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Trump Recognizes Jerusalem as Israel’s Capital

Postby Z2100 » Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:13 pm

Wow! Prophecy in action!

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/05/worl ... -move.html

What are your thoughts on this and what prophecies will this bring to pass?
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Re: Trump to Recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s Capital

Postby jonwymore » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:15 pm

My prediction is it will inflame tensions with Muslims across the middle East. They could band together in their anger and we could very well see a massive army march on Jerusalem.

We will see an uptick in Muslim on Christian violence for sure.

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Postby Silver » Tue Dec 05, 2017 9:23 pm

The modern Jews, in spite of all the knowledge of Christ that has spread throughout Israel and the world, will still ask:

What are these wounds in thine hands? (Zech 13:6)
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Re: Trump to Recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s Capital

Postby Sunain » Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:09 am

Trump kept his campaign promise. Netanyahu asked all the other countries of the world to also move their embassy's.

70 years since President Truman recognized the State of Israel.

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Re: Trump to Recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s Capital

Postby gardener4life » Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:46 am

Its in scriptures and quotes by modern day (since Joseph Smith) apostles that when the time of the gentiles is being fulfilled that Jewish state or the Jews will move into Jerusalem as their capital. This is truly being fulfilled right now.

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Re: Trump to Recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s Capital

Postby gclayjr » Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:08 am

What I find most interesting is the response by the Pope. He said
In Rome, Pope Francis prayed that Jerusalem’s status be preserved and needless conflict avoided.

“I cannot remain silent about my deep concern for the situation that has developed in recent days,” Francis said at his weekly general audience at the Vatican. “And at the same time, I wish to make a heartfelt appeal to ensure that everyone is committed to respecting the status quo of the city, in accordance with the relevant resolutions of the United Nations.”

“Jerusalem is a unique city,” he said, “sacred to Jews, Christians and Muslims, where the Holy Places for the respective religions are venerated, and it has a special vocation to peace.”

In especially strong language, the pope added, “I pray to the Lord that such identity be preserved and strengthened for the benefit of the Holy Land, the Middle East and the entire world, and that wisdom and prudence prevail, to avoid adding new elements of tension in a world already shaken and scarred by many cruel conflicts.”
I understand why world political leaders would for either pragmatic, or self serving reasons oppose recognizing Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, but the Pope is supposed to be the Vicar of Christ, the leader of the largest Christian CHurch in the world.

Has he completely abandoned the Bible... Jehovah?


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Postby endlessismyname » Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:16 am

I would be interested in seeing the quotes referred to from church leaders regarding this. Perhaps this thread is a good place to compile them?

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Re: Trump to Recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s Capital

Postby gkearney » Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:17 am

Don’t count your chicken just yet. First off Trump delayed the action by six months. Second, it’s going to take years to build an embassy there, embassy buildings are not simply office building and that is particularly true in Israel. So should Trump not be re-elected it could very well be the case that this decision could be reversed before it is ever implemented.

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Re: Trump to Recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s Capital

Postby kittycat51 » Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:01 am

Congress already stated the recognition back in 1995 with an overwhelming majority vote. Then NOTHING was done further. I don't understand the big deal though. Mostly everything in the Israeli government is run in Jerusalem. THEY know it over there as the capitol; whether the U.S. or anybody else states it's recognition of it doesn't change the fact. We are not the ones to make that decision of where the capitol is, so why are all of the extremists getting their panties in a twist?

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Re: Trump to Recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s Capital

Postby David13 » Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:06 am

kittycat51 wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:01 am
Congress already stated the recognition back in 1995 with an overwhelming majority vote. Then NOTHING was done further. I don't understand the big deal though. Mostly everything in the Israeli government is run in Jerusalem. THEY know it over there as the capitol; whether the U.S. or anybody else states it's recognition of it doesn't change the fact. We are not the ones to make that decision of where the capitol is, so why are all of the extremists getting their panties in a twist?

Response to George Clay: The pope is a traitor. Heard his comments about the need for the New World Order to take over the U.S.?


Quite true about the pope. He's a man of the devil.

The Arabs hate Jews. They want to kill or exterminate all of them. And that includes the ones in the US of A. Also the USA prevents them from killing and exterminating all of Israel. Thus more hatred against the US.
They are taught as babies to hate and try to kill any and all Jews.
The US recognizing the capitol of Israel is the big deal. The US doesn't move it. Just recognize it.
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Re: Trump to Recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s Capital

Postby Arenera » Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:16 am

How many jews in Jerusalem?
In 2011, the population numbered 801,000, of which Jews comprised 497,000 (62%), Muslims 281,000 (35%), Christians 14,000 (around 2%) and 9,000 (1%) were not classified by religion.

How many Muslims are there in the Middle East?
According to the Pew Research Center in 2010, there were 50 Muslim-majority countries. Around 62% of the world's Muslims live in the Asia-Pacific region (from Turkey to Indonesia), with over 1 billion adherents.

1,000,000,000 to 497,000.

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Re: Trump to Recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s Capital

Postby Robin Hood » Thu Dec 07, 2017 10:23 am

Personally I am pleased by this move by the US.
It will cause tension, but nearly everything does in that part of the world.
I think Trump has done the right thing.

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Re: Trump to Recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s Capital

Postby kittycat51 » Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:01 pm

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/12 ... s-muslims/

NEVER FORGET On Christmas Day 2016 Barack Obama Signed Over Judaism and Christendom’s Holiest Sites to Muslims

In May 2011 Barack Obama urged Israel to hand over half of Jerusalem, the Wailing Wall, The Temple Mount, Old Jerusalem, the tomb of Jesus Christ, and the Via Dolorosa to radical Islamic organizations.

The Via Dolorosa is a street within the Old City of Jerusalem, held to be the path that Jesus walked on the way to his crucifixion.

In December 2013, Barack Obama again urged Israel to hand over holiest sites of Christendom and Judaism to Islamist groups.

On Christmas Day 2016, in a final despicable act against Christians and Jews, Barack Obama effectively signed over Christendom’s and Judaism’s holiest sites to radical Muslim groups.

And…. The Christian and Jew-hating Obama administration HELPED WRITE the UN draft!

Barack Obama refused to veto a Security Council resolution condemning settlement construction in the West Bank and east Jerusalem. This resolution effectively turns over the Old City to Palestinian groups. The Palestinians are led by Hamas terrorists in Gaza and Fatah Islamists in the West Bank. Obama thought this was a good move.

Jewish leaders were very upset with the move.

And the holiest sites of Christendom, according to the UN and Obama, are no longer Israeli land.
Obama gave all of this away.

On Wednesday the Donald Trump administration is expected to declare Jerusalem the capital of Israel.

The US will move the embassy to Jerusalem.

Trump is going to right another wrong.
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Postby Arenera » Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:07 pm

kittycat51 wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:01 pm
http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2017/12 ... s-muslims/

NEVER FORGET On Christmas Day 2016 Barack Obama Signed Over Judaism and Christendom’s Holiest Sites to Muslims

In May 2011 Barack Obama urged Israel to hand over half of Jerusalem, the Wailing Wall, The Temple Mount, Old Jerusalem, the tomb of Jesus Christ, and the Via Dolorosa to radical Islamic organizations.

The Via Dolorosa is a street within the Old City of Jerusalem, held to be the path that Jesus walked on the way to his crucifixion.

In December 2013, Barack Obama again urged Israel to hand over holiest sites of Christendom and Judaism to Islamist groups.

On Christmas Day 2016, in a final despicable act against Christians and Jews, Barack Obama effectively signed over Christendom’s and Judaism’s holiest sites to radical Muslim groups.

And…. The Christian and Jew-hating Obama administration HELPED WRITE the UN draft!

Barack Obama refused to veto a Security Council resolution condemning settlement construction in the West Bank and east Jerusalem. This resolution effectively turns over the Old City to Palestinian groups. The Palestinians are led by Hamas terrorists in Gaza and Fatah Islamists in the West Bank. Obama thought this was a good move.

Jewish leaders were very upset with the move.

And the holiest sites of Christendom, according to the UN and Obama, are no longer Israeli land.
Obama gave all of this away.

On Wednesday the Donald Trump administration is expected to declare Jerusalem the capital of Israel.

The US will move the embassy to Jerusalem.

Trump is going to right another wrong.
We know how this all ends, right?

Two prophets are killed in Jerusalem. Most of the people are killed. Christ takes out all the invaders.

A few people left.
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Postby LDS Anarchist » Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:41 pm

Z2100 wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:13 pm
Wow! Prophecy in action!

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/05/worl ... -move.html

What are your thoughts on this and what prophecies will this bring to pass?
This will incite the world's Muslim population to anger and further violence, and the world's globalists will orchestrate and allow the countries that surround Israel to invade it after they've attacked it with a constant barrage of missiles, and despite President Trump sending Americans to help, Israel will be wiped off of the map in a matter of two mere weeks and its people will be scattered off the land. Thus, the State of Israel will cease to exist.

Is this the scenario people are expecting to happen? If and when this happens, will people still continue to say, "Prophecy in action!" Or will they finally realize that we are living in the Times of Types and Shadows and not the End Times?

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Postby GrandMasterB » Thu Dec 07, 2017 4:19 pm

gardener4life wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 1:46 am
Its in scriptures and quotes by modern day (since Joseph Smith) apostles that when the time of the gentiles is being fulfilled that Jewish state or the Jews will move into Jerusalem as their capital. This is truly being fulfilled right now.
Can you provide more information on this. A source or two would be nice. Thanks.
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Postby Jonesy » Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:40 pm

LDS Anarchist wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:41 pm
Z2100 wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:13 pm
Wow! Prophecy in action!

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/05/worl ... -move.html

What are your thoughts on this and what prophecies will this bring to pass?
This will incite the world's Muslim population to anger and further violence, and the world's globalists will orchestrate and allow the countries that surround Israel to invade it after they've attacked it with a constant barrage of missiles, and despite President Trump sending Americans to help, Israel will be wiped off of the map in a matter of two mere weeks and its people will be scattered off the land. Thus, the State of Israel will cease to exist.

Is this the scenario people are expecting to happen? If and when this happens, will people still continue to say, "Prophecy in action!" Or will they finally realize that we are living in the Times of Types and Shadows and not the End Times?
I think it’s safe to say we are now in the “last days”, as stated in D&C 1:4 (not to be confused with the “last day”); and it sounds like the last days began with Joseph Smith. I see that term on various scripture headings as well, which may be used as a blanket term meaning ‘all the last days until the Second Coming’. The End Times is used as the latter part of the latter days, beginning with tribulation.
Some sects of Christianity depict the end time as a period of tribulation that precedes the second coming of Christ, who will face the Antichrist along with his power structure and usher in the Kingdom of God.(Wikipedia)
You seem to be making a distinction of the last days, when most LDS think of it as having already started and probably conflate the two (which we should probably stop doing). I don’t know, I’m kind of shooting from the hip here.

Did you coin the phrase “Times of Types and Shadows”?

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Re: Trump to Recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s Capital

Postby David13 » Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:18 pm

LDS Anarchist wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:41 pm
Z2100 wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:13 pm
Wow! Prophecy in action!

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/05/worl ... -move.html

What are your thoughts on this and what prophecies will this bring to pass?
This will incite the world's Muslim population to anger and further violence, and the world's globalists will orchestrate and allow the countries that surround Israel to invade it after they've attacked it with a constant barrage of missiles, and despite President Trump sending Americans to help, Israel will be wiped off of the map in a matter of two mere weeks and its people will be scattered off the land. Thus, the State of Israel will cease to exist.

Is this the scenario people are expecting to happen? If and when this happens, will people still continue to say, "Prophecy in action!" Or will they finally realize that we are living in the Times of Types and Shadows and not the End Times?

Hey, where have I heard exactly that said before? Let me think, oh yes, 1947, 1949, 1967, 1973 and a few other years as well.
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Postby James-T-Prout » Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:58 pm

This is truly a special thing. The announcement by a US President for what the Jewish people have themselves wanted.

For Jerusalem to be their capital.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/netanyahu ... sh-people/
Netanyahu: Jerusalem ‘only ever the capital of the Jewish people
This quote is from 2015. And there are some much older quotes too.

As for prophecy fulfillment, this is indeed a nice one.

Remember, just 2 years ago all the Blood Moons and Super Blood Moon was supposed to be something specifically good for Israel. This very well may be it. A move to claim Jerusalem as their capital.

Many have said that the temple being built was the meaning of the recent Blood Moons, but that Temple won't be built for a while. Not until the Stout Horn/AntiChrist is on the scene.

So.....why not have a significant point of Jerusalem is starting to be recognized as Israel's capital. This may very well be the start of a chain of events that is good for the Jews.

As Val Brinkerhoff points out in his Book "The Seven Heavenly Witnesses", that each of the Blood Moon Series in the past 70ish years were good things for the Jews. Val postulated that the temple would be coming back. But, it very well may be the city of Jerusalem becoming the official capital once more.

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I did a review on Val's work here: https://www.lastdaystimeline.com/seven ... witnesses/

And it took a US President that was not an establishment President (Republican or Democrat) to start this ball rolling forth.

I did a presentation on this topic of "What the Scriptures Say about Donald Trump - How Long Will He Last?"

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See Presentation Here: https://www.lastdaystimeline.com/presen ... ras-eagle/

And this President is a very different President than we have ever had in my lifetime, and probably yours.

Checkout how long he lasts.
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Up-to-date information is found here "What the Scriptures Say About Donald Trump - How Long Will He Last?" http://www.LastDaysTimeline.com/donald-trump

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Postby LDS Anarchist » Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:04 pm

Jonesy wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 5:40 pm
Did you coin the phrase “Times of Types and Shadows”?
Yeah, I did. I suppose I ought to trademark it, huh? The Times of Types and Shadows*

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We've been living in the last days since the time of the primitive church and the apostles. The end times is the last days period that Nephi wrote about in 1 Nephi 13 and 14, and that John wrote about in Revelation 6 and onward. (Daniel also wrote about the end times in his book, and many of the prophets spoke prophecies that also occur during those days, too, of course.) Prior to the events in those chapters, things proceed as shadows and types.

So, for instance, we get all the hype about Israel, in which "prophecy is literally being fulfilled before our very eyes!" But it's just hype. Prophecy is not being literally fulfilled before out very eyes. But prophetic shadows are certainly occurring. The State of Israel over there on the land of Palestine is a shadow gathering, a type, (not the literal thing that is still yet to happen, which will actually fulfill the prophecies.) Back when I prophesied that the State of Israel would cease to exist, I didn't know it was a shadow gathering. I only could see that it wasn't the real gathering spoken of in the scriptures, so it seemed to me to be a false gathering and that's what I called it: a false gathering. It is technically correct to call it a false gathering, but it is more correct to call it a shadow gathering. I didn't know at the time anything about Elias's shadow and how it causes all things in the world to shadow the prophecies as best they can. So I called it false. But it's just a shadow, which will and must be removed to make way for the literal gathering. In other words, the State of Israel must cease to exist and all those inhabitants who call themselves Jews must be swept clear of the land, so that the prophecies can finally reset and then proceed literally.

It's the same with Trump's official U.S. recognition of Jerusalem as the Israeli State capital. That, too, is just a shadow. But as 2-dimensional shadows never are the 3-dimensional thing they are based on, they don't fulfill perfectly. So, people will get their hopes up, thinking, "This is it! This is the end!" And then Iran and Israel will start a war and Israel will be wiped off the map in two short weeks. And then all the Christians and the Mormons who incorrectly believed that these were the end times and this was a literal prophetic fulfillment, will either scratch their heads, throw up their hands and say, "I guess I don't know anything about how prophecy is supposed to work, but I trust in the Lord, anyway!" and continue believing, or they will say, "These prophecies I believed in are all false!" and then walk away from their faith.

It's like the Revelation 12 thing, with people pinning their hopes on a shadow, hoping that it will fulfill the scripture literally, and then when it doesn't, they are brought to a crisis of faith, because they didn't understand that what they were looking at was a mere 2-D shadow, not the real 3-D thing. So I call these times we are living in The Times of Types and Shadows because if a person has a proper understanding that everything we are seeing is a shadow, then they can't come to any crisis of faith for believing the "We're in the end times!" nonsense.

The end times begins with the Josephite, and he makes a miraculous announcement when he gets out of his box. Has he made any announcement? Nope. So, until that happens, everything is still a shadow and a type.

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Postby LDS Anarchist » Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:10 pm

David13 wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 7:18 pm
Hey, where have I heard exactly that said before? Let me think, oh yes, 1947, 1949, 1967, 1973 and a few other years as well.
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The Muslims aren't prophets. Heck, they can't even be prophets, considering that the spirit of prophecy is the testimony of Jesus, right? And yet, their words will be shown to be correct, nonetheless. Why? Because I ain't no Muslim, and I have the spirit of prophecy and the testimony of Jesus, and I say it's gonna happen.

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The True Torah Jews

Postby LDS Anarchist » Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:24 pm

The True Torah Jews are religious Jews. They believe in Judaism, not Zionism. Thus, they are not Zionists, or political Jews. They are against the State of Israel because they say God's hand is not in it, that the Jews are to remain scattered (the diaspora) among all the Gentile nations until God Himself, or an emissary God sends, gathers the Jews back to their homeland. To gather together to the land of Palestine without God's express command is against God's will, according to them. The diaspora (scattering) is divine, they say. These True Torah Jews know their scriptures inside and out. They totally see that the State of Israel is a Zionist agenda, not something God is doing. And so do I.

To learn more about why Zionism and the State of Israel is not the hand of God in operation, but the hand of man, go to their web site: True Torah Jews Web Site; or go to their Facebook page, True Torah Jews Facebook Page; or go to their Twitter Account: True Torah Jews Twitter Account.

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Re: Trump to Recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s Capital

Postby simpleton » Thu Dec 07, 2017 9:04 pm

The dedicatory prayer offered up on Sunday, October 24, 1941 by Orson Hyde one of the 12 apostles set apart for that purpose...

Prayer of Orson Hyde on the Mount of Olives
"O Thou! who art from everlasting to everlasting, eternally and unchangeably the same, even the God who rules in the heavens above, and controls the destinies of men on the earth, wilt Thou not condescend, through thine infinite goodness and royal favor, to listen to the prayer of Thy servant which he this day offers up unto Thee in the name of Thy holy child Jesus, upon this land, where the Son of Righteousness set in blood, and thine Anointed One expired.
"Be pleased, O Lord, to forgive all the follies, weaknesses, vanities, and sins of Thy servant, and strengthen him to resist all future temptations. Give him prudence and discernment that he may avoid the evil, and a heart to choose the good; give him fortitude to bear up under trying and adverse circumstances, and grace to endure all things for Thy name's sake, until the end shall come, when all the Saints shall rest in peace.
"Now, O Lord! Thy servant has been obedient to the heavenly vision which Thou gavest him in his native land; and under the shadow of Thine outstretched arm, he has safely arrived in this place to dedicate and consecrate this land unto Thee, for the gathering together of Judah's scattered remnants, according to the predictions of the holy Prophets -- for the building up of Jerusalem again after it has been trodden down by the Gentiles so long, and for rearing a Temple in honor of Thy name. Everlasting thanks be ascribed unto Thee, O Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that Thou hast preserved Thy servant from the dangers of the seas, and from the plague and pestilence which have caused the land to mourn. The violence of man has also been restrained, and Thy providential care by night and by day has been exercised over Thine unworthy servant. Accept, therefore, O Lord, the tribute of a grateful heart for all past favors, and be pleased to continue Thy kindness and mercy towards a needy worm of the dust.
"O Thou, Who didst covenant with Abraham, Thy friend, and who didst renew that covenant with Isaac, and confirm the same with Jacob with an oath, that Thou wouldst not only give them this land for an everlasting inheritance, but that Thou wouldst also remember their seed forever. Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob have long since closed their eyes in death, and made the grave their mansion. Their children are scattered and dispersed abroad among the nations of the Gentiles like sheep that have no shepherd, and are still looking forward for the fulfillment of those promises which Thou didst make concerning them; and even this land, which once poured forth nature's richest bounty, and flowed, as it were, with milk and honey, has, to a certain extent, been smitten with barrenness and sterility since it drank from murderous hands the blood of Him who never sinned.
"Grant, therefore, O Lord, in the name of Thy well-beloved Son, Jesus Christ, to remove the barrenness and sterility of this land, and let springs of living water break forth to water its thirsty soil. Let the vine and olive produce in their strength, and the fig-tree bloom and flourish. Let the land become abundantly fruitful when possessed by its rightful heirs; let it again flow with plenty to feed the returning prodigals who come home with a spirit of grace and supplication; upon it let the clouds distil virtue and richness, and let the fields smile with plenty. Let the flocks and the herds greatly increase and multiply upon the mountains and the hills; and let Thy great kindness conquer and subdue the unbelief of Thy people. Do Thou take from them their stony heart, and give them a heart of flesh; and may the Sun of Thy favor dispel the cold mists of darkness which have beclouded their atmosphere. Incline them to gather in upon this land according to Thy word. Let them come like clouds and like doves to their windows. Let the large ships of the nations bring them from the distant isles; and let kings become their nursing fathers, and queens with motherly fondness wipe the tear of sorrow from their eye.
"Thou, O Lord, did once move upon the heart of Cyrus to show favor unto Jerusalem and her children. Do Thou now also be pleased to inspire the hearts of kings and the powers of the earth to look with a friendly eye towards this place, and with a desire to see Thy righteous purposes executed in relation thereto. Let them know that it is Thy good pleasure to restore the kingdom unto Israel -- raise up Jerusalem as its capital, and constitute her people a distinct nation and government, with David Thy servant, even a descendant from the loins of ancient David to be their king.
"Let that nation or that people who shall take an active part in behalf of Abraham's children, and in the raising up of Jerusalem, find favor in Thy sight. Let not their enemies prevail against them, neither let pestilence or famine overcome them, but let the glory of Israel overshadow them, and the power of the Highest protect them; while that nation or kingdom that will not serve Thee in this glorious work must perish, according to Thy word --- Yea, those nations shall be utterly wasted.
"Though Thy servant is now far from his home, and from the land bedewed with his earliest tear, yet he remembers, O Lord, his friend: who are there, and family, whom for Thy sake he has left. Though poverty and privation be our earthly lot, yet ah! do Thou richly endow us with an inheritance where moth and rust do not corrupt, and where thieves do not break through and steal.
"The hands that have fed, clothed, or shown favor unto the family of Thy servant in his absence, or that shall hereafter do so, let them not lose their reward, but let a special blessing rest upon them, and in Thy kingdom let them have an inheritance when Thou shalt come to be glorified in this society.
"Do Thou also look with favor upon all those through whose liberality I have been enabled to come to this land; and in the day when Thou shalt reward all people according to their works, let these also not be passed by or forgotten, but in time let them be in readiness to enjoy the glory of those mansions which Jesus has gone to prepare. Particularly do Thou bless the stranger in Philadelphia, whom I never saw, but who sent me gold, with a request that I should pray for him in Jerusalem. Now, O Lord, let blessings come upon him from an unexpected quarter, and let his basket be filled, and his storehouse abound with plenty, and let not the good things of the earth be his only portion, but let him be found among those to whom it shall be said, `Thou hast been faithful over a few things, and I will make thee ruler over many.'
"O my Father in heaven! I now ask Thee in the name of Jesus to remember Zion, with all her Stakes, and with all her assemblies. She has been grievously afflicted and smitten; she has mourned; she has wept; her enemies have triumphed, and have said, `Ah, where is thy God?' Her Priests and Prophets have groaned in chains and fetters within the gloomy walls of prisons, while many were slain, and now sleep in the arms of death. How long, O Lord, shall iniquity triumph, and sin go unpunished?
"Do Thou arise in the majesty of Thy strength, and make bare Thine arm in behalf of Thy people. Redress their wrongs, and turn their sorrow into joy. Pour the spirit of light and knowledge, grace and wisdom, into the hearts of her Prophets, and clothe her Priests with salvation. Let light and knowledge march forth through the empire of darkness, and may the honest in heart flow to their standard, and join in the march to go forth to meet the Bridegroom.
"Let a peculiar blessing rest upon the Presidency of Thy Church, for at them are the arrows of the enemy directed. Be Thou to them a sun and a shield, their strong tower and hiding place; and in the time of distress or danger be Thou near to deliver. Also the quorum of the Twelve, do Thou be pleased to stand by them for Thou knowest the obstacles which they have to encounter, the temptations to which they are exposed, and the privations which they must suffer. Give us, [the Twelve] therefore, strength according to our day, and help us to bear a faithful testimony of Jesus and His Gospel, to finish with fidelity and honor the work which Thou hast given us to do, and then give us a place in Thy glorious kingdom. And let this blessing rest upon every faithful officer and member in Thy Church. And all the glory and honor will we ascribe unto God and the Lamb forever and ever. Amen."
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On the top of Mount Olives I erected a pile of stones as a witness according to ancient custom. On what was anciently called Mount Zion, [Moriah?] where the Temple stood, I erected another, and used the rod according to the prediction upon my head.
I have found many Jews who listened with intense interest. The idea of the Jews being restored to Palestine is gaining ground in Europe almost every day. Jerusalem is strongly fortified with many cannon upon its walls. The wall is ten feet thick on the sides that would be most exposed, and four or five feet where the descent from the wall is almost perpendicular. The number of inhabitants within the walls is about twenty thousand. About seven thousand of this number are Jews, the balance being mostly Turks and Armenians. Many of the Jews who are old go to this place to die, and many are coming from Europe into this eastern world. The great wheel is unquestionably in motion, and the word of the Almighty has declared that it shall roll.
I have not time to write particulars now, but suffice it to say that my mission has been quite as prosperous as I could expect.
I am now about to go on board a fine ship for Trieste, and from thence I intend to proceed to Regensburg and there publish our faith in the German language. There are those who are ready and willing to assist me.
I send you this letter by Captain Withers, an English gentleman, who goes direct to England, on board the Oriental steamer. He has come with me from Jerusalem. If I had money sufficient I should be almost tempted to take passage on board of her to England, but this I cannot do.
On receipt of this, I wish you to write to me immediately, and direct to Regensburg, on the Danube, Bayern, or Bavaria. If you know anything of my family tell me.
My best respects to yourself and your family, to Brothers Adams and Snow, and to all the Saints in England.
May grace, mercy and peace, from God our Father, and from the Lord Jesus Christ, rest upon you all from this time, henceforth and for ever. Amen. Your brother in Christ, ORSON HYDE.

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Re: The True Torah Jews

Postby David13 » Fri Dec 08, 2017 9:20 am

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Thu Dec 07, 2017 8:24 pm
The True Torah Jews are religious Jews. They believe in Judaism, not Zionism. Thus, they are not Zionists, or political Jews. They are against the State of Israel because they say God's hand is not in it, that the Jews are to remain scattered (the diaspora) among all the Gentile nations until God Himself, or an emissary God sends, gathers the Jews back to their homeland. To gather together to the land of Palestine without God's express command is against God's will, according to them. The diaspora (scattering) is divine, they say. These True Torah Jews know their scriptures inside and out. They totally see that the State of Israel is a Zionist agenda, not something God is doing. And so do I.

To learn more about why Zionism and the State of Israel is not the hand of God in operation, but the hand of man, go to their web site: True Torah Jews Web Site; or go to their Facebook page, True Torah Jews Facebook Page; or go to their Twitter Account: True Torah Jews Twitter Account.

Well, let's wait and see. Maybe we can have another 1967 again.
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Re: Trump to Recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s Capital

Postby Z2100 » Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:39 am

LDS Anarchist wrote:
Thu Dec 07, 2017 3:41 pm
Z2100 wrote:
Tue Dec 05, 2017 8:13 pm
Wow! Prophecy in action!

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/05/worl ... -move.html

What are your thoughts on this and what prophecies will this bring to pass?
This will incite the world's Muslim population to anger and further violence, and the world's globalists will orchestrate and allow the countries that surround Israel to invade it after they've attacked it with a constant barrage of missiles, and despite President Trump sending Americans to help, Israel will be wiped off of the map in a matter of two mere weeks and its people will be scattered off the land. Thus, the State of Israel will cease to exist.

Is this the scenario people are expecting to happen? If and when this happens, will people still continue to say, "Prophecy in action!" Or will they finally realize that we are living in the Times of Types and Shadows and not the End Times?
Well, when do you think the end days will begin?
We live in the 6920th year since the Fall of Man.

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Re: Trump to Recognize Jerusalem as Israel’s Capital

Postby LDS Anarchist » Fri Dec 08, 2017 7:01 pm

Z2100 wrote:
Fri Dec 08, 2017 10:39 am
Well, when do you think the end days will begin?
The instant the Josephite gets out of his box and makes his miraculous announcement, we'll all know that the Times of Types and Shadows has ceased. I have no idea when that will be, but I do know that he must be released prior to the end of the sixth thousand years. My best estimate of the day the sixth thousand years ends is 11 April 2033, so if that is correct, we've got a little more than 15 years left.

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Re: Trump Recognizes Jerusalem as Israel’s Capital

Postby Sunain » Sat Dec 09, 2017 8:12 am

UN rejects US recognition of Jerusalem as Israeli capital
The United States found itself isolated at a special United Nations Security Council meeting in its recognition of Jerusalem as the capital of Israel, a move that set off alarms about the risk of escalating conflict in the Middle East.

Eight of the 15 members of the UN Security Council, the organization the looks out for peace and security around the world, had called for an urgent meeting on Friday to analyze the decision taken by Washington, Efe news agency reported.

A sense of how isolated the United States had become was in the air due to the decision announced by President Donald Trump, who since his electoral campaign had expressed an obvious favouritism for Israel’s stance on the matter.

“The status of Jerusalem must be determined through negotiations between Israelis and Palestinians leading to a final status agreement,” the five European nations said in a statement at the end of the meeting.

Meanwhile, the US envoy to the United Nations, Nikki Haley, defended Trump’s announcement and took the occasion to slam the United Nations for what she believes is its “hostility” toward Israel.

Ms. Haley said that for many years, the United Nations “has outrageously been one of the world’s foremost centers of hostility towards Israel.”
I see this as further cementing the fact that the Jews will never give up their land ever again. The forces of the world will then try to take it from them ushering in the Second Coming of the Savior to the Jews.

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Re: Trump Recognizes Jerusalem as Israel’s Capital

Postby David13 » Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:07 pm

Actually, I think the US government by Congress recognized Jerusalem as Israels capitol 22 years ago. They just didn't move the embassy. So all Trump is doing in finally moving the embassy.
Isn't that correct?
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Re: Trump Recognizes Jerusalem as Israel’s Capital

Postby Z2100 » Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:32 pm

David13 wrote:
Sat Dec 09, 2017 1:07 pm
Actually, I think the US government by Congress recognized Jerusalem as Israels capitol 22 years ago. They just didn't move the embassy. So all Trump is doing in finally moving the embassy.
Isn't that correct?
dc
The gov. did recognize Jerusalem. And Trump is trying to move the embassy.
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