What is the ultimate destiny of the Holy Ghost?

[sixth seal]

During our Gospel Doctrine lesson today, the subject of the Holy Ghost was discussed. It was mentioned that when Jesus Christ was here on the earth during His ministry, the Holy Ghost was not on the earth. There was no need for him since Jesus Himself was there. This makes sense since one of the key missions of the Holy Ghost is to testify of the Savior (and the Father). If Christ is present, then no need for the Holy Ghost to fulfill that mission. So this got me thinking about the Millenium. Christ will reign personally on the earth for 1,000 years, so what will become of the Holy Ghost? Will he minister in spirit prison to the disobedient who are waiting for their resurrection? Or will he finally be born into mortality on the earth and receive a physical body? And if that is the case, what role will he play? After all, he is a member of the Godhead. What will be his ultimate destiny?

[LukeAir2008]

During our Gospel Doctrine lesson today, the subject of the Holy Ghost was discussed. It was mentioned that when Jesus Christ was here on the earth during His ministry, the Holy Ghost was not on the earth. There was no need for him since Jesus Himself was there. This makes sense since one of the key missions of the Holy Ghost is to testify of the Savior (and the Father). If Christ is present, then no need for the Holy Ghost to fulfill that mission. So this got me thinking about the Millenium. Christ will reign personally on the earth for 1,000 years, so what will become of the Holy Ghost? Will he minister in spirit prison to the disobedient who are waiting for their resurrection? Or will he finally be born into mortality on the earth and receive a physical body? And if that is the case, what role will he play? After all, he is a member of the Godhead. What will be his ultimate destiny?

The ultimate destiny of the Holy Ghost is to be resurrected with a glorified physical body. We have no information about his identity other than that he is an exalted Spirit and a member of the Godhead. It is possible that he has already experienced mortality and is simply serving in this capacity between mortality and resurrection. It is also possible that the Holy Ghost is a calling rather than a specific person. This would explain why we are given no information about his identity or role in the pre-existence etc. The speculation and possibilities are endless...

[iamse7en]

What LA said. Only thing I have to add is the famous quote by Joseph Smith:

The Holy Ghost is yet a spiritual body and is waiting to take to himself a body, as the Savior did or as god did or the gods before them took bodies (George Laub Journal, 16 June 1844).

Obviously, as Joseph Fielding Smith articulated, a spiritual body is not to be confused with a spirit body (as the Holy Ghost obviously already has). A spiritual body is a resurrected body, one where spirit flows in the veins, where spirit is the agent of life or quickening agent - as opposed to mortal bodies, where blood is the agent of life (or death, depending upon how you see it). Thus, a blood body is a mortal body; a spiritual body is a resurrected body. I am not sure about translated bodies. I presume it's speculation, but perhaps the seeds of death (blood) are halted - is there any doctrine that translated bodies have flowing spirit?

I've long wondered about why the Holy Ghost does not [yet] have a resurrected body. What is it about his office or function that requires him to not have a body? What is it about the spirit body that interacts with the light that fills the immensity of space differently that makes his office or function necessary? I presume it has much to do with the scales of progression, as I tried to articulate here.

[AshleyB]

This is an interesting topic and one I definitely dont know the answer to but to add some conjecture if I may... In the Palmoni scrolls it is mentioned what the Holy Ghost is... you can be the judge as to what you think.. I have no idea because its not something Ive studied a lot or prayed about as of yet.



The Progression Scroll
Eternal Progression, what a wonderful phrase, oh how crazy it would be to finally fully understand this. I've study an innumerable amount of hours on the subject, and I've come up with this I've posted it before, I just like saying it, you might have already read some of it.
It is first reasonable to say that this plan is a perfect plan in and that it cannot be improved upon, any alteration would make the plan imperfect. So it is the same eternal plan one after the other which purpose is to eternally progress from darkness into light. From lesser Intelligence into Greater Intelligence. From One Plan of Salvation to the next, Yes I'm saying that you have all been in previous plans of salvation, the egyptians say about 8 now. We are in the 8 recordable plan of salvation as a recognizable Intelligence. Second, before we were spiritually begotten by our Heavenly Father and Mother we were pure intelligence. D&C 93:23 29-30 in the beginning we were the spirit of truth, A profound statement, from this I push it as far as to say that in the beginning, we, you and I, were the Spirit of truth, or the Holy Ghost. We Aided the Holy Ghost in His calling!
Third, I'm sorry if this is pushing the envelope, Christ is doing only that which he saw the Father do before, lay down his life and take it up again. Christ had the power to do exactly that. God might have in a previous Plan of Salvation created an atonement, and Christ is doing only that which he saw his father do. Now how could Christ see God do something if he wasn't in the plan? Christ somehow must have been in the plan to see this witness it. If D&C 93 has any hold in this presumption, I go as far to say that Christ was the Holy Ghost of the last plan of Salvation. Furthermore the Holy Ghost as an intelligence cannot exist inside another intelligence. An intelligence can exist inside a Spirit body. and a Spirit Body can exist inside a Physical Body. The Holy Ghost as an intelligence is able to dwell inside us and speak intelligence to intelligence. When you die and pass through the thin vail, you will see loved ones, when you go to give them a hug you will not whoosh through them but will feel them. D&C 76:13 "Even those things which were from the beginning before the world was, which were ordained of the Father, through his Only Begotten Son, who [{(was)}] in the bosom of the Father, even from the beginning." The Holy Ghost dwells in the bosom of the Father.

Within this progression scale there are a few more levels:
God the Father - Council of God
Christ - Mortals - Morning stars
Holy Ghost - Intelligence
The Spirit of Christ - Lower intelligences
The Light of Christ - Lower Intelligences
Breath of Life - Kolob - Darkness (there are four levels just in this one)

All men are given the Light of Christ which is known as the free gift or the conscience of man. This is an intelligence or personal being through which god communicates his Will. So this intelligence is in fact the Will of God which tells our own Intelligence what god requires of us. This light of Christ Intelligence is like our own intelligence.
In Eph 2:1-5 God hath quickened the saint who were once dead in trespasses and sins. Even though they were, before baptism, dead in sins god hath quickened them together with Christ. This endowment of the Spirit of Christ occurs at the time of confirmation.
From darkness to light, to say that an intelligence is darkness is not to say that it is 100% dark, only that it has more darkness than light. The jump from Darkness to the Light of Christ is found in many scriptures but here are a couple. II Cor 4:6, and D&C 88:12-13. When we move up within levels of progression the other levels move up as well. Darkness to the Light of Christ, the Light of Christ to the Spirit of Christ, and the Spirit of Christ to the Holy Ghost,
Since Kolob is the first in government and last in time, it stands to reason that God the Father must me the First in Time and last in Government. This agrees with God's own Power, the Holy Ghost who is called the Head of Days in the Book of Enoch. (Enoch 46:1-2, and 48:2) Kolob seems to be the center of this creation. The light comes from the darkness, in the center of our galaxy is a Black hole... We progress from darkness to light! From one plan of Salvation to the next. So in the last plan of salvation we were all intelligences aiding the Holy Ghost in his calling. Before that we were the Spirit of Christ which is the Gift of the Holy Ghost at baptism. A personal Intelligence sealed within us. Before that we were The Light of Christ.
And before that we progressed through the four levels of Darkness... and before that we were varying degress of darkness to light always existing.
In Facsimile No2 Fig 7 this represents God sitting upon his throne, revealing through the heavens the grand keywords of the priesthood as also The Sign of the Holy Ghost unto abraham, in the form of a dove. The dove is the Holy Ghost offering his power to the Father at the beginning of the plan. The Dove is (was) Christ.

[Jason]

This is an interesting topic and one I definitely dont know the answer to but to add some conjecture if I may... In the Palmoni scrolls it is mentioned what the Holy Ghost is... you can be the judge as to what you think.. I have no idea because its not something Ive studied a lot or prayed about as of yet.



The Progression Scroll
Eternal Progression, what a wonderful phrase, oh how crazy it would be to finally fully understand this. I've study an innumerable amount of hours on the subject, and I've come up with this I've posted it before, I just like saying it, you might have already read some of it.
It is first reasonable to say that this plan is a perfect plan in and that it cannot be improved upon, any alteration would make the plan imperfect. So it is the same eternal plan one after the other which purpose is to eternally progress from darkness into light. From lesser Intelligence into Greater Intelligence. From One Plan of Salvation to the next, Yes I'm saying that you have all been in previous plans of salvation, the egyptians say about 8 now. We are in the 8 recordable plan of salvation as a recognizable Intelligence. Second, before we were spiritually begotten by our Heavenly Father and Mother we were pure intelligence. D&C 93:23 29-30 in the beginning we were the spirit of truth, A profound statement, from this I push it as far as to say that in the beginning, we, you and I, were the Spirit of truth, or the Holy Ghost. We Aided the Holy Ghost in His calling!
Third, I'm sorry if this is pushing the envelope, Christ is doing only that which he saw the Father do before, lay down his life and take it up again. Christ had the power to do exactly that. God might have in a previous Plan of Salvation created an atonement, and Christ is doing only that which he saw his father do. Now how could Christ see God do something if he wasn't in the plan? Christ somehow must have been in the plan to see this witness it. If D&C 93 has any hold in this presumption, I go as far to say that Christ was the Holy Ghost of the last plan of Salvation. Furthermore the Holy Ghost as an intelligence cannot exist inside another intelligence. An intelligence can exist inside a Spirit body. and a Spirit Body can exist inside a Physical Body. The Holy Ghost as an intelligence is able to dwell inside us and speak intelligence to intelligence. When you die and pass through the thin vail, you will see loved ones, when you go to give them a hug you will not whoosh through them but will feel them. D&C 76:13 "Even those things which were from the beginning before the world was, which were ordained of the Father, through his Only Begotten Son, who [{(was)}] in the bosom of the Father, even from the beginning." The Holy Ghost dwells in the bosom of the Father.

Within this progression scale there are a few more levels:
God the Father - Council of God
Christ - Mortals - Morning stars
Holy Ghost - Intelligence
The Spirit of Christ - Lower intelligences
The Light of Christ - Lower Intelligences
Breath of Life - Kolob - Darkness (there are four levels just in this one)

All men are given the Light of Christ which is known as the free gift or the conscience of man. This is an intelligence or personal being through which god communicates his Will. So this intelligence is in fact the Will of God which tells our own Intelligence what god requires of us. This light of Christ Intelligence is like our own intelligence.
In Eph 2:1-5 God hath quickened the saint who were once dead in trespasses and sins. Even though they were, before baptism, dead in sins god hath quickened them together with Christ. This endowment of the Spirit of Christ occurs at the time of confirmation.
From darkness to light, to say that an intelligence is darkness is not to say that it is 100% dark, only that it has more darkness than light. The jump from Darkness to the Light of Christ is found in many scriptures but here are a couple. II Cor 4:6, and D&C 88:12-13. When we move up within levels of progression the other levels move up as well. Darkness to the Light of Christ, the Light of Christ to the Spirit of Christ, and the Spirit of Christ to the Holy Ghost,
Since Kolob is the first in government and last in time, it stands to reason that God the Father must me the First in Time and last in Government. This agrees with God's own Power, the Holy Ghost who is called the Head of Days in the Book of Enoch. (Enoch 46:1-2, and 48:2) Kolob seems to be the center of this creation. The light comes from the darkness, in the center of our galaxy is a Black hole... We progress from darkness to light! From one plan of Salvation to the next. So in the last plan of salvation we were all intelligences aiding the Holy Ghost in his calling. Before that we were the Spirit of Christ which is the Gift of the Holy Ghost at baptism. A personal Intelligence sealed within us. Before that we were The Light of Christ.
And before that we progressed through the four levels of Darkness... and before that we were varying degress of darkness to light always existing.
In Facsimile No2 Fig 7 this represents God sitting upon his throne, revealing through the heavens the grand keywords of the priesthood as also The Sign of the Holy Ghost unto abraham, in the form of a dove. The dove is the Holy Ghost offering his power to the Father at the beginning of the plan. The Dove is (was) Christ.

Yeah that is an interesting one that really gets a person thinking. Here's a link to the scroll as well as several others that are related -
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[Rand]

I have always thought that the Holy Ghost will be the "Last Born". He will be the last human born in this eternity. There must be a last child. He will be it. Each couple will have one child, and that will wind down the human family, until the Holy Ghost is born to the last couple. As a God, he is already a Father, and at last He will be a Son.

[John Locke]

Can I suggest we move this topic to the "private area"?

Just a thought.

[sbsion]

"LF"......JS leads us to believe there are only two "members of the Godhead", implying that maybe a "third" is someting different than :-$ what we think.................could it be, your spirit is your "holy ghost", you are the third member, that you testify to yourself of the truths that you knew before, etc...etc.

[AshleyB]

"LF"......JS leads us to believe there are only two "members of the Godhead", implying that maybe a "third" is someting different than :-$ what we think.................could it be, your spirit is your "holy ghost", you are the third member, that you testify to yourself of the truths that you knew before, etc...etc.

Ok Im intrigued .. So this is a quote from JS? Can you provide some quotes or scriptures that might back up this idea?

And perhaps Jason is correct and this topic might be better suited for the private area....

[John Locke]

"LF"......JS leads us to believe there are only two "members of the Godhead", implying that maybe a "third" is someting different than :-$ what we think.................could it be, your spirit is your "holy ghost", you are the third member, that you testify to yourself of the truths that you knew before, etc...etc.

Ok Im intrigued .. So this is a quote from JS? Can you provide some quotes or scriptures that might back up this idea?

And perhaps Jason is correct and this topic might be better suited for the private area....

It was actually John that made that suggestion but ya

Really guys if we are going to get into this, it really should be moved, there is stuff that will end up being aired that i'd rather not show up on a search engine, or anywhere with out some sort of vetting....

[AshleyB]

Haha, yeah..oops.. I meant you John. I think at face value the topic seems basic enough but doesn't mean it will stay that way... So perhaps We should start the same topic in the Private area? That way all who want to discuss it privately can and those who dont, dont have to? I dont want to tell anyone else what to do but personally Id rather do it private.. what does everyone think?

[sbsion]

so...........why, what's so secret about discovering truths, what to hide your "pearls from swines"?............finally, to become embodied, experienced and manifested with all the principles of understanding RELATIVE to ones own nature.............that's it

[LukeAir2008]

I don't think we need to be discussing the Holy Ghost in secret. The world knows our belief in the corporeal nature of God and it therefore follows that we would expect the Holy Ghost to eventually be embodied also.

We need to keep the private area to a minimum otherwise it degrades the doctrines discussed there and also gives the impression that we ashamed of our doctrine, even mainstream doctrine, and are secretive about our beliefs.

[sbsion]

thot............could, did, when, where, how, the Holy Ghost have already been embodied...........atleast another one, at a different time, millions of time over the past eternity?

[AshleyB]

I guess it depends where the conversation goes... and the content. And for me Im not ashamed of any doctrine but I would say it falls more under the casting pearls before swine category yes...Or someone reading something before they are ready to learn and receive it. Those things can be stumbling blocks. That is the main reason why I thought it could be more fit for private conversation. Not necessarily because its sacred. But to each his own.. Thats just my take on it.

[John Locke]

The things that can be shared about the Holy Ghost are sacred and should not be talked about openly. This come not from me but from Elder Claudio Costa President of the Seventy....Who when I had this discussion with him told me that very thing. To each their own but I guess I wont participate in this discussion.

[sbsion]

thanks for your participation

[LukeAir2008]

The things that can be shared about the Holy Ghost are sacred and should not be talked about openly. This come not from me but from Elder Claudio Costa President of the Seventy....Who when I had this discussion with him told me that very thing. To each their own but I guess I wont participate in this discussion.

Maybe you should speak to Elder Costa and get him to ask Pres. Monson to remove the many articles and chapters in Church Manuals, Magazines and of course the Scriptures which speak about the Holy Ghost and His mission.

I think you might be getting confused here. I'm sure he meant the experiences people have with and the revelation and inspiration received from the Holy Ghost are sacred and should not be discussed openly.