The Time Is Now - Jake Hilton

[Todd]

I've been watching all of Jake Hilton's videos pretty closely. What attracted me from the beginning was his knowledge of scriptures. But even from the beginning, I've felt troubled that I don't feel like he teaches with the Spirit. That's just MY feeling, as I watch the videos. He seems to teach with an underlying feeling of superiority and negativity that isn't completely and purely inspiring and ennobling. It's hard to describe, but I definitely feel it each time. I was willing to put those feelings aside, just to see where he went with his videos, but the last part of 3A has been weighing on me for these reasons:

1. He makes it very clear at the beginning of video 3A that this video is for the elect ONLY. He makes a big deal about clicking on the link of the video and states more than once, that for those who choose to view the video, they will be condemned if they do not follow the teachings. I didn't feel good about him flattering the viewer in this way for one, but to go as far as damnation if we choose to disagree with his teachings?? It was wrong.

2. He doesn't have anything good to say about church leaders, BYU, or the organization of the church. I can understand if there are things that can be improved in the church, but to feel disdain for the church is just something entirely inappropriate. I can see how his feelings on this matter alone could constitute apostasy.

3. He states at the end of 3A that true followers of Christ should not celebrate Christmas or Easter because of their pagan roots. We should worship Christ in the way that He wants to be worshipped. In other words, we should be observing all of the Jewish Feast and Festivals and those only. By doing so, we will be prepared for and looking forward to the Second Coming. He is currently writing a book with his wife which will be called "Better than Christmas, better than Easter." Anything else is considered an evil tradition that needs to be thrown out by true followers of Jesus Christ.

4. He talks about how the Sabbath day needs to be observed on Saturday, like the Lord originally intended it to be. And how observing the Sabbath on a Sunday is another pagan tradition which needs to be thrown out as another unrighteous tradition. If he believes what he teaches, then he must be okay with not attending his church meetings and partaking of the sacrament right??

I've enjoyed a large portion of his teachings from the scriptures, especially ones from the Book of Mormon, but I can't deny that He discredits the prophet and apostles, He is teaching things contrary to what the prophet and other leaders have been inspired to do, and I just don't feel right about it.

Thanks for the info on part 3. Haven't watched it yet, but if is anything like you described then I'll pass.

[cayenne]

I also have not watched part 3 yet.

[Still Learning]

I don't fully agree that the entire BoM took place in North America because I served in Ecuador, and my mission president said when it was first opened and dedicated by I think Spencer Kimball, he said that area has the highest concentration of lamanite blood anywhere on the earth... I don't know about him, but I'll keep watching

I served in SA too and that really has nothing to do with where the BM occurred. Yes, they are full of Lamanite blood. But populations grow, split, migrated, etc. I have no doubt that most if not all occurred in NA. And yet I agree with your mission president's statement.

[Still Learning]

I feel like to many people attack the messenger much of the time, and bypass the message itself. I have watched several hours of Jake's video's and I have studied enough on my own, and I think to know enough on my own to realize jake has a lot of truth to offer. If as some say Jake is basically reeling people in to deceive them later on type stuff….well, a person that loves truth should be able to see that. It is true there have been many people in the past like Harmston, Collier, Crossfield, and others who seemed to start out in study groups or whatever, and then pulled the people in and then grabbed authority and twisted doctrine. I would hope someone who actually studies for themselves in God would catch that garbage and know when to walk away. As for Jake, from what I have watched so far I don't see anything that would suggest he is reeling people in for the kill so to speak. Even if he is this bad man getting ready to twist and contort doctrine after he has his followers in tow, it does not take away from all the truths he has presented in his videos thus far. I appreciate the work he has done and I think he is an excellent presenter. I would hope no people are dumb enough to be some of apollos, cephas, daddy, jake, snuffer,etc but many are. But the message itself IF TRUE stands on its own in God regardless…overall I see his videos so far having much truth. Do I think it is all truth, no….for if you or I did hours of gospel presentation we would not get everything right either, and Jake or Snuffer, or whoever can't be expected to either.

I am curious as to these new set of videos supposedly coming out that are supposed to be apostate? Then it may be asked what is apostate….that would be a hot tempered thread!

I agree with you. Shooting the messenger before he even shares the message. I received what I believe to be a truthful response from Jake's mother, Sister, and brother on another forum - directly from them. So I fear for him and the path he may be on (Ifear that for me too, walking so imperfectly myself!) . But I also think most of what he shares is wonderful and true doctrine. I regret having shared it if it ends up leading others away.

[Still Learning]

He will be find at Judgment Day, unlike a few posters here.

njb

Which ones?

[notjamesbond003.5]

He will be fine at Judgment Day, unlike a few posters here.

njb

Which ones?

For whosoever exalteth himself shall be abased; and he that humbleth himself shall be exalted

But I say unto you, that whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment; and whosoever shall say to his brother, ‘Raca,’ shall be in danger of the council; but whosoever shall say, ‘Thou fool,’ shall be in danger of hell fire.

njb

[pjbrownie]

I know Jake personally.

Don't get too caught up by his arrogant tone. He's not arrogant, but can come across that way. I think it has more to do with his presentation skills and personality than anything. I think it we could look past some of the tone of the presentations, the message can speak for itself. He feels called by God to do this. He has sacrificed much, including going without housing at time, to do this.

On Jake being in a cult near Idaho. Hogwash. I know there are a few people that have moved up there, including Jake, to attempt to live consecration. No one is leading them. It is all voluntary. I think it's a noble effort. Jake is about the last person I know who would be trying to get people to follow him. I don't necessarily agree with this Judaification of Mormonism, I think it's where your heart is, and if you can put Christ into Christmas, should work just as good as Yom Kippur.

On the Church leaders being in apostasy.

Well . . . let the scriptures and ideas he presents on that speak for themselves, and then go to the Lord on it.

I think the documentaries are worth watching, even if they can get a tad tedious.

[notjamesbond003.5]

Jake speaks a lot of the nuanced language of Duster I've noticed-which isn't a bad thing in my book.

Hashtag that.

Njb

[AI2.0]

I know Jake personally.

Don't get too caught up by his arrogant tone. He's not arrogant, but can come across that way. I think it has more to do with his presentation skills and personality than anything. I think it we could look past some of the tone of the presentations, the message can speak for itself. He feels called by God to do this. He has sacrificed much, including going without housing at time, to do this.

On Jake being in a cult near Idaho. Hogwash. I know there are a few people that have moved up there, including Jake, to attempt to live consecration. No one is leading them. It is all voluntary. I think it's a noble effort. Jake is about the last person I know who would be trying to get people to follow him. I don't necessarily agree with this Judaification of Mormonism, I think it's where your heart is, and if you can put Christ into Christmas, should work just as good as Yom Kippur.

On the Church leaders being in apostasy.

Well . . . let the scriptures and ideas he presents on that speak for themselves, and then go to the Lord on it.

I think the documentaries are worth watching, even if they can get a tad tedious.

Since you know him, can you tell us if Jake Hilton is familiar with Denver Snuffer and what he thinks of his teachings?

[rewcox]

I know Jake personally.

Don't get too caught up by his arrogant tone. He's not arrogant, but can come across that way. I think it has more to do with his presentation skills and personality than anything. I think it we could look past some of the tone of the presentations, the message can speak for itself. He feels called by God to do this. He has sacrificed much, including going without housing at time, to do this.

On Jake being in a cult near Idaho. Hogwash. I know there are a few people that have moved up there, including Jake, to attempt to live consecration. No one is leading them. It is all voluntary. I think it's a noble effort. Jake is about the last person I know who would be trying to get people to follow him. I don't necessarily agree with this Judaification of Mormonism, I think it's where your heart is, and if you can put Christ into Christmas, should work just as good as Yom Kippur.

On the Church leaders being in apostasy.

Well . . . let the scriptures and ideas he presents on that speak for themselves, and then go to the Lord on it.

I think the documentaries are worth watching, even if they can get a tad tedious.

Since you know him, can you tell us if Jake Hilton is familiar with Denver Snuffer and what he thinks of his teachings?

This guy has long hair, and says our leaders are in apostasy? Well, he can just go to the Arctic.

[notjamesbond003.5]

Should Jake take Porter Rockwell w him?

njb

[pjbrownie]

I know Jake personally.

Don't get too caught up by his arrogant tone. He's not arrogant, but can come across that way. I think it has more to do with his presentation skills and personality than anything. I think it we could look past some of the tone of the presentations, the message can speak for itself. He feels called by God to do this. He has sacrificed much, including going without housing at time, to do this.

On Jake being in a cult near Idaho. Hogwash. I know there are a few people that have moved up there, including Jake, to attempt to live consecration. No one is leading them. It is all voluntary. I think it's a noble effort. Jake is about the last person I know who would be trying to get people to follow him. I don't necessarily agree with this Judaification of Mormonism, I think it's where your heart is, and if you can put Christ into Christmas, should work just as good as Yom Kippur.

On the Church leaders being in apostasy.

Well . . . let the scriptures and ideas he presents on that speak for themselves, and then go to the Lord on it.

I think the documentaries are worth watching, even if they can get a tad tedious.

Since you know him, can you tell us if Jake Hilton is familiar with Denver Snuffer and what he thinks of his teachings?

He knows about Denver, but he told me he's never listened to the lectures. Usually when Denver comes up in conversation, he blows him off.

[AI2.0]

I know Jake personally.

Don't get too caught up by his arrogant tone. He's not arrogant, but can come across that way. I think it has more to do with his presentation skills and personality than anything. I think it we could look past some of the tone of the presentations, the message can speak for itself. He feels called by God to do this. He has sacrificed much, including going without housing at time, to do this.

On Jake being in a cult near Idaho. Hogwash. I know there are a few people that have moved up there, including Jake, to attempt to live consecration. No one is leading them. It is all voluntary. I think it's a noble effort. Jake is about the last person I know who would be trying to get people to follow him. I don't necessarily agree with this Judaification of Mormonism, I think it's where your heart is, and if you can put Christ into Christmas, should work just as good as Yom Kippur.

On the Church leaders being in apostasy.

Well . . . let the scriptures and ideas he presents on that speak for themselves, and then go to the Lord on it.

I think the documentaries are worth watching, even if they can get a tad tedious.

Since you know him, can you tell us if Jake Hilton is familiar with Denver Snuffer and what he thinks of his teachings?

He knows about Denver, but he told me he's never listened to the lectures. Usually when Denver comes up in conversation, he blows him off.

Thanks for responding. Also, do you know if Jake is active in the LDS church?

[M249Gunner]

I watched the entire series and also the Leaving Babylon. At first I was skeptical (mostly because of his long hair, I know, judgmental) but I can honestly say I've learned a lot and I'm feeling the power of the scriptures in my life....and that can only be a good thing!

Heh heh...yes, you can't trust those long haired folks. Just kidding. My hair is longer than his. It makes my lovely wife happy.

[Matchmaker]

I've started watching some of his videos. Enjoyed them. I'm going to watch a few more. Thank you.

[Syn]

Jake Hamilton is a snake luller. PERIOD. He mixes truth with his own philosophies. In part 2, he talks about people making their own tent cities and commends them that they don't need the leadership of the church to make decisions. He relates them to Lehi and receiving prophecy. Lehi did not have the fulness of the gospel, prophets and apostles like we have today. We have prophets, seventy, and local authorities that guide and direct HIS church.

He systematically designed the videos to make you trust him and start believing his own teachings and misguided views on the gospel. He does not say to much that is completely crazy. Yet there is plenty of not-so-good stuff in there. But it's 8 hours long, this whole time is to build trust. Kind of like a salesman. The second video from the get go takes a very strange turn when he talks about a random person, in a random elders quorum, and makes it sound like" EVERYONE in the church is that way, just besides you, or us. WE are not like that." By this point, if you have watched all 9+ hours he is assuming that he has built his circle of trust and that he has become an "authority" to the people that watch him. Basically, he's using a mixture of sales tactics and trust building to sale his own opinions (extremely false) on church leadership and false doctrines.

TL;DR: OR Another way to look at it: From the get-go with his videos, I did not feel the spirit. I usually share interesting and spiritual things with my family. This is not one of those. Jake is systematically trying to lead people away from true beliefs. I do not recommend his videos or "teachings" to anyone.

[durangout]

I watched the entire series and also the Leaving Babylon. At first I was skeptical (mostly because of his long hair, I know, judgmental) but I can honestly say I've learned a lot and I'm feeling the power of the scriptures in my life....and that can only be a good thing!

Heh heh...yes, you can't trust those long haired folks. Just kidding. My hair is longer than his. It makes my lovely wife happy.

It's not the length of the hair; it's the CREEPY cut that bothers me.

Bottom line he is an apostate mingling scripture with the philosophies of men. The fruit of his message is to lead one in "strange paths".

[manton]

Jake Hamilton is a snake luller. PERIOD. He mixes truth with his own philosophies. In part 2, he talks about people making their own tent cities and commends them that they don't need the leadership of the church to make decisions. He relates them to Lehi and receiving prophecy. Lehi did not have the fulness of the gospel, prophets and apostles like we have today. We have prophets, seventy, and local authorities that guide and direct HIS church.

I'm not finding the specific part I think you're referring to, but I remember he said he talked to a modern day group that has started a tent city, and he asked them why they were there. If anything, he was mocking them because there was no command from the Lord nor the prophet that the people could answer.

This is the part of his video about tent cities, "Tent Cities & the Pattern of Scripture":
https://youtu.be/PCeDXJA9Rv8?t=1130

His main point is don't do anything unless you receive your own witness. He outlines the prevalent beliefs on tent cities and how they come about. He lists why it's preposterous for the Church to issue a "call-out" based on a member's "righteousness" because the church cannot look on the heart, the church can only look on the outward appearance. Scripturally, the Lord looks on the heart and calls out individually based on that. If the church does a callout, it has to be universal. He said even if the church does a call out, you need to pray and ask the Lord if you should go. Sounds like good counsel to me.

He makes good recommendations of the importance of doing spiritual self-audits and going to the Lord for everything.
I'm not propping him up as a leader to follow, but his message is one of repentance and turning directly to the Lord. I've watched all except part 3c, haven't made it through it yet. Maybe there'll be some surprises in 3c? It's just disappointing to read how some so quickly condemn the messenger.

I think the Lord tries to reach out to us in any way where we might listen, through different messengers. If we listen to the message and not worship/condemn the messenger, then we can make progress. The danger becomes, "what should I do? Let me check what Jake Hilton says about it?" or "What does Julie Rowe say about it?" etc. I see it as comparable to a convert that is still calling up the missionaries that taught them initially. Instead, they need to go to the Lord. Does the message convert us to the Lord, or convert us to the messenger?

Jake's presentation has been positive for me in identifying things I need to change to be more committed to the Lord. I'm active/valiant LDS, and his presentations albeit laborious and tiresome at times, have been uplifting.

[EmmaLee]

According to several different poster's comments that I've read recently (last month or so) in a couple of VERY pro-Denver Snuffer groups, Jake Hilton is, "firmly" in their "camp". FWIW

[SempiternalHarbinger]

According to several different poster's comments that I've read recently (last month or so) in a couple of VERY pro-Denver Snuffer groups, Jake Hilton is, "firmly" in their "camp". FWIW

Have you watched any of the videos EmmaLee? Any thoughts on the content? Jake and his wife seem like really good people who have clearly put a LOT of time into these presentations. But sticking to the content of the videos, there is little truth to be found.

[Todd]

Jake Hamilton is a snake luller. PERIOD. He mixes truth with his own philosophies. In part 2, he talks about people making their own tent cities and commends them that they don't need the leadership of the church to make decisions. He relates them to Lehi and receiving prophecy. Lehi did not have the fulness of the gospel, prophets and apostles like we have today. We have prophets, seventy, and local authorities that guide and direct HIS church.

He systematically designed the videos to make you trust him and start believing his own teachings and misguided views on the gospel. He does not say to much that is completely crazy. Yet there is plenty of not-so-good stuff in there. But it's 8 hours long, this whole time is to build trust. Kind of like a salesman. The second video from the get go takes a very strange turn when he talks about a random person, in a random elders quorum, and makes it sound like" EVERYONE in the church is that way, just besides you, or us. WE are not like that." By this point, if you have watched all 9+ hours he is assuming that he has built his circle of trust and that he has become an "authority" to the people that watch him. Basically, he's using a mixture of sales tactics and trust building to sale his own opinions (extremely false) on church leadership and false doctrines.

TL;DR: OR Another way to look at it: From the get-go with his videos, I did not feel the spirit. I usually share interesting and spiritual things with my family. This is not one of those. Jake is systematically trying to lead people away from true beliefs. I do not recommend his videos or "teachings" to anyone.

I watched parts of his video, but gave up because he's too long winded. As far as tent cities go, I thought he was making fun of those who believed in them. But, like I said, I found his presentation style long winded and a little cocky, so I skipped around a lot.

On another note, he can blow a mean shofar.

[EmmaLee]

Yes, I have. I liked some of his earlier stuff. Didn't watch his last video the entire way through. It was obvious he'd been Snufferized (interestingly, I came to this conclusion before I'd read any comments verifying this fact from other Snuffer followers). I imagine Jake and his wife are "good" people. Although, Christ didn't even consider himself "good" - He said none were good, but his Father (Mark 10:18). I tend to believe him.

[SempiternalHarbinger]

Yes, I have. I liked some of his earlier stuff. Didn't watch his last video the entire way through. It was obvious he'd been Snufferized (interestingly, I came to this conclusion before I'd read any comments verifying this fact from other Snuffer followers). I imagine Jake and his wife are "good" people. Although, Christ didn't even consider himself "good" - He said none were good, but his Father (Mark 10:18). I tend to believe him.

Fair enough Emma. I believe him as well. What do you mean Snufferized? Maybe we are watching different videos because I didn't see much if any of Jake's message ( The Time is Now ) being influenced by Denver Snuffer.

[EmmaLee]

I don't have the exact spot(s) in the video or his exact words handy, but as I watched, his loathing of all things having to do with the LDS Church became evident (in much the same way Snuffer started). It's what I don't understand about people who leave the Church - if what they've found to replace it with is so glorious and vastly better, just talk about that - forget the LDS Church, leave it alone. Persuade me without the jabs, innuendos, (usually) subtle, but often overt, stabs at all things LDS. If someone can't persuade me another thing is better than something else, without belittling/tearing down the 'something else', then no heart has been changed, no benefit has been achieved, in my opinion.

[creator]

I watched multiple hours of his videos (gave it a fair shot). Definitely a lot of similarities with DS. Far too repetitive and slow-paced for my liking. Didn't learn anything new. Stopped watching.