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I have been somewhat oblivious to a main source of all this Jewish banker conspiracy stuff, until I read something that had been previously mis-characterized. Now I have a much better understanding of the roots of this grand conspiracy. There are so many great quotes that it would be hard to pick the most important. I will pick one... but there are so many. You guys should cite this more often..
To what I reported to you at the last meeting I shall now add a detailed explanation of internal loans. Of foreign loans I shall say nothing more, because they have fed us with the national moneys of the GOYIM, but for our State there will be no foreigners, that is, nothing external.

2. We have taken advantage of the venality of administrators and slackness of rulers to get our moneys twice, thrice and more times over, by lending to the GOY governments moneys which were not at all needed by the States. Could anyone do the like in regard to us? .... Therefore, I shall only deal with the details of internal loans.

3. States announce that such a loan is to be concluded and open subscriptions for their own bills of exchange, that is, for their interest-bearing paper. That they may be within the reach of all the price is determined at from a hundred to a thousand; and a discount is made for the earliest subscribers. Next day by artificial means the price of them goes up, the alleged reason being that everyone is rushing to buy them. In a few days the treasury safes are, as they say, overflowing and there's more money than they can do with (why then take it?) The subscription, it is alleged, covers many times over the issue total of the loan; in this lies the whole stage effect - look you, they say, what confidence is shown in the government's bills of exchange.

4. But when the comedy is played out there emerges the fact that a debit and an exceedingly burdensome debit has been created. For the payment of interest it becomes necessary to have recourse to new loans, which do not swallow up but only add to the capital debt. And when this credit is exhausted it becomes necessary by new taxes to cover, not the loan, BUT ONLY THE INTEREST ON IT. These taxes are a debit employed to cover a debit .... (Hence THE CRY TO BALANCE THE BUDGET!)


You are right. We need to be on guard for this Jewish plot.

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This is good. It brings about so much understanding of that Jewish banker conspiracy you have been warning us bout. Another quote:
TYRANNY OF USURY

30. What also indeed is, in substance, a loan, especially a foreign loan? A loan is - an issue of government bills of exchange containing a percentage obligation commensurate to the sum of the loan capital. If the loan bears a charge of 5 per cent, then in twenty years the State vainly pays away in interest a sum equal to the loan borrowed, in forty years it is paying a double sum, in sixty - treble, and all the while the debt remains an unpaid debt.

31. From this calculation it is obvious that with any form of taxation per head the State is baling out the last coppers of the poor taxpayers in order to settle accounts with wealthy foreigners, from whom it has borrowed money instead of collecting these coppers for its own needs without the additional interest.

32. So long as loans were internal the GOYIM only shuffled their money from the pockets of the poor to those of the rich, but when we bought up the necessary persons in order to transfer loans into the external sphere, (Woodrow Wilson and F.D. Roosevelt) all the wealth of States flowed into our cash-boxes and all the GOYIM began to pay us the tribute of subjects.

33. If the superficiality of GOY kings on their thrones in regard to State affairs and the venality of ministers or the want of understanding of financial matters on the part of other ruling persons have made their countries debtors to our treasuries to amounts quite impossible to pay it has not been accomplished without, on our part, heavy expenditure of trouble and money.
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I could quote many other quotes that look so suspiciously like those quotes used by those who foment about Rothschilds, Banksers, and other Jewish banker conspiracies, but you can look it up yourselves if you wish. Those 2 quotes come from the The Protocols of the Elders of Zion. I knew this was a famous fraudulent forgery. It was used by people like Hitler, and is wildly popular in the Arab street today,. It is a favorite forgery of anti-Semites the world over.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Proto ... rs_of_Zion

I have heard of this disgusting document before, but I had mostly heard about how it accused Jews of using the blood of Christian Children for making the unleavened bread for passover. I always assumed that it was so over the top, that , only the most blatant and obvious anti-Semites would believe it.

I am now reading a biography of Raoul Wallenburg (Now there is a man to be hated by anti-Semites). It made some references to how this book was used by European anti-Semites to justify the execution of millions of Jews. I thought I might actually look it up and I was shocked to see just how straight down the line it was in reporting exactly what conspiracy theorist today report as fact in order to justify their anti-Semitic rants covered by some new words like Banksters, and Rothschild etc, but still the same old fraud.

I guess the more things change, the more they stay the same.

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Ah George. Forever attracted to the simple, facile answer.

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larsonb,
Ah George. Forever attracted to the simple, facile answer
I do find it curious how you people who like to use such words as "Bankster", are so quick to call us "Sheeple". If I understand correctly, your accusation of people like me being "Sheeple", is a word made up by Conspiracy folks to accuse us of blindly following the crowd like a herd of sheep, without questioning anything.

Yet, as is so often the case it is the accusers, rather than the accused who, seem to be guilty of this. I do question and cross check my sources. However, most of this conspiracy stuff comes from secret sources describing secret meetings that look suspiciously like "The Protocols of the Elders of Zion" a well recognized fake forgery that has been used by many of the worst actors in history to justify hatred and persecution of Jews. Yet the similarity of your SECRET meetings proclaiming the same basis for hatred for Jewish Banksters is not even questioned.. I guess that is the beauty of SECRETS .. they must be true, even if not proven because they are SECRET

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Ah George. Forever attracted to the simple, facile answer and/or exposition. Why even worry about such things? Just ignore them. That would be even more in keeping with your general approach to this topic.

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George, there you go again.
There are conspiracy theorists who do not hate Jews. Believe it or not.
And they may believe in some conspiracies, but not others. Believe it or not.
And they may believe in some conspiracies, but not in any Jewish Banker conspiracy. But you continue to fail to understand that.
Like larsenb posts, you just like your simple, one size fits all answers.
Isn't there some tv on or something that you would enjoy?
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larsenb, David13,

I do agree that not all conspiracy folks agree with every conspiracy, but you guys stick together enough that it is hard to tell. I don't see you rebuking such things as :


viewtopic.php?f=1&t=42085&p=703928&hili ... ld#p703928

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=32846&p=830747&hil ... er#p830747

viewtopic.php?f=19&t=43870&p=744805&hil ... er#p744805

I don't see you rebutting it. and larsonb


viewtopic.php?f=20&t=46471&p=805839&hil ... ld#p805839 ./

. oh yea this one is you. So where do you get off pretending you are not a conspiracy sheeple who accepts everything and that I am the one generalizing?


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gclayjr wrote: February 7th, 2018, 5:27 pm larsenb, David13,

I do agree that not all conspiracy folks agree with every conspiracy, but you guys stick together enough that it is hard to tell. I don't see you rebuking such things as :


viewtopic.php?f=1&t=42085&p=703928&hili ... ld#p703928

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=32846&p=830747&hil ... er#p830747

viewtopic.php?f=19&t=43870&p=744805&hil ... er#p744805

I don't see you rebutting it. and larsonb


viewtopic.php?f=20&t=46471&p=805839&hil ... ld#p805839 ./

. oh yea this one is you. So where do you get off pretending you are not a conspiracy sheeple who accepts everything and that I am the one generalizing?


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George!
Wrong again.
Not only do I not subscribe to the 4 threads you linked to, I had never even seen them. I will say one mentions the Islamatization of London. That is clearly happening. Now, I only read the titles of the 4 links, not any of the content. So I don't know if the one about London turning into a Moslim city has any other things in it, but clearly, with a Moslim mayor, they are going Islam in a big and fast way.
But as to the 4 titles of the links. No. I do not subscribe.
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gclayjr wrote: February 7th, 2018, 5:27 pm larsenb, David13,

I do agree that not all conspiracy folks agree with every conspiracy, but you guys stick together enough that it is hard to tell. I don't see you rebuking such things as :

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=42085&p=703928&hili ... ld#p703928
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=32846&p=830747&hil ... er#p830747
viewtopic.php?f=19&t=43870&p=744805&hil ... er#p744805
I don't see you rebutting it. and larsonb

viewtopic.php?f=20&t=46471&p=805839&hil ... ld#p805839 ./ . oh yea this one is you. So where do you get off pretending you are not a conspiracy sheeple who accepts everything and that I am the one generalizing?

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First of all, calling anyone "conspiracy sheeple", or even people, is off putting. More of your sweeping generalizations.

First link: azalea.rubicon makes an interesting point. Jesus came among those Jews He characterized as among the most wicked people in the world. But notice, all of his first converts were from the Jewish population, as well. The lesson: don't be so black-and-white in thinking that very evil people could not exist among the class, Jews . . . even in our own day. That doesn't mean that many, many non-Jews don't join them in the same type of wickedness. AND, above all, don't think that all Jews partake of the same wickedness. Do you get it????

Second link: I don't normally read many of msfree's posts, especially this mile-long one, so I don't know how it relates to your claims.

Third link: I normally discount anything written by Preston James, and think he's got some fundamentally wrong ideas. Therefore, I'm not going to spend any time analyzing or critiquing what he's written. One area I think he goes off track on is making a category that he calls Khazarian Jews, or the Khazarian mafia.

The last link is to one of my posts on Bella Dodd: doesn't seem to fit your critique at all. Maybe you can tell me how you think it does fit. The information I supplied comes from her autobiography, School of Darkness, of which, I have an autographed copy. My interest in her story, is partly due to my own relationship to one of her Communist leaders: Earl Browder.

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larsenb,
lundbaek wrote: ↑
Thu Sep 07, 2017 5:51 pm
I agree that "We should also think twice about how we choose to treat those whom the Lord has brought here, by His own hand (and, really, as the result of our own greed.)" Lehi prophesied that "there shall none come into this land save they shall be brought by he hand of the Lord." That's clear enough. Now consider carefully that many have come to America who have contributed greatly to its deterioration: for example: the Rothschild agents who financed both sides of the American Civil War, Paul Warburg, Leon Trotsky, Victor Perlo, Bella Dodd (who did repent in her later years), Henry Kissinger, and others whose names elude me at the moment, but who infiltrated into government, education, finance, and communication. (See PROPHETS, PRINCIPLES, AND NATIONAL SURVIVAL by Jerreld Newquist, Pages 222 & 316)

I is my conviction that much if not most of the illegal immigration into America has been fomented for the express purpose of making such a shambles of America in order to facilitate the establishment of a centralized socialist government and submission to regional and then world government. This has been especially apparent to me ever since President G.W. Bush took office and greatly facilitated illegal immigration.

I believe we are bound to accommodate those already here because it was due to our inattention to the machinations of the secret combinations working to destroy America. But I fully support the "wall" and any other means to restrict immigration into America to people who come here legally.
larsenb wrote
Just a minor correction ...
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gclayjr wrote: February 7th, 2018, 6:40 pm . . . .
larsenb wrote
Just a minor correction ...
Actually, my minor correction wasn't needed at all. I misread what Lundbaek had said, thinking he had implied that Bella Dodd had been born in America. In fact, I think none of those he mentioned had been born in America.

In Bella's case, though, she got caught up in being a social justice warrior in her late teens, early twenties, and didn't join the Communist Part until some time later.

But no, I don't have any problem with what Lundbaek wrote. What exactly is the problem you have with it? Just trying to understand your point of view.

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larsenb,
But no, I don't have any problem with what Lundbaek wrote. What exactly is the problem you have with it? Just trying to understand your point of view.
That is kind of the point of this thread. I have a problem with blaming all of the world's problems on the manipulations of Jewish bankers such as the Rothschilds. The point of this thread, is that once I read the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, I see a strong similarity in arguments of those sources cited by people trying to prove that the world is run by scheming Jewish Banksters, and the text of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion which has been proven a fraud, yet used by French anti Semites to falsely imprison, Alfred Dreyfus, or Hitler to kill millions of Jews, or Islamists to portray Jews as a hated people the world needs to be rid of.

And maybe one might want to consider if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and looks like a duck ... maybe it is a duck.

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The big problem I have with the Conspiracy Theories is the fact that it's the same kind of rhetoric that has been used to persecute, even to the point of mass killing, group after group of people. Dehumanization, the us vs. them mentality, is a lot of what I have seen over and over. There are truly proven conspiracies that happen, but there's also heavy fabrication and plenty of rhetoric to sell you something as well.

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gclayjr wrote: February 7th, 2018, 7:24 pm larsenb,
But no, I don't have any problem with what Lundbaek wrote. What exactly is the problem you have with it? Just trying to understand your point of view.
That is kind of the point of this thread. I have a problem with blaming all of the world's problems on the manipulations of Jewish bankers such as the Rothschilds. The point of this thread, is that once I read the Protocols of the Elders of Zion, I see a strong similarity in arguments of those sources cited by people trying to prove that the world is run by scheming Jewish Banksters, and the text of the Protocols of the Elders of Zion which has been proven a fraud, yet used by French anti Semites to falsely imprison, Alfred Dreyfus, or Hitler to kill millions of Jews, or Islamists to portray Jews as a hated people the world needs to be rid of.

And maybe one might want to consider if it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and looks like a duck ... maybe it is a duck.

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I was asking exactly what problem you had w/Lundbaeks post, not what your blanket condemnations are. We already know that.

Once again, its silly in my view, to think any comments about perfidy in the world that involve Jews, is a blanket condemnation of all Jews. Many Jews portray Muslims in the most hated fashion imaginable. Israel, right now, is engaged in deporting Ethiopians who went up to Jerusalem/Israel in aliyah, to Canada. Where is the 'racist' outcry over this?

I just see you using too many black-and-white assertions that simply misrepresent what you are trying to condemn.

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Benjamin_LK wrote: February 8th, 2018, 10:49 am The big problem I have with the Conspiracy Theories is the fact that it's the same kind of rhetoric that has been used to persecute, even to the point of mass killing, group after group of people. Dehumanization, the us vs. them mentality, is a lot of what I have seen over and over. There are truly proven conspiracies that happen, but there's also heavy fabrication and plenty of rhetoric to sell you something as well.
What I see is that you and George are somehow triggered by the term 'conspiracy theory'. A conspiracy theory is simply someone trying to theorize about a particular evil/illegal act or acts. There are bad theories and good ones.

Generally, anytime ANY reason is used to demonize an entire people, it is wrong and off base. Whether these reasons unjustly accuse them of secret criminal behavior ( i.e., a conspiracy) or not.

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larsonb,
Generally, anytime ANY reason is used to demonize an entire people, it is wrong and off base. Whether these reasons unjustly accuse them of secret criminal behavior ( i.e., a conspiracy) or not.
You mean like the whole Rothschild family throughout history or Jewish bankers?

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gclayjr wrote: February 8th, 2018, 1:27 pm larsonb,
Generally, anytime ANY reason is used to demonize an entire people, it is wrong and off base. Whether these reasons unjustly accuse them of secret criminal behavior ( i.e., a conspiracy) or not.
You mean like the whole Rothschild family throughout history or Jewish bankers?

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You'll have to explain that one, George. You seem to have an extreme sensitivity to the term conspiracy. I guess it's something you'll just have to live with.

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larsonb,
You'll have to explain that one, George. You seem to have an extreme sensitivity to the term conspiracy. I guess it's something you'll just have to live with.
Are you really that uniformed or are you gaming me ?
For example: the Rothschild agents who financed both sides of the American Civil War, Paul Warburg, Leon Trotsky, Victor Perlo, Bella Dodd (who did repent in her later years), Henry Kissinger, and others whose names elude me at the moment, but who infiltrated into government, education, finance,
I can't believe you haven't read (and really agree with) all of the conspiracy documentation out there about how all of the wars in Europe are really schemes by the Rothschilds and other Jewish bankers to gain power and money. How over time they have convinced the kings of various countries to go to war against each other with their funding so that they may get richer and more powerful., just like you seem to agree they did in America for the American Civil war? Don't tell me you don't know that all of the fiat money in the world is really a result of the schemes of Rothschilds and other Jewish bankers throughout history to control the world?

Please. If you want, I will put all of this stuff in front of you, but I know you really already know all of this and I don't understand why you are pretending to be ignorant!

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gclayjr wrote: February 8th, 2018, 2:16 pm larsonb,
You'll have to explain that one, George. You seem to have an extreme sensitivity to the term conspiracy. I guess it's something you'll just have to live with.
Are you really that uniformed or are you gaming me ?
For example: the Rothschild agents who financed both sides of the American Civil War, Paul Warburg, Leon Trotsky, Victor Perlo, Bella Dodd (who did repent in her later years), Henry Kissinger, and others whose names elude me at the moment, but who infiltrated into government, education, finance,
I can't believe you haven't read (and really agree with) all of the conspiracy documentation out there about how all of the wars in Europe are really schemes by the Rothschilds and other Jewish bankers to gain power and money. How over time they have convinced the kings of various countries to go to war against each other with their funding so that they may get richer and more powerful., just like you seem to agree they did in America for the American Civil war? Don't tell me you don't know that all of the fiat money in the world is really a result of the schemes of Rothschilds and other Jewish bankers throughout history to control the world?

Please. If you want, I will put all of this stuff in front of you, but I know you really already know all of this and I don't understand why you are pretending to be ignorant!

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I'm not pretending to be ignorant of anything. Nor am I gaming you (what a waste of time that would be). Nor do I care to get into having words put in my mouth or accused of this or that. Your style is too accusatory and black-and-white, and you seem to be addicted to vast generalizations. It just isn't worth my effort. Plus your mind is already made up regarding the propositions you seem to hold close to your chest. Your welcome to this style and attitude. I just don't want any part of it.

I.e., as far as it concerns me, you'll just have to live with your obsessive sensitivity to terms containing the word 'conspiracy', as well as the word itself.

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larsonb,
I'm afraid Protocols may be genuine


They are lectures addressed to Jewish Luciferians (Illuminati, Freemasons) detailing an incredible plan to overthrow western civilization, subjugate mankind, and concentrate,

"all the wealth of the world... in our hands."

The book, typical of similar Illuminati documents, was leaked to the Czarist Secret police and published in Russia in 1905.



The issue of anti Semitism diverts attention from this plot which has been unfolding for over 200 years and is behind world government, September 11, Iraq, Homeland Security and the bogus "War on Terror." FAIT ACCOMPLI.



The plotters control the world's wealth.



Their multinational corporations have Freemason symbols for logos. Shell and Citibank have the rising sun; Exxon the double cross, CBS and Time Warner the eye of Horus; Alcan and AOL, the circle in the triangle. The mass media, education and politics all create an illusion of democracy in order to control and defraud humanity.



The Great Seal of the United States reflects the unhappy truth. It is also a Freemason symbol and bears the inscription "We have achieved New World Order." Almost all American Presidents including George W. Bush are freemasons or Illuminati.

Israel's Star of David (interlaced triangles) is the Masonic symbol for the double divinity, Adonai and Lucifer.



The issue of anti Semitism is irrelevant because Jewish and non-Jewish Luciferians have intermarried. (See Milan Martin, Lucifer's Children p.74) The elite now consists of humanity-haters of all stripes. No wonder corruption is endemic. As the Greeks say, the fish rots from the head.



ROTHSCHILD Meyer Amschel Rothschild (1744-1812) played a key role in advancing this monstrous conspiracy.



He was a follower of the occult Cabbalism (or Lucifer worship) that is the basis of Illuminism and Freemasonry. (See Albert Pike, Morals and Dogma of the Ancient and Accepted Scottish Rite of Freemasonry)

Researchers have speculated that Adam Weishaupt or Asher Ginzberg penned Protocols.



I think it may have been Rothschild himself. I came to this conclusion after reading Protocols 20-23, the "financial program... the crowning and the decisive point of our plans." These lectures require considerable knowledge of banking and finance.



Moreover the author states that all power ultimately will reside in the "King of the Jews," which is how Rothschild was known.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/socio ... zion11.htm

There is lots more, you don't have to look very far.

And by the way...
Your style is too accusatory and black-and-white
Yes, it is pretty black and white... and these writings are pretty black...Evil !!!!



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Speaking of not having to look too far...

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=42085&p=704362&hilit=wicked#p704362

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George,

Throwing up a clearly discredited document like the Protocols and therefore declaring the banking conspiracy as clearly disproven is really quite a leap. Why not tackle "Tragedy and Hope" or "Proofs of a Conspiracy" - show how those are discredited falsified information and then you might be worth listening to.

If Tragedy and Hope is too big of a tome for you to tackle, maybe Cleon Skousen's condensed version "The Naked Capitalist"? if you are up to it?

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I read Cleon Skousen's Naked capitalist many years ago. This is classically the problem with you conspiracy folks. You guys make ridiculous assertions, then ask one to read a book like this one as if it supports your ridiculous assertions. While Mr. Skousen does talk about bankers manipulating things to their own advantage, and he does mention a specific Rothschild or 2, he clearly does not blame this on Rothschilds, Jewish Bankers, the Illuminati, or Masons.

If you guys limited yourselves to rational arguments such as Mr. Skousen makes, I would have no problem. The problem is that you take a seed from his arguments, and explode it into an evil multi-generational grand conspiracy of Jewish bankers, illuminatit, masons and whatever secret cabal you want to invent.

That is the problem. This not only discredits innocent people, but is evil. In your fever to tarnish one group of "secret" conspirators or another, you not only wash blame away from the many people from many walks of life who do bad things out of selfishness, lust for power or other human weaknesses, but you create a hated group to blame, which is not justified, and creates opportunities for targeting hate.

and that is both irrational, and dangerous.

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Come on guys. George is right. The Federal Reserve is totally above board. This rapid market downturn where they started liquidating money at a faster rate than they said they would is the exception that proves the rule.

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