How close do you think we are to the Cleansing of America?

[Z2100]

Define "cleansing of America"? I've heard that there is a hepatitis A scare in California these days, and that some cities are sending a cleaning crew to spray down certain public places with disinfectants, so if that's the cleansing that is referred to, then it is happening now, as I write this. (Of course, California is not the whole of America.)

This shouldn't need to be defined. We have ample prophecies from modern day prophets about an almost total societal collapse that will be accompanied by a second civil war. These events will destroy the greater works of evil, clearing the way for Zion to be built and the final preparations for the Second Coming.

The mass shootings are a sign that the beginning stages of the Cleansing of America have begun. The wicked will kill the wicked, but the good will also suffer...

I can see why you think that, but I have to disagree. The "Cleansing of America" isn't so much an event as it is something that is labeled for better understanding. Christ tells us that after we see the sign of the Abomination of Desolation the death will begin, but the wars and contentions preceding it are essentially business as usual, for the end is not yet, but by and by.

Also, in the next Abomination of Desolation, Jerusalem will be destroyed again, and then the temple will be rebuilt soon after. This could all take place during and after World War 3, in which isn't far away. We're ssooooo close to the tribulations and I can't take the suspense!

[Hivetyrant36]

This shouldn't need to be defined. We have ample prophecies from modern day prophets about an almost total societal collapse that will be accompanied by a second civil war. These events will destroy the greater works of evil, clearing the way for Zion to be built and the final preparations for the Second Coming.

The mass shootings are a sign that the beginning stages of the Cleansing of America have begun. The wicked will kill the wicked, but the good will also suffer...

I can see why you think that, but I have to disagree. The "Cleansing of America" isn't so much an event as it is something that is labeled for better understanding. Christ tells us that after we see the sign of the Abomination of Desolation the death will begin, but the wars and contentions preceding it are essentially business as usual, for the end is not yet, but by and by.

Also, in the next Abomination of Desolation, Jerusalem will be destroyed again, and then the temple will be rebuilt soon after. This could all take place during and after World War 3, in which isn't far away. We're ssooooo close to the tribulations and I can't take the suspense!

I know right! The waiting game is the hardest part. I believe that we will see an intense winter that will peak in 2021 that is combined with a plague. A few months ago I would have said that the cleansing would begin soon, but now, I say that the cleansing has begun. New disease from rats are beginning to infect humans, 70% crop losses this year alone, more seismic activity than ever before recorded. Look to the sky. If Nasa or any other space agency announces a planet or comet on a course for Earth, you will know that it is the sign of the coming of the Son of Man. The planet itself is the Abomination of Desolation.

[Benjamin_LK]

It could happen quickly at any time. But when you look at how sudden big disasters could happen. It gets even worse considering how a growing approval of rebellion against God exists in today’s world.

[oxbloodangel]

Short answer: not close enough!

Whoa. Let's slow down a bit here and take things slow and easy.

Whoever it is that thinks Utah is so corrupt has apparently never been to California.
dc

Man, that place is like a liberal lovefest

Utah be about like Cal in a few years.

This. I grew up in Arizona and went to college in Utah. Both states' people act like anyone from Cali is automatically so cool and worldly. Too much, we aspire to be like the great cities of the world. And that's exactly what Salt Lake got.

[Benjamin_LK]

No idea. I can, however, demonstrate how miserable is our current condition:

Republican Nominee: Donald J. Trump
Democratic Nominee: Hillary Clinton

If that's not a cry for "Please, God, wipe us off the earth" then I don't know what is. Seriously, what were the people of Sodom and Gomorrah doing? BBQing 5 year olds for the summer meals? My mind can't wrap around anything worse than what some people in our country are doing today, or at least what some in our country are making excuses for in other parts of the world.

I can see them building giant pits with bonfires where they toss thousands of people into these Fires before the full cleansing happens. Hey it happened on Ammonihah and implied to have happened in cities worthy of total destruction (Jacobugath, Zarahemlah, Kishkumen) at the time of Christ's death, I get the feeling that it will happen again.

[Hivetyrant36]

I mean, it doesn't even have to be a war. Volcanoes and earthquakes are growing more intense and the weeks pass by and the tectonic plates are being pushed and pulled more now than in our recorded history. ONE of the three supervolcanos in the USA would cleanse America. Combine that with the bitter cold of a grand solar minimum... we are talking food shortages, market volatility, economic catastrophe, power failures and the death of many many people as a result of each of these things, compounding upon each other. Zarahemla experienced something similar, and the dark vapor could easily have been volcanic dust. Valleys were made into mountains and vice versa.

Pay no attention to the rumors of wars. They are not the judgments of God.

I also must agree with Mr Anarchist. Every person can receive revelation. The problem is that people assume that every bit of publicized revelation means something to everybody, and people attach the "don't trust anything unless it was from an ordained prophet" label onto it. Also not helping the case are the books published about the end times, with fantastical stories of destruction and grace, all of which bear no real authority and merely use common tropes to seem genuine. I have not received a revelation of any war. Therefore it must not be important in my life, or it must not happen.

[dafty]

I mean, it doesn't even have to be a war. Volcanoes and earthquakes are growing more intense and the weeks pass by and the tectonic plates are being pushed and pulled more now than in our recorded history. ONE of the three supervolcanos in the USA would cleanse America. Combine that with the bitter cold of a grand solar minimum... we are talking food shortages, market volatility, economic catastrophe, power failures and the death of many many people as a result of each of these things, compounding upon each other. Zarahemla experienced something similar, and the dark vapor could easily have been volcanic dust. Valleys were made into mountains and vice versa.

Pay no attention to the rumors of wars. They are not the judgments of God.

I also must agree with Mr Anarchist. Every person can receive revelation. The problem is that people assume that every bit of publicized revelation means something to everybody, and people attach the "don't trust anything unless it was from an ordained prophet" label onto it. Also not helping the case are the books published about the end times, with fantastical stories of destruction and grace, all of which bear no real authority and merely use common tropes to seem genuine. I have not received a revelation of any war. Therefore it must not be important in my life, or it must not happen.

U said:

pay no attention to the rumours of war.They are NOT judgements of God

Really?
Isaiah 10
5 Hail the Assyrian, the rod of my anger!He is a staff—my wrath in their hand.
6 I will commission him against a godless nation,appoint him over the peopledeserving of my vengeance,to pillage for plunder, to spoliate for spoil,to tread underfoot like mud in the streets.
7 Nevertheless, it shall not seem so to him;this shall not be what he has in mind.His purpose shall be to annihilateand to exterminate nations not a few.

So the left arm of The Lord is commissioned by God. The Assyrian, The Latter day Archtyrant(not to b confused with Lds Antichrist...although sometimes I do wonder lol)
So Id say, if Isaiah is right there will be war.just saying x

[brianj]

pay no attention to the rumours of war.They are NOT judgements of God

Really?
Isaiah 10
5 Hail the Assyrian, the rod of my anger!He is a staff—my wrath in their hand.
6 I will commission him against a godless nation,appoint him over the peopledeserving of my vengeance,to pillage for plunder, to spoliate for spoil,to tread underfoot like mud in the streets.
7 Nevertheless, it shall not seem so to him;this shall not be what he has in mind.His purpose shall be to annihilateand to exterminate nations not a few.

So the left arm of The Lord is commissioned by God. The Assyrian, The Latter day Archtyrant(not to b confused with Lds Antichrist...although sometimes I do wonder lol)
So Id say, if Isaiah is right there will be war.just saying x

I'm going to side with Hivetyrant. Wars are not judgements of God. Wars are a consequence of the judgement of God.

I believe, though I readily concede that I could be wrong, that the judgement of God is the withdrawal of His Spirit and blessings. When this happens, people are left to themselves and have no divine mitigation of the consequences of our actions. When the Nephites were destroyed, when the Jaredites were nearly destroyed in Ether 9, and when they were destroyed at the end of Ether's record, God didn't cause war to happen. God just withdrew His blessings and allowed the war to happen.

God doesn't need to cause things to happen to reveal those events to Isaiah or anybody else, God isn't going to cause an antichrist to rise or make war on the saints; He will just allow it to happen for His purposes just as He shows those future events to certain people.

[dafty]

pay no attention to the rumours of war.They are NOT judgements of God

Really?
Isaiah 10
5 Hail the Assyrian, the rod of my anger!He is a staff—my wrath in their hand.
6 I will commission him against a godless nation,appoint him over the peopledeserving of my vengeance,to pillage for plunder, to spoliate for spoil,to tread underfoot like mud in the streets.
7 Nevertheless, it shall not seem so to him;this shall not be what he has in mind.His purpose shall be to annihilateand to exterminate nations not a few.

So the left arm of The Lord is commissioned by God. The Assyrian, The Latter day Archtyrant(not to b confused with Lds Antichrist...although sometimes I do wonder lol)
So Id say, if Isaiah is right there will be war.just saying x

I'm going to side with Hivetyrant. Wars are not judgements of God. Wars are a consequence of the judgement of God.

I believe, though I readily concede that I could be wrong, that the judgement of God is the withdrawal of His Spirit and blessings. When this happens, people are left to themselves and have no divine mitigation of the consequences of our actions. When the Nephites were destroyed, when the Jaredites were nearly destroyed in Ether 9, and when they were destroyed at the end of Ether's record, God didn't cause war to happen. God just withdrew His blessings and allowed the war to happen.

God doesn't need to cause things to happen to reveal those events to Isaiah or anybody else, God isn't going to cause an antichrist to rise or make war on the saints; He will just allow it to happen for His purposes just as He shows those future events to certain people.

So how do you explain Isaiah calling him Lords arm? not saying The Lord tells him directly to- say, torture people etc. but certainly uses him as a Rod of chastisment.
Additionally, how do you explain existence of the divine destroyer?
Obviously, I am not calling God a warmonger, however, I do not believe its all clean cut as the statement

pay no attention to the rumours of war.They are NOT judgements of God

may suggest x

[Alaris]

pay no attention to the rumours of war.They are NOT judgements of God

Really?
Isaiah 10
5 Hail the Assyrian, the rod of my anger!He is a staff—my wrath in their hand.
6 I will commission him against a godless nation,appoint him over the peopledeserving of my vengeance,to pillage for plunder, to spoliate for spoil,to tread underfoot like mud in the streets.
7 Nevertheless, it shall not seem so to him;this shall not be what he has in mind.His purpose shall be to annihilateand to exterminate nations not a few.

So the left arm of The Lord is commissioned by God. The Assyrian, The Latter day Archtyrant(not to b confused with Lds Antichrist...although sometimes I do wonder lol)
So Id say, if Isaiah is right there will be war.just saying x

I'm going to side with Hivetyrant. Wars are not judgements of God. Wars are a consequence of the judgement of God.

I believe, though I readily concede that I could be wrong, that the judgement of God is the withdrawal of His Spirit and blessings. When this happens, people are left to themselves and have no divine mitigation of the consequences of our actions. When the Nephites were destroyed, when the Jaredites were nearly destroyed in Ether 9, and when they were destroyed at the end of Ether's record, God didn't cause war to happen. God just withdrew His blessings and allowed the war to happen.

God doesn't need to cause things to happen to reveal those events to Isaiah or anybody else, God isn't going to cause an antichrist to rise or make war on the saints; He will just allow it to happen for His purposes just as He shows those future events to certain people.

So how do you explain Isaiah calling him Lords arm? not saying The Lord tells him directly to- say, torture people etc. but certainly uses him as a Rod of chastisment.
Additionally, how do you explain existence of the divine destroyer?
Obviously, I am not calling God a warmonger, however, I do not believe its all clean cut as the statement

pay no attention to the rumours of war.They are NOT judgements of God

may suggest x

“He commenced, and again related the very same things which he had done at his first visit, without the least variation; which having done, he informed me of great judgments which were coming upon the earth, with great desolations by famine, sword, and pestilence; and that these grievous judgments would come on the earth in this generation. Having related these things, he again ascended as he had done before." ~ Joseph Smith

Whether indirectly or not, the sword is a judgement of God

[gardener4life]

The baring of the Lord's arm can have two meanings; it can mean punishments or judgments yes. But for the righteous it means him showing forth miracles and his power open to save his people. Hope that helps. Isn't it interesting that which meaning it refers to can be whether you are repentant and obedient or...not.

[dafty]

So how do you explain Isaiah calling him Lords arm? not saying The Lord tells him directly to- say, torture people etc. but certainly uses him as a Rod of chastisment.
Additionally, how do you explain existence of the divine destroyer?
Obviously, I am not calling God a warmonger, however, I do not believe its all clean cut as the statement

pay no attention to the rumours of war.They are NOT judgements of God

may suggest x

Isaiah doesn't call the Assyrian the Lord's arm in Isaiah 10.

Also, regarding the divine destroyer, the kingdom of God is literally a kingdom, right? So, it's got a King (God the Father) who gives the laws of the kingdom and an Heir to the throne (God's Son), who represents God's mercy, but a king has all three branches of governmental authority, right? So, legislative, judicial and executive power is all vested in the Father. But no king that judges someone that pertains to his kingdom goes out and executes the law himself. He's got servants who go and do his will, right? The king just gives the law and judges all things, and when people break his law, then the king's justice comes upon them and they suffer the penalty. The king doesn't descend from his throne and grab the transgressor himself, but tells his servants to seize the evil-doer and throw him in the dungeon or remove his property from him or arrange for him to be executed. And on the day of execution, the king himself doesn't pick up the sword or axe and cut the criminal's head off, right? No, he delegates that responsibility to one person. All other servants serve as ministers and guards and whatnot, but there is only one royal executioner, right? The royal executioner is special. He just applies the letter of the law, no matter who or what it applies to, without any mercy, whatsoever. So, historically, the royal executioners of the various kingdoms were men (and sometimes women) who ended up killing and torturing hundreds and even thousands of people, by their own hands. Sometimes they even ended up executing the king himself! These guys were the ones, then, who applied the penalty of the law. All other servants were merely assistants.

God Himself, of course, has power and authority to do this work Himself, but no kingdom operates that way. Kings delegate their powers and authority to others, who then perform the work for them, as proxies for the king. So, God does this stuff vicariously, just as He does everything else.

This then explains the existence of a divine destroyer. He is merely God's royal executioner. However, once the destroying angel descends from on high to the earth and is born of a woman (which has already happened), who executes? During the time the destroyer is on earth, in his probationary period, do the executions stop? Do the curses cease? Does the work of destruction stop? Perhaps. But God also has power to assign another as a temporary royal executioner, in the destroyer's absence. The description of the Assyrian by Isaiah is actually a fairly close match for the destroying angel, except that this "temporary Assyrian destroyer" is not destroying to do God's will, and to give Him honor, but merely because he likes to destroy things. In other words, although the Assyrian is patterned in his deeds after the divine destroyer, his heart is patterned after the demonic destroyer. So, after God uses him, the Assyrian gets destroyed, too.

But even if the executions and curses stop while the destroyer is on earth, we see that after he resumes his position as God's divine rod of power, the curses go forth, per Zechariah chapter 5:

Then said he,

These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.

(Zechariah 4:14)

Then I turned, and lifted up mine eyes, and looked, and behold a flying roll. And he said unto me,

What seest thou?

And I answered,

I see a flying roll; the length thereof is twenty cubits, and the breadth thereof ten cubits.

Then said he unto me,

This is the curse that goeth forth over the face of the whole earth: for every one that stealeth shall be cut off as on this side according to it; and every one that sweareth shall be cut off as on that side according to it.

I will bring it forth,

saith the Lord of hosts,

and it shall enter into the house of the thief, and into the house of him that sweareth falsely by my name: and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof.

(Zechariah 5:1-4)

So, the Lord of the whole earth appears (the Josephite, who is the destroying angel), getting out of his box, and immediately afterward Zechariah sees curses going forth, showing that the destroyer resumes his position. But at some point, he becomes the root, which is salvific, and during that time that he is the root, the Lord needs a new temporary destroyer, right? Hence the use of the Assyrian.

I did not say The Assyrian is called the arm in 10th chapter.I said Isaiah. I quoted 10th chapter to show that war/sword as Alaris pointed out is sometimes used by God in judgement. If you wish to question arm=Assyrian, I shall refer u to isaiah explained by gileadi and his apocalyptic commentary. thanks

[dafty]

So how do you explain Isaiah calling him Lords arm?

Isaiah doesn't call the Assyrian the Lord's arm in Isaiah 10.

I did not say The Assyrian is called the arm in 10th chapter.I said Isaiah. I quoted 10th chapter to show that war/sword as Alaris pointed out is sometimes used by God in judgement. If you wish to question arm=Assyrian, I shall refer u to isaiah explained by gileadi and his apocalyptic commentary. thanks

So, you were saying that Isaiah called the Assyrian the left arm of the Lord in another chapter? ('Cause I looked for "arm" in that chapter, and it ain't there.) Or are you saying that Gileadi says that Isaiah's description of the Assyrian in chapter 10=God's left arm? Or, perhaps you are saying that Gileadi says that Isaiah's description of the "arm of the Lord" or of the "holy arm of the Lord," mentioned in other chapters, refers to the Assyrian?

what I am saying is - stop smelling ur own farts and if you want to prove me wrong, read isaiah explained(from start to finish) first and then get back to me...

[dafty]

lucky im not an apostle Peter then lol but then Im not here to convert anyone either...but yes u r right-im basing my understanding of Isaiah,vastly, on what Gileadi wrote. Furthermore, I believe him to have a special God given talent/gift of knowledge. There I said it, If he is wrong so am I.

[dafty]

Ps. and u r wrong too- Im not unable to explain it- im just as lazy as u(i bet lazier than ) lol and cant be bothered to copy paste nor write...but its there, anyone that read his online page can confirm that...Assyrian is even called a rod yet aint the d&c113 rod of jesse...no, im defo not bothered to write no m o r e . . .

[Hivetyrant36]

I mean, it doesn't even have to be a war. Volcanoes and earthquakes are growing more intense and the weeks pass by and the tectonic plates are being pushed and pulled more now than in our recorded history. ONE of the three supervolcanos in the USA would cleanse America. Combine that with the bitter cold of a grand solar minimum... we are talking food shortages, market volatility, economic catastrophe, power failures and the death of many many people as a result of each of these things, compounding upon each other. Zarahemla experienced something similar, and the dark vapor could easily have been volcanic dust. Valleys were made into mountains and vice versa.

Pay no attention to the rumors of wars. They are not the judgments of God.

I also must agree with Mr Anarchist. Every person can receive revelation. The problem is that people assume that every bit of publicized revelation means something to everybody, and people attach the "don't trust anything unless it was from an ordained prophet" label onto it. Also not helping the case are the books published about the end times, with fantastical stories of destruction and grace, all of which bear no real authority and merely use common tropes to seem genuine. I have not received a revelation of any war. Therefore it must not be important in my life, or it must not happen.

U said:

pay no attention to the rumours of war.They are NOT judgements of God

Really?
Isaiah 10
5 Hail the Assyrian, the rod of my anger!He is a staff—my wrath in their hand.
6 I will commission him against a godless nation,appoint him over the peopledeserving of my vengeance,to pillage for plunder, to spoliate for spoil,to tread underfoot like mud in the streets.
7 Nevertheless, it shall not seem so to him;this shall not be what he has in mind.His purpose shall be to annihilateand to exterminate nations not a few.

So the left arm of The Lord is commissioned by God. The Assyrian, The Latter day Archtyrant(not to b confused with Lds Antichrist...although sometimes I do wonder lol)
So Id say, if Isaiah is right there will be war.just saying x

Sorry I can tend to be vague in my explanations. What I mean is that the current warmongering and threats to go to war with other countries RIGHT NOW are not judgments of God. The Lamanites basically existed to be judgment bearers, so I am indeed aware of the use of "gentiles" to inflict wrath on unfaithful nations. The current war narrative is being orchestrated by modern gadianton robbers.

[dafty]

Ps. and u r wrong too- Im not unable to explain it- im just as lazy as u(i bet lazier than ) lol and cant be bothered to copy paste nor write...but its there, anyone that read his online page can confirm that...Assyrian is even called a rod yet aint the d&c113 rod of jesse...no, im defo not bothered to write no m o r e . . .

Lazier? Ah, but you've read Gileadi's book. I haven't.

According to Gileadi, the rod of Isaiah 11 and D&C 113 is Joseph Smith:

There exists a Midrash, or handed-down tradition, in Jewish literature that speaks of one man who would die for all mankind; but I ask, how could such an act be valid except by a covenant made with God on behalf of all men? And again, to be valid, witnesses were necessary who should testify concerning the event. The prophet Isaiah actually distinguishes three separate messianic personages when he writes: “And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots.” (Isa. 11:1.) Doctrine and Covenants, section 113, explains that the Stem of Jesse is Jesus Christ. [D&C 113]

From a careful identification of the subject of verse 4 (D&C 113:4), I learned that the “rod spoken of, that should come out of the Stem of Jesse,” is the Prophet Joseph Smith, and that he may fit the description of “Messiah the son of Joseph,” concerning whom there is an ancient but well-known tradition in Judaism, that he will precede “Messiah the son of David” and be slain in a war against the forces of evil. (From "A New Life," by Avraham Gileadi, published in the July 1973 issue of The New Era.)

So, dafty, do you agree with Gileadi here that the rod is Joseph Smith?

lol i was not aware of that book x And no I do not agree with that statement.As I said, Im basing my understanding of Isaiah- vastly(not entirely) on his Isaiah Explained website/blog. It gives great insight, from a jewish rabbi perspective/"manner of the jews" that I could never figure out myself.Going back to rod being JS- well, he must have changed his mind since 1973 cause he clearly states nowdays that rod is a future Davidic Servant that will gather people to Zion. I guess his gift of knowledge and discerment is subject to change lol...similar to yours mind . Now, since we're bashing him and trying to discredit his writings(or are u trying to kill 2 birds with 1 stone and drag all his readers down with him? lol) Gileadi says ROD=Root, which I completely disagree with.he also said at one of his recent firesides that DS is from USA, which I also question. He also said once that we should respect the jews for their knowledge because 'they got 95% of their scripture prophecies right-they only got The Saviour wrong'(paraphrase) lol well, obviously I do not share this opinion with him either. Basically what Im saying here is that Im well aware of his shortcomings and my faith in the gospel isnt based on what he says. But the idea that Isaiah is the book written for latter days and that Assyrian is most likely russian that obama was later day pharoah, that Lords arm is DS, that 'righteousness'is DS, bird of prey is DS, Cyrus ...etc.So if thats all rubbish then yeah, well, I have been complately deceived.
PS. speaking of lazy. I only read. U write....and I bet read loads as well, its just as Johny Rotten ur playin cool and pretend to be lazy coz ud have to change ur nickname otherwise

[mcusick]

"America" will not be cleansed, it will fully end (D&C 87:6).

[gardener4life]

That's why we stay tied to Zion. Zion won't end, no matter what happens to the rest of the world (although some may separate themselves from it.) It's in the scriptures that the Lord won't allow Zion to be thwarted or destroyed (but some will be chastened...ugh hope that part isn't me...). (These statements are scripturally sound, but based on obedience.)

I think Elder Ballard knows a lot more than what he lets on. Have you noticed he keeps referencing stay in the good ship Zion and things like that? He clarifies and calls it a moving vessel moving towards a destination in several talks. He is unafraid to say what's right because of what the world thinks. It's very cool.

[dafty]

Gileadi says ROD=Root, which I completely disagree with.

Gileadi is correct on this point. The rod of Jesse and the root of Jesse are one and the same person.

he also said at one of his recent firesides that DS is from USA, which I also question.

Once again, Gileadi is right on this point. The rod/root is from the USA.

But the idea that Isaiah is the book written for latter days and that Assyrian is most likely russian that obama was later day pharoah, that Lords arm is DS, that 'righteousness'is DS, bird of prey is DS, Cyrus ...etc.So if thats all rubbish then yeah, well, I have been complately deceived.

"Isaiah is the book written for latter days" - Pretty much everyone believes this. In other words, "Duh!"
"Assyrian is most likely russian" - I haven't looked into this.
"obama was later day pharoah" - Not a chance of being true: we ain't in the end times, yet.
"Lord's arm is DS" - The Josephite is (one of) the arms of the Lord, so sure.
"'righteousness' is DS" - This is Gileadi's personal interpretation. I'm too lazy to comment on it.
"bird of prey is DS" - The Josephite is the bird of prey, so this is correct.
"Cyrus" - The end times Cyrus is the Josephite, as well as the end times Zerubbabel and so on...

So, some of it is rubbish, some of it is correct, some of it is (as yet) unknown, some of it is speculation and some of it is overly simplified. In other words, you have only been partially deceived.

thank u for enlighteningme master shifu

[dafty]

if u watch kung fu panda ud know what I meant lol

[gardener4life]

OK I had the most interesting thought today.

You recall that we've had 3 major @#$ kicker hurricanes hit us. Houston and Harris county 2.8 million affected. Puerto Rico, also the whole island affected (3.4 million), and state of Florida over 20 million for the whole state. And I don't have a figure on the % of Florida affected by that hurricane but we know it was like a HUGE chunk of the state.

And without really thinking about that I ran into a very interesting Book of Mormon verse today.

1 Nephi 18:15 And it came to pass that we were about to be swallowed up in the depths of the sea. And after we had been driven back upon the waters for the space of four days, my brethren began to see that the judgments of God were upon them, and that they must perish save that they should repent of their iniquities; wherefore, they came unto me, and loosed the bands which were upon my wrists, and behold they had swollen exceedingly; and also mine ankles were much swollen, and great was the soreness thereof.

OK, so ...Laman and Lemuel could be called the two stooges you know. They always rebelled. They couldn't help themselves. But when it got really, really bad they thought finally...'this is bad. Holy ----, we're ----ed. We better get Nephi to fix this or we're doomed.'

We aren't even doing that. People are so prideful they are like...it must be aliens or a weapon, it couldn't be God. But Nephi's boat was ready to be drowned until they were going to recognize the hand of God in their lives. And we can't even do that much. Isn't that something? So are we going to be willing to repent or not? I couldn't help but think that scripture is a good way to describe right now in a way. How can we not think like the same? Or will we wait for it to be too late? We even have the same elements at work here; disobedient rebellious children (citizens of our country), and the untamable sea.

[brianj]

OK, so ...Laman and Lemuel could be called the two stooges you know. They always rebelled. They couldn't help themselves. But when it got really, really bad they thought finally...'this is bad. Holy ----, we're ----ed. We better get Nephi to fix this or we're doomed.'

We aren't even doing that. People are so prideful they are like...it must be aliens or a weapon, it couldn't be God. But Nephi's boat was ready to be drowned until they were going to recognize the hand of God in their lives. And we can't even do that much. Isn't that something? So are we going to be willing to repent or not? I couldn't help but think that scripture is a good way to describe right now in a way. How can we not think like the same? Or will we wait for it to be too late? We even have the same elements at work here; disobedient rebellious children (citizens of our country), and the untamable sea.

Interesting thought, one that I have contemplated. And my answer is: it depends on who you mean by "we."

The nation as a whole will not repent. They will not believe for a second that God is causing or allowing these calamities, they will not repent, and most will not call on God to save them. But some will curse God as they face death, even though they claim they don't believe in Him.

The church as a whole will not repent. Take a close look and see how many people are willing to attend a ward temple night, go help someone who needs assistance at their home, help clean the church meetinghouse, or help someone move in. Watch what happens at ward activities when help is needed cleaning up: on a good day 10% of the attendees are willing to pitch in. I know a lot of people who can't even be bothered to say hi to a home or visiting teaching assignment once a month at church.

But some people will repent. Enough people will repent when times are good and continue repenting through coming tribulations. Other church members will repent when conditions are so bad that they are compelled to repent. When we have events where two men are in a field and one is taken, etc., many of the survivors will repent - but this will be when it's too late to stop the sinking of the ship and people are trying to survive the shipwreck. These will be enough people to preach the gospel to the less wicked people who survive what's coming and bring the works of God preparatory to the Second Coming to fruition.

[James-T-Prout]

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Going back to the original question: "How close do you think we are to the Cleansing of America?"

This phrase the "Cleansing of America" comes from W. Cleon Skousen's manuscript that was published posthumously by his family in around 2008, after the financial crises.

See my review of W. Cleon's Skousen's work here: http://www.lastdaystimeline.com/cleon-skousen/



Cleon said that the downfall of America itself would come after a political collapse and an economic collapse that the FED and Government would keep putting band-aid after band-aid on it to help it along.

In 2008, his family must have thought "this was it". And I can say that it did feel like "it" at the time. But, all large market downturns feel like "the big one". In 2008, the prepper movement was re-birthed in a large way.

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Now onto the question of "when will America be Cleansed".

From my scriptural research there is going to be 2 large downturns ahead of us. Not just one.

1. One immediately ahead to bring America and Europe down at the same time. This will be the start of the 4th Beast Kingdom of the Gentiles. As the 3 Eagle Heads awake to build it. This will be a giant political and economic problem.


It will be started by 3 wicked organizations as the 3 awakened Eagle Heads place a man of their own, into the Presidency of the United States.


This happens after the current Presidents of Donald Trump and Mike Pence +2 more short Presidents.


This material is recorded in the Ezra's Eagle Prophecy, that can be read here:
Here with the explanations: https://www.lastdaystimeline.com/free-chapters/

Here directly from the Apocrypha: https://www.kingjamesbibleonline.org/2- ... hapter-11/

2. The Second downturn will be The END of America in it's current state with Secret Combinations running the show. It will be OVER for them. At this time in the future, there will be the 2nd American Civil War. The BIG Plague. and Large Earthquakes.

The Eagle Kingdom will be pretty messed up, by the time it finally goes down. The final death blow to the Eagle Kingdom comes from The Lion Kingdom that is hidden up, to do this very thing of freeing the meek and oppressed people from under this Eagle Kingdom's oppression.



The timing for these prophecies to be fulfilled is the exact time the Restoration of the US Constitution is to happen. The Ezra's Eagle Prophecy shows this exact language that the Constitution will be restored at that time, just after the Lion Kingdom frees the people.



This outline is just a small part of The Last Days Timeline.

There is much more detail on the Timing of these events located in the Free Chapters here: https://www.lastdaystimeline.com/free-chapters/

[Alaris]

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2. The Second downturn will be The END of America in it's current state with Secret Combinations running the show. It will be OVER for them. At this time in the future, there will be the 2nd American Civil War. The BIG Plague. and Large Earthquakes.

The Eagle Kingdom will be pretty messed up, by the time it finally goes down. The final death blow to the Eagle Kingdom comes from The Lion Kingdom that is hidden up, to do this very thing of freeing the meek and oppressed people from under this Eagle Kingdom's oppression.



The timing for these prophecies to be fulfilled is the exact time the Restoration of the US Constitution is to happen. The Ezra's Eagle Prophecy shows this exact language that the Constitution will be restored at that time, just after the Lion Kingdom frees the people.



This outline is just a small part of The Last Days Timeline.

There is much more detail on the Timing of these events located in the Free Chapters here: https://www.lastdaystimeline.com/free-chapters/

Could the plague be the BIG plague?
http://time.com/5008022/madagascar-plag ... -to-know/

If there were a scarcity of antibiotics due to war and an airborne plague outbreak... *shivers*

Also the Book Of Mormon was written for our days and essentially has sections on "how to deal with gadiantons." So, it makes sense to me that the genesis of the Lion Kingdom would be from LDS. Oh and the Davidic Servant is from the USA. Sorry Dafty (I couldn't resist.)