Who believes that the Second Coming is close?

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friendsofthe wrote: August 19th, 2017, 8:37 am
Gangbusters wrote:
I'll give you credit, you're really bold in your prediction! I've always hoped that if I'm alive during the tribulations that I'm at least young enough to handle it physically.

While I'm not sold on 2020, who am I to say it couldn't happen? It will, after all, be as it was in the days of Noah. And we know how surprised the people were when it started raining.
Ya, you are correct…. It may appear to be a bit bold but it’s based upon years of research and refinement. However, I don’t expect anyone to take my word for it. The results of my research are very scripture based and are freely available on my web site. My I suggest you read the three following blogs (in order) to quickly get up to speed as to why I believe as I do…

http://thebridegroomcometh.net/the-beast-and-the-whore/

http://thebridegroomcometh.net/and-at-t ... -stand-up/

http://thebridegroomcometh.net/a-time-a ... g-of-time/
I think you have a lot in common with Cleon Skousen and Bruce R. McKonkie in your understanding of God's timeline. While I tend to shy away from exact dates, I do believe, without a doubt, God gave us signs so that those who are watching and waiting and preparing will know.
And we also have the words of Joseph Smith who in reference to the timing of the Second Coming said:

“Question: What are we to understand by the angel ascending from the east is he to whom is given the seal of the living God over the twelve tribes of Israel [See D&C 77]

“Answer: If you will receive it this is Elias which was to come to gather together the tribes of Israel and restore all things.

“Question: What TIME are the things spoken of in this chapter to be accomplished?

“Answer: They are to be accomplished in the sixth thousand years or the opening of the SIXTH seal.

“Question: What are we to understand by sealing the one hundred and forty-four thousand out of all the tribes of Israel – twelve thousand out of each tribe? [the opening of the seventh seal and the gathering of the Ten Tribes]?

“Answer: We are to understand that those who are sealed… to administer the everlasting gospel; for they are ordained out of every nation [THE ANGELS to whom is given power over the nations of the earth, and bring as many as will come to the church of the Firstborn.”

“Question: When are the things to be accomplished, which are written in the 9th chapter of Revelation [the cleansing of the earth]? They are to be accomplished after the opening of the SEVENTH seal, before the coming of Christ.”

From these scriptures it is quite clear why we have the foreordination and sealing up of the 144,000 in the spirit world as described in the seventh chapter of Revelation, and a description of the subsequent ministry of the 144,000 among the children of men in Revelation, chapter fourteen.14

JOHN BEGINS DESCRIBING MODERN TIMES AFTER THE OPENING OF THE SEVENTH SEAL

Now John is ready to transfer his attention from the five chapters outlining the preparations in heaven for the Second Coming and concentrate on the unfolding of these events on earth. All of these events are controlled by the factor of “time.” He therefore defines the period in which these events will occur. John says:

“And when he had opened the seventh seal, there was silence in heaven about the space of half an hour.” (Revelations 8:1)

This immediately raises four highly significant questions. For example:

According to OUR calendar, when will the seventh seal be opened, and the half-hour of silence begins in heaven?

Until 1582 A.D. our calendar was not at all accurate, but Pope Gregory employed a group of mathematicians and astronomers to restructure the calendar. They set up the new calendar so that it was in perfect harmony or calibration with the sun. To make it completely accurate they had to add one day every four years and that is how we got our “leap year.”

But even with all that restructuring, how are we certain that it is completely accurate? The best answer to that question is in the Doctrine and Covenants. On two occasions the Lord used the Gregorian calendar in such a way that it seemed to clearly imply his approval of it.

In Section 20 the Lord said he wanted the Church established on the sixth day of April because it would be “one thousand eight hundred and thirty years since the coming of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ in the flesh.”

In the very next section we are told the Church was set up by Joseph Smith under the guidance of the Holy Ghost and then it says:

“Which church was organized and established in the year of your Lord eighteen hundred and thirty, in the fourth month, and on the sixth day of the month which is called April.”

So if our calendar is accurate and apparently approved by the Lord, there is no question about the date of the opening of the seventh seal and the half hour of silence in heaven. It will commence in the year 2000 AD .

DO WE KNOW WHEN THE HALF HOUR OF SILENCE ENDS?

From a modern revelation we learn when the half hour of silence ends. Here is what the Lord says:

“And there shall be silence in heaven for the space of half an hour, and IMMEDIATELY after shall the curtain of heaven be unfolded, as a scroll is unfolded after it is rolled up, AND THE FACE OF THE LORD SHALL BE UNVEILED; and the saints that are upon the earth, who are alive, shall be quickened and be caught up to meet him.”

Obviously we are talking about the Second Coming. So this tells us when the half hour of silence ends. It is just before the Second Coming.

CAN WE calculate THE ACTUAL DURATION OF TH HOUR OF SILENCE?

Since we know the half hour of silence begins at 2,000 A.D. when the seventh seal is opened and since we know from a modern revelation that the half hour of silence ends with the Second Coming, can we calculate in terms of years the length of time which will elapse between these two monumental events? In other words, can we determine about how long the half hour of silence lasts?

One of the apostles felt that such a calculation was possible. Here is the way Elder Bruce R. McConkie suggested it could be done. After talking about the half hour of silence, he says:

“If the time here mentioned is ‘ Lord’s time’ in which one day is a thousand years, the haft hour would be some twenty-one of our years.”

Elder McConkie reached this conclusion based on the following scriptures:

“A day with the Lord after his manner of reckoning, it being 1000 years according to the time appointed to that [ whereon thou standest.”

And again:

“But beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that ONE DAY is with the Lord as a THOUSAND YEARS, and a thousand years as one day.”

The next step was to divide 1,000 years by 24 to determine what an hour would be according to God’s time. It turned out to be 41.66 years or just under 42 years. This means that a half hour of God’s time would be nearly 21 years. This would clearly suggest that this is the duration of the half hour of silence in heaven and the period of time when the angels undertake the calamitous preparation of the earth for the Savior’s second coming.

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Care must be taken when making calculations to observe well known rules to represent precision and accuracy.

A half hour may not mean exactly 0.5000 hours. Goggle "significant digits" to learn the basics.

Scriptures are understood in the language and culture of the time and place that they are written. The reckoning of time hasn't changed much, but the accuracy and precision of its reporting has. Would 28 - 32 minutes fit with the description assuming time intervals specified to the nearest five minutes, or try an experiment and ask people what time it is.

Wall clocks and pocket watches were common in the 1830s, but sundials or hourglasses were likely used in the first century. :-?

I wonder if there was ever a Half-Hour Glass :-\

23 - 37 minutes represents a half-hour to the nearest quarter-hour.

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As I have posted before 2033 is when the six seal ends, and a few years after is the second coming. The fifth seal started when the law of Moses ended - at the crucifixion. There is a lot to happen prior to 2033, cleansing, establishment of Zion New Jerusalem.

I am still thinking that the economy is going to collapse in October 2017, missionaries will have to be recalled, then the persecutions and US civil war will start. It might only be 2018, but I cant imagine that the world economy can go on much longer without a complete meltdown. No way, it is not decades away but months. The global economy is in very late stage collapse and there will be no coming back from the collapse, debt levels are toooooo high and tooooooo many people living on welfare etc... World systems are completely unstable and the current entitled generation will not accept the gov can no longer support them.

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Spaced_Out wrote: August 19th, 2017, 9:55 pm As I have posted before 2033 is when the six seal ends, and a few years after is the second coming. The fifth seal started when the law of Moses ended - at the crucifixion. There is a lot to happen prior to 2033, cleansing, establishment of Zion New Jerusalem.

I am still thinking that the economy is going to collapse in October 2017, missionaries will have to be recalled, then the persecutions and US civil war will start. It might only be 2018, but I cant imagine that the world economy can go on much longer without a complete meltdown. No way, it is not decades away but months. The global economy is in very late stage collapse and there will be no coming back from the collapse, debt levels are toooooo high and tooooooo many people living on welfare etc... World systems are completely unstable and the current entitled generation will not accept the gov can no longer support them.
Thé next Great Depression will be of epic proportions! Not only will it be 1000x worse than the original Great Depression, it will commence of cleansing of the Earth!

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LDS Anarchist wrote: August 18th, 2017, 5:28 pm The sixth thousand years ends on 11 April 2033. (And that's when the seventh thousand years begins. Duh!)

Jesus will return no later than 50 years after that date.

I'm not sure if that counts as "close" or "not close," though.

See my Meridian of Time post for more information:
https://ldsanarchy.wordpress.com/2016/1 ... n-of-time/
If nothing happens this Fall, then it’s obvious that the Second Coming is a ways off! Because next thing you know, we’ll be celebrating the church’s 200th aniversay in our homes on a regular Sunday!

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Z2100 wrote: August 20th, 2017, 7:45 am
LDS Anarchist wrote: August 18th, 2017, 5:28 pm The sixth thousand years ends on 11 April 2033. (And that's when the seventh thousand years begins. Duh!)

Jesus will return no later than 50 years after that date.

I'm not sure if that counts as "close" or "not close," though.

See my Meridian of Time post for more information:
https://ldsanarchy.wordpress.com/2016/1 ... n-of-time/
If nothing happens this Fall, then it’s obvious that the Second Coming is a ways off! Because next thing you know, we’ll be celebrating the church’s 200th aniversay in our homes on a regular Sunday!
I always thought it'd be neat if we celebrated the 200th anniversary of the church by dedicating the 200th temple. In 2030 that's a Saturday, so close enough. My wishful thinking is the temple in Jackson County....

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When I die, and am brought into the presence of the Lord, if I am permitted, I would like to ask Him why there was so much mystery surrounding his comings, and why people were allowed to have false hope or get carried away in fervor.

I lived through a Millenialism fervor that burned through the area I lived in my High School years. It made me wonder if I should go to college, get married, get a job...etc. It seems silly now. So much misdirected energy by those involved.

I don't know how soon, I won't even venture a guess. I will say, I doubt it happens before his so called Saints stop fearing His coming and actually ask for it.

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Tribrac wrote:

I don't know how soon, I won't even venture a guess. I will say, I doubt it happens before his so called Saints stop fearing His coming and actually ask for it.
According to scripture, we will ask for it…. And we will get what we ask for, form D&C 133 we read:
38 And the servants of God shall go forth, saying with a loud voice: Fear God and give glory to him, for the hour of his judgment is come;
39 And worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters—
40 Calling upon the name of the Lord day and night, saying: O that thou wouldst rend the heavens, that thou wouldst come down, that the mountains might flow down at thy presence.
41 And it shall be answered upon their heads; for the presence of the Lord shall be as the melting fire that burneth, and as the fire which causeth the waters to boil.

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I think about 30 years from now.

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Every end times prediction on this forum has failed. Every single one.

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Spaced_Out wrote: August 19th, 2017, 9:55 pm As I have posted before 2033 is when the six seal ends, and a few years after is the second coming. The fifth seal started when the law of Moses ended - at the crucifixion. There is a lot to happen prior to 2033, cleansing, establishment of Zion New Jerusalem.

I am still thinking that the economy is going to collapse in October 2017, missionaries will have to be recalled, then the persecutions and US civil war will start. It might only be 2018, but I cant imagine that the world economy can go on much longer without a complete meltdown. No way, it is not decades away but months. The global economy is in very late stage collapse and there will be no coming back from the collapse, debt levels are toooooo high and tooooooo many people living on welfare etc... World systems are completely unstable and the current entitled generation will not accept the gov can no longer support them.
The escalation of world wide events, politically, spiritually, ecologically, economically and technologically is happening at breakneck speeds currently. The news reports daily are a fluster of things going on. We won't recognize the world in 15 years.

I think we all agree that we are in the final years before the second coming. I don't think anyone here believes that we are 50 or even 100 years out. We are in the final generation before His return.
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The Black Plague was worse
WWII was worse
Mao's famines were worse

Mostly Americans are fat and lazy and spend too much time online.

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Seek the Truth wrote: August 22nd, 2017, 10:19 pm The Black Plague was worse
WWII was worse
Mao's famines were worse

Mostly Americans are fat and lazy and spend too much time online.
There it is.

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Seek the Truth wrote: August 22nd, 2017, 10:19 pm The Black Plague was worse
WWII was worse
Mao's famines were worse

Mostly Americans are fat and lazy and spend too much time online.
The plague of sins that have overrun society are much worse than all those events you list. Hence big need for a reset. How will the future generations of youth in the church survive with the current wicked onslaught of sin and abominations.
Looking forward to the start of the tribulations and cleansing.
Matt 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
Oops could not resits.
2 Nephi 9:51 Wherefore, do not spend money for that which is of no worth, nor your labor for that which cannot satisfy. Hearken diligently unto me, and remember the words which I have spoken; and come unto the Holy One of Israel, and feast upon that which perisheth not, neither can be corrupted, and let your soul delight in fatness.

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Spider wrote: August 22nd, 2017, 10:02 pm I think about 30 years from now.
Haha

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Sunain wrote: August 22nd, 2017, 10:17 pm
Spaced_Out wrote: August 19th, 2017, 9:55 pm As I have posted before 2033 is when the six seal ends, and a few years after is the second coming. The fifth seal started when the law of Moses ended - at the crucifixion. There is a lot to happen prior to 2033, cleansing, establishment of Zion New Jerusalem.

I am still thinking that the economy is going to collapse in October 2017, missionaries will have to be recalled, then the persecutions and US civil war will start. It might only be 2018, but I cant imagine that the world economy can go on much longer without a complete meltdown. No way, it is not decades away but months. The global economy is in very late stage collapse and there will be no coming back from the collapse, debt levels are toooooo high and tooooooo many people living on welfare etc... World systems are completely unstable and the current entitled generation will not accept the gov can no longer support them.
The escalation of world wide events, politically, spiritually, ecologically, economically and technologically is happening at breakneck speeds currently. The news reports daily are a fluster of things going on. We won't recognize the world in 15 years.

I think we all agree that we are in the final years before the second coming. I don't think anyone here believes that we are 50 or even 100 years out. We are in the final generation before His return.
I’m think we’re at LEAST 83 years away. We’ll repeat the 20th century (1900s) but this is when it will actually be the “end of the world.” Many people in the 1930s-40s thought the Second Coming would be in 2000 because of the war on Earth. It was not so. But when WWIII begins, we will know it will be all over in a matter of decades. I’ll be d_mned if it’s in the 20s.

WWII- 20th Century
(History repeats itself)
WWIII- 21st Century
3-6 decades until Second Coming?

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I believe that Christ will come in my lifetime.

JD, O PRATT 15:41
Let me make a few remarks here in relation to the difference between Zion and Jerusalem. Zion will be favored with the presence of the Lord before the Jews are permitted to behold him. The Lord will come to the Temple of Zion before he comes to the Temple at Jerusalem. Before he comes in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory, he will manifest himself in the city and Temple of Zion; or in other words all the pure in heart who are permitted in those days to enter into the Lord's Temple in Zion, which will be built on this continent, the Lord will reveal his face onto them, they will see him and he will dwell in the midst of Zion.
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There is so much to do before he can come.
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Spaced_Out wrote: August 23rd, 2017, 4:45 am The plague of sins that have overrun society are much worse than all those events you list. Hence big need for a reset. How will the future generations of youth in the church survive with the current wicked onslaught of sin and abominations.
Looking forward to the start of the tribulations and cleansing.
Honestly that is a good point.

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Love wrote:
I believe that Christ will come in my lifetime, I was in a generation of youth , who's patriarchal blessings talk about this great event. I had a mission companion who's blessing said she would be twinkled at the age of a tree. I know of a friends blessing said they will be in Christs presence an others that said they would enjoy the time of peace during the millennium. I'm excited for any these events to come. How amazing it will be, but we have a lot of stuff that needs to happen before, I'll get too excited.
Love, don’t know how old you are but I personally know two ladies, both who are 64 years old whose patriarchal blessings are very similar. One says that she will be here to greet the Savior when he comes in his glory. The other ones blessing says that she will be caught up to meet him.

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Bro Keele,
I Saw this slide show of reasons why America is the Little Horn. I am still entertaining the thought, I am on the fence about Obama's role. I need word from the Genral Authorities to settle on a time line for the Second Coming.

https://www.slideshare.net/mobile/nett ... ttle-horn

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:D
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Love wrote:
I am on the fence about Obama's role. I need word from the Genral Authorities to settle on a time line for the Second Coming.
Joseph Fielding Smith spoke of the Little Horn persecuting the church in his writings but did not elaborate. The reason I’m supposing is mostly because coming right out and identifying America as the Little Horn may have caused push back against the church.

Similarly, no general authority in our day is going to identify Obama or any other any other person as fulfilling Daniel and John’s prophecies. Could you imagine what a Pandora’s box such a statement would open? So until the Lord delivers us form the bondage of our oppressors, I don’t think we will be hearing much… :)

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Love wrote:
I am on the fence about Obama's role.
I’ve long believed that Obama was fulfilling (going back to 2008) Daniel and John’s prophesy and would go on to fulfill the prophecy of the 42 months. Daniel says in chapter 7:
25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
John says in Rev 13:
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
Did Obama “change times and laws”? Yes, far more than any other president which included corrupting the rule of law, undermining the constitution, giving us over to globalism, inciting racism, destroying the economy and setting up the deep state.

John says he will “continue forty and two months” and is Obama doing so? Yes, he must do so or face the possible consequences of all of his crimes. He is working with those who would over throw the choice of the people. He set Trump up for investigation by working with the deep state he helped to create.

The main street media won’t tell you these things but there are those who are willing to speak out. One of them is Dick Morris who has written a book about what’s transpiring. Here’s Dick giving a 2 ½ minute intro to the book. Many of his other videos would be useful as well if you have the time…
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Love wrote: August 23rd, 2017, 6:11 pm Bro Keele,
I Saw this slide show of reasons why America is the Little Horn. I am still entertaining the thought, I am on the fence about Obama's role. I need word from the Genral Authorities to settle on a time line for the Second Coming.

https://www.slideshare.net/mobile/nett ... ttle-horn
You know I had this thought but why not make the signs your time line instead?

People keep wanting to change the lists of different signs into the timeline and then get frustrated when the timeline doesn't work out. But maybe that's because we should rather be using a sign line rather than a time line.

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