LDS Church pushes back at spurious claims of imminent apocalypse.
Posted: September 25th, 2015, 8:27 pm
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Thank you. I just made my first prophecy and it came true. Maybe a I should write a book.BTH&T wrote:The news report spun the story!
Church didn't use term "push back", just that it was not the Church's official position.
This is from the same story about the use in teaching from anything other than std works/church mat'ls.
The bulletin did not use the term spurious in relation to Julie Rowe's book, used "caution" instead.
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How do you spin Pres. Monson's message last September?
https://www.lds.org/ensign/2014/09/are- ... d?lang=eng" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
Indeed the new report did spin the story. The church's statement was just warning not to take members personal opinions as the church's official position. This has been the stance of the church forever. They didn't confirm or deny anything about impending tribulations.BTH&T wrote:The news report spun the story!
Church didn't use term "push back", just that it was not the Church's official position.
How do you spin Pres. Monson's message last September?
https://www.lds.org/ensign/2014/09/are- ... d?lang=eng" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
This is a wrongful report, and you have fallen for the media twisting things around.Alighieri wrote:The end is not yet but by and by.
http://kutv.com/news/local/lds-church-p ... apocalypse
You can't wait to see how people spin a story that was originally spun in the first place. I see.setyourselffree wrote:Can't wait to see how people spin this one.
Great talk, I remember it well. Totally buy in, loved it!Sunain wrote:Indeed the new report did spin the story. The church's statement was just warning not to take members personal opinions as the church's official position. This has been the stance of the church forever. They didn't confirm or deny anything about impending tribulations.BTH&T wrote:The news report spun the story!
Church didn't use term "push back", just that it was not the Church's official position.
How do you spin Pres. Monson's message last September?
https://www.lds.org/ensign/2014/09/are- ... d?lang=eng" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
How do you spin President Hinckley's message from October 2001 then too?
https://www.lds.org/general-conference/ ... e?lang=eng" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
You do know that "by and by" means soon, right?Alighieri wrote:The end is not yet but by and by.
Does any of this contradict what Rowe and others have said? Or does the encouragement to spiritually and temporally prepare agree with the advice from Rowe to prepare spiritually and temporally?The Church encourages our members to be spiritually and physically prepared for life's ups and downs. For many decades, Church leaders have counseled members that, where possible, they should gradually build a supply of food, water and financial resources to ensure they are self-reliant during disasters and the normal hardships that are part of life, including illness, injury or unemployment.
I wholeheartedly agree with this. The Church has consistently advised us to avoid debt, and I have a firm belief that I will be better off if the tribulations (even if they include a church gathering) happen if I have less food but avoided debt as opposed to running my credit cards to their limits buying food now. And yes, I know there are a bunch of people who have read Rowe's books who are rapidly buying out of fear, but that doesn't disprove anything she says.This teaching to be self-reliant has been accompanied by the counsel of Church leaders to avoid being caught up in extreme efforts to anticipate catastrophic events.
The issue here is that those of you who feel contempt for Rowe and her message seem to believe "do not reflect Church doctrine" is defined as "false." Last season, when the Seahawks won the NFC Championship, I said they would lose the Super Bowl. Did my saying it make it church doctrine? No. Was there any church doctrine that supported my statement? No. Did the Seahawks lose? Yes. Therefore was my statement both true and not official church doctrine? Yes.The writings and speculations of individual Church members, some of which have gained currency recently, should be considered as personal accounts or positions that do not reflect Church doctrine.
That is exactly what I was thinking only applying it to you!setyourselffree wrote:Can't wait to see how people spin this one.
I choose to listen to the Prophet's first and foremost over church PR.setyourselffree wrote:And Brianj, Catherine, zionminded, in 321.
At what point will you believe that the tribulations are imminent? Do you believe that they will happen at some point? Did Noah cry repentance for 120 years and preach to the people what was coming? And all of those people got tired of it and most likely exclaimed that it would never happen. That they had heard about it for so long that it was foolishness. And they mocked Noah and laughed at him. And he gave them one last chance before he shut the door to the ark. And suddenly the sky darkened and the rains began. Who looked foolish then? I guarantee we will see the same thing again. Sadly history will repeat itself.Robin Hood wrote:I think this is the beginning of the end....... for Julie Rowe.
And not before time.
I suspect in a year or two from now most people will have forgotten about her, she'll have a few quid in the bank, and someone else wil be flavour of the month for the itching ears brigade.
Catherine,Catherine wrote:At what point will you believe that the tribulations are imminent? Do you believe that they will happen at some point? Did Noah cry repentance for 120 years and preach to the people what was coming? And all of those people got tired of it and most likely exclaimed that it would never happen. That they had heard about it for so long that it was foolishness. And they mocked Noah and laughed at him. And he gave them one last chance before he shut the door to the ark. And suddenly the sky darkened and the rains began. Who looked foolish then? I guarantee we will see the same thing again. Sadly history will repeat itself.Robin Hood wrote:I think this is the beginning of the end....... for Julie Rowe.
And not before time.
I suspect in a year or two from now most people will have forgotten about her, she'll have a few quid in the bank, and someone else wil be flavour of the month for the itching ears brigade.
It can actually mean "after a while" or " soon "brianj wrote:You do know that "by and by" means soon, right?Alighieri wrote:The end is not yet but by and by.
Robinhood, you never respond to anything in a post that is obviously correct. Your only defense is the issue of money. You skirt every valid point.I just can't take you seriously anymore.Robin Hood wrote:Catherine,Catherine wrote:At what point will you believe that the tribulations are imminent? Do you believe that they will happen at some point? Did Noah cry repentance for 120 years and preach to the people what was coming? And all of those people got tired of it and most likely exclaimed that it would never happen. That they had heard about it for so long that it was foolishness. And they mocked Noah and laughed at him. And he gave them one last chance before he shut the door to the ark. And suddenly the sky darkened and the rains began. Who looked foolish then? I guarantee we will see the same thing again. Sadly history will repeat itself.Robin Hood wrote:I think this is the beginning of the end....... for Julie Rowe.
And not before time.
I suspect in a year or two from now most people will have forgotten about her, she'll have a few quid in the bank, and someone else wil be flavour of the month for the itching ears brigade.
The tribulations have already started and have been with us for some time. Just watch the news.
Have we seen earthquakes in diverse places? Tsunami's? Volcanic eruptions? Devastating wars? Plagues? Famine? Men's hearts failing them? People calling good bad and bad good? Distress? Rampant immorality? Greed? Pride? Violence...... the list goes on.
Will these thing intensify? According to the scriptures they will. Do we need Julie Rowe to tell us this and make herself fame and fortune in the process? No we don't. Remember, one of the signs of the times are false prophets.
Catherine wrote:Robinhood, you never respond to anything in a post that is obviously correct. You skirt every valid point. Your only defense is the issue of money. I just can't take you seriously anymore.Robin Hood wrote:Catherine,Catherine wrote:At what point will you believe that the tribulations are imminent? Do you believe that they will happen at some point? Did Noah cry repentance for 120 years and preach to the people what was coming? And all of those people got tired of it and most likely exclaimed that it would never happen. That they had heard about it for so long that it was foolishness. And they mocked Noah and laughed at him. And he gave them one last chance before he shut the door to the ark. And suddenly the sky darkened and the rains began. Who looked foolish then? I guarantee we will see the same thing again. Sadly history will repeat itself.Robin Hood wrote:I think this is the beginning of the end....... for Julie Rowe.
And not before time.
I suspect in a year or two from now most people will have forgotten about her, she'll have a few quid in the bank, and someone else wil be flavour of the month for the itching ears brigade.
The tribulations have already started and have been with us for some time. Just watch the news.
Have we seen earthquakes in diverse places? Tsunami's? Volcanic eruptions? Devastating wars? Plagues? Famine? Men's hearts failing them? People calling good bad and bad good? Distress? Rampant immorality? Greed? Pride? Violence...... the list goes on.
Will these thing intensify? According to the scriptures they will. Do we need Julie Rowe to tell us this and make herself fame and fortune in the process? No we don't. Remember, one of the signs of the times are false prophets.
The tribulations that are to come are will be horrific, not inconvenient and abhorrent.Robin Hood wrote: Catherine,
The tribulations have already started and have been with us for some time. Just watch the news.
Have we seen earthquakes in diverse places? Tsunami's? Volcanic eruptions? Devastating wars? Plagues? Famine? Men's hearts failing them? People calling good bad and bad good? Distress? Rampant immorality? Greed? Pride? Violence...... the list goes on.
Will these thing intensify? According to the scriptures they will. Do we need Julie Rowe to tell us this and make herself fame and fortune in the process? No we don't. Remember, one of the signs of the times are false prophets.