghost?

If it does, and we have passed laws that limit the legal usage of it, if people followed those laws, would everyone be better off?

The laws don't work, in this case it seems to me because it isn't followed. Now, I am not in favor of government over reach, I'm just not sure that in this case it is over reach.
Very true. Legalize recreational drug use and there will be a marked increase in school droop out, as children will loose will and attention span, loose desire to be better, become reliant on medication to solve problems.
Number of traffic violations and deaths will dramatically increase, use of harder drugs will increase as cannabis is the gateway. Soon hospitals and public places will become to dangerous to use those facilities - it is a death spiral. Cities that have legalized cannabis use are now completely falling apart.

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Spaced_Out wrote: January 6th, 2018, 1:45 pm
Rand wrote: January 4th, 2018, 7:17 pm Does Marijuana usage inhibit ones ability to feel and interact in a revelatory manner with the Spirit or the Holy Ghost?

If it does, and we have passed laws that limit the legal usage of it, if people followed those laws, would everyone be better off?

The laws don't work, in this case it seems to me because it isn't followed. Now, I am not in favor of government over reach, I'm just not sure that in this case it is over reach.
Very true. Legalize recreational drug use and there will be a marked increase in school droop out, as children will loose will and attention span, loose desire to be better, become reliant on medication to solve problems.
Number of traffic violations and deaths will dramatically increase, use of harder drugs will increase as cannabis is the gateway. Soon hospitals and public places will become to dangerous to use those facilities - it is a death spiral. Cities that have legalized cannabis use are now completely falling apart.
Simply not so, just look at the data from the Netherlands, which has had a liberal marijuana law for decades. Their students out perform our students. Marijuana is already easily accessible by our students. Reality check: Legal marijuana is more expensive than Blackmarket marijuana. The war on drugs this country has been waging is too costly. Marijuana LAWS do more harm to individuals and families than marijuana does.
Please, what “city” has legalized marijuana and fallen apart since. Data please.

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PressingForward wrote: January 6th, 2018, 2:13 pm
Spaced_Out wrote: January 6th, 2018, 1:45 pm
Rand wrote: January 4th, 2018, 7:17 pm Does Marijuana usage inhibit ones ability to feel and interact in a revelatory manner with the Spirit or the Holy Ghost?

If it does, and we have passed laws that limit the legal usage of it, if people followed those laws, would everyone be better off?

The laws don't work, in this case it seems to me because it isn't followed. Now, I am not in favor of government over reach, I'm just not sure that in this case it is over reach.
Very true. Legalize recreational drug use and there will be a marked increase in school droop out, as children will loose will and attention span, loose desire to be better, become reliant on medication to solve problems.
Number of traffic violations and deaths will dramatically increase, use of harder drugs will increase as cannabis is the gateway. Soon hospitals and public places will become to dangerous to use those facilities - it is a death spiral. Cities that have legalized cannabis use are now completely falling apart.
Simply not so, just look at the data from the Netherlands, which has had a liberal marijuana law for decades. Their students out perform our students. Marijuana is already easily accessible by our students. Reality check: Legal marijuana is more expensive than Blackmarket marijuana. The war on drugs this country has been waging is too costly. Marijuana LAWS do more harm to individuals and families than marijuana does.
Please, what “city” has legalized marijuana and fallen apart since. Data please.
Portugal is another example the US could learn from. With decriminalization there, usage has dropped. Of course that means the prisons clear out which would make a lot of lobbyists, politicians and prison CEOs sad so we don't want to do that.

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PressingForward wrote: January 6th, 2018, 2:13 pm
Spaced_Out wrote: January 6th, 2018, 1:45 pm
Rand wrote: January 4th, 2018, 7:17 pm Does Marijuana usage inhibit ones ability to feel and interact in a revelatory manner with the Spirit or the Holy Ghost?

If it does, and we have passed laws that limit the legal usage of it, if people followed those laws, would everyone be better off?

The laws don't work, in this case it seems to me because it isn't followed. Now, I am not in favor of government over reach, I'm just not sure that in this case it is over reach.
Very true. Legalize recreational drug use and there will be a marked increase in school droop out, as children will loose will and attention span, loose desire to be better, become reliant on medication to solve problems.
Number of traffic violations and deaths will dramatically increase, use of harder drugs will increase as cannabis is the gateway. Soon hospitals and public places will become to dangerous to use those facilities - it is a death spiral. Cities that have legalized cannabis use are now completely falling apart.
Simply not so, just look at the data from the Netherlands, which has had a liberal marijuana law for decades. Their students out perform our students. Marijuana is already easily accessible by our students. Reality check: Legal marijuana is more expensive than Blackmarket marijuana. The war on drugs this country has been waging is too costly. Marijuana LAWS do more harm to individuals and families than marijuana does.
Please, what “city” has legalized marijuana and fallen apart since. Data please.
Yeah yeah, heard the same arguments abut the legalization of pornography where has that go the world.
As I said in my pervious statement if you think that recreational use of Cannabis will be tolerated in the Millennium - you have been smoking/eating too much of the happy stuff.

A replace for opioids that will lead to even more abuse and problems. In Australia from the first of Feb 2018 they are banning many over the counter pain killers due to wide spread abuse. Now you want to put more drugs freely available thinking it will make your children and families safer. You are living in the twilight zone of denial...

It is a total destructive substance (cannabis) and banned in the workplace due to safety and mental health issues.
Millennial Deaths Surge As Opioid Crisis Deepens
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-01- ... is-deepens

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PressingForward wrote: January 6th, 2018, 2:13 pm Reality check: Legal marijuana is more expensive than Blackmarket marijuana.
If you think that legalizing cannabis is going to increase the price and decrease it's availability - we must be living on a different planet.

Since it is legal to have the substance in your posession the drug dealers will proliferate and push it even harder - your argument is totally counter intuitive - the black market will go bonanza.

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Spaced_Out wrote: January 6th, 2018, 4:39 pm
PressingForward wrote: January 6th, 2018, 2:13 pm
Spaced_Out wrote: January 6th, 2018, 1:45 pm
Rand wrote: January 4th, 2018, 7:17 pm Does Marijuana usage inhibit ones ability to feel and interact in a revelatory manner with the Spirit or the Holy Ghost?

If it does, and we have passed laws that limit the legal usage of it, if people followed those laws, would everyone be better off?

The laws don't work, in this case it seems to me because it isn't followed. Now, I am not in favor of government over reach, I'm just not sure that in this case it is over reach.
Very true. Legalize recreational drug use and there will be a marked increase in school droop out, as children will loose will and attention span, loose desire to be better, become reliant on medication to solve problems.
Number of traffic violations and deaths will dramatically increase, use of harder drugs will increase as cannabis is the gateway. Soon hospitals and public places will become to dangerous to use those facilities - it is a death spiral. Cities that have legalized cannabis use are now completely falling apart.
Simply not so, just look at the data from the Netherlands, which has had a liberal marijuana law for decades. Their students out perform our students. Marijuana is already easily accessible by our students. Reality check: Legal marijuana is more expensive than Blackmarket marijuana. The war on drugs this country has been waging is too costly. Marijuana LAWS do more harm to individuals and families than marijuana does.
Please, what “city” has legalized marijuana and fallen apart since. Data please.
Yeah yeah, heard the same arguments abut the legalization of pornography where has that go the world.
As I said in my pervious statement if you think that recreational use of Cannabis will be tolerated in the Millennium - you have been smoking/eating too much of the happy stuff.

A replace for opioids that will lead to even more abuse and problems. In Australia from the first of Feb 2018 they are banning many over the counter pain killers due to wide spread abuse. Now you want to put more drugs freely available thinking it will make your children and families safer. You are living in the twilight zone of denial...

It is a total destructive substance (cannabis) and banned in the workplace due to safety and mental health issues.
Millennial Deaths Surge As Opioid Crisis Deepens
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-01- ... is-deepens
So you simply could not back up your claim that “cities” that legalized marijuana(it’s actually states) are completely falling apart. You deflect to prescription drug pain killer use, and also tell me I’m living in denial. Actually Spaced, it is you who simply can not accept facts and see reality.
Who said anything about marijuana use in the millennium? Are you for banning all bad things that are against the Gospel?
I think we had another brother with the same idea and plan, it didn’t work out for him at all, another fact.

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PressingForward wrote: January 6th, 2018, 6:22 pm So you simply could not back up your claim that “cities” that legalized marijuana(it’s actually states) are completely falling apart. You deflect to prescription drug pain killer use, and also tell me I’m living in denial. Actually Spaced, it is you who simply can not accept facts and see reality.
Who said anything about marijuana use in the millennium? Are you for banning all bad things that are against the Gospel?
I think we had another brother with the same idea and plan, it didn’t work out for him at all, another fact.
Evil is evil and you support evil you run into problems, cannabis usage will go up, drug dependency will go up, crime and usage of harder drugs will go up. Cannabis will be more affordable and available, the same happening with pain killers, same monkey just different name.

These things are already happening. I never listed any references as it is blatantly obvious, hear is a few for you to smoke.
THE UNEXPECTED SIDE EFFECTS OF LEGALIZING WEED
http://www.newsweek.com/unexpected-side ... eed-339931
Other symptoms of Colorado’s pot culture include increased use among teens, resulting in educational problems in middle schools and high schools, a spike in “edibles”-related emergency room visits, consumption by children and pets resulting in illness and death and regulatory confusion surrounding public consumption and enforcement.

Colorado’s addiction to cannabis revenue may prove to be the most harmful implication of all. Towns such as De Beque, where cannabis is replacing coal and cattle as a means of income, imperil themselves by staking the future on a substance that is still illegal in most states and that half of Americans still regard as a social evil.
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Marijuana-related deaths, suspensions & problems spike in Colorado – report
https://www.rt.com/usa/316148-marijuana ... ies-study/

A new study of marijuana drug use in Colorado found increases in marijuana-related traffic deaths, hospital visits, school suspensions, lab explosions, and pet poisonings. The study was conducted by a federal government program.
The 166-page report released this month analyzed the effects of legalizing marijuana for medical and recreational use in Colorado spanning the time period from 2006 to the present. Along with the state of Washington, Colorado is considered as something of laboratory in which the effects of legalizing marijuana use can be studied.

The study showed that the number of drivers testing positive for marijuana increased 100 percent from 2007 to 2012, with marijuana-related fatalities doubling from 37 to 78. Traffic fatalities total around 500 a year in the state.

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Also look at the huge numbers of homeless growing in big cities, that embrace drug culture. There are tons of sad videos on youtube that you can find of homeless camps all over the place and especially in California.

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gardener4life wrote: January 6th, 2018, 7:12 pm Also look at the huge numbers of homeless growing in big cities, that embrace drug culture. There are tons of sad videos on youtube that you can find of homeless camps all over the place and especially in California.
That is true - it is all the big liberal cities that embrace sanctity cities, that have overflowing problems with drug dependent people on the streets and hospital emergency wards are at capacity dealing with drug related issues.

Most of the news outlets in the US are liberal and are focused on destroying the USA, and post continual fake news relating to drug issues. All lies and deception - a sign of the times.
Citizens that are pot heads and drug dependant are easy to control - it is the work of Satan, next will be the chip and the mark of the beast then they will have full control over the US citizens...

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Spaced_Out wrote: January 6th, 2018, 1:45 pm Soon hospitals and public places will become too dangerous to use those facilities - it is a death spiral.
HIS WORDS ARE ALREADY PROPHETIC

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Spaced_Out wrote: January 6th, 2018, 4:39 pm
PressingForward wrote: January 6th, 2018, 2:13 pm
Spaced_Out wrote: January 6th, 2018, 1:45 pm
Rand wrote: January 4th, 2018, 7:17 pm Does Marijuana usage inhibit ones ability to feel and interact in a revelatory manner with the Spirit or the Holy Ghost?

If it does, and we have passed laws that limit the legal usage of it, if people followed those laws, would everyone be better off?

The laws don't work, in this case it seems to me because it isn't followed. Now, I am not in favor of government over reach, I'm just not sure that in this case it is over reach.
Very true. Legalize recreational drug use and there will be a marked increase in school droop out, as children will loose will and attention span, loose desire to be better, become reliant on medication to solve problems.
Number of traffic violations and deaths will dramatically increase, use of harder drugs will increase as cannabis is the gateway. Soon hospitals and public places will become to dangerous to use those facilities - it is a death spiral. Cities that have legalized cannabis use are now completely falling apart.
Simply not so, just look at the data from the Netherlands, which has had a liberal marijuana law for decades. Their students out perform our students. Marijuana is already easily accessible by our students. Reality check: Legal marijuana is more expensive than Blackmarket marijuana. The war on drugs this country has been waging is too costly. Marijuana LAWS do more harm to individuals and families than marijuana does.
Please, what “city” has legalized marijuana and fallen apart since. Data please.
Yeah yeah, heard the same arguments abut the legalization of pornography where has that go the world.
As I said in my pervious statement if you think that recreational use of Cannabis will be tolerated in the Millennium - you have been smoking/eating too much of the happy stuff.

A replace for opioids that will lead to even more abuse and problems. In Australia from the first of Feb 2018 they are banning many over the counter pain killers due to wide spread abuse. Now you want to put more drugs freely available thinking it will make your children and families safer. You are living in the twilight zone of denial...

It is a total destructive substance (cannabis) and banned in the workplace due to safety and mental health issues.
Millennial Deaths Surge As Opioid Crisis Deepens
https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2018-01- ... is-deepens
You cannot put opioids and hallucinogens in the same category. Opioids destroy lives and families. Hallucinogens by themselves are not addictive. Ask davedan how many people in his ER have died of an LSD overdose. Or mushrooms. haha
Furthermore, I challenge you to find a single reference that says the church disapproves of hallucinogens.
My mind has a different way of thinking than most people and I find that people who haven taken hallucinogens are the only ones that understand many things I have come to know. One day, if they are legal, I might even take them myself. I think it removes the veil to a degree.

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harakim wrote: January 6th, 2018, 11:09 pm You cannot put opioids and hallucinogens in the same category. Opioids destroy lives and families. Hallucinogens by themselves are not addictive. Ask davedan how many people in his ER have died of an LSD overdose. Or mushrooms. haha
Furthermore, I challenge you to find a single reference that says the church disapproves of hallucinogens.
My mind has a different way of thinking than most people and I find that people who haven taken hallucinogens are the only ones that understand many things I have come to know. One day, if they are legal, I might even take them myself. I think it removes the veil to a degree.
The HG is what brings knowledge from behind the veil.
Using mind altering substances to get spiritual experiences - the only spiritual thing you will experience is possession by Satan and his daemons.
I have counselled people with substance addictions - the one leads to the other and those that are addicted will do anything to get a fix if they are out of other drugs they will take pain killers or use cannabis or sniff gasoline or glue. Making such powerful drugs freely available (any person could just grew them in a pot plant in their room) will lead to a massive drug use increase and dependence and all the social ills that come from it...

These things are already happening, like pornography it will be a flood of pollution that will overtake the entire world and become endemic even in the church and will destroy hundreds of millions of lives.

Hallucinogen are in the same addictive category as other addictive drugs, you have no idea of what you are talking about. Speak to a recovered drug addict, they will all tell you the substances are addictive and soul and body destroying and against the HG.


WHAT IS AN HALLUCINOGEN?
Hallucinogens are drugs that cause hallucinations. Users see images, hear sounds and feel sensations that seem very real but do not exist. Some hallucinogens also produce sudden and unpredictable changes in the mood of those who use them.

Drug Use
Though not specifically mentioned in the Word of Wisdom, the use of illegal, or unnecessary legal, narcotics and hallucinogens and other harmful substances are against the spirit of the Word of Wisdom. Mormons have been commanded in modern days not to use them because consuming anything—just as doing anything—that hinders the Holy Ghost from being with them or hurts them in any way is not pleasing to God. The former prophet, Gordon B. Hinckley, said,

I am convinced that [drug] use is an affront to God. He is our Creator. We are made in his image. These remarkable and wonderful bodies are His handiwork. Does anyone think that he can deliberately injure and impair his body without affronting its Creator? . . . Can anyone doubt that the taking of these mind- and body-destroying drugs is an act of unholiness? Does anyone think that the Spirit of God can dwell in the temple of the body when the body is defiled by these destructive elements? . . God grant you the strength to stand free from this enslavement and from the personal holocaust of destruction which inevitably follows. [1]
Drug users will not be in a condition in which the Holy Ghost can readily work with them, so they lose the protection, guidance, comfort, and knowledge the Holy Ghost provides. Boyd K. Packer, a Mormon apostle, said,

If we abuse our body with habit-forming substances, or misuse prescription drugs, we draw curtains which close off the light of spiritual communication. Narcotic addiction serves the design of the prince of darkness, for it disrupts the channel to the holy spirit of truth. . . . Addiction has the capacity to disconnect the human will and nullify moral agency. It can rob one the power to decide. [2]
Mormons have many experiences that convince them of the importance of the presence of the Holy Ghost for their safety and welfare. To them, taking anything into their bodies that repels the Holy Ghost is like taking off a bullet-proof vest in a war zone.

Russell M. Nelson, an apostle who is also a physician, states that,
The noble attributes of reason, integrity, and dignity, which distinguish men and women from all other forms of life, are often the first to be attacked by drugs and alcohol. . . .We are free to take drugs or not, But once we choose to use a habit-forming drug, we are bound to the consequences of the choice. Addiction surrenders later freedom to choose. Through chemical means, one can literally become disconnected from his or her own will! [3]

Church statement medical marijuana
http://fox13now.com/2016/02/12/lds-chur ... marijuana/

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Sarah wrote: January 2nd, 2018, 2:18 pm The irony of liberals is that rather than wanting to regulate personal behavior that would in large part solve the problem of poverty and inequality, they want to solve the problem by regulating money and property. While this may help, we see that it generally causes those who receive money to abuse that priviledge and become more entrenched in irresponsible behavior, poverty, and inequality.

Generally conservatives are the opposite, wanting economic freedom while supporting restrictions on irresponsible behaviors. That's why I'm a conservative and not a libertarian.
Amen. The liberal playbook is to watch idly while people make avoidable mistakes, then rush in to save them from the consequences with taxpayer money. Conservatives teach self-restraint, prudence, and industriousness (ie: the tools to avoid mistakes and the solution to dignified correction).

Here's my take on marijuana legalization:

Insofar as our rights are derived from natural law (aka God's law), there is no right to self-harm. Whether ingestion of a substance violates natural law depends on the purpose and effects of ingestion. Recreational use of substances that degrade our mind or poison our bodies violates natural law. Legitimate medicinal use, of course, does not. Recreational use of marijuana, alcohol, tobacco, heroin, PCP, etc. are all violations of natural law.

While the law of the land should reflect our best understanding of natural law, it must take into account social mores in order to be effective. Prohibition, an admirable attempt to align terrestrial law with natural law, was a failure precisely because it violated a popular, accepted aspect of American life.

Liberals and libertarians often claim that recreational marijuana use is already socially acceptable and legalizing it merely puts our laws in line with social mores. This argument is overstated. Marijuana use is not nearly as prevalent as alcohol or tobacco use. 8.4% of American adults used marijuana in the past month vs 25.7% who smoked tobacco and 56% of Americans who drank.

Marijuana use is still viewed as deviant, juvenile behavior in a way that drinking and smoking are not. My concern is that legalization will elevate the social acceptability of marijuana use resulting in higher rates of usage. Since the legalize movement appears to be sweeping the nation, I can only hope that my intuition is wrong and social acceptance will lower use rates by making it less hip and cool.

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Spaced_Out wrote: January 6th, 2018, 1:45 pm
Rand wrote: January 4th, 2018, 7:17 pm Does Marijuana usage inhibit ones ability to feel and interact in a revelatory manner with the Spirit or the Holy Ghost?

If it does, and we have passed laws that limit the legal usage of it, if people followed those laws, would everyone be better off?

The laws don't work, in this case it seems to me because it isn't followed. Now, I am not in favor of government over reach, I'm just not sure that in this case it is over reach.
Very true. Legalize recreational drug use and there will be a marked increase in school droop out, as children will loose will and attention span, loose desire to be better, become reliant on medication to solve problems.
Number of traffic violations and deaths will dramatically increase, use of harder drugs will increase as cannabis is the gateway. Soon hospitals and public places will become to dangerous to use those facilities - it is a death spiral. Cities that have legalized cannabis use are now completely falling apart.
I posit that marijuana use might be "healthier" than cell phone use...

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JohnnyL wrote: January 7th, 2018, 9:08 am
Spaced_Out wrote: January 6th, 2018, 1:45 pm
Rand wrote: January 4th, 2018, 7:17 pm Does Marijuana usage inhibit ones ability to feel and interact in a revelatory manner with the Spirit or the Holy Ghost?

If it does, and we have passed laws that limit the legal usage of it, if people followed those laws, would everyone be better off?

The laws don't work, in this case it seems to me because it isn't followed. Now, I am not in favor of government over reach, I'm just not sure that in this case it is over reach.
Very true. Legalize recreational drug use and there will be a marked increase in school droop out, as children will loose will and attention span, loose desire to be better, become reliant on medication to solve problems.
Number of traffic violations and deaths will dramatically increase, use of harder drugs will increase as cannabis is the gateway. Soon hospitals and public places will become to dangerous to use those facilities - it is a death spiral. Cities that have legalized cannabis use are now completely falling apart.
I posit that marijuana use might be "healthier" than cell phone use...
I doubt that, but the spiritual damage is where the real problem is.. Mobil devises don't have associated spiritual problems unless used for bad things in the internet or as a distraction when driving.

Comparing one sin to anther then saying look this is not so bad so it is ok to do it --- ????????????????????

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Spaced_Out wrote: January 7th, 2018, 1:00 pm
JohnnyL wrote: January 7th, 2018, 9:08 am
Spaced_Out wrote: January 6th, 2018, 1:45 pm
Rand wrote: January 4th, 2018, 7:17 pm Does Marijuana usage inhibit ones ability to feel and interact in a revelatory manner with the Spirit or the Holy Ghost?

If it does, and we have passed laws that limit the legal usage of it, if people followed those laws, would everyone be better off?

The laws don't work, in this case it seems to me because it isn't followed. Now, I am not in favor of government over reach, I'm just not sure that in this case it is over reach.
Very true. Legalize recreational drug use and there will be a marked increase in school droop out, as children will loose will and attention span, loose desire to be better, become reliant on medication to solve problems.
Number of traffic violations and deaths will dramatically increase, use of harder drugs will increase as cannabis is the gateway. Soon hospitals and public places will become to dangerous to use those facilities - it is a death spiral. Cities that have legalized cannabis use are now completely falling apart.
I posit that marijuana use might be "healthier" than cell phone use...
I doubt that, but the spiritual damage is where the real problem is.. Mobil devises don't have associated spiritual problems unless used for bad things in the internet or as a distraction when driving.

Comparing one sin to anther then saying look this is not so bad so it is ok to do it --- ????????????????????
Not sure what the "associated spiritual problems" , "distraction when driving", have to do with things?
I submit that almost every child feels/ has felt spiritual damage through cell phones (and more), in multiple ways, over and over.

While maybe 1/5 in their later teens will smoke pot occasionally at the most, about 9/10 will not just have, but constantly use, from a very early age (less than 1 year old to temporary/ occasional exposure, to 11 years of many hours a day) one or more of the following: cell phones/ wifi/ big screen TV's/ violent video games/ etc. The physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual damage is real.

All the messed-up SJW's, flowerkids, etc., didn't come from marijuana...

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JohnnyL wrote: January 7th, 2018, 3:03 pm
Spaced_Out wrote: January 7th, 2018, 1:00 pm
JohnnyL wrote: January 7th, 2018, 9:08 am
Spaced_Out wrote: January 6th, 2018, 1:45 pm

Very true. Legalize recreational drug use and there will be a marked increase in school droop out, as children will loose will and attention span, loose desire to be better, become reliant on medication to solve problems.
Number of traffic violations and deaths will dramatically increase, use of harder drugs will increase as cannabis is the gateway. Soon hospitals and public places will become to dangerous to use those facilities - it is a death spiral. Cities that have legalized cannabis use are now completely falling apart.
I posit that marijuana use might be "healthier" than cell phone use...
I doubt that, but the spiritual damage is where the real problem is.. Mobil devises don't have associated spiritual problems unless used for bad things in the internet or as a distraction when driving.

Comparing one sin to anther then saying look this is not so bad so it is ok to do it --- ????????????????????
Not sure what the "associated spiritual problems" , "distraction when driving", have to do with things?
I submit that almost every child feels/ has felt spiritual damage through cell phones (and more), in multiple ways, over and over.

While maybe 1/5 in their later teens will smoke pot occasionally at the most, about 9/10 will not just have, but constantly use, from a very early age (less than 1 year old to temporary/ occasional exposure, to 11 years of many hours a day) one or more of the following: cell phones/ wifi/ big screen TV's/ violent video games/ etc. The physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual damage is real.

All the messed-up SJW's, flowerkids, etc., didn't come from marijuana...
It is two different issues. One can't argue LSD is worse than cannabis so it is ok to smoke cannabis. or cell phones are more long-term damaging than cannabis so it is ok to use. One sin being more damaging than another does not justify the sin. eg. opiods are worse so lets all get high on cannabis. If the objective is not to get high then why use it - what is the point..

On another note I disagree that cell phones are worse physical damage, they do little to no physical damage, and have many benefits of course need to be used in moderation.
There is no moderate use justification for cannabis, its use leads to breakdown in judgment and reservations, which leads to sexual problems etc.. Spiritual damage can be very severe. The addiction is much harder to deal with.

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Spaced_Out wrote: January 7th, 2018, 6:09 pm It is two different issues. One can't argue LSD is worse than cannabis so it is ok to smoke cannabis. or cell phones are more long-term damaging than cannabis so it is ok to use. One sin being more damaging than another does not justify the sin. eg. opiods are worse so lets all get high on cannabis. If the objective is not to get high then why use it - what is the point.
I just gotta say that it tickles me to see a participant in this discussion whose username is Spaced_Out. That is all.

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Silver wrote: January 7th, 2018, 6:59 pm
Spaced_Out wrote: January 7th, 2018, 6:09 pm It is two different issues. One can't argue LSD is worse than cannabis so it is ok to smoke cannabis. or cell phones are more long-term damaging than cannabis so it is ok to use. One sin being more damaging than another does not justify the sin. eg. opiods are worse so lets all get high on cannabis. If the objective is not to get high then why use it - what is the point.
I just gotta say that it tickles me to see a participant in this discussion whose username is Spaced_Out. That is all.
I am totally on the wrong side of the fence on this topic, perhaps a "past/previous life" experience that has led me to this knowledge. I had a previous account on LDSFF called WarMonger - too many nut job borderline apostates here - being on this forum is like entering a war zone - I expect the intensity is on par with the war that we fought in the preexistence.
I suppose I have gone from exasperation to being spaced-out, perhaps a few hallucinogens will give me the insight needed to comprehend justification for drug use and MMP etc…

On another note when researching this top there is a lot of apostate speculation that Joseph Smith used magic mushrooms hallucinogens etc. to come up with the BoM and other teachings.

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Spaced_Out wrote: January 7th, 2018, 6:09 pm
JohnnyL wrote: January 7th, 2018, 3:03 pm
Spaced_Out wrote: January 7th, 2018, 1:00 pm
JohnnyL wrote: January 7th, 2018, 9:08 am
I posit that marijuana use might be "healthier" than cell phone use...
I doubt that, but the spiritual damage is where the real problem is.. Mobil devises don't have associated spiritual problems unless used for bad things in the internet or as a distraction when driving.

Comparing one sin to anther then saying look this is not so bad so it is ok to do it --- ????????????????????
Not sure what the "associated spiritual problems" , "distraction when driving", have to do with things?
I submit that almost every child feels/ has felt spiritual damage through cell phones (and more), in multiple ways, over and over.

While maybe 1/5 in their later teens will smoke pot occasionally at the most, about 9/10 will not just have, but constantly use, from a very early age (less than 1 year old to temporary/ occasional exposure, to 11 years of many hours a day) one or more of the following: cell phones/ wifi/ big screen TV's/ violent video games/ etc. The physical, mental, emotional, and spiritual damage is real.

All the messed-up SJW's, flowerkids, etc., didn't come from marijuana...
It is two different issues. One can't argue LSD is worse than cannabis so it is ok to smoke cannabis. or cell phones are more long-term damaging than cannabis so it is ok to use. One sin being more damaging than another does not justify the sin. eg. opiods are worse so lets all get high on cannabis. If the objective is not to get high then why use it - what is the point..

On another note I disagree that cell phones are worse physical damage, they do little to no physical damage, and have many benefits of course need to be used in moderation.
There is no moderate use justification for cannabis, its use leads to breakdown in judgment and reservations, which leads to sexual problems etc.. Spiritual damage can be very severe. The addiction is much harder to deal with.
I'm not aware that anyone is arguing it's better, so it's okay to do.

References that marijuana addiction is much harder to deal with than cell phone addiction? (I've had to deal with the latter with others, and it can get violent, among other things.)

I know people who have moderate use of marijuana.
I know few people with smart phones (the majority of cell phone owners, especially youth) who use them in moderation. More like min. 5 hours/ day, average.

There is lots of physical damage from cell phones and wifi. The cell phone industry is the new tobacco company:
https://www.activistpost.com/2018/01/de ... -much.html
http://carelessscience.com/blog2017/big ... ts-common/
http://www.thedailysheeple.com/new-warn ... ons_012018
https://www.theepochtimes.com/what-cell ... 53535.html

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Spaced_Out wrote: January 7th, 2018, 7:56 pm
Silver wrote: January 7th, 2018, 6:59 pm
Spaced_Out wrote: January 7th, 2018, 6:09 pm It is two different issues. One can't argue LSD is worse than cannabis so it is ok to smoke cannabis. or cell phones are more long-term damaging than cannabis so it is ok to use. One sin being more damaging than another does not justify the sin. eg. opiods are worse so lets all get high on cannabis. If the objective is not to get high then why use it - what is the point.
I just gotta say that it tickles me to see a participant in this discussion whose username is Spaced_Out. That is all.
I am totally on the wrong side of the fence on this topic, perhaps a "past/previous life" experience that has led me to this knowledge. I had a previous account on LDSFF called WarMonger - too many nut job borderline apostates here - being on this forum is like entering a war zone - I expect the intensity is on par with the war that we fought in the preexistence.
I suppose I have gone from exasperation to being spaced-out, perhaps a few hallucinogens will give me the insight needed to comprehend justification for drug use and MMP etc…

On another note when researching this top there is a lot of apostate speculation that Joseph Smith used magic mushrooms hallucinogens etc. to come up with the BoM and other teachings.
I hear you. We've just about reached full-whacko stage here to even have to debate against such nonsense as MMP. For clarity, I am fully against recreational drug use. I am equally against, however, allowing the government any legislative/enforcement powers in the matter because they have proven themselves time and time again totally incapable of making the right decisions. To trust the government is to give one's OK for outrageous abuses of civil rights.

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Ultimate freedom is reserved for the Gods, those who have overcome all things and have proven the spirit is stronger than the natural man. It's obvious cell-phones and instant access to everything is too much for young people in particular. They can't balance it with other more holier pursuits. Let's at least place bans on porn and profanity.

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Now that the debate on this thread seems to be exhausted, I would hope we could all agree recreational smoking of mj is not a good thing for anyone. I want to throw this out there. I'm living in the marijuana utopia of western Washington FYI. Marijuana of all kinds everywhere. I thought that AFTER THE LEGALIZATION, marijuana would be regulated and the Mexican cartel presence that I know exists here, would be eliminated because they would be obsolete. To my surprise, the state and local government has gone after Chinese nationals who are developing massive inside grows, while leaving the cartel's mostly outside grows alone. It's also ironic that the workers are always let go as the officials look for the big fish and never find him or her. Then I notice that our federal government is planning to go after the states who have legalized pot, while promoting the building of the "WALL" between Mexico and the U.S. So I ask this question: Could the gadianton robbers in our government be playing a shell game with us? Could the feds be going after legalized weed to outlaw it, giving the Mexican cartels a pay off for giving us the Wall? I think the BOM prophecies outlining the end of the gentiles and their beat down by the young lion of Jacob are in process. I could be all wrong on this, but the war on drugs can't be won and there is no logical reason why the feds would be doing this. The feds don't care about morality or health, it's all about the money and political posturing. The cartel has suffered because of the legalization, but they have excellent networks and local production still in place and of course marijuana isn't the only thing they peddle, but I digress. The cartels also have embedded themselves in the USA, so leaving isn't even on their minds. Trump gets the win for the wall while it looks like Mexico is paying for it, in exchange for the cartel to go back to business as usual in all fifty states and the status quo is in equilibrium once again. I may not have the answer completely correct, but something just isn't right. But on April 1st, a van with Az license plates full of Spanish speakers will arrive at my neighbors farm, a big party will ensue that lasts a few days, strange people everywhere minus strange cars. The nationals go out to different unspecified locations on state, federal or other land not owned by them and plant a 1000 or so mj starts per plantation sometimes more. They are quite creative with their growing techniques. If law enforcement gets a tip, the nationals run away, the pot is sometimes seized sometimes not, making it possible for the Mexicans to come back later if possible. It's strange, but no one is ever charged or found. September 15 it's all over, another big fiesta is held, all the extras slink away and the neighborhood is quiet until next year. It's just all so convenient and happens like clockwork every year. It's just the strangest thing..... the local drug task force is fully aware..... but only Chinese nationals grow pot that gets busted. I would love to know what you all think of my conspiracy theory..... so please comment.

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Silver wrote: January 7th, 2018, 8:21 pm I hear you. We've just about reached full-whacko stage here to even have to debate against such nonsense as MMP. For clarity, I am fully against recreational drug use. I am equally against, however, allowing the government any legislative/enforcement powers in the matter because they have proven themselves time and time again totally incapable of making the right decisions. To trust the government is to give one's OK for outrageous abuses of civil rights.
If all laws relating to cannabis were to be removed...!!, what is stopping people growing it like crazy in their backyards and going around the neighbourhood and handing it out for free to all people of all ages. It is real easy to grow.
There are very many people who have the "rastafarian" religious outlook on cannabis and think if everybody smokes the stuff then there will be world peace. Cannabis would be like porn found everywhere and be basically free, yeah the cannabis drug dealers would eventually disappear like the modern porn industry - but the dealers of harder drugs would make a killing as it is a gateway drug for harder stuff, and many other social ills.

The immorality of people have gone so far that just laws can no longer be applied. The pride cycle has hit it's crescendo and the people are ripe for destruction.

Helaman 5:3
3 Yea, and this was not all; they were a stiffnecked people, insomuch that they could not be governed by the law nor justice, save it were to their destruction.

Alma 10:19
19 Yea, well did Mosiah say, who was our last king, when he was about to deliver up the kingdom, having no one to confer it upon, causing that this people should be governed by their own voices—yea, well did he say that if the time should come that the voice of this people should achoose iniquity, that is, if the time should come that this people should fall into transgression, they would be ripe for destruction.

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Spaced_Out wrote: January 8th, 2018, 1:59 am
Silver wrote: January 7th, 2018, 8:21 pm I hear you. We've just about reached full-whacko stage here to even have to debate against such nonsense as MMP. For clarity, I am fully against recreational drug use. I am equally against, however, allowing the government any legislative/enforcement powers in the matter because they have proven themselves time and time again totally incapable of making the right decisions. To trust the government is to give one's OK for outrageous abuses of civil rights.
If all laws relating to cannabis were to be removed...!!, what is stopping people growing it like crazy in their backyards and going around the neighbourhood and handing it out for free to all people of all ages. It is real easy to grow.
There are very many people who have the "rastafarian" religious outlook on cannabis and think if everybody smokes the stuff then there will be world peace. Cannabis would be like porn found everywhere and be basically free, yeah the cannabis drug dealers would eventually disappear like the modern porn industry - but the dealers of harder drugs would make a killing as it is a gateway drug for harder stuff, and many other social ills.

The immorality of people have gone so far that just laws can no longer be applied. The pride cycle has hit it's crescendo and the people are ripe for destruction.

Helaman 5:3
3 Yea, and this was not all; they were a stiffnecked people, insomuch that they could not be governed by the law nor justice, save it were to their destruction.

Alma 10:19
19 Yea, well did Mosiah say, who was our last king, when he was about to deliver up the kingdom, having no one to confer it upon, causing that this people should be governed by their own voices—yea, well did he say that if the time should come that the voice of this people should achoose iniquity, that is, if the time should come that this people should fall into transgression, they would be ripe for destruction.
Even if all laws were annulled, I don't believe the situation will be as bad as you describe. However, even if it were, I still think it better than the unrighteous dominion we've got under our current system. Agency, agency, agency.

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