Notes on "Ezra's Eagle" Prophecy

[dafty]

Perhaps he's thinking it's Joseph Smith, Jun., come back from the dead.

James wrote:
"This man who is already known to Billions of people around the world will cause a great division. "
With my Trump like figure comment,I was specifically referring to the aforementioned quote. If he is known to billions of people(which is contrary to Isaiah's description of the man) he is a trump like figure, meaning famous and successful, otherwise,how would billions of people be aware of him? Also, JS junior, even if back from the dead, would not fit the bill of being known to billions...my two cents

I have heard it taught that when Joseph Smith died that he began presiding over the spirit world and that everyone would have to go through him in the spirit world in order to get saved. So, taking that theological view, that would certainly have "billions of people around the world" knowing him. And given that he's in the spirit world, he's technically "hidden." And he wouldn't be rich like Trump in the spirit world, right?

Now, I'm just putting this forth as a support for the view that James could have been referring to Joseph Smith brought back from the dead, even with what James wrote about "billions." But I am not putting this view forth as my own view. (Nor am I saying that the teaching that Joseph Smith presides over the spirit world is correct. Others in the church have taught this, not me.)

However, now with what James has written above, it may be that he is not thinking it is Joseph Smith.

At any rate, it doesn't matter. I've now looked at Daniel 7 and also Daniel chapters 8 and 11, and also Revelation chapters 13 and 17, and it is quite obvious to me that the 2 Esdras vision recorded in 2 esdras chapters 11 and 12 is speaking of the end times, not of the times of types and shadows. But James and others can continue to believe otherwise, as they like.

And this is for others, for James won't believe this: in the end times there will be a league of kingdoms, with kings (actual monarchs.) The times of types and shadows have leagues of nations, not kingdoms. Why? Because these are all just shadows and types of things to come. All these end times visions shown to Daniel, John and Esdras, then, are of end times leagues of kingdoms with kings. This is why all the language in these texts is of kings and kingdoms, and not of nations. The "game of thrones" gets established during the end times, not during the times of types and shadows. I have previously blogged about the game of thrones in this comment, for those interested in learning more.

thank u ldsa for reiterating ur point, but im daft not dull and I got it first time round lol...but until James comes clean with regards to who he believes DS to be and where his kingdom is(without me or anyone else buying his pdf book) I will not change my stance upon the subject x

[Alaris]

Perhaps he's thinking it's Joseph Smith, Jun., come back from the dead.

James wrote:
"This man who is already known to Billions of people around the world will cause a great division. "
With my Trump like figure comment,I was specifically referring to the aforementioned quote. If he is known to billions of people(which is contrary to Isaiah's description of the man) he is a trump like figure, meaning famous and successful, otherwise,how would billions of people be aware of him? Also, JS junior, even if back from the dead, would not fit the bill of being known to billions...my two cents

I have heard it taught that when Joseph Smith died that he began presiding over the spirit world and that everyone would have to go through him in the spirit world in order to get saved. So, taking that theological view, that would certainly have "billions of people around the world" knowing him. And given that he's in the spirit world, he's technically "hidden." And he wouldn't be rich like Trump in the spirit world, right?

Now, I'm just putting this forth as a support for the view that James could have been referring to Joseph Smith brought back from the dead, even with what James wrote about "billions." But I am not putting this view forth as my own view. (Nor am I saying that the teaching that Joseph Smith presides over the spirit world is correct. Others in the church have taught this, not me.)

However, now with what James has written above, it may be that he is not thinking it is Joseph Smith.

At any rate, it doesn't matter. I've now looked at Daniel 7 and also Daniel chapters 8 and 11, and also Revelation chapters 13 and 17, and it is quite obvious to me that the 2 Esdras vision recorded in 2 esdras chapters 11 and 12 is speaking of the end times, not of the times of types and shadows. But James and others can continue to believe otherwise, as they like.

And this is for others, for James won't believe this: in the end times there will be a league of kingdoms, with kings (actual monarchs.) The times of types and shadows have leagues of nations, not kingdoms. Why? Because these are all just shadows and types of things to come. All these end times visions shown to Daniel, John and Esdras, then, are of end times leagues of kingdoms with kings. This is why all the language in these texts is of kings and kingdoms, and not of nations. The "game of thrones" gets established during the end times, not during the times of types and shadows. I have previously blogged about the game of thrones in this comment, for those interested in learning more.

thank u ldsa for reiterating ur point, but im daft not dull and I got it first time round lol...but until James comes clean with regards to who he believes DS to be and where his kingdom is(without me or anyone else buying his pdf book) I will not change my stance upon the subject x

Sorry to keep threadjacking, but as long as we are all stating our beliefs about the end times servant, I believe strongly the Davidic Servant is the 8th being in authority yet has - until now - been one step below the seven archangels in authority. I've been reading the Book of Enoch which has been amazing and has fabulously provided even more evidence of this. There are seven holy ones in the Book of Enoch. As I started reading the book I thought to myself, "Enoch is the steward of level six beings and will be meeting ZION with the City of Enoch (Moses 7:63) to finalize the bride for the bridegroom. I bet there will be prophecies about the end times servant." Sure enough, the "Elect One" is the end times servant in the Book of Enoch (Ethiopian - I haven't reached the other books yet.) There is a ton about him, and I will likely start a new thread on this at some point. Some think the Elect One is Christ - nope. He is described as being "Like" the holy ones just as Michael (a holy one) is described as being "like" unto God. They are "like" because they are on the cusp of becoming themselves.

Now imagine this is a successive leveling up, so to say. God's work and glory is the immortality and eternal life of man. So his glory is dependent on our own - and that's how it works from one higher level to the next level lower. Michael's ascension is highly dependent on the next level down and so on. So, as the Davidic Servant ascends to the level of "holy one," then that provides Michael with what he needs to ascend to become a Son. As the michaels / adams of Christ's worlds ascend, that is what He needs to start His Fatherhood and start choosing his firstborn and so on. Too deep? Anyway, just imagine a stack of seven who need the eighth to join them before they get "pushed up" the chain and so on. Each ascension depends on the success of those over whom they have stewardship.

That is why Joseph Smith is not the end times servant. Each of the seven provided their dispensations already and the Davidic Servant is a deep, rich symbol of the product of their work as his ministry is one of glory and ascension. He is the fruit of their labors as he leaves the conditional servitude to become a full inheritor to go no more out. He is the eighth dispensation head, the number of renewal or the first day of the next iteration.

Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

That is the sixth promise of overcoming aligned to the Davidic Servant and the 144,000. The next level higher is the promise given to the seven as they ascend and becomes Sons of God themselves:

Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

Again, that is why Joseph Smith may provide some phone support, but he is not the one who symbolizes the entry into a new order - an ascension of a soul who ascends as the Earth ascends. The one who is hidden in the shadow of the Lord's hand for all of these reasons. As this deep, rich symbol of the fruit of the labors of the holy ones, the adversary wants to find him and stop him at all costs. That and he slew Rahab who was likely a dear friend of the devil's. Isaiah 51:9.

[dafty]

James wrote:
"This man who is already known to Billions of people around the world will cause a great division. "
With my Trump like figure comment,I was specifically referring to the aforementioned quote. If he is known to billions of people(which is contrary to Isaiah's description of the man) he is a trump like figure, meaning famous and successful, otherwise,how would billions of people be aware of him? Also, JS junior, even if back from the dead, would not fit the bill of being known to billions...my two cents

I have heard it taught that when Joseph Smith died that he began presiding over the spirit world and that everyone would have to go through him in the spirit world in order to get saved. So, taking that theological view, that would certainly have "billions of people around the world" knowing him. And given that he's in the spirit world, he's technically "hidden." And he wouldn't be rich like Trump in the spirit world, right?

Now, I'm just putting this forth as a support for the view that James could have been referring to Joseph Smith brought back from the dead, even with what James wrote about "billions." But I am not putting this view forth as my own view. (Nor am I saying that the teaching that Joseph Smith presides over the spirit world is correct. Others in the church have taught this, not me.)

However, now with what James has written above, it may be that he is not thinking it is Joseph Smith.

At any rate, it doesn't matter. I've now looked at Daniel 7 and also Daniel chapters 8 and 11, and also Revelation chapters 13 and 17, and it is quite obvious to me that the 2 Esdras vision recorded in 2 esdras chapters 11 and 12 is speaking of the end times, not of the times of types and shadows. But James and others can continue to believe otherwise, as they like.

And this is for others, for James won't believe this: in the end times there will be a league of kingdoms, with kings (actual monarchs.) The times of types and shadows have leagues of nations, not kingdoms. Why? Because these are all just shadows and types of things to come. All these end times visions shown to Daniel, John and Esdras, then, are of end times leagues of kingdoms with kings. This is why all the language in these texts is of kings and kingdoms, and not of nations. The "game of thrones" gets established during the end times, not during the times of types and shadows. I have previously blogged about the game of thrones in this comment, for those interested in learning more.

thank u ldsa for reiterating ur point, but im daft not dull and I got it first time round lol...but until James comes clean with regards to who he believes DS to be and where his kingdom is(without me or anyone else buying his pdf book) I will not change my stance upon the subject x

Sorry to keep threadjacking, but as long as we are all stating our beliefs about the end times servant, I believe strongly the Davidic Servant is the 8th being in authority yet has - until now - been one step below the seven archangels in authority. I've been reading the Book of Enoch which has been amazing and has fabulously provided even more evidence of this. There are seven holy ones in the Book of Enoch. As I started reading the book I thought to myself, "Enoch is the steward of level six beings and will be meeting ZION with the City of Enoch (Moses 7:63) to finalize the bride for the bridegroom. I bet there will be prophecies about the end times servant." Sure enough, the "Elect One" is the end times servant in the Book of Enoch (Ethiopian - I haven't reached the other books yet.) There is a ton about him, and I will likely start a new thread on this at some point. Some think the Elect One is Christ - nope. He is described as being "Like" the holy ones just as Michael (a holy one) is described as being "like" unto God. They are "like" because they are on the cusp of becoming themselves.

Now imagine this is a successive leveling up, so to say. God's work and glory is the immortality and eternal life of man. So his glory is dependent on our own - and that's how it works from one higher level to the next level lower. Michael's ascension is highly dependent on the next level down and so on. So, as the Davidic Servant ascends to the level of "holy one," then that provides Michael with what he needs to ascend to become a Son. As the michaels / adams of Christ's worlds ascend, that is what He needs to start His Fatherhood and start choosing his firstborn and so on. Too deep? Anyway, just imagine a stack of seven who need the eighth to join them before they get "pushed up" the chain and so on. Each ascension depends on the success of those over whom they have stewardship.

That is why Joseph Smith is not the end times servant. Each of the seven provided their dispensations already and the Davidic Servant is a deep, rich symbol of the product of their work as his ministry is one of glory and ascension. He is the fruit of their labors as he leaves the conditional servitude to become a full inheritor to go no more out. He is the eighth dispensation head, the number of renewal or the first day of the next iteration.

Revelation 3:12 Him that overcometh will I make a pillar in the temple of my God, and he shall go no more out: and I will write upon him the name of my God, and the name of the city of my God, which is new Jerusalem, which cometh down out of heaven from my God: and I will write upon him my new name.

That is the sixth promise of overcoming aligned to the Davidic Servant and the 144,000. The next level higher is the promise given to the seven as they ascend and becomes Sons of God themselves:

Revelation 3:21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.

Again, that is why Joseph Smith may provide some phone support, but he is not the one who symbolizes the entry into a new order - an ascension of a soul who ascends as the Earth ascends. The one who is hidden in the shadow of the Lord's hand for all of these reasons. As this deep, rich symbol of the fruit of the labors of the holy ones, the adversary wants to find him and stop him at all costs. That and he slew Rahab who was likely a dear friend of the devil's. Isaiah 51:9.

Now then, mr Alaris-ur back!!! welcome, welcome,...more purposeful threadjacking we need lol Ive been getting awful bored as of late
...just dont charge me for a privilage of reading ur next thread, or...or I will go back to re-reading LDSA blog again

[James-T-Prout]

Hi Dafty,

The man in Isaiah, who is also re-recorded in the Book of Mormon, is the man. As far as I can tell, they are the same. And he is known to approximately 2.3 Billion people in 2015.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... in-europe/

This Servant will cause a giant rift in the Christianity of the future day. He is a divisive figure, as mentioned earlier.

It's not Trump or Putin. This Servant comes much later than either Trump or Putin. Since Trump is the 1st short feather on the Right Wing of Ezra's Eagle. We have a few more characters to show up on the scene before one of the Servants show up.



It won't be a person that is unfamiliar to you. You know of him very well. But, in this setting and role, it very well might be unfamiliar, because I had never encountered it, before I read Ezra's Eagle and saw what this Servant would be doing when he comes at the head of the Lion Kingdom.

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[Alaris]

Hi Dafty,

The man in Isaiah, who is also re-recorded in the Book of Mormon, is the man. As far as I can tell, they are the same. And he is known to approximately 2.3 Billion people in 2015.
http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/20 ... in-europe/

This Servant will cause a giant rift in the Christianity of the future day. He is a divisive figure, as mentioned earlier.

It's not Trump or Putin. This Servant comes much later than either Trump or Putin. Since Trump is the 1st short feather on the Right Wing of Ezra's Eagle. We have a few more characters to show up on the scene before one of the Servants show up.



It won't be a person that is unfamiliar to you. You know of him very well. But, in this setting and role, it very well might be unfamiliar, because I had never encountered it, before I read Ezra's Eagle and saw what this Servant would be doing when he comes at the head of the Lion Kingdom.

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I really need to write an article dedicated to all the scriptures that speak of the end times servant and how it is not Joseph Smith or Jesus Christ. Too many LDS cling on to these interpretations because the thought is uncomfortable and unpopular. Like the Jews at the time of Christ they are clinging on to tradition and looking past the mark.

Brother Prout, I certainly hope you are not indicating that Jesus Himself is this person?

"the throne and kingdom of David is to be taken from him and given to another by the name of David in the last days, raised up out of his lineage" (TPJS, p. 339). Elder Orson Hyde, in his dedicatory prayer on the Mount of Olives, October 24, 1841, prophesied that the Jews would return to Jerusalem and that in time a leader called David, "even a descendant from the loins of ancient David, [would] be their king" (HC 4:457).

I suppose John the beloved could fit with what you are saying, however, John is not the Davidic King either. He very well may be the root, but he is not the Rod.

[dafty]

but why not just say it?
ie. it is Joseph Smith resurrected
or its David Bednar
or Grigori Rasputin reincarnated lol
or Donald Tusk EU president
or last but not the least another Donald...Duck lol
why so secretive????? why tease???? why be childish???

[Alaris]

but why not just say it?
ie. it is Joseph Smith resurrected
or its David Bednar
or Grigori Rasputin reincarnated lol
or Donald Tusk EU president
or last but not the least another Donald...Duck lol
why so secretive????? why tease???? why be childish???

Rasputin??

[dafty]

lol some crazy russian guy lol a bit like that nostradamus ...wheres ur tin foil hat??? lol
ps. In all seriousness, I was just trying to make a point that if one comes to this forum and say he/she knows who DS is .. and keeps repeating he/she does...then just let us know-SAY IT, dont tease and beat around the bush. Unless, obviously, he/she is full of

[Alaris]

lol some crazy russian guy lol a bit like that nostradamus ...wheres ur tin foil hat??? lol
ps. In all seriousness, I was just trying to make a point that if you come to this forum and say u know who DS is .. and u keep repeating u do...then just let us know-SAY IT, dont tease and beat around the bush. Unless, obviously, he /she is full of ....

I know who Rasputin is ... *shivers*

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grigori_Rasputin

Now, now. I have been trying to think how I can demonstrate the Davidic Servant is not John the Beloved. I believe John may be one of the two witnesses, so that puts in me in a bit of a bind. On one hand, many LDS reject John as a witness because he's translated, even though there's evidence that the two witnesses are empowered and protected from harm for a time - Couldn't the same source of power who is the source of translations provide such to empower and protect. Can't the same Lord who giveth and taketh away take away said power when He wills?

Anyway, just in case Brother Prout believes John is the Davidic Servant, I'll need to revisit just how the scriptures demonstrate he isn't. Of the top of my head, John does not need to Awake and Arise! (Isaiah 51:9)

http://www.isaiahexplained.com/51#three_col

The symbol of the root is certainly one and how John has been here, rooted to the Earth for 2,000 years. Moses 7:62 is another evidence to me - Righteousness (the rod) is sent down from heaven and truth (the root) is sent forth from the earth:

Moses 7:62 And righteousness will I send down out of heaven; and truth will I send forth out of the earth, to bear testimony of mine Only Begotten; his resurrection from the dead; yea, and also the resurrection of all men; and righteousness and truth will I cause to sweep the earth as with a flood, to gather out mine elect from the four quarters of the earth, unto a place which I shall prepare, an Holy City, that my people may gird up their loins, and be looking forth for the time of my coming; for there shall be my tabernacle, and it shall be called Zion, a New Jerusalem.
63 And the Lord said unto Enoch: Then shalt thou and all thy city meet them there, and we will receive them into our bosom, and they shall see us; and we will fall upon their necks, and they shall fall upon our necks, and we will kiss each other;

Moses 7 also mentions an earthquake as does Revelation 11, and Isaiah 11 speaks of the Rod and Root's responsibility to gather - so these verses tie into Isaiah 11 as well as Revelation 11; and both of those chapters speak of the breath of lips slaying the wicked / enemies. There are two characters in each chapter (none change their parentage.) Perhaps the 11 numbering is a coincidence, but perhaps not as both saw and comprehended far beyond what would be required to sync up their writings by chapter even if they themselves only saw them numbered later.

Isaiah 11:4 But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked.

Revelation 11:4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

Then of course the Zechariah 4 scripture ties it all together as the two olive trees stand on either side of the seven candlesticks.

Zechariah 4:11 ¶ Then answered I, and said unto him, What are these two olive trees upon the right side of the candlestick and upon the left side thereof?
12 And I answered again, and said unto him, What be these two olive branches which through the two golden pipes empty the golden oil out of themselves?
13 And he answered me and said, Knowest thou not what these be? And I said, No, my lord.
14 Then said he, These are the two anointed ones, that stand by the Lord of the whole earth.

Again we have two figures who are olive trees which represent Israel as a whole, so those who gather Israel being symbolized by trees makes a lot of sense. All of these scriptures are threaded together. I personally believe the root is John and the rod is James is brother - as they are both of Ephraim and of Jesse - cousins to Jesus, sharing in the birthright of Jesse, though the rod is only partly a descendant of Jesse unlike the root who is still in the same flesh. Again, Righteousness comes down from heaven and truth comes from the earth - where he has been this whole time. Truth because he is the revelator. Anyway, the Rod is reborn through the veil - likely with family ties that go back to both rehoboam and jeroboam but this generational distance from James parents now leaves him to be "partly" a descendant. That is my personal interpretation. His identity was hidden even to himself which is why he is commanded to awake and arise by the Lord.

D&C 113:1 Who is the Stem of Jesse spoken of in the 1st, 2d, 3d, 4th, and 5th verses of the 11th chapter of Isaiah?
2 Verily thus saith the Lord: It is Christ.
3 What is the rod spoken of in the first verse of the 11th chapter of Isaiah, that should come of the Stem of Jesse?
4 Behold, thus saith the Lord: It is a servant in the hands of Christ, who is partly a descendant of Jesse as well as of Ephraim, or of the house of Joseph, on whom there is laid much power.
5 What is the root of Jesse spoken of in the 10th verse of the 11th chapter?
6 Behold, thus saith the Lord, it is a descendant of Jesse, as well as of Joseph, unto whom rightly belongs the priesthood, and the keys of the kingdom, for an ensign, and for the gathering of my people in the last days.

Well I just learned something new - the root and the rod stand next to the Lord of the whole earth in D&C 113 as well - stem, rod, and root. Yet another thread to tie all these scriptures together.

Some final food for thought. Unto John rightly belongs the priesthood and the keys because I believe that he is the older brother, despite "Peter, James, and John" always being listed in that order. The younger brother always, always receives the birthright apart from Jesus Christ Himself - so if James is the senior of the two than he is more than likely the younger brother. Then John - unto whom rightly belongs the keys - defers them to his younger brother in a grand gesture that deeply embodies eternal truth - Firstborn is earned not given.

And before you cast all this aside, consider it is Peter, James, and John who cast out the devil before we move from the Telestial world to the Terrestrial in the temple. And there's this:

D&C 7:1 And the Lord said unto me: John, my beloved, what desirest thou? For if you shall ask what you will, it shall be granted unto you.
2 And I said unto him: Lord, give unto me power over death, that I may live and bring souls unto thee.
3 And the Lord said unto me: Verily, verily, I say unto thee, because thou desirest this thou shalt tarry until I come in my glory, and shalt prophesy before nations, kindreds, tongues and people.
4 And for this cause the Lord said unto Peter: If I will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee? For he desired of me that he might bring souls unto me, but thou desiredst that thou mightest speedily come unto me in my kingdom.
5 I say unto thee, Peter, this was a good desire; but my beloved has desired that he might do more, or a greater work yet among men than what he has before done.
6 Yea, he has undertaken a greater work; therefore I will make him as flaming fire and a ministering angel; he shall minister for those who shall be heirs of salvation who dwell on the earth.
7 And I will make thee to minister for him and for thy brother James; and unto you three I will give this power and the keys of this ministry until I come.
8 Verily I say unto you, ye shall both have according to your desires, for ye both joy in that which ye have desired.

[BeNotDeceived]

but why not just say it?
ie. it is Joseph Smith resurrected
or its David Bednar
or Grigori Rasputin reincarnated lol
or Donald Tusk EU president
or last but not the least another Donald...Duck lol
why so secretive????? why tease???? why be childish???

Maybe you're supposed to buy his book to find out.

[dafty]

but why not just say it?
ie. it is Joseph Smith resurrected
or its David Bednar
or Grigori Rasputin reincarnated lol
or Donald Tusk EU president
or last but not the least another Donald...Duck lol
why so secretive????? why tease???? why be childish???

Maybe you're supposed to buy his book to find out.

maybe I already have? and am well pee'd off with it???

[Alaris]

Well, if the Christians know who this guy is, then if must be a prophet from the Bible, come back from the dead, or a translated prophet. But James said it would be someone who was divisive, so...perhaps Elijah the Tishbite? (Christ was also divisive, but I don't think James is talking of Christ.) Also, John the Beloved doesn't strike me as divisive. So, I'm gonna say he's thinking of Elijah. Or, maybe of John the Baptist (who was the other Elijah...) John the Baptist certainly was divisive.

Good points, but John = Davidic Servant has been divisive here on these forums .. of course that's not necessarily saying much!

[dafty]

Well, if the Christians know who this guy is, then if must be a prophet from the Bible, come back from the dead, or a translated prophet. But James said it would be someone who was divisive, so...perhaps Elijah the Tishbite? (Christ was also divisive, but I don't think James is talking of Christ.) Also, John the Beloved doesn't strike me as divisive. So, I'm gonna say he's thinking of Elijah. Or, maybe of John the Baptist (who was the other Elijah...) John the Baptist certainly was divisive.

Now, now mr anarchist(can I call u Johnny Rotten?). No more speculating nor guess work. The man of ur caliber should know what he's thinking

[dafty]

I once saw Johnny Rotten sing with P.I.L. back in the day. (They opened for INXS.) They were foul-mouthed but intense. The audience hated them. (The audience was there to see INXS.) After the concert, I walked out to my car and the whole P.I.L. band was also walking out to their bus or whatever it was they were using. Nobody else was around, just me and my sister and we walked right into them. I told them I liked their show and they thanked me. I didn't know who was who, but it was the entire band.

Hmm...I wonder if billions of people know who Johnny Rotten is...? He's from England, right? That's the lion country, right?....

lol this is getting better and better...
PS.Is that story for real or ur pulling my legs?

[dafty]

ok, i have probably gone far enough derailing this thread. I feel also that possibly I have been toying with mans livelihood here(coz for what I know james might be supporting his family off the book sale, who knows? Johnny rotten probably does lol).And since, Im supportive towards gileadi who does the same, why not let james be. might have been too harsh i guess, my bad.
anyways its getting awful late here in the sunny uk, so i is goin to bed

[dafty]

Ps. this is not to say ill pay a single penny for ur next article Alaris lol

[Alaris]

Ps. this is not to say ill pay a single penny for ur next article Alaris lol

Awww

[James-T-Prout]

Got it. It's long guys. So read slowly.

www.lastdaystimeline.com/free-downloads/chapter13.pdf

This is the description of the WHO the Lion Kingdom in Ezra's Eagle is...and the prophet at it's lead....that takes down the Eagle Kingdom. This is just 1 of the Davidic Servants. It appears that the scriptures identify 4 of them. (3 if you go with LDS Anarchist.) One being Christ himself.

[James-T-Prout]

Hi Dafty,

Oh sorry. I wasn't being cloak and dagger with the information. I was just trying to put a whole bunch of information in this little Editor Box, and it wasn't formatting correctly.

I like the evidence to back up the claims. I do not like having any unsupported claims. And the evidence was a lot of research. And there is even more in the book on this topic. Lots more.

Thank you.

[James-T-Prout]

Hi LDS Anarchist,

Thank you for your update on the Josephite.

I did leave 1 spot open in the identifications of the 4 Latter-Day Special Servants. It was "The Rod".

Many people call these Special Last-Day Servants "Davidic Servants" or (DS). But, instead of defining them as Davidic Servants, I chose to define them as Special Last Days Servants.

Most readers of this forum have heard about John the Revelator coming in the future. And apparently that topic has been divisive on this forum before. I didn't read that before, so I didn't know.

But, the big update surrounding John the Revelator is WHEN he comes back. We have it pegged on The "Last Days" Timeline to when the Lion of Ezra's Eagle comes forth to cut down the Eagle Kingdom from it's wicked oppression.

And we know WHAT John does and his role when he comes back to prophesy again before the kings of the earth. He is to call the oppressive 4th Beast Kingdom wicked, and to have his host behind him decimate their abilities to reclaim the land of America as theirs again.

Thus, John the Beloved Revelator claims a spot on The "Last Days" Timeline.

[LDS Physician]

James, you might want to read this blog post of mine: John the Revelator is not the Elias who restores all things

This is just 1 of the Davidic Servants. It appears that the scriptures identify 4 of them. (3 if you go with LDS Anarchist.) One being Christ himself.

Just so we are clear, the rod, root, stem and branch are, according to my understanding:

Stem=Christ (per D&C 113)
Branch=Christ
Rod=Josephite
Root=Josephite

The Branch and rod are instruments of destruction and judgment. These are horizontal instruments. They grow horizontally from the plant. What do you do with a branch or a rod? You use it to strike others with it. You hold it horizontally from you, in your hands.

The Stem and root are instruments of salvation and mercy. These are vertical instruments. They grow vertically upward or downward. The Stem, which offers us individual salvation, is not sufficient to save us. Although He brings us up to God, connects us to God, He also needs the root to connect to the rest of us, as a group. Thus, individual salvation is represented by the Stem (Christ), while group salvation is represented by the root (the Josephite.)

Both roles reverse, each one performing one role at first, and then the second role at last. So, Christ came as the Stem (and instrument of mercy) during His first coming, and He'll come as the Branch (and instrument of judgment) during His second coming. And the Josephite started out as the destroying angel, even the rod, in the heavens, as the instrument of God's judgment, and when he is empowered here on earth, he resumes that exalted position of rod. Thus, curses will immediately go out once the guy is powered up. Destructions will go forth, as well as curses, for he resumes his rod role.

But then he miraculously switches from destroyer to savior, which is entirely impossible, for "the waster was made to destroy" as Isaiah said, so this switch goes entirely against his very nature, and he begins a work of salvation, as one of the saviors on mount Zion, this time performing all the work perfectly. This miraculous switch from destroyer to savior, or from judgment to mercy, switches his position, too, from horizontal to vertical, and he becomes the root, an instrument of mercy and salvation.

Thus, it is Christ, not the destroying angel (the Josephite) who will destroy the wicked at the Second Coming, for the Josephite will be in root mode when Christ comes back, while Christ will be in Branch mode.

Thus, there are not four servants spoken of by the designations root, rod, stem and branch, but just two, for there were always just two sons of God who were designated and appointed by God to pull off the entire salvation and redemption of all things: Jesus (who pulled off the infinite amount of suffering required) and the Josephite (who will pull off the infinite amount of work required.)

As for John the Revelator, he has a more limited (finite) role, as do the other angels and participants in end times events.

One last thing, the angel spoken of in Revelation 10 was not the 7th angel:

And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: but in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets. (Revelation 10:5-7)

This angel swore that "in the days of the voice of the seventh angel...the mystery of God should be finished." In other words, he's not speaking of himself, but of someone else (who was the seventh angel.) Who, then, was this "mighty angel?"

A clue might be found in the following scriptures. (And notice that John does not designate the Revelation 10 angel as "the seventh angel") :

And I saw another mighty angel come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud: and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire: and he had in his hand a little book open: and he set his right foot upon the sea, and his left foot on the earth, and cried with a loud voice, as when a lion roareth: and when he had cried, seven thunders uttered their voices. (Revelation 10:1-3)

And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all. (Revelation 18:21)

And I saw a strong angel proclaiming with a loud voice, Who is worthy to open the book, and to loose the seals thereof? (Revelation 5:2)

Mighty and strong, eh? Hmm...where have we heard of such a thing before?

Behold, the Lord hath a mighty and strong one, which as a tempest of hail and a destroying storm, as a flood of mighty waters overflowing, shall cast down to the earth with the hand. (Isaiah 28:2)

And it shall come to pass that I, the Lord God, will send one mighty and strong, holding the scepter of power in his hand, clothed with light for a covering, whose mouth shall utter words, eternal words; while his bowels shall be a fountain of truth, to set in order the house of God, and to arrange by lot the inheritances of the saints whose names are found, and the names of their fathers, and of their children, enrolled in the book of the law of God; (D&C 85:7)

And there shall rise up one mighty among them, who shall do much good, both in word and in deed, being an instrument in the hands of God, with exceeding faith, to work mighty wonders, and do that thing which is great in the sight of God, unto the bringing to pass much restoration unto the house of Israel, and unto the seed of thy brethren. (2 Nephi 3:24)

Hearken, and lo, a voice as of one sent down from on high, who is mighty and powerful, whose going forth is unto the ends of the earth, yea, whose voice is unto men—Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make his paths straight. (D&C 65:1)

What is the rod spoken of in the first verse of the 11th chapter of Isaiah, that should come of the Stem of Jesse?

Behold, thus saith the Lord: It is a servant in the hands of Christ, who is partly a descendant of Jesse as well as of Ephraim, or of the house of Joseph, on whom there is laid much power. (D&C 113:3-4)

All of these scriptures seem to point to the rod of the Lord's power, who is the Josephite.

Thanks for your insights on this topic, LDSA! I enjoy your blog and your posts.

I had a sincere question in regards to your thoughts on the definition of the word "king". You stated in effect that you feel this prophesy is misinterpreted due in part to the use of the word "king" being interpreted by Brother Prout as meaning president. You've said that the word "king" refers to an actual king.

With a paucity of kings in the world now and with there being only about 16-17 years left prior to the Lord's coming (according to your estimate of his return on your blog), how is such a prophesy to take place with so little time left? Do you think there will be a radical change in the governments of the earth soon enough to permit such a succession of kings to take place or do you think this prophesy is not an actual prophesy?

Thanks for your insight!

LDS Physician

[James-T-Prout]

Hi LDS Anarchist,

I contacted you on the blog about this topic last week, using the side contact form that you mentioned. Give me a jingle thanks.
It seems you have put some work into this theory. I want to explore the proof points behind the opinions. If it is there, I want to see it. Thank you.

[BeNotDeceived]

Good in-depth presentation

[Hogmeister]

Latter day Elias/End time servant

Today, I believe most of us are missing the forest for all the trees when we are trying to identify “who” Isaiahs prophesied Davidic servant is. “A servant” hidden from the world for a time (D&C 86:8-11). I do believe modern revelation and instruction by Joseph Smith give us critical keys to reveal the identity of the end time Davidic servant. It is important to remember that Isaiah frequently uses historical types to describe end time actors and that David is a key historical type. The scriptures record that David as a young shepherd became the Lord’s anointed/chosen, he became a servant to Saul, he fought with Goliath, he became a savior for Israel, after this he finally became the king/ruler in Israel that he was anointed/chosen to become, and ultimately he became a conqueror. I believe the whole life of David serves as a type for the progression of the end time or latter day servant.

In D&C 27:6 we learn that Elias holds the keys to the restoration in the latter days

D&C 27:6 And also with Elias, to whom I have committed the keys of bringing to pass the restoration of all things spoken by the mouth of all the holy prophets since the world began, concerning the last days;

In the next verse D&C 27:7 we learn that it was Elias (the individual) that visited Zacharias and gave promise that he should have a son that would be filled with the spirit of Elias (spirit of restoration?).

D&C 27:7 And also John the son of Zacharias, which Zacharias he (Elias) visited and gave promise that he should have a son, and his name should be John, and he should be filled with the spirit of Elias;

In Luke chapter 1:19 we learn that the Angel who visited Zacharias and gave him promise of a son was Gabriel.

Luke 1:19 And the angel answering said unto him, I am Gabriel, that stand in the presence of God; and am sent to speak unto thee, and to shew thee these glad tidings.

According to D&C 27:7 Gabriel is Elias, the individual.

In Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith section 4 Joseph Smith reveals that Noah is Gabriel (Elias).

“The Priesthood was first given to Adam; he obtained the First Presidency, and held the keys of it from generation to generation. He obtained it in the Creation, before the world was formed, as in Genesis 1:26, 27, 28. He had dominion given him over every living creature. He is Michael the Archangel, spoken of in the Scriptures. Then to NOAH, WHO IS GABRIEL: he stands next in authority to Adam in the Priesthood; he was called of God to this office, and was the father of all living in this day, and to him was given the dominion. These men held keys first on earth, and then in heaven.”

Is it not fitting that Noah (Gabriel/Elias) would have the Keys of restoration (D&C 27:6) since he was the prophet to restore “all things” after the flood, which likely was the first restoration? The flood brought about a restoration of the creation (not just the gospel) and Noah became the Father of all living, or a new Adam, in his day.

Note how Gabriel (Noah/Elias) describes the mission of John the Baptist who holds the office of Elias (filled with the spirit of Elias).

Luke 1:13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.

14 And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.

15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother’s womb.

16 And many of the children of Israel shall he turn (restore?) to the Lord their God.

17 And he shall go before him (Christ) in the spirit and power of Elias, to turn the hearts of the fathers to the children, and the disobedient to the wisdom of the just; to make ready a people prepared for the Lord.

It is interesting to note that John the Baptist had priesthood authority, by the lineage of Aaron, to preach the gospel of repentance and baptism for the remission of sins and nothing more. That which was greater (Christ/The Melchizedek priesthood) was to come after. Is not the gospel of repentance and baptism the gospel of restoration? A restoration from the fall of Adam. In Biblical Hebrew, the idea of repentance is represented by two verbs: שוב shuv (to return) and נחם nacham (to feel sorrow). Repent means to turn or return to God. It is worth noting that Elias is to turn hearts (Luke 1:17). This is also the mission of latter day Elijah to turn (restore) hearts (covenants) of both fathers and children.

It was John the Baptist that began the restoration of the priesthood (again turning the hearts) in the latter days.

Notice the similarities between the character and mission of John the Baptist holding the office of Elias and the restored church and priesthood of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints?

• Many shall rejoice. (D&C 110:9)
• Shall be great in the sight of the Lord. (2 Ne 3:24)
• Shall drink neither wine nor strong drink (a requirement in order to more fully enjoy the companionship of the Holy Ghost). (D&C 89:5)
• Shall be filled with the Holy Ghost. (D&C 39:23, D&C 35:13)
• Many shall he (re)turn to the Lord their God. (D&C 113:10)
• Go before Him (God, Christ) in the spirit and power of Elias (restoration) to (re)turn the hearts of the fathers to the children. (D&C 110:14-15)
• To make ready a people prepared for the Lord. (D&C 34:5-6, D&C 104:59)

In a revelation given to Joseph Smith in March 1832 we read the following:

D&C 77:9 Q. What are we to understand by the angel ascending from the east, Revelation 7th chapter and 2nd verse?

Rev 7:2 And I saw another angel ascending from the east, having the seal of the living God: and he cried with a loud voice to the four angels, to whom it was given to hurt the earth and the sea, 3 Saying, Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till we have sealed the servants of our God in their foreheads.

A. We are to understand that the angel ascending from the east is he to whom is given the seal of the living God over the twelve tribes of Israel; wherefore, he crieth unto the four angels having the everlasting gospel, saying: Hurt not the earth, neither the sea, nor the trees, till WE have sealed the servants of OUR God in their foreheads. And, if you will receive it, this is ELIAS which was to come to gather together the tribes of Israel and restore all things.

This revelation identifies the angel ascending from the east as one that is given the authority to seal. It also importantly identifies this angel as Elias or the latter day forerunner which is to gather together the tribes of Israel and restore all things. These specific tasks are also identified with the Davidic endtime servant in Isaiah (Isaiah 11:10–12, D&C 113:6). Also notice that when the angel crieth the angel refers to himself in plural (WE or OUR).

In a sermon delivered at General conference at Nauvoo in april 1843 Joesph Smith taught that beasts are used by the prophets to represent earthly or worldly kingdoms and thus Joseph Smith alludes that more intelligent beings, such as angels, men (servants) and women (virgin, bride), are used to represent the kingdom of God or a higher kingdom.

“When God made use of the figure of a beast in visions to the I prophets, he did it to represent those Kingdoms who had degenerated and become corrupt--the Kingdoms of the world, but he never made use of the figure of a beast nor any of the brute kind to represent his kingdom. Daniel says when he saw the vision of the four beasts "I came near unto one of them that stood by, and asked him the truth of all this." The angel interpreted the vision to Daniel, but we find by the interpretation that the figures of beasts had no allusion to the Kingdom of God. You there see that the beasts are spoken of to represent the Kingdoms of the world the inhabitants whereof were beastly and abominable characters, they were murderous, corrupt, carnivorous and brutal in their dispositions. I make mention of the prophets to qualify my declaration which I am about to make so that the young Elders who know so much may not rise up and choke me like hornets. there is a grand difference and distinction between the visions and figures spoken of by the prophets and those spoken of in the Revelations of John.”

Linking the symbol of the angel from the east to this revealed principle of interpretation could the angel ascending from the east, which is Elias or holds the office of Elias, be a representation of the kingdom of God or the collective priesthood of God in the last days?

In March 10th 1844 Joseph Smith gives a sermon on the spirit of Elias, the spirit of Elijah and the spirit of Messiah. Note that this is the same terminology (“spirit of Elias”) that Gabriel uses in Luke 1:17. He starts out teaching about the spirit, power and office of Elias and his mission. He clarifies that Elias is the office of a forerunner and that we have a forerunner in the last days as also in the days of Christ. Then he introduces and identifies the spirit and power of Elijah as THE (awaited) Elias in the last days (I had read this sentence many times not understanding what it really meant, I thought it was a scribal error).

"But if I spend much more time in conversing about the spirit of Elias I shall not have time to do justice to THE SPIRIT & POWER OF ELIJAH, THIS IS THE ELIAS SPOKEN OF IN THE LAST DAYS & here is the rock upon which many split thinking the time was past in the days of John & Christ & no more to be, but the spirit of Elias was revealed to me & I know it is true therefore I speak with boldness for I know verily my doctrine is true. Now for Elijah, the spirit power & calling of Elijah is that ye have power to hold the keys of the revelations ordinances, oricles powers & endowments of the fulness of the Melchezedek Priesthood & of the Kingdom of God on the Earth & to receive, obtain & perform all the ordinances belonging to the Kingdom of God even unto the sealing of the hearts of the hearts fathers unto the children & the hearts of the children unto the fathers even those who are in heaven. Malachi says I will send Elijah before the great and dreadful day of the Lord come & He shall turn the hearts of the Fathers to the Children and the hearts of the Children to the Fathers lest I come & smite the earth with a Curse,"

According to Joseph Smith, and the scriptures confirms, it is not Elijah the individual nor Elias the individual that is the last days Elias, even though they delivered the required keys (D&C 13:1, D&C 110:13-16), but the group of servants who holds the spirit and power of Elijah in the last days. He then goes on to teach about what constitutes the spirit and power of Elijah, which in essence is the Melchizedek priesthood. Very condensed the power of Elijah is the power to seal, which is the same power and authority that was seen given to the angel ascending from the east (Gods direction) which was revealed as Elias that would restore all things according to D&C 77:9. The angel ascending from the east has the spirit and power of Elijah (to seal) but also holds the office of Elias or forerunner (restorer) and as mentioned before have many striking similarities with the prophesied Davidic end time servant.

In D&C 35:4 we learn that Sidney Rigdon had been sent forth, even as John, to prepare the way (an Elias) before not only the Lord but also latter day Elijah (the restored church/priesthood) which should come. Sidney Rigdon was a minister at the First Baptist Church preaching Campbell’s restorationism and many prominent early LDS leaders were members of Rigdon’s congregations prior to their conversions to the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.

I would suggest that the latter day or end time servant is a composite of latter day Elias, Elijah and David, where Elijah has more to do with the spiritual work and David more to do with the "political" work of the latter day servant.

I believe I have here identified some keys (there are many more) to identify the Davidic end time servant or forerunner prophesied by Isaiah, Nephi, Moroni and John and many more. I believe “he” is more familiar to us than most of us realize.

[Tbone]

I'm pretty neutral on the Ezra's Eagle Prophecy, but I was reminded about it this morning while I was listening to an Economic Outlook webcast put on by KPMG. KPMG's economist Leo Abbruzzese forecasted a less than 50% chance of Trump not making it through his full term. It was interesting, though, how he spoke about it as if it was truly a real possibility, even if it isn't a likely outcome. His reasoning was mainly that Trump is a huge risk taker and is pretty much unpredictable. Eventually those risks could possibly play out negatively for him. The results of the mid-terms could be a key.

I guess we will see.