9/23/17- The mother of all threads

[Z2100]

What is supposed to happen on September 23?
On September 23, there is supposed to be a LITERAL fulfillment of Revelation 12. It is said to be the day of: the end of the times of the gentiles, or the re-birth of the kingdom of God, or the ascension of the Davidic servant into heaven.

Where will this sign occur?
This sign will be seen all across the world on September 23. Especially Jerusalem

Has this sign ever occurred before?
This sign has been fulfilled two times before. One at the birth of Jesus Christ and the other in 1833.

Revelation 12
1 And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
3 And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
4 And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
5 And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.
6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days

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1 Thessalonians 5:3
3 "For when they shall say, Peace and safety;
then sudden destruction cometh upon them,
as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape."
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Revelation 12 sign
Verse 1 - the stars will be positioned in Virgo fulfilling this on September 23, 2017
Fall - harvest time - the time of judgement
(the last time this happened was about 7,000 years ago). does this sound symbolic? It’s the Earth's temporal existence.
and verse 2 - The beginning of The Great tribulation starts? 1 day after Yom Teruah the Day of Trumpets.
(1 Thessalonians 5:3)
3 "For when they shall say, Peace and safety;then sudden destruction cometh upon them,
as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.")
verse 5 - the "man child". is the Davidic prophet whom the dragon wants to destroy as soon as he appears. (verse 3-4)
verse 6 - "the woman" is the righteous remnant, "where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days." (or 3 and a half years)= the time the beast has power and the duration of the tribulation.

The Woman: The Church (of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints)
The Man-child:The (political) Kingdom of God

Isaiah 35
1 The wilderness and the solitary place shall be glad for them; and the desert shall rejoice, and blossom as the rose.
2 It shall blossom abundantly, and rejoice even with joy and singing: the glory of Lebanon shall be given unto it, the excellency of Carmel and Sharon, they shall see the glory of the Lord, and the excellency of our God.

Then it would be at this next fulfillment in 2017 where the woman is given eagle wings to fly to safety in the wilderness. If that is the case, then the last part of this prophecy has yet to be fulfilled. The important point is that in spite of every effort of the dragon, those who repent and come unto Christ to become part of His Church will be saved (D&C 10:67).

Here are a list of three times this has occurred and also a list of three meanings of Revelation 12.
Verse five (from the King James Version) was moved to be before verse three (on the JST).

1. The dragon attacks/attacked the man-child soon after is born.
2. The woman is the Church of God or the mortal mother of Christ (Mary)
3. The manchild is the Kingdom of God (could also be the political Kingdom of God).
4. The twelve stars *could* represent the Twelve Apostles

Note that in the JST of Revelation, he interprets “wonders” as “signs” which indicates that the signs are either spiritual or physical in nature.
The Dragon (Draco) constellation contains ⅓ of the sky within the main coil of the tail.
In 1832, venus had taken the place of jupiter, but both symbolize Christ
1 Tishri is supposed to be a few days off on the traditional Hebrew Calendar.
The “Perpetual Hebrew Calendar” is supposed to be fixed version of the traditional Hebrew Calendar
Which means that 1 Tishri is supposed to be September 23
September 23 is the “holiest day” of the year, because its on 9 holy calendars, more than any day of the year.

1st Occurrence
In 1 BC, the birth of Christ

2nd Occurrence
In 1832, when the political Kingdom of God was born

3rd Occurrence
In 2017, the re-birth of the political Kingdom of God

September 23 can be considered a sign, but not the brilliant and great literal sign, just a dull shadow sign. It doesn't literally fulfill Revelation 12; it's just a shadow of the literal fulfillment, which happens later, after Elias stands up.
However, it may presage the appearance of Elias, letting the world know that we are about to move from the times of types and shadows, even from the time of Elias's shadow (Mormonism) into the flesh and blood Elias's time. Once Elias stands up, all the shadows cease. The prophecies reset. They start all over again, but this time everything is fulfilled literally.


Fun Facts about September 23:
1. September 23 is 33 days after the “Great American Eclipse” which took place on August 21. Christ was 33 years old when the preformed the atonement
2. September 23 is on nine holy sacred calendars from nine religions
3. This sign will be covered by the sun the whole day; even so the moon will be covered with the sunlight
4. September 22, 2017, the day before 23/9, it is the 190th anniversary of the beginning of the Times of The Gentiles in the last days

August 21st to September 23:
The birthing pains of the Virgin

It is within a very huge possibility that we could lose President Monson just days before 23/9 or even on the day.


JST of Revelation 12:

1 And there appeared a great sign in heaven, in the likeness of things on the earth; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars.
2 And the woman being with child, cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
3. And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron; and her child was caught up unto God and his throne.
4 And there appeared another sign in heaven; and behold, a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads. And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman which was delivered, ready to devour her child after it was born.
5 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she had a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore years.
6 And there was war in heaven; Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought against Michael;
7 And the dragon prevailed not against Michael, neither the child, nor the woman which was the church of God, who had been delivered of her pains, and brought forth the kingdom of our God and his Christ.
8 Neither was there place found in heaven for the great dragon, who was cast out; that old serpent called the devil, and also called Satan, which deceiveth the whole world; he was cast out into the earth; and his angels were cast out with him.
9 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ;
10 For the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
11 For they have overcome him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; for they loved not their own lives, but kept the testimony even unto death. Therefore, rejoice O heavens, and ye that dwell in them.
12 And after these things I heard another voice saying, Woe to the inhabiters of the earth, yea, and they who dwell upon the islands of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
13 For when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man-child.
14 Therefore, to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might flee into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
15 And the serpent casteth out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
16 And the earth helpeth the woman, and the earth openeth her mouth, and swalloweth up the flood which the dragon casteth out of his mouth.
17 Therefore, the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

AI2.0- LDS Astronomer's take on Sept. 23, 2017 celestial phenomenon

This is an article by John Pratt who gives his insights on this event which will happen in a couple of days. He also says that this sign was seen at the Feast of Trumpets in 2 BC (heralding the birth of the Messiah on April 6, 1 BC), 1832 (heralding the Birth of the political Kingdom of God the coming Passover)and it will happen Sept. 23, 2017. His conclusion is that because this sign comes on the Feast of Trumpets, it heralds an event which will happen in the next year.

Below is the text, but you might want go to the website to view the pictures that go with it.

http://www.johnpratt.com/items/docs/201 ... h_sun.html

ALARIS- The Davidic Servant, Revelation 12, and 9/23/2017

Friends,

I have created a blog. I did not want to, but as difficult as it is to format a blog, it's easier than doing it here and easier on the eyes than reading a lengthy forum post. So without further ado:

http://lordoftheseraphim.blogspot.com/2 ... aimer.html

So this blog is about the sign from Revelation 12 of the crowned woman clothed with the sun that seems to occur on 9/23/2017 and how it may be related to the anointing of the Davidic Servant. Enjoy!

ZION2080- September 23, 2017: Signs in the Heavens!

So I've read through some peoples thoughts and some websites. There is supposed to be a rare/great sign September 23, then the Moon will not shine and the stars will fall/not shine. Here are some websites explaining the event:


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http://escapeallthesethings.com/sept-20 ... lation-12/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

I am very intrigued by this, yet I believe that September 23rd will be a regular fall day.

But if the additional meteor shower does happen, most people won't know what it means except for us. I'll correct everything wrong I have done lately and hope for the best...

DURZAN- The Signs of the Marred Servant

With the Days of Tribulation almost upon us now, it seems clear to me the time is coming when the church will risk being torn apart by said corruption. We read that in Helaman and 3rd Nephi that it only took a few years for the church established among the nephites to go from being completely righteous to completely wicked... to the point where they were even stoning the prophets, and it all started with just a little bit of pride. Many here have pointed out that the Book of Mormon has a secondary purpose of acting as foreshadowing of our day... so, if that is the case then that means that one way or another, the Church itself is going to be in mortal peril. If our current leadership remains righteous, then they could very well be in significant danger from both the government and our own people in just the span of a few years. If they do not remain righteous, then it will cause a Great Schism within the church, and the church will be nearly torn asunder.

Yet the Lord will provide a way to weather the coming storm. The sign in the heavens that many of us have been discussing for the past couple of weeks (The one of the Virgin Giving Birth in Revelations 12) is one of the signs of way which the Lord will provide to signal the way for us to weather the coming days. The sign on 9/23 speaks of the coming of a young man who will be a forbearer to the Lord's second coming, even as John the Baptist was a forbearer to Christ's mortal ministry. This man is known by many names: the Josephite, the Archangel Raphael, Elias: the Son of the Morning, the Soul of Iron, The Last Prophet of the Last Dispensation, The Lord's Maverick, The Lord's Wild Card, and The Marred Servant.

The Marred Servant has several other signs and signature actions by which you can recognize him:
He was one of the Great and Noble ones in the Premortal Realm. His loyalty and closeness to Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ during the war in heaven earned him the title of Son of the Morning, taken from Lucifer when he was cast out. It is possible that the Marred Servant is actually the Archangel Raphael. (Personal Revelation revealed this... but I could also cite Abraham 3, as it seems to indicate that most prophets are chosen from among the Great and Noble Ones.)
He will be a descendant of Joseph or Hyrum Smith, and thus be a descendant of Joseph who was sold into Egypt. He will also have the blood of Judah flowing through his veins. For this reason he shall be called the Josephite. (Personal Revelation combined with an alternative interpretation of Isaiah 11:1-5, & D&C 113:3-6.)
He will take up the mantle of Joseph Smith, and finish what he started. At times, many will mistake him for being a resurrected Joseph Smith. Ultimately, this will result in the Restoration of All Things. For this reason he shall be called Elias. (Again, primary source is Personal Revelation. Related Scriptures would be dealing with Elias.)
He will break conventional thought, tradition, and culture within the church. His relationship with the Father is so strong that conventional thought within the church cannot adequately explain it. Thus he shall be called the Lord's Maverick and the Lord's Wild Card. (Personal Revelation talking about stuff that would baffle most members and turn our understanding of the gospel on its head. Conjecture: The marred servant is someone who destroys tradition and sets things right. See the point about one of his names/titles being Raphael.)
His faith and resolve will be unshakable... for this is the reason why he is known as the Soul of Iron. (Personal Revelation. Conjecture: you cannot do what he is going to do WITHOUT unshakable faith.)
His eyes shall burn with azure fire when he preaches the gospel. (Personal Revelation. Conjecture: It is well documented in scripture that some prophets sometimes go through a physical change that manages to evoke fear in the wicked. Nephi was one of these prophets, and so too was Joseph Smith. It is reasonable to assume that the Marred Servant would have a similar ability. Eyes that glow with a flaming blue light would be one of the changes brought upon by the spirit when he is preaching.)
His voice will be like a thundering lion to the wicked, while like a lamb to the righteous. In this voice will he urge many to repent. (Primarily personal revelation. But again, there are documented accounts in the scriptures of prophets speaking "in a loud voice," so this isn't entirely unprecedented either)
Many will heed his voice, but many more will reject him. (Conjecture: In a day where most of the world is wicked and will harden their hearts, curse God and die, it only stands to reason that he would be rejected by many. Backed up by passages in Revelation.)
He will be taught in the School of the Prophets, and will be legitimately ordained as an Apostle of the Lord. His ordination will seem to be a miracle to the body of the church. (Personal Revelation)
He shall cleanse the church of any and all corruption, and bring us out of condemnation if we haven't already. (Personal Revelation: This goes back to the prompting that I posted about a while ago... the one where I relay that the church will only be brought fully out of condemnation when a righteous descendant of Joseph or Hyrum leads us as the prophet. Can possibly be backed up by the scriptures that tell of Christ cleansing the temple of the money changers. See #12)
IF (and that is a big IF) the leadership ever falters or attempts to lead the church astray during his ministry, then he will risk excommunication to set things back on course. If that happens... expect him to stand directly before the Twelve and denounce them. Nevertheless, he will work within the bounds that the Lord set forth in the D&C, whenever possible. (This one is entirely due to Personal Revelation. Conjecture: There are procedures listed in the D&C that were put in place to legitimately remove prophets and apostles from authority... why would those processes be put in place if the Lord had no need to use them? See #12.)
All that he does shall be done through legitimate means and authority... both within the church, and within God's Kingdom. (Conjecture: God's house is a house of order. Therefore, anything that the Marred Servant will do, he will do through the proper procedures and with the proper authority.)
He shall be marred, both physically and spiritually, but the Lord shall preserve him and will heal him. For this reason shall he be called the Marred Servant. (3 Nephi 21:10. Conjecture: Spiritual comes before physical... therefore, he shall be spiritually marred before being physically marred)
He will be comparable to many other prophets of old in both works and power, particularly Enoch. He will be comparable to Martin Luther with his desires. It is worth noting that many have stated their belief that Raphael may be Enoch... which makes this servant's comparison to him all the more apt.(Personal Revelation)
The Lord's testimony of thunderings and lightnings shall come through him, as well as from the Lord's voice directly. (Amos 3:7, D&C 43:17-18. This one is fairly clear cut.)
He shall have the miraculous gift to heal others as well as destroy. In fact, part of his mission is to heal the church as a surgeon would heal his patient through making a wound, removing a deadly tumor, then sealing up the wound. For this reason he will be called Raphael. (3 Nephi 21:10 indicates that the Marred Servant shall be healed by God after being marred more than any man.)
He shall have many spiritual gifts... including that of Dreaming and Prophecy. These gifts will start out somewhat erratic in his life, but shall manifest individually and become refined through practice and the guidance of the hand of the Lord. This will progress at a slow and steady rate, to the point where he shall eventually have access to all spiritual gifts by the time the Lord comes. (Some Personal Revelation, but Mainly Conjecture: Some of the points mentioned above are clearly a form of spiritual gift, such as being a Soul of Iron.)
He shall participate in the meeting on Adam Ondi Ahman, and shall be numbered among the 144,000. (Cojecture: With how much scriptural passages seem to refer to him, Joseph Smith, and the Davidic Servant, it is only natural to assume that he, and the other two as well, will be a part of the meeting with Adam and Christ, alongside all the other prophets and apostles.)
He shall lead the members of the Church back to Independence Missouri and shall establish the city of Zion. He shall be alive and on the earth when Christ comes. Thus he shall be known as the Last Prophet of the Last Dispensation. (Personal Revelation)
He shall stand on the Mount of Olives when Christ shall come (Personal Revelation: Might be literal or figurative.).
He shall not taste of death, but shall instead be translated. (3 Nephi 21:10 mentions that this servant's life shall be in the Lord's hand; this can hint at translation. Personal Revelation confirms that he shall be translated.)
Additional Clarification: A good chunk of these signs I cite are due to personal revelation combined with a bit of conjecture... so your mileage may vary. Scriptures can and have provided me some additional insight into some of these notes... but said insight is limited. I am working on adding scriptural references and notes on what is personal revelation and conjecture. It will be in bold.

Z2100- New stuff for September 23
Above the constellation Virgo, there is Leo the Lion. If the Times of The Gentiles end 23/9 the Lion constellation above Virgo can mean that the remanent of Jacob will rise up like like "lions in the forest" and "curse the gentiles with a sore vexation." Below the Virgo constellation is the "Balance" constellation (often seen in the supreme court). The balance could mean that the Lord will begin to judge the gentiles based on how they rejected the gospel.

Another thing I saw on the JST Revelation is that there was also another great sign in the heavens! 1/3 of the stars fell to heaven! This is also a physcial event that symbolizes the casting of the 1/3 out of heaven. We could see a huge meteor shower that is unpredicted by science.

In the JST of Revelation 12, he (JS) says "In the likeliness of things on the earth" which proves that this is both PHYSICAL and spiritual!

DURZAN- September 23rd might not be the fulfillment of Revelation 12 after all

I found this very interesting. Here is a Christian Astronomer who explains certain important things I did not know with respect to the much-discussed September 23rd sign in the heavens. First, this is not a sign that anyone will be able to see in the sky. When the scriptures foretell of signs in the heavens, I have to believe that these will be signs that can actually be seen. Another fact that surprised me, because I just took people's word for it, but Leo doesn't have nine stars. It has at least 13 or more.

https://answersingenesis.org/astronomy/ ... r-23-2017/

[Alaris]

I was going to post about the birthing pains last night and break down some more of the sign, especially how she cried, travailing in birth. What does that mean? Will there be some sound involved?

Revelation 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

Also, you may want to include JST Revelation 12 on your OP. I recommend italicizing the words that are italicized in the JST.

And if the woman is the church -- will something happen to the church in the next few days to explain the crying, travailing in birth? Will we lose our beloved prophet? Will Utah be hit with an earthquake? Will something else happen that will cause the people of the Lord's church pain?

I'll likely do a full post on this in the original 9/23 thread that was posted on these forums.

[Z2100]

I was going to post about the birthing pains last night and break down some more of the sign, especially how she cried, travailing in birth. What does that mean? Will there be some sound involved?

Revelation 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

Also, you may want to include JST Revelation 12 on your OP. I recommend italicizing the words that are italicized in the JST.

And if the woman is the church -- will something happen to the church in the next few days to explain the crying, travailing in birth? Will we lose our beloved prophet? Will Utah be hit with an earthquake? Will something else happen that will cause the people of the Lord's church pain?

I'll likely do a full post on this in the original 9/23 thread that was posted on these forums.

The birthing pains began August 21st with the eclipse.

[Alaris]

I was going to post about the birthing pains last night and break down some more of the sign, especially how she cried, travailing in birth. What does that mean? Will there be some sound involved?

Revelation 12:2 And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.

Also, you may want to include JST Revelation 12 on your OP. I recommend italicizing the words that are italicized in the JST.

And if the woman is the church -- will something happen to the church in the next few days to explain the crying, travailing in birth? Will we lose our beloved prophet? Will Utah be hit with an earthquake? Will something else happen that will cause the people of the Lord's church pain?

I'll likely do a full post on this in the original 9/23 thread that was posted on these forums.

The birthing pains began August 21st with the eclipse.

I agree they began already - my point is braxton hicks!

https://www.babycenter.com/0_braxton-hi ... ons_156.bc

My wife gave birth on 7/13. The pains lead up to that day intensified as they did with our prior child. These increasing early labor pains are called braxton hicks contractions. Revelation 12 certainly reads to me like these birth pains should intensify, don't you agree?

[littlemikey]

Can you please expound on this happening in 1832 or 1833 (you reference both dates in your post). What is the background on the re-birth of the political kingdom of God? Thanks!

[Z2100]

Can you please expound on this happening in 1832 or 1833 (you reference both dates in your post). What is the background on the re-birth of the political kingdom of God? Thanks!

In 1833, there was a night known as « the night the stars fell » when about 1/3 of the sky was lit up with a huge meteor shower. The political kingdom of god was when the council of 50 was organized soon after, but was eventually disbanded. The council of 50 was part of the attempt to establish a government (a theocracy). But due to the lack of help and persecution, they had to disband. It could return in the future when US society collapses.

[Mcox]

I suggest that we all study what the institute manual suggests are the interpretation of Rev 12. There is no Mormon rapture.

https://www.lds.org/manual/new-testamen ... 6?lang=eng

[AI2.0]

Can you please expound on this happening in 1832 or 1833 (you reference both dates in your post). What is the background on the re-birth of the political kingdom of God? Thanks!

From LDS Astronomer, John Pratt's essay on this event:

Right in the middle of this prophecy is a rather long discussion of Satan and his angels being cast down to the earth, falling like stars from heaven (v. 4). What is all of that about? It is usually considered totally out place and ignored as part of this prophecy. It is interpreted as a flashback to the pre-existence when Satan and a third part of the hosts of heaven were cast out before Adam and Eve were placed in the Garden of Eden, where Satan was allowed to tempt them.

But as stated above, prophecies can have several fulfillments. Let us suppose that the Lord did not lose his train of thought at this point and that what John saw was indeed all relevant to the prophecy. What if it actually referred to stars falling?

During the pre-dawn hours of Wed 13 Nov 1833 there occurred what was most likely the largest meteor storm ever recorded. It was seen all over the United States. The sky was so bright with bright falling stars that people were awakened believing that their house was on fire![13] "Meteor" is the scientific term for what are popularly called "falling stars" or "shooting stars". They are caused when particles enter the earth's atmosphere and brilliantly burn up from intense heat caused by friction. For comparison, on any given night there is about one falling star per hour. During a meteor shower, there are about 100 meteors per hour. When the earth's path takes it through a huge patch of space debris left over from the head of a shattered comet, it is called a meteor storm and there can be hundreds of thousands of falling stars per hour. The meteor storm of 13 Nov 1833 lasted at least from 2 am until dawn.

Here is what the Prophet Joseph Smith recorded both of seeing and interpreting this marvelous event:

"November 13. About 4 o'clock a.m. I was awakened by Brother Davis knocking at my door, and calling me to arise and behold the signs in the heavens. I arose, and to my great joy, beheld the stars fall from heaven like a shower of hailstones; a literal fulfillment of the word of God, as recorded in the holy Scriptures ...

"Some at times appeared like bright shooting meteors, with long trains of light following in their course, and in numbers resembled large drops of rain in sunshine. These seemed to vanish when they fell behind the trees, or came near the ground. Some of the long trains of light following the meteoric stars, were visible for some seconds; these streaks would curl and twist up like serpents writhing. The appearance was beautiful, grand, and sublime beyond description; and it seemed as if the artillery and fireworks of eternity were set in motion to enchant and entertain the Saints, and terrify and awe the sinners of the earth. Beautiful and terrific as was the scenery, it will not fully compare with the time when the sun shall become black like sack-cloth of hair, the moon like blood, and the stars fall to the earth (Rev. 6:12-13) — DHC 1:439-440.
Note that the Prophet Joseph stated that this event was a fulfillment of the word of God in the scriptures and yet still did not compare to what would happen when the usual prophecy about the stars falling would later be fulfilled. So to what prophecy did he refer that was fulfilled? One clue that he had in mind the prophecy discussed in this article is that in his translation of the Book of Revelation he placed the appearance of the dragon after the birth of the man child. That fits with the stars falling a few months after the birth of the Kingdom of God.

The fact that this incredibly rare event occurred just a year after the sign proposed to herald the birth of the Kingdom of God highly favors the date of 1832 as being the correct date of the sign. Moreover, it occurred on the very night when many saints were fleeing from the dragon and even camping out where they would see it. It appears that the entire description in the middle of the prophecy of the stars being cast down from heaven was one way to indicate exactly which date is correct of the many choices throughout history for the fulfillment of this prophecy.

http://www.johnpratt.com/items/docs/201 ... h_sun.html

[OCDMOM]

I don't think it means that exact day something will happen. I think it means we are entering into an era of something.

[Durzan]

I don't think it means that exact day something will happen. I think it means we are entering into an era of something.

I agree.

[brianj]

I don't think it means that exact day something will happen. I think it means we are entering into an era of something.

I agree.

Didn't the recent total solar eclipse, the election of Trump, and a bunch of other recent events mean we are entering into an era of something?

[Z2100]

I don't think it means that exact day something will happen. I think it means we are entering into an era of something.

I agree.

Didn't the recent total solar eclipse, the election of Trump, and a bunch of other recent events mean we are entering into an era of something?

the total solar ecplise and the election of Trump probably mean nothing. But if you consider that between August 21st and September 23rd is 33 days, then yes, it means something

[BeNotDeceived]

Can you please expound on this happening in 1832 or 1833 (you reference both dates in your post). What is the background on the re-birth of the political kingdom of God? Thanks!

In 1833, there was a night known as « the night the stars fell » when about 1/3 of the sky was lit up with a huge meteor shower. The political kingdom of god was when the council of 50 was organized soon after, but was eventually disbanded. The council of 50 was part of the attempt to establish a government (a theocracy). But due to the lack of help and persecution, they had to disband. It could return in the future when US society collapses.

Interesting about the council of fifty; with 50 states it made me think there was a connection, but there's another theory to contemplate.

[John Adams]

This day in history (9/22) - In general just an inspiring time of year.

1823 - After the appearance of the angel Moroni three times during the night and again in the morning, the Prophet Joseph Smith goes to the Hill Cumorah and finds the gold plates. Moroni appears to him again and tells him he cannot take the plates at that time, but must return to this location on this date for the next four years to be taught and prepared in his calling and mission. (History of the Church, 1:14-16)

1827 - The Prophet Joseph Smith receives the gold plates, with the Urim and Thummim and breastplate, from the Angel Moroni at the Hill Cumorah. His wife Emma went with him and stayed in the wagon while Joseph went after the plates from which the Book of Mormon was translated. (History of the Church, 1:18)

1828 - Moroni returns the plates to the Prophet Joseph Smith after having taken them from him when Martin Harris lost the 116 page manuscript from the translated record.

1832 - The Prophet Joseph Smith receives portions of Doctrine and Covenants 84, a revelation on the Priesthood, on this day and the rest on the following day.

[John Adams]

Something amazing about this time of year. I don't know if anything large and grand will happen today or tomorrow, but I do feel something of spiritual significance will happen (whether it is known to the masses or not).

[Michelle]

Something amazing about this time of year. I don't know if anything large and grand will happen today or tomorrow, but I do feel something of spiritual significance will happen (whether it is known to the masses or not).

I too feel something

of spiritual significance will happen (whether it is known to the masses or not).

General Conference starts on Saturday the 23rd with Women's Conference! Definitely spiritually significant!

[Z2100]

Something amazing about this time of year. I don't know if anything large and grand will happen today or tomorrow, but I do feel something of spiritual significance will happen (whether it is known to the masses or not).

I too feel something

of spiritual significance will happen (whether it is known to the masses or not).

General Conference starts on Saturday the 23rd with Women's Conference! Definitely spiritually significant!

Isn’t it weird how young women are/can be virgins and the virgin will appear in the sky on 23/9?

[Elizabeth]

It is now Saturday the 23 September, 2017 here on the East Coast of Australia.

[John Adams]

Family - Proclamation to the World was given at Women's Conference on 9/23/95.

[Z2100]

Family - Proclamation to the World was given at Women's Conference on 9/23/95.

Isn’t that cool?

[gardener4life]

That's actually interesting that proclamation to the world was given at Women's Conference on a 9/23. Thank you for bringing that up. 9/23 could be an interesting day. We'll see if it will or if it will be later.

Just a thought though...some of the things people think to happen on 9/23 could be on other days? I think it was someone quoting the dream of either Wilford Woodruff or John Taylor...in the account says that he was reading a book made of linen and he was made to not remember every page but one of the pages he did read and remember he quotes that the judgments of God, many significant events associated with the fulfillment of the times of the Gentiles started on a day of feasts. (not sure if that could be interpreted as Thanksgiving or X-mas? People feast on X-mas as much as Thanksgiving.)

We certainly do live in exciting times. A bit too exciting actually. One quote of the news this week was quoting that the wildfires in the NorthWest this year are probably the most there ever have been. And the hurricane Irma was the same. So there are too many 'testimonies of fires and earthquakes' to repent than we can downplay.

[dafty]

It is now Saturday the 23 September, 2017 here on the East Coast of Australia.

ok, so after reading ur comment for the 100th time now lol I have to ask- ur point is?

[SempiternalHarbinger]

This . . . "woman standing in the sun with the moon beneath her feet and stars over her head", . . . has absolutely nothing to do with star constellations. The current heavens (stars, constellations) ARE NOT the source of prophetic imagery. John Pratt and many others are simply wrong. The true source of this "sign," can be found in Israel's past, the pre-flood heavens of the Patriarchs.

"no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation." (2 Peter 1:20 )

[Crackers]

This is probably a dumb question, but does anyone know what time this alignment is supposed to happen? Are we talking the early hours of 9/23 (i.e., tonight in the USA) or the late hours of 9/23 (tomorrow night) or maybe it lasts throughout the whole day? Sorry, I am astronomically stupid. Yes, both ways.

[dafty]

This . . . "woman standing in the sun with the moon beneath her feet and stars over her head", . . . has absolutely nothing to do with star constellations. The current heavens (stars, constellations) ARE NOT the source of prophetic imagery. John Pratt and many others are simply wrong. The true source of this "sign," can be found in Israel's past, the pre-flood heavens of the Patriarchs.

"no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation." (2 Peter 1:20 )

I usually dont bite, but I will this time...how about I say-
This . . . "woman standing in the sun with the moon beneath her feet and stars over her head", . . . has absolutely nothing to do with Israel's past and the pre-flood heavens of the Patriarchs. The current heavens (stars, constellations) ARE the true source of prophetic imagery. John Pratt and many others are simply right. The true source of this "sign," can be found in the constellations.
"no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation." (2 Peter 1:20 )
So, long story short.If u take time to contribute to the topic, please dont patronize astronomers such as J.Pratt and scholars such as Gileadi, and many other individuals that looked into it with sincerity of heart, by saying that they are simply wrong. By all means, correct us, by elaborating on ur beliefs/knowledge regarding the subject. But saying somebody is simply wrong, simply dont cut it among adults...